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IbnSultaan:
Psychos like you are part of the problem

Thanks, I appreciate the recognition

chkil0:
seriously ? irakian army against a coalition of 34 countries ( USA, united kingdomn , france italy ect.... ) ? last version equipment against export version ? , tomahawks , Awacks , stealth F117 , B52 , f15E , F18 , F16 !

2250 best coalition jets against 250 it was like Pigeon shooting coalition widely destroyed military and civilian iraki infrastructure , coalition had a total control of the sky , yeh irakian air force did what theu can with its equipment , coalition lost 75 arcraft , in the ground and sea the difference were more hudge ,

i dont know were do you see any Balance of forces in this war

- They had sophisticated Soviet air defence
- Mobile air defence batteries
- Thousands of AA guns
- They had tons of experience

They should have made the Americans bleed, in fact they had good enough equipment to halt the Coalition Forces if they had similar training.



I hate saying this but check the Battle of Lomba River where the better equipped Angolans and Cubans were halted by the better trained South Africans.

IbnSultaan:
Your stupidity is getting into your thick coconut head
You need to fix your madness and learn to respect others including their faith, nationality, and race .

I have zero respect for Islamists for what they believe in and whatsoever, try another user.

xwolverine:
Now you're retracting your words about training trumping experience. I should say we are making progress.

SAAF has more experience you say? Prove it.
You haven't given me instances where you restored democracy in your own, and I'm not talking of Peace keeping missions or sneak attacks on retreating armies... I need something like the exploits in Liberia.... A note of caution... The Internet never forgets

Did anyone sell a car?

Why should I feed your ignorance? Why don't you look up the South African Air Force on the Internet?


The SAAF doesn't restore democracies, it keeps our airspace protected and that's why no one has flown into it in a 100 years of our existence.

On the other hand, you talk about Liberia? WTF is that compared to flying into Angolan airspace with Soviet SAMs and MiGs waiting... You're totally clueless

Meanwhile;

- NAF can't give CAS to ground troops
- Can't protect your ownairspace, you're sitting ducks

iblawi:
This is a typical South African brain.

A Nigerian brain brags about bombing a Toyota Hulux owned by Quran smoking wanksters

xwolverine:
Now you're contradicting yourself, just knock it off already.
I bet you would say the Iraqis have more experience than the Yanks?

Experience is not indeginous it's gained from being involved in actual wars.. A theoretical driver with the best training still needs to understand the driving culture of his/her city...training alone doesn't cut it, if it did the yanks would've kicked some asses in Japan... They needed the A-bomb to end the war.

It still doesn't change the fact that the SAAF has more experience and better training than the NAF. We shouldn't even be comparing, we're in different leagues.

xwolverine:
Really? are we going to do this all over?

The US have always had countless experiences since the turn of the century. From the civil wars to the world wars, you can't wave that off just to win an argument.

When Botswana have had to scramble A-jets (not designed for CAS) within short notice, with the pilot getting injured from AA guns in the process, but still manages to complete his mission...when SAAF have participated and won a single war (not against its own people)...when SADF have managed to restore democracy to one nation while supporting with over $10billion....Then we can have this discussion....till then i say the SAAF achievements are nothing even Chad wouldn't do. (anyone can perform excercises)

1. Bombed French military installations in Madagascar
2. Bombed Italy in East Africa
3. Bombed Italy in North Africa
4. Bombed Italy in Europe
5. Took Namibia from the Germans
6. Bombed the Koreans
7. Gave CAS to the Americans in Korea
8. Shot down Angolan MiGs
9. Did the largest air assault in African, amongst the largest during the Cold War

You talk about restoring democracy? You can't even restore it in the NE of your own land.

The biggest thing your airforce has ever done was to bomb a Toyota Hulux... Still couldn't bring back the girls even today.

chkil0:
not a good exemple , you cant compare iraqi army ( under embargo for 30 years no modern equipement) against coalition (more than 40 coutries ) +US NATO armies ! what can do experience when us air force destroy everything from the sky ? The coalition flew over 100,000 sorties, dropping 88,500 tons of bombs, and widely destroying military and civilian infrastructure. + Tomahawk ect... The difference was too enormous in terms of equipment and technology !

