₦airaland Forum

iblawi:
Can you narrate how you intend to do that? I will like you to see how stupid you sound.

Narrate how a country of almost 200 million people has no 4th generation fighter in this day in age. I'm laughing in Igbo.

iblawi:
The Gripens were brought out of storage doesn't translate to 26+ pilots. don't get it twisted.

Dude, you have 0 4th generation fighter pilots shut the f#ck up.

iblawi:
Basic training in South Africa, Nigeria, USA, UK, etc.

Unlike South Africa that train gripen pilots in Cuba and Russia.

We can train them even under the rock.... We have 4th generation fighters, you don't even have their dummy...I'm laughing in Igbo.

iblawi:
Upgrade gripen C/D to E/F? And South Africa will use 9 pilots to fly 26 Gripens.

The funny part is that you still want to increase the numbers.

Who needs 9 or 12 or 26 pilots...? We can f#ck your airspace with just 1 Gripen.

jakeporeshenko:
Wow this looks so dedicated by nature/design.

You said it right...

iblawi:
Oh! I didn't know. Please tell us what the other dedicated attack helicopters have done that the mi35/mi24 haven't achieved?

Writing long grammar won't prove you right.

The funny thing is you didn't consider why you needed 2-3 Rooivalk to escort UN food. A single MI35m would have done that with ease.

Did you know that there were Hinds in east DRC before the Rooivalk? The UN had to require a Rooivalk because the bloody Hind was useless at stopping the M23.

As MikeCZA pointed out, all decent militaries are replacing the Hind with something even more dedicated... You're stuck with it because you're collecting all the military rubbish.

Killing ISIS, yes it works... Anything can kill ISIS. But would Russia deploy a Hind against NATO? It wouldn't coz it's a poorman's attack helicopter.

Here's a list of attack helicopters if you're serious
http://www.military-today.com/helicopters/top_9_attack_helicopters.htm

As for the 12 Rooivalks, this is the story.

Initially there was an order of 48 Rooivalks just like there were 48 produced Denel Orxies. However at the end of the Border War the airforce ran out of "unlimited" money so the project was shelved all together. The airforce became more concerned about acquiring fighters instead anything else.

The Rooivalk was revived by the Army around the 2000s when their 100+ MBT order was cancelled. The age of fast mobility warfare had ended, if South Africa had to go to war it would be a full all-out systems war and the Army lacked heavy armour in large numbers to make an effective assault. So the solution would be an attack helicopter that would soften the enemy's heavy armour.

So we had buy someone's gunship or revive our own where we could integrate our own weapon systems. The Army spent $1bn (R7bn) of its own money to have at least 12 Rooivalks.... That helicopter might be with the Airforce but it's the army's adopted child.

However, the Rooivalk will at some stage be replaced which is why Denel is looking into its next generation.

kikuyu1:
Actually,Saffers someone accused you guys of incompetence,which is harsh; but frankly for a 300 bn$ GDP,a proven world class defence infrastructure you're definitely under performing!

At first I though it was your immediate post Uhuru ANC boys who found generalship and geopolitics challenging-understandable. Ofc there was the boatload of unrealistic freebies everyone expected and yelled in outrage when Mbeki realistically procured a massive tri services upgrade.
New subs,Grips and other ish but a country like RSA in a neighbourhood like this really should have serious force projection capacity!

For now your force structure is only good enough for a peacetime ops within southern Africa.

Its over a decade since the Grips landed-where are your twin engine deep strike interdiction jets,why do you still have only 12 Rooivalks,where is your heavy lift,speaking of which why do you still lack a replacement for the Drakensberg,your sole 30 year old unrep vessel(you've just floated tenders for 3 OPVs and 3 IPVs but no unrep)? Why don't you have a RDF,ideally amphib with all own assets?

Peace only comes through strength! Every first year officer cadet knows. In the wake of the CAR disaster I waited to hear an uptick in your defence spending but you're still stuck at 1.1% of GDP as of 2016. Why?

You choose to subordinate yourselves under UN in the DRC instead of dealing with the known instigators forcefully and placing the entire country under your own jurisdiction,similar to Namibia post WW1. You could reap trillions in such a legally agreed scheme with the eternally suffering Congolese people-instead you celebrate hide and seek games with known Tutsi proxies,the M23 'rebels.'

It will be your loss,when NOT IF, a continental challenger outflanks you in the DRC,already a rival had made inroads in both Kivus and has extended as far as Kisangani,softly,softly . Its happening already in other spheres-we have at least 7 times your dedicated gunships,with 35 MD 500s,12 MD 530s,12 AH 1s,12 MI 28s and 55 incoming ZW 9s. Naij is getting 2 Indonesian unreps,albeit civvy standard.

