₦airaland Forum

okeyglm:
world trade center Abuja is 24 storeys. it cost $1 billion to build.

Taipei 101 cost $1.8 billion (first picture). The world's tallest building is Burj Khalifa, which cost $1.5 billion to build (second picture).

WTC Abuja is not even 1/10th as tall as these buildings. So why should it cost half the price?

rossniti:
Does the whole of America look like New York City?

Even a small city in the U.S looks more developed than Lagos.

Bragalane:
Do skyscrapers really cost 200 billion ?
Let say 10 - 15 storeys, I build house n sell n had my sight on accomplishing that but I am yet to even dream of 200 billion talk less of loan owning or borrowing it.

Skyscrapers cost $1 million per storey. So 15 stories should cost around $15 million, which is 5.6 billion naira. Since this is Nigeria, double the cost to 11 billion naira.

If you want to spend 200 billion naira, that would be over 100 stories.

generationz:
Don'tt be surprised that some people might have thought about the idea and brought it up. But the demons in government will insist you bribe them first before any development can take place.

A bribe won't stop a serious investor. We love to make excuses.

RedPanthar:
I've come across the masterplan a cross section of the Eko Atlantic masterplan and it's a masterclass. It's worth waiting for and would be a thing of pride to the SW. I congratulate you guys in advance

Eko Atlantic truly is a masterpiece. Take a look at the progress so far. It's actually progressed further than what is shown in the video. Azuri is complete (except for cladding) work has started on A & A and La Definition. And they now conduct boat tours in the canal. God bless Chagoury Group for bringing this to lagos.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvuuVxmsbW0

RedPanthar:
The yoruba " oduduwa " as a region has many battles left and right and is distracted by the seemingly much battles to pay keen attention on outlining developmental fears


Till now, there's fear in Oduduwa about foreign people being prosperous in Oduduwa. Now, this fear stagnates forward thinking progress

The morbid fear that others will come take over.

The Marina and the likes needs high volume companies like oil and gas baking and telecom to push it up


The honest truth is Lagos, Marina and the entire SW needs more than raw/pure SW power to be able to push it up and this ought to be on the table. Sadly, Nigeria hasn't moved beyond ethnic reasoning

Yea, I've been eagerly awaiting when Dangote builds his headquarters (he has the cash to build something truly spectacular). Total ENP is also planning a building called "La Definition" in Eko Atlantic to house its employees. Facebook is planning its HQ in Ikoyi I think, but it hasn't been announced yet. Folorunsho's Famfa oil is also building in Ikoyi.

Some of the indigenous oil companies such as Amni Oil have decided to go to Eko Atlantic instead of Marina. Here is the prototype of their tower. It is right next to Alpha 1. Construction expected to start in 2021.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n82SYdaj_8

RedPanthar:
Africans, rather than brain storm ways to improve and how to. They are busying fighting themselves one against the other. Igbos can't do thus, yoruba that. Hausas the other

I won't kill myself over Nigeria lai lai

I agree. We are failing on so many fronts. If not for the Lebanese in Lagos, the city would be a village. Lekki, Banana Island, Eko Atlantic where all developed by Lebanese investors -- specifically Chagoury Group while we just sit and bicker amongst ourselves.

Abandoned buildings in Marina:

LASACO Assurance building, Financial Trust House, Nicon House, Conoil House, Energy Global Tower, Afribank Plaza, UAC building, Unity Trust, Nigerian Post Office and so on.


But we have a housing shortage are we too stupid to convert these structures into housing? What is wrong with Nigerians.

RedPanthar:
You're right. I get your point


Let's delve into civil engineering and architecture and discuss from engineering perspective



Modern architecture advocates more space by creating pretty large buildings. Something Asians like Chinese and Japanese learnt timely from Western countries necessitating the design and landscape use of new locations like UAE


It wasn't too long in history technological innovation behind sky scrappers became

Mark the word " affordably available "



To Build a sky scrapper like Oriental back in the ages would gulp 200 times the cost of doing so in its original version which even recently at foundational. Level of Oriental would cost billions


To Build Oriental just to its foundation would gulp billions ad I'm not saying 10 billion. Now, how many Nigerian businesses and brand or foreign brands were willing to experiment spending billions on skyscrapers when they could easily rent space in available ones. Take a look at Savannah bank building and the likes that has been under construction for years


The high construction cost back the of buildings in Marina jerked up rental costs which ultimately pushed business costs


Cities like Dubai and UAE were built at a time, Mark the word from my in depth research on sky scrapper were built on what technology has watered down to become extremely cheaper, providing more readily available technocrats and experts unlike limited experts of the past


What I'm trying to say is building mega cities in the past was extremely expensive. Building it in the present like in UAE is extremely cheap now. Hence it's cheaper to build a new Marina now, than it was or than to refurbish.

