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Patchesagain:
Back in the day we used to have an entire air mobile brigade (6 S.A.I, First City Regiment, Prince Alfred's Guard).

They still exist, but I think only 6 S.A.I is fully qualified with only elements of FCR and PAG being qualified.

Anyway, now we could never deploy more than a battalion without stripping helo's from other duties, and the loss of the Super Frelons has greatly reduced capabilities.

We would need 20 Oryx to move an entire battalion in two waves. That leaves only 19 for the rest of the Airforce. Even if you throw in the Augusta's it doesnt change much.

Its sad that we will never get those capabilities back... all I want is Apocalypse Now ride of the Valkyries in the African bush


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKaYOW9zMoY

Considering the ever growing budget cuts and the looming free tertiary education for all, military spending is likely to suffer. After the Arms Deal, South Africans are bitter about anything called the military.... The Orxy needs a replacement and I hear in less than 10 years. I don't even think we'd be able to buy 30 or so medium lifters as replacement. Sad times

africaken254:
good choose ,CH-53K is a beast US marines are going to definitely that chopper

off topic:my favourite scene in the movie Battle: Los Angeles

The irony here is the movie is directed by a South African

jakeporeshenko:
Nigerian navy SBS schooling regular combatants at the range, they seem to have a new camo

Am I the only person who finds the never ending Nigerian camo patterns confusing... I mean there's a new camouflage pattern every new month THEN to add more confusion, a single platoon or unit can be seen wearing different patterns and an individual soldier can wear a mix (as he seemingly pleases).

africaken254:
if it was me they would have shot me,while i took a photo

Same here

africaken254:
clandestine meaning one or two choppers sneaking special ops team members behind enemy line,is it what you mean.what i am talking about is a battalion size being heliborne by choppers and with air support from jets,helicopter gunships and ISR platforms to conduct an assault on enemy position

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJvhSCufV0s

Most African countries (with an exception of a few) don't have enough helicopters to drop a battalion-size infantry into action. Those who do, have not demonstrated that capacity in recent years. The only times this happened on African soil was when the SADF 32 Battalion would be dropped into battles in Angola and would be quickly extracted back to Namibia within hours. ... As for now, it's just tactical insertions.

Fidha254:
members of the recently formed Long Range Surveillance unit at Liboi military camp... Liboi is right at the edge between kenya-Somali border... (I see a grenade launcher and also a war service dog in the field, africaken254 you once wondered why service dogs were never used in the field..

3rd pic shows the current state of Kenya Somali border, separated by a mere old fence!

During the time of cross-border insurgency in South Africa, both the Mozambican and Zimbabwean border were made very high on the South African side and then electrified (for hundreds of kilometers). At some point Eland 90s and Ratels would be seen patrolling on the Mozambican/SA border as a security statement to scare off any potential danger either posed by insurgents or their state allies.

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africaken254:
botswana defence forces

Place wheeled vehicles on carrier trucks, then make the tracked ones drive on the concrete running track. Some logic right there

africaken254:
serve in the military my a@@!they were pampered in the military.american,british and european leader sneak into war zones to visit their troops.our presidents opening announce they are visiting war zones countries

I'm sure you're aware that European and US leaders are higher targets than African leaders?

Henry240:
@Activatekruger, how's life in the gulag, i see the Anti-Spambot has sentenced you to 24 hours imprisonment.

Yet I'm still posting, I must be a witch

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We have stored Impala MK2 we don't know what to do with.. I heard Nigeria is buying cheap, they might be interested. It's great for killing Islamic cave dwellers.

Henry240:
So, Nigeria is buying the JF-17, not for the following reasons;

- that it incorporates modern FBW with advanced state-of-the art avionics

- that it has a Radar range of over 100km

- that it is capable of firing BVRAAM at 80km

- that it is excellent in all the roles, Air-to-ground, Air-to-Air, Recon, Air-to-Sea.

- that is has a short turn around time

- that it is capable of air-refueling

- that is features an advanced Data-Link

- that it has a more powerful engine than the Gripen C/D

- that it meets our overall strike and air defence requirements

- that it is a combat proven platform

- that it is capable of firing PGM and laser guided bombs



According to Patchesagain, Nigeria is buying the JF-17 because it is cheap. So Patchesagain should Nigeria buy the Gripen C/D because it is expensive?

Of course the Gripen does all those better.

Honestly, if you guys had the budget to buy decent fighters you wouldn't be buying Chinese fakes.

Henry240:
Software upgrades allow all modern aircrafts which a flown by computers do what they couldn't previously. It is just an operating system upgrade. All modern fighters can carry out OS upgrades, the capability you mention is not an advantage.

Chief, let me bring it down to your level. You can take an E Series (Mercedes-Benz) for a software update BUT it won't add new features like a Tesla Model S would although both are modern.

The Gripen is 4+ generation fighter while most of the so called modern fighters are just 4th generation.

giles14:
over the air update? wot a good tool for Russian hackers.