By African standards you're in the upper elite,on all levels,in the wider world its like Romania vs Italy.



[url]comparison of Romania vs. Italy - Romania compared to Italy[/url]

Those stats will tell you which nation built the sexiest beast. I hope this doesn't turn into a flame-in fact I'd rather keep it us between us having noticed an overwhelming negative emotion whenever your weapons systems and/or geopolitics comes up.

I know this is very off-topic but I'll try to explain a few things.

Post 94 there was a Defence Review document which suggested what the SANDF should acquire to function during peace time. They included

- 5 frigates
- 4 Submarines
- 48 light fighters (F16 or Gripen class)
- 4 Submarines
- 60 light helicopters
- 6 navy helicopters
- 100+ MBTs


1 frigate was cancelled in favour of a helicopter carrier. MBTs cancelled, light helicopters reduced to 30, 4 Submarines reduced to 3 and so on..

Initially we had the money, in fact we still do... However, the Arms Deal left a nasty after taste on the general public who's post 94 utopia dreams were not being full filed.

See, South Africa can run the best military in Africa because our tax collection system collects more tax than any other African country. However, we have huge social inequalities that are being addressed by the state. They range from education to infrastructure.... When someone who lives in Soweto asks why he's not having the same infrastructure as someone who lives just 10kms away, it becomes big problem that can destabilise the state.

The military is the least of the current concerns, education, health and infrastructure takes the stage. Education gets 4 times the military budget , if money was promotionally allocated then the military budget would be twice the current status and yes we would be fielding the largest military after Egypt.

As for the Congo, we can't invade another country to anex it. It doesn't work like that.... Every country retains it's right to independence and self determination.

patches689:
Putting the horse infront of the cart if you are getting it for amph purposes

You will need AA nodes to support it...

Exactly what I thought. There's minimum offensive capabilities in the NN, no replenishment ship or subs to support a ship of this nature.. If it goes out to sea, it will be a sitting duck.

So this is technically a humanitarian ship, nothing more.

If you want to project 500 soldiers, just buy half a dozen air heavy lifters. Your journey will be quicker.

jakeporeshenko:
You're lucky I found it, would have pestered your life.

Are you sure the page is legit though, some of the gear they are using is not exactly Gucci standard, maybe these guys aren't top tier ?

With this kind of dress code, they look like they're from anywhere. You even see the AK 47... Don't be shocked if you saw a Recce wearing what looks like the French uniform with the Famas. Be the enemy, be your friend, be anything. As for the Gucci kit, it's overrated in the harsh southern Africa bush, you can't get far with it.

kabe1:


You're such a butt-hurt loser. I have not seen even one since i registered here.

However, if you want to go on clamouring for his d**k, good for you.

You registered in December last year, I have been here longer. You know nothing about Henry's pain... Ask him, he has a broken top incisor tooth that he received from my smashing posts.

As for you, stay a year longer I might consider entertaining you... B#tch

GreenandGold:
OK OK

I'll post some of these... Recce private life.

Now that I see a bike, Frumentius when's your SADC explore tour coming?

kabe1:
To be honest, if there is anyone suffering from frustration here, it is you.

Funny, Henry240, doesn't even act like you exist. I have never for once even seen him respond to your posts.

Why do you even bother, it's truly pathetic.

Are you that desperate for his attention?

Actually he does, it doesn't end well most of the times for him.... Once beaten, twice as shy.

frumentius:
Recce training pics can only be released through official channels. On deployments they're supposed to take reasonable precautions when media is around. The problem comes of course when personal pics get out of the unit or are shared with civilians.
That said, I still think the SANDF needs enter the 21st century with the media policy.
For example, a pic of a Recce next to an Oryx in the DRC, with his face blacked out, should not get anybody in trouble.

You're right there... People are interested in seeing pics of special forces (and the rest of the military), that's why we're here.

I don't know where this media blackout thingy came from, the Border War has hundreds if not thousands of pictures taken. I get "new" ones on my Pinterest every week as if the war is ongoing.

Henry240:
Yes, SAAF crashes are as a result of inadequate pilot training, technical incompetence and forced BEE quota system.

This is the 4 Nigerian A109 crash, 2 from the Navy and this is the 2nd one from the Air Force.

The crashes are not unusual, considering the thousands of sorties they carry out each year.

N/B, I never defended the A109.

This is what happens when you sleep and wake up in anger and frustration.

The FJs are not being delivered and the Su-30 story turned out to be a tooth fairy tale.