I don't like this culture of always starting over instead of finishing what we started. First, we abandon Marina for Lekki, then we abandon Lekki for Ikoyi and Banana Island. Now, we are abandoning Banana Island for Eko Atlantic. It is better to build up one place to world class standards before starting over somewhere else.

Christistruth00:
Be honest with yourself Marina ran out of Space since the 1980s.

You don't understand real estate. Marina is full of space, we are just wasting it. Even in the picture above, you can see many short wasteful buildings. In a white country, buildings like that would have been demolished to make way for skyscrapers. That is why cities like Dubai and New York are so tall. They build taller buildings to CREATE more space.

Us Africans are very stagnant people. Even with the astronomical rents on Victoria Island, most of the buildings are still 1 --5 stories. Why shouldn't rent be astronomical in a city of 20 million people with tiny buildings? Weep for Nigeria.

RedPanthar:
My parents met themselves in Marina. Passed through or visited Marina for over 25 years. I'm providing answers based on reality


One can't go to marina or return from the mainland without spending hours on such trips. Life happened to Marina. Marina that used to be the next name after God is hardly known or acknowledged by the new generation

You are making excuses brother. If that is the reason Marina failed, then why are people building up area's like Lekki, Ikoyi and Eko Atlantic that are even further away from the mainland? If traffic was the issue, the solution would be to build more density (residential skyscrapers) at Marina so people won't have to commute to work. But Marina is full of abandoned buildings that haven't been converted into apartments and outside of the core business district in Victoria island, the area is almost like a slum.. full of short low density buildings renting for an astronomical amount.

seanfer:
Anytime I pass Savannah bank building, I always wonder why that building is just wasting.

It's senseless. With how high rents are in Lagos, why wouldn't someone just renovate the building and make some nice apartments that could easily rent for $2,000 to $6,000 a month? We like to blame government for everything, but reality Nigerians aren't thinking. We are just stangant people. If not for the lebanese, I doubt lagos would look much different from Ibadan in terms of a skyline.

RedPanthar:
Excessive holdup

Diversified business activity centers

The competition got better. I.e Computer Village

Modern business activities can be done from home and not necessarily an office

Cloud-productivity has completely phased out office structure systems

Why didn't these factors stop Dubai's skyline from growing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVvVG_hm4XI

If you go to 3:27, it will move you to tears. Nigeria hasn't changed in over 40 years. Same president. And Marina looks exactly the same as when my dad was my age! In fact, they were even planning to build a light rail in the late 80s and it is still not complete.

Marina district used to be the heart of Lagos, and still hosts the city's most iconic towers. However, there is a stunning lack of investment in Marina compared to other areas such as Lekki, Ikeja, and Eko Atlantic. In fact, many of the iconic buildings are laying abandoned with no attempt at renovation or rehabilitation.

Marina is strategically located in between near the mainland and near many of the banking headquarters, so why is this distinct being so heavily neglected by property developers who haven't build any skyscraper here since the late 80s?

LukasPodolski:
in Jesus name, AMEN!!!!!!

If you are truly a christian (or any religion) you wouldn't be using the lord's name in vain like that. Sorry if I insulted you, but we don't have to bring God into this.

All over West Africa Fulani are seen as bandits and Gypsies. But among the Hausa and Yoruba, they are gods.

The Hausa man can't even farm his land without being slaughtered by Fulani bandits, but he thinks the Igbo man is his enemy.

