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jln115:
american-soldiers-learning-critical-lessons-during-ex-shared-accord

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48718:american-soldiers-learning-critical-lessons-during-ex-shared-accord&catid=56:diplomacy-a-peace&Itemid=111
apparently the yanks didn't do to well when ambushed by our lads posing as insurgents!!

No one does well in ambushes, unless you're mobile you'll be slaughtered. In reality, the Americans are trained to always have close-air support. In an ambush they'll holdout to call for "danger close" CAS then move on.

Our troops will have knee mortar, smoke, LMGs and MGLs in a foot patrol to disable an ambush.

kabe1:
Don't be always too quick to show your stupidity.

Yahoo boy alert!!!

How many Internet hours are you left with?

patches689:
Who is @NairlandSARS and why they trying to contact me?

I ain't clicking no links on no emails.

SARS? It's time you get taxed in Nairaland, just give them your banking details with your password. You'll be fine.

MikeCZA:
Looks like the LM5 too.

Civilian version of the R5 used mostly by security companies. The chaps in the picture might be private bodyguards reason they are not carrying standard Nigerian armed forces service weapons like the Tavor, and the AK derivatives.

You're right. Those are former Julius Malema bodyguards when he was with the ANC.

Same pastor nabbed by the SAPS for sex related crimes.

jteku:
The pictures was not taken in Nigeria, and the people don't look Nigeria, and to answer your question....no security agency uses such weapon in Nigeria

You're right, only the "pastor" is Nigerian, the rest are southern Africa. The picture was taken in the Eastern Cape.

newafricaken254:
Bulgarian ARSENAL Assault 5.56x45 mm Rifle AR-M4SF with a short barrel and folding butt stock ,i love a woman who is interested in weaponry

Actually that's South African civilian R series riffle

Who remembers Springbok, Fighter Pilot and Craig B back in the days of Augustine?

jln115:
When I read "Ambush training" I was like fvck yeah!!!..........after I watched I was like yeah fvck it wasn't!!

It would have been great to see the actual ambush and all the dakka that comes with it... Some mockup explosions would have made a killer but naah we see people toi-toing and a "chief" under a tree.

Let's just hope they're getting to the interesting parts where they simulate assaulting a fictional country like they did in 2013.

jln115:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQax5_J0DNI

Not as exiting as I suspected though! but still cool to watch.

When are they doing the exciting sh*t like rolling light armour formations.. Agh!

Algerian1:
Type 143 Albatros class fast attack craft , Tunisian Navy

6 in service equipped with Exocet MM38 , 58m long

P505 Hamilcar (ex Sperber)
P506 Hannon (ex Greif)
P507 Himilcon (ex Geier)
P508 Hannibal (ex Seeadler)
P509 Hasdrubal (ex Habicht)
P510 Giscon (ex Kormoran)

That's a lotta firepower

Hrmnn:
Prototype armoured car trialled in South Africa in 1974. This received the designation "Boerboel" and was rejected in favour of the Ratel 90. Note the SADF registration plate.

One of the funniest AFVs I have ever seen. Ratel designers were ahead of their time.

frumentius:
IT seems the Indonesians also bought Truvelo sniper rifles.

PIC: members of the Indonesian Marine Corps Amphibian-1 special forces with the Truvelo CMS 12,7x99mm.

Are civilians allowed to own such weapons maybe with the hunting license?

GreenandGold:
Who's this guy in front of a Gripen

This guy doesn't say. If I had an opportunity to stand next to such military gear like this I'll probably take all sorts of selfies. In fact I'll even have pics of me dining, sleeping and probably masturbate on it.

ssaengine:
Not 100% true. Still some guys around. And engineers at that level are very mobile...Denel, CSIR, Armscor, Paramount swop engineers all the time when new projects come up.

That I didn't know. Thanks for informing

officialdayo:
Maybe more technical but I doubt if it's going to be too technical for the engineers at Denel. They're professionals who have designed aircrafts before.

The technical aspect isn't the issue I'm talking about. I am just saying since there's more demand in LUH Helos, I feel Denel should take such advantage and go into such.

As strange as it sounds Denel doesn't have helicopter engineers anymore. They left after the Rooivalk project, some started ATE which produced the "Super" Hind. ATE was swallowed by Paramount Group. So if there's someone who's likely to do an LUH it's more likely to be Paramount.

Paramount being an extremely mean business enterprise, they don't venture into something unless they spot a gap in the market.

ssaengine:
Denel Aeronautics

Is that V-shaped thingy a drone of some sort?

officialdayo:
Why isn't Denel making LUH helo? They would have enough sales in that compared to combat helo.

They would still rely on Western rotors then face the same problems like they did with the AH.

Developing one from scratch would take more resources making the project uneconomical

Unless there's a reliable independent rotor supplier out there, Denel would rather risk it with an AH because of the after sales products (weaponry) that comes with it.


NB: My personal opinion

frumentius:
and Khartoum and embedded Tchadian SF. The days of poorly-trained rebels/insurgents will become a thing of the past.

Hence our fretting that APCs are our only C-130 transportable vehicles. The Army is in dire need of a light armour air-transportable combat vehicle. In other words, an Eland-type modern vehicle.