What are you talking about?


The Iraqi Airforce was a well oiled with Soviet aircrafts. They fielded :

- MiG-23 Flogger
- MiG-25 Foxbat (no fighter compares in raw power)
- MiG-29 Fulkrum (which the USAF feared)

Then on top they had all the experience, home ground advantage... The better trained Americans rolled over them. Iraq had no reason to loose but their terrible training despite their years of fighting experience.

Henry240:
The stupidity of South-Africans continue to defy logic.

When i provide a properly worded response to this comment now, you would be the first to call me a "Nigerian Witch Mother", with other fools from your country in support.

When it comes to Nigeria, I don't usually back down from a confrontation, please use your head.

So just because your boys dropped a handful free-fall bombs then your experience is undeniable?

Let's have this discussion when you have successfully shot down enemy aircrafts, dodged SAMs, flown your airforce across the world, have aces.

Till then you only have more experience than Botswana

xwolverine:
Here we go again with the bickering and emotional posts and I find my self typing a rebuttal not out of angst but to put certain things in perspective.

1. Except you're part of the NAF HQ, you can't boldly make statements like this without proofs or citing a source. Flight planning and targeting is a broad area where constant adaptations are made to adjust to specific threats being faced by a nation.. This cuts across both rotary and fixed winged assets.. Your statement of "facts" I should say is subjective at best


2. Training and real-life scenarios are two different things especially if you're dealing with a non conventional adversary like the BHT. They source most of their assets through the black markets and there are edge-cases where you most likely do not know what they have in inventory with regards to man pads and the likes. As a pilot, you have to adapt to the new situation.. There are multiple examples where training alone doesn't prepare you for what to expect, a sudden change in dynamics might throw you off your planned trajectory, this is without taking into consideration the possibility of failing equipment as result of being pushed beyond limits. If training and combat situations are one and the same, you wouldn't have cases of the US vets coming back from war zones with PTSD.

3. When BHT was driving around in tanks like you pointed out, there wasn't the political will to tackle the situation. Was it a bad experience? Yes it was.. Did we learn from it? Look at the results and the current status of the conflict, where the BHTs ability to make such attacks have been destroyed. The NAF, NN have over the years stated that they, are equipped adequately for the immediate threats around them. The word "well equiped" is a subjective one which becomes irrelevent if the ratio is outmatched by the adversary. A French vs southafrican conflict for example is a mismatch while the French vs Algeria matchup is an evenly matched situation. Another point to note is that equipments while important are not entirely the only factor which determines how prepared a country is, if it was the Saudis would've won in yemen.

At the bolded, you do not need a sandhurst training nor do you need to be tutored by Napoleon himself to understand these things, it's just common sense. You could have stated your points without being emotional about it, you don't necessarily need to agree with everyone's point of view. Attacking a person's intellect by making snide remarks is childish and doesn't show superiority.

Experience? The Iraqi Airforce and Army had tons of experience fighting Iran... The US boys had zero war experience, but they rolled over Iraq - it's called Operation Desert Storm, go check it out.

Good training surpasses experience.


As for NAF experience, it's nothing more than dropping a handful free fall bombs, no CAS, nothing even Botswana wouldn't do.

nnamdi1998:
Thanks

COIN actually stands for Counter Insurgency

overhypedsteve:
there are very big differences between a country engaging life targets with its aircrafts and the one shooting dummy targets for photography sessions, there are big differences between a pilot that have earned series of real kill strips and the one whose greatest achievement was to have been able to turn the craft upside down for a photography session, there are big differences between a pilot whose main worry is on strategizing maneuvers to carry out successful ground support sorties and the one whose main problem is on how to balance a rotor craft on a mountain ledge for photography shots.

We are fighting a war for which we are very well and suitably equipped and we have recorded some of the most unprecedented text book victories that the "unconventional" war against international terrorism would ever see.

Do not pray to learn the lessons that we have learnt, but when you pray, pray that you would one day gain the chance to learn from the experience of the men that have seen the true flames of war.

Dude, we will never face insurgency at your level...

Terror is dealt with at intelligence level. Do you think there is no Jihadists who wants to tear SA apart? A tribalist who thinks he should make his province a separate country? A redneck who wants some land "God gave to him"?... Dude, we have all of those guys here. The reason why they never go big is because they're never given that opportunity.