LukasPodolski:
then if you want to break away start the process away and leave the Yorubas out of.

you can always break away without the Yorubas, or is your breakthrough tied to the Yorubas ?

go for it, we have no problem with that, and we are no UN that grant new countries autonomy.

these are the three simple steps to gain Independence.

step 1 : organise a referendum (which am sure the Yorubas have no say about this)

step 2 : forward a petition to UN and the 6 world powers of America, UK, Russia, China, France and Germany shall certify your Independence, none of these country must vote against you (which am also sure the Yorubas have no say about this)

step 3 : majority of the 193 UN member states must support your new country (which am also sure the Yorubas have no say about this)


can you see, the Yorubas are not an obstacle to your struggle, we are different in all ramifications, SW is different from SS and SE stop lumping us together... count us out your useless southern unity.

and stop crying more than the bereaved, if the Fulani herdmens even enter Lagos State house, Alausa, how is that your problem.

why are you obsessed with us? why?

leave us alone.

I doubt you are even Yoruba. The Yoruba I know in real life are proud and respectable people, not slave-like Fulani butt kissers. You must be a Hausa man pretending to be Yoruba. Proudly welcoming Fulani bandits into his land. Thunder fire this animal.

LukasPodolski:
"Ordinary Christian countries like Ghana and Ethiopia are seeing their development indices soar"

why are you folks from SS/SE so daft, why is everything tied to religion in your good for nothing region.... it sad that these never do well people thinks they are flagship just because of their type of faith..
I have never seen this kind of stupidity in my life, we all came to this world without a religion, Religion is a personal faith and should always be one, a personal faith.
everything about these degenerates is about religion, isn't this laughable?

U.S.A became the most powerful country today not because of the principle of any religion.

China became a tech and innovation giant today not because of their Buddhism

United Arab Emirates became a model country today not because of Islam.

and the list goes on.

we can always remove religion from governance, the Western countries didn't lay their foundation on religion..

SS can be a model region with the fat allocation you lots receives every month, including NDDC.

these fools places high premium on Christianity, what short of backwardness is this?

they call themselves Christian faithful, but that does not stop them from Feasting on human being in Akwa ibom and Calabar, baby factory, millitancy, Jungle justice, Killing innocent kids on the account of Witchcraft etcetera

and who told you Ethiopia is a great country?



Ethiopia Fact 1: 2nd Largest Population in Africa With 105 million people in 2017 and an estimated 109 million in 2019, Ethiopia is also one of the most highly populated countries in Africa, second behind Nigeria. In the western world, Ethiopia is often viewed as emblematic of poverty

Ghana??


let me tell you something, If you folks want to make your Region a sacrificial lamb for the break up of Nigeria, then fine, you can lead jobless youths to destroy port Harcourt and other major cities in your region, start burning the public properties, burn down the whole SS, fine
we deeply regret the little damages that happened in SW during the useless EndSARS protest.


Ethiopia is not even a Christian country, almost 40% of the populace practice Islam.

baba say Ghana and Ethiopia are soaring, ode.

The poverty rate in Ethiopia has fallen to just 24% (Ghana is at 23%) while ours is 40%. 20 years ago, Ethiopia's poverty rate was around 90%. We are moving backwards while the rest of Africa is moving forwards.

LukasPodolski:
Nigeria is currently not in a good state, obviously.

was endSARS also a duel between North and South? I thought the protest was about ending SARS brutality in NIGERIA, the protest which started very well, but later hijacked to destabilize Yorubaland, was the bigger part of the protest not in Yorubaland? listen, most of us has seen through the protest, it's something we would never pray/wish to happen again.
the damages (not property per say) is what I don't know how we would correct at the moment.

can their be a massacre without dead bodies, blood and other physical proofs of casualties?

see, I was a stunt supporter of endSARS but the later development of the protest is what I do not support..

and once again, don't make the ENDsars protest a South vs North thingy, it would further validate what most of us think about the later development.

Well, the unaccountable leadership is only part of the problem. Nigeria is now the third most terrorized country on the planet Our life expectancy is lower than Somalia, and we are the poverty capital of the world. We also lead in the highest number of children out of school. Meanwhile ordinary Christian nations like Ghana and Ethiopia are seeing their development indices soar.

Do these statistics represent your nation or your culture? Because they don't represent mine.

Northern and Southern Nigeria are already two different countries, and the situation is getting worse. Slowly, they are infiltrating us and we are becoming like them. Fulani herdsmen have already started attacking in Ibadan and will soon penetrate to lekki and Lagos State itself. If the SW is so shortsighted that you would rather stay in bed with this drowning man called the North, I won't argue with you.

This mockery of a country will collapse one way or the other.