Please consult your health care practitioner, you should be in plenty of pain.

Algerian1:
Mi 171 , Algeria

Those 2 last pictures, beautiful

ssaengine:
Otherwise known as a crash

Actually ditching it in the water was a smart move, it softened the crash for their survival.

jakeporeshenko:
Photo of the NAF Aw109 that was successful ditched in a body of water yesterday, thankfully no lives were lost.

Can I guess, it just fell off the sky... Typically Augusta. Those things fly over my house frequently on route to the south-east Kruger Park, you can imagine my fear of it just falling on our dwellings.

tdayof:


I was only kidding about the SU-30. it was to calm down the RSA guys

Anyway some Nigerian delegation in china checking out some su-30

In the name of everything that is good, don't ever do that to Henry, he's suffering enough already

Henry240:
He's entitled to his opinion, no matter how retarrded it is.

I don't bother quoting him or the other Activatekruger individual.

Spam = Ignore.

Of course, that's where you get your hiding.

ViceAdmirlAgain:
From Sat-Com Namibia

Wow. That's very dope, recon operators should get this.

frumentius:
The R3 Bic comes with the CSIR's stamp of approval!

It never let's you down during critical recorn missions where every stroke counts

frumentius:
He got a nasty surprise when we nailed his special forces behind the lines trying to re-supply M23 .


ZDF.

Was it an intel driven operation? I know you can't say much, I'm trying my luck

GreenandGold:
South African Special Forces operators

What's that little pocket on the shoulder for? I always wanted to ask. Also, the green Reece pants have a pocket on the down leg section. It's an odd position for a pocket. What purpose do they serve?

patches689:
Why would we care about Su30's?

The pain of not owning a 4th generation fighter is so deep. He'll probably kill a South African if he came across one in Lagos (or wherever he is).

overhypedsteve:
from now onwards all your stvpid posts will not see the light of day, it will be like you never existed, it will be like the anti-spam bot was created specifically for you. You will slowly but surely fade into limbo. Always, no matter how jealous or ass-ached you are, always respect the Victories of another man do not try to claim it for yourself as a coward. You do not see any Nigerian argue with you when you post bogus achievements of the SANDF in the bush war and in World War 2.
But here is our thing, here is our victory and you came over to sit on it. You are f#cking coward. Nigerians lost their lives fighting a full blown war in this places and you want to tell us that your PMC's saved the day. What is the capacity of this PMC's and what size of troops can they deploy that they could have saved this countries or you think these wars we speak of are jokes, this nations where in a state of total f#cking chaos, no government and no order, different rebel groups were fighting each other in suburbs with civilians in it. Even the Libya of today was not as bad as Liberia lr Sierra Leone at least Libya have a government. I wonder why you would want to claim another man's glory? Have you seen any Nigerian arguing the fact that your men where raped by child soldiers in the DRC. so why claiming another man's victory.

Blah blah blah... South African mercenaries mopped out Sierra Leon. No African unit fought like the Buffalo Battalion. Go cry, South African man ended a civil war in your own backyard.

http://www.soldiers-of-misfortune.com/history/eo-sierra-leone.htm


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/daily/oct99/sierra16.htm

IbnSultaan:
According to you france was responsible
For Liberia, Sierra Leone, Gambia
Even where France is deployed Mali n Ivory coast we sent boats to help out.
Nigeria boats in Somalia n Darfur

Did you fight? No, Sierra Leone was cleared up by South African mercenaries.

Gambia? There was never a war there so you didn't solve anything

Mali, you're just France' security boys. You don't even know where the enemy is at.

Kenya and Uganda actually fights in Somali not Nigeria

Darfur? Seriously? Everyone is there so it's nothing to write home about.

pacretus:
If it takes just manning checkpoints,to end bloody civil wars, like we did in Liberia and Sierra Leon...or receiving a hearty welcome from the locals in Mali.by now DRC should be a peaceful country.

biggotry+faggotry=southies=activatekruger.

Start in Nigeria, you really need help.

Henry240:
This is a statement of fact. Examples abound, aplenty.

Like manning checkpoints in Mali while France does the cleaning up.

GreenandGold:
So much wildlife the game parks can't contain it, it literally patrols the streets as well... It's a security threat, this little guy has to be arrested for illegally walking down the street without proper documentation. He'll probably get life in the Kruger National Park where he'll roam around in a park larger than Israel and Palestine

Come on, the little guy was probably looking for a town girl

IbnSultaan:
ECOWAS wouldn't have done more to end burundi,DRC n CAR conflicts

ECOWAS can't end any conflict... France takes care of the region for you.