You have no knowledge on the issue so it's wise you don't expose your low IQ.

Henry240:
Botswana doesn't have an Air Force
.

They're don't, they have an air wing and I'm sure you know the difference.

Henry240:
The difficulties which have come with maintaining SAAF Gripens did not come out of thin air, including difficulties your Air Force had with aviation fuel.


According to the SAAF experience, the Gripens aren't easy to maintain.

Cheaper to fly in fuel. You forget that South Africa allocates only less than 1.5% of GDP to the military compared to 4.5% in other countries so let's do a proper analysis the day we would allocate the same amount of cash to the military as everyone else.

Henry240:
It doesn't disapprove my comments. The Thai air force is primarily and strictly Western. This is a fact.

It's makes no sense to request a contract bid from suppliers you're not interested in. If Thai was pro Western, they could have opted for American fighters. In case you don't do Geo politics, the Swiss don't fit in the Western politics tagline.

Odunayaw:
su 30 cheaper and deadlier but expensive to maintain
gripen expensive but cheaper to maintain.

Do not delude urslf thinking they chose the gripen bcux its a better fighter or sumfn
the numbers they bought says alot

The Thai chose the Gripen over the Su 30 after inspecting both planes.. In fact, I know no incident where the Su 30 won a bid over the Gripen when money wasn't an issue.

SANDF

denisfidha:
Jordan president king abdulla II in the country to (among other things around military and bilateral,economic coperation) witness a joint military excersize wich I posted a few days ago, between KDF and JArmedForces

jordan president recieved by kenyan president... I've never seen presidents meet in uniform b4

Samora Machel liked wearing military uniform even when at head-of-states meetings. So if Samora Machel and Idi Amin once met (probably discussing how to attack Pretoria) they'd be both wearing them and of course Idi would be more decorated

To add. The Griffin is still the only fighter I know of that has the ability to add new capabilities just by receiving over-the-air updates without adding any new hardware. It's the same ability that allowed the Tesla Model S to add autopilot features while packed in people's garages.

So a Gripen 5 years later will have more capabilities without adding any physical gadget.... Now that's more bang for our Rands.

Henry240:
The people who are buying the Gripen have no choice, other than to go for an average fighter which is very expensive, and is leveraging on the high cost of the Eurofighte, Super-Hornet and Rafale.


Czech republic = NATO member

Hungary = NATO member

South-Africa = Traditionally doesn't buy non-western equipment.

Brazil? Then how about Thailand who ditched the larger and cheaper Su 30 in favour of the smaller and expensive Gripen?

Henry240:
No chief. All sources i've seen quote the Gripen at 65million a unit doesn't include spares/accessories. The Gripen C/D costs more than the MIG-35, a fighter that comes with AESA, advanced Data-link, more powerful engines, lot more hard-points. I feel for a light fighter, the Gripen should be at most $30 million a unit.


The Namibians haven't signed a contract for the J-10 yet, so we cannot say for sure.

Henry240, all the information you have about the Gripen is publicly available information. Classified systems that you and I know are not aware of are also part of the bill. Henry240, just because you have certain Googled info about a product then you think you're the expect.

Your views and feelings about the Gripen won't change the prices. If your military can't afford a $65 million machine then don't go bitching about it.

patches689:
I dont like it either

It alos means we would get sh1tty chinese vessels... a crime when such lovely platforms are on offer from the private sector

And it will mean that we will be giving the Chinese access to one of the most restricted sites in the country

While further... whats the point in assembling something from China? Welding LEGO together does not build up skills.

This whole thing stinks, I used to see Biro as an exciting oppertunity, now I am waiting for the announcement with dread

The opposition should enquire why a foreign company has been given access to our strategic naval base especially since no contract has been formally awarded.

giles14:
u dey mind d RSA's ,dey think n see d Chinese as technology thieves,forgetting dat most of those their acclaimed weapon were developed and transferred to dem by Israel during d apartheid era

It's amazing that people claim that South African weapons were transferred from Israel or US. So tell me, which country made something similar to these?

Now tell me, which country had something like the:

- Ratel, a mine protected IFV/ tank destroyer?
- Rooikat, a highly mobile long range recon and tank destroyer?
- Buffel?
- Casppir?
- Mamba APC?
- Nyala?
- Infezi, MRAP ambulance?
- G5 artillery?
- G6 howitzer on its mine protected platform?
- NTW 20?

Those are just few..

chkil:
may be the same thing that use some israelian SF

I don't think so, why the hello would the SANDF want to use that.

tdayof:
Chinese Poly Technologies Partners With Denel To Build Naval Vessels For South Africa


https://www.defenseworld.net/uploads//news/big/denel_sig_1474438884.jpg
Denel and Poly Technologies have signed a Memorandum of Understanding to join forces in SA’s maritime rejuvenation.
Poly Technologies aims to take a stake in the Simons Town shipyard and join Denel in constructing three naval vessels. The strategic alliance was signed on 16 September by Denel’s acting Group CEO Zwelakhe Ntshepe