BastardWike:
You end up filling an entire page with gibberish. You this ignorant little boy, how many times will they educate you that Igbos are indigenous to both the SE and SS? So, because some abo.ki soldiers created states and arbitrarily called some areas SE and SS now means Igbos in the Niger Delta will stop being Igbos or identify with their kids? Egbema village in Imo State was divided into two; one part remains in Imo State while the other part is in Rivers State. Same thing happened in Abia State where Asa/Ndoki areas were carved into Rivers State among others. I know it pains you that SE and SS is united while leaving you in the cold alone.

Your SW is filled with hideous looking ghetto settlements and that is why all of you now claim to come from Lagos. Even in the same Lagos all of you want to die on top of, Igbos have continued to displace you, pushing you to places like Mushin, Maroko, Agege, Ikorodu and other dungeons where you can afford the rent while we occupy the nice areas. The last time it was your old men that were seen on national television crying and lamenting shamelessly that Igbos have chased them out of Lagos and begging Tinubu your god to come to their rescue

Tinubu has reduced you guys to bambiala and owo da generation. The average yoruba child now want to grow up and be like MC oluomo while Igbos keep hustling.

By 2023, Tinubu's disgrace will be complete and he will send you zombies to come out and cause nuisance but that is when you all will be mercilessly flogged with koboko. If you guys have sense, no matter how little, you would have read the handwriting on the wall to know that Tinubu has been used and dumped already.

Continue decieving yourself while Fulanis continue to entrench their hold on Lagos. Already, yorubas can't clear certain goods at the wharf without getting clearance from their fulani masters. NPA and everything of worth is in the hands of Fulanis, now they've created a royal stool too. Very soon, the Jos scenario will start playing out in Lagos.

Ignorant little boys like you won't go and be enlightened from those who are far above you in wisdom and understanding.

As someone who used to ship goods to Apapa, the bolded is very true. Just wash your hands of it brother. We can't fix Nigeria. Go abroad and forget about these idiots. They will dig their own graves.

LukasPodolski:
The month of June Allocation.

Delta State - 21 billion naira

Akwa ibom state - 17 billion naira

Rivers State - 14 billion naira

Bayelsa - 13 billion naira

Kano - 7 billion naira ( the northern states with the highest allocation)

the problem is not always the North, let's all start from our respective states.

you accused Yorubas of being slaves just because we voted GEJ, in his first election 2011 he won 5 states in SW except Osun.

what did we get in return? nothing, he oppressed us, we didn't held any reasonable position under him, The biggest we held was the ministry of Agriculture..

now tell me if it's plausible to vote in someone who oppressed you (despite supporting him in his first tenure bid) ? answer me.

If you are worried about the poor quality of leadership in the SS and SE, I can't argue with you there. But you are missing the bigger picture. Northern Nigeria brings an intolerable level of insecurity and terrorism to the country that scares away foreign investors, drains resources and will eventually collapse the whole country.

For example, the end SARS protest. Do you think a southern government would have reacted to unarmed protestors in that way? We will never have an accountable and modern government so long as the North is in charge. I thought #EndSARS would finally wake up the SW to that fact, but I guess I was wrong.

This thread has woken me up to the reality of why Nigeria is the way it is. The Yoruba are in alliance with the North, and that means the country will remain united. Whatever. I don't have to stress about Nigeria. I live abroad. Make I wash my hands of this worthless country.

LukasPodolski:
a barrel of crude oil was selling at over 100$ during Jonathan's regime, what did Jonathan do for his SS people? he only built a 2 lecture rooms University in his town LMAO.

Madam peace, Jonathan, Allison Madueke Okonjo Iweala all looted their money, Jonathan even spent billions just to organize a prayer section for the country according to sources... hahaha..LMAO.

fantastically corrupt people, look at Bayelsa, Look at Delta, look at Akwa ibom that should be models states, they are shitholes..

now that hydrocarbons is useless, they are now crying...

You are not lying here.

LukasPodolski:
how are we slaves? can you tell me Mr FREEMAN?

You are very similar to the Hausa. the Hausa are completely vassalitated to the Fulani, and they don't care. Yoruba are next. It's in your blood to be slaves.