Is there a way the iNkunzi Strike TRT could be fitted on the Mamba or Casspir? Or maybe refit a Mamba with a 90mm special turret and have that whole vehicle dedicated to support?

jakeporeshenko:
Ask...

https://twitter.com/miladvisor/status/888424568494358529

That's very illegal

Frumentius is pulling an Augububu on us... How many soldiers are trained in the art of hitting sensors let alone insurgents.

But that vehicle has heat seekers, hiding under a branch will get you a 40mm shell right in your face, you should try it frumentius but leave me your bike on your Will

frumentius:
And a few shots on the sensors with the Denel NTW-20 renders the thing blind:

I said insurgents, unless Denel is now selling things to all sorts of people crawling out of volcanos

After going through the vehicle specs carefully. This is the vehicle most modern battlefields need. You can literally troll every insurgent with this little green thing.

Enough firepower, enough protection (just add RPG nets). The gizmos are top notch. I'd buy it first thing in the morning

(They also throw in some LED lights without extra fees)

frumentius:
A modernised MC-90 along these lines:

Is that a 0.50? What a letdown

newafricaken254:
Abrams and M-60 tank s in preparations for graduation ceremonies of the Egyptian military college

I already have a strategy to destroy them all.. Russian MLRS like the ones Algeria uses.

The vehicle that got it right:

- 40mm cannon
- supplemented with an LMG
- Can withstand an HMG
- NATO STANAG 4569 Level 4
- Modern gizmos and gadgets
- Jammers
- You can transport it with an Mi-26 (still have room for troops)

* Just add RPG nets

Now we talking

Hrmnn:
The one place where the Eland truly shines over the Kat and Ratel 60/90 is its ability to be driven into, and dropped from, a C-130 type aircraft with minimal preparation.

Its size and weight are ideal for rapid airborne deployments, that's one reason the Israeli paratroops and the French Foreign Legion liked it so much.

I've suggested before on this thread that more African armies need to borrow a page from the Russian VDV and allow airborne units to deploy with their own armour assets as necessary.

Yes, vehicles like the Jakkals are nice for mobility, but they lack even minimal armour and firepower. Why not have a vehicle that does all three? The Eland is suitable for the task, though of course a more modern take on the same concept is preferential.

This would be a vast improvement on the defensive capabilities of the paratroopers, who are especially vulnerable in their role of light infantry.

Paratroopers are deployed with close air support, (CAS) if you can't provide it then you're sending them on a death trip.

Path finders or SFs would be the ones who would be sent without any air support in case the zone is too hot for flying, of course they they'll have to clear it (destroy SAMs, AAA, nested HMGs) before Paras are dropped. At least then the zone would be good for CAS eliminating the need for heavy or medium armour.

Picture: SAAF C130 flaring

frumentius:
Yes, in a conventional conflict. And as you point out, that's what the Rooikat is for. However, nasty little conflicts is what we're far more likely to face, and an Eland type is what we miss. Case in point, Bangui.

That's no longer recorn, that's guns blazing "shoot a dude" vehicle

In that case it would be acting as an assault vehicle.... Throw in a 30mm and take out some Toyota bakkies with the bust firing mode. Throw in some support HMG as well. Then you'd be firing 30mm shells and an M2 Browning from the same small vehicle, I'm already getting chills down my spine.

Good God I don't design weapons otherwise I'd design deadly stuff. As Patrick would say, add more "dakka" or go home. (he didn't really say that).

frumentius:
It's role, at least in SA, is that of a scout or battlefield recon. Which means sacrificing protection for mobility. And of course it must pack enough punch to defend itself and get out of trouble. And knock out targets of opportunity, like a lone T-55 out for a stroll in the bush.

A similar role vehicle in South Africa would be the Kat but look at how heavy it is. The Generals knew they wouldn't send a boy (Eland and Ratel) to do a man's job.

We can't assume that since it's for recorn then the enemy can't spot it and setup ambushes. Machine guns at flank ambush positions would kill the crew and the driver won't get time to save them (provided he lived).

Remember the Elands had to be accompanied by Buffels incase of an ambush? So it defeats the purpose of recorn when you now have a column of vehicles in the bush. So send send a thick armoured vehicle like the Kat or dress up the light vehicle with modular armour plates and save everyone.

Hrmnn:
A new Tanzanian armoured car based on virtually the same concept as the Mechem MC-90: an extremely lightweight, air droppable and compact 4X4 chassis carrying a large gun. Not sure if it's been posted here before, but it's certainly worth taking a look at.

I sincerely wish them all the best in making this design work. Who knows? Perhaps someday a modernised vehicle concept like this will replace the large numbers of Elands and AMLs still in service all over Africa.

My concern with light IFV/AMVs is the lack of protection. I wouldn't drive my guys to battle in something that will be knocked out by machine guns in an ambush.

If you put light armour to battle it better be in considerable numbers like they would do with Ratels. If it's meant to go alone it better be thicker like the Kat.


So the solution here is simple. Develop modular armour plates for this vehicle. Use 2 helicopters to deploy it. 1st helicopter drops the vehicle then the second helicopter drops the modular armour then quickly fit on the field and then hit the road.

frumentius:
6 drone startups in South Africa to look out for:

http://ventureburn.com/2017/07/drone-startups-south-africa/

Some interesting tech.