You on the other hand allowed BH to grow from YouTube dudes to guys who took your NE forcing you to fight a semiconvectional war.

If ever we could be faced with a military problem like your BH (which is unlikely to happen), we would run over them in no time.... Those photo shoots are called Capacity Demonstration because there's no stupid idiot that wants to start a war nearby so that you can see the real war photos.

nnamdi1998:
what's the meaning of COIN?

It's when soldiers are fighting on payday, they refer to that day as COIN.

Caption: SAS Amatola with Umkhonto 32 missile cells

frumentius:
Dear god no! The thing can hardly fly up-country as it is!

And we have tens of them...

gottfried21:
Walvis Bay Naval Base NS Elephant

Best naval picture for this week (IMO) .

61mech:
Proposed SAAF Augusta with 20mm gamma

Throw in unguided rockets then we can a winner, a SF friend.

frumentius:
We bought way too few of the Super Lynx. Should've been double what we have.

My wish would be that each of the Damen 2600s each carried a Super Lynx.

Wonderful photography from the SAAF guys.. Big ups

Henry240:
You seem to have an advanced degree in kissing South-African arse.

Anyway, as it suits you.

There is nothing false in my comment. All I stated are the facts in the news report. If you have any problems with that, take it up with Channelstv and the South-African navy chief.

You know Henry, your online character is of a Nollywood witch mother... Do something about it before it consumes you.

jakeporeshenko:
Seems like he also took a tour of at least one of your frigates and a submarine, only if he led a team of crack commandos to commandeer both vessels and sail back to Nigeria

And we would have some trouble finding them

chkil0:
the 5th Algerian Kilo 636M Submarin ceremony of putting in the water

14.03.2017


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocEKVl1l1ZY

That's one huge machine

Henry240:
What do they actually do at CSIR, purely military research or mixed Civilian/Military?

It's all scientific research fields. From Defence to Medicine and everything in between.

If I had paid much attention to my science teacher, I'd probably be here, but naaah I was busy reading "We Fear Naught But God".

chkil0:
Fox-2 [6x6 Armoured Personnel Carrier] Algeria

He's.... alive

Is he supposed to wear sandals

Henry240:
Yes, and i said, they are better, as a proven fact. The HQ-9, LY-08, HQ-16 are all better Air Defence Systems than the South-African system.

I did not mince words.

Are you not now a South-African? ...... How is this not an apt description of you?

Rubbish, where have they been proven? Were they tested against Umkhonto?

In your own words "you're pulling things out of your arse".

jakeporeshenko:
NAF MI-17 supporting ground troops

How many of those do you operate?

Sizzorkay:
Actually I've been on here for years, i had to open an account just to let you guys know that this bickering and childish stuff is uncalled for.
I do not need your response either, enjoy your day chief.

You know, your first post ever was to quote me on the dune buggy. I didn't answer you because it was kind emotional on your side so I assumed you were it's chief Designer.


However I have since noticed that you want some special attention from me, 3 of your 6 posts are quoting me... WTF dude grow up.

jakeporeshenko:
I am not really understanding your post, are you suggesting this was some kind of planned event or a conspiracy ?

Everything with kikuyu1 is a conspiracy theory... If I decided to downtown with an automatic rifle and opened random fire, kikuyu1 would suggest the Israelis sent me to do it

Henry240:
Better systems available in the market =\= Inferior.

The South-African fellow said Chinese systems are unreliable, I simply asked how do we know the South-African system isn't unreliable?

I said "probably unreliable" as a possibility guess... Then you proceed in stating that they're "better" as a surety statement.

Now if a statement has to be proven, it's yours.

But anyways I have a username "ActiveKruger", the "South-African" is not it.

chike00:
now who has the washed out butt-hurts? Geez..move on dude

Iranians testing our system then you call that butt-hurting? Work on your grammar.

Sizzorkay:
Amazing, Henry never said your system is inferior, it was one of you guys that called another system inferior, jeez. Enough of these childish stuff

Mmmh, first I don't know who you're.. You probably have been here for just 1 month.... Stick around for a few more months then I might respond to you.