LukasPodolski:
this degenerate thinks it's wrong for the Hausa/Fulanis to have their shaking yarki or whatever in Lagos but it's right for them to have Eze ndigbo in all Yorubaland, they have Eze ndigbo in Lagos, Akure, Abeokuta, Ado-Ekiti e.t.c infact the were they literally fighting for the one in Ibadan..
hypocrisy at it best..

the Eze ndigbo in Akure was even mercilessly flogged by angry locals.. Lol..

we also have Oba of Yorubas in major Northern cities, so their is nothing wrong if they, Hausa fulani also have Their leader in our land.

what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

You people are insane. I've ever seen such a group of happy slaves in my life.

Coronabirus:
Dobu really know the definition of poor? There is nothing shameful in being poor.

Hear the monkey! He says, there is nothing shameful in being poor! So in your shrunken brain there is nothing shameful about having children you can't feed or a wife you can't provide for? No wonder your region is still in the stone age!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR_mXxBrDxE

Coronabirus:
Most of those filthy ppl u see are Nigeriens, we saw thm going back home in troops amidst Endsars killings by protesters. Nevertheless, is better to beg than to be prostitute, all over North are Igbos selling sex, they're bastards from baby factories with no parent to trace, more than 80% of prostitutes in Europe are southern Nigerian girls, the renowned drug peddlers, Yahoo scammers are ur ppl. Atleast u have never seen in any news outlet ppl starving in the North we still feed u, imagine just aftermath of protest u can't afford food products at normal prices because North refuse to supply due to huge burning of their goods in the south. only 4 Northern states witness looting of palliatives but all southern states showed their hunger & desperation for food, when they're asked abt the reason for the loot thy all said hunger. Keep living in illusion, I've been to almost all Nigerian states so u can't hide any suffering ppl dey suffer for ur side. No portable water, no roads, no leadership, no moral training, u Bleep like rabbits, HIV ravaged u already...lots of inhumane acts...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLej5ZGtLvk

Coronabirus:
The problem with most of u in Nairaland, u dnt even have voice in ur house talkless of ur region. Your ppl will keep worshipping us till the end. Afta whites colony now here we're, serve us. Lol.

The majority of your people are starving and impoverished. In the South most of you are beggars or Okada drivers. When we say "the North" we are talking about a cabal of several 100 people on the top. The rest of you are just slaves and pawns. Your suffering under this system is 1,000x worse than ours, you are just too stupid to realise it.

Coronabirus:
If u think North is afta ur oil u're dumb. Oil is discovered in commercial quantity at Alkaleri Local Govt Bauchi state, in Gombe state It's also discovered, Lake Chad basin there is large deposit of oil, Benue trough, Niger state and Plateau state oil is discovered. My classmate is among the team working on the Presidential initiation for the discovery of oil in the North and all this is confirmed. Wether we're together or not one day when oil is useless as soon expected we'll explore ours for industrial purpose only not for export, Agriculture and solid minerals will then be harnessed. That'll be the time when u'll drink oil to survive I guess?

Whatever, I just want to split the country. I don't care what you idiots do in your failed state up North. The South can survive with or without oil, yall are just parasites who can't even farm without being slaughtered by herdsmen.

What I have gathered from this thread is that most Yoruba actually identify with the Hausa Fulani rulership of Nigeria and would rather maintain the status quo than join their brothers in the South for freedom. If they are too foolish to understand the threat posed by the North, fine. They will understand it soon. Nigeria will collapse one way or the other. Either amicably, through war, or in a Zimbabwe style currency crash.

Abeg, Niger delta militants resume your attacks. Crash the naira to $1 to 1000, and let these monkeys know what suffering feels like.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD4EyhxeFoU

BastardWike:
Southern politicians are the most stupid and dumb people God ever created. Buhari borrowed massive loans from China with no available means of paying back, yet he is busy wasting same loans on another country! If that isn't an impeachable offense, then I wonder what is!

The amount of money Nigeria has wasted in the name of fighting insurgency since 2011 is enough to make all federal roads perfect and also have enough to utilize on other pressing needs but we keep pouring our scarce resources into a basket called Northern Nigeria while the entire country continue to sink into the abyss.

The North has destroyed itself and it would take a generation and $1 trillion to redeem that region. Northern Nigeria is on self destruct mode and if South fails to break free, North will drag it down the abyss along with them.

Exactly. But these monkeys called Yoruba refuse to open their eyes and break free from these northern animals. The north is a drowning man, and if we don't break free we will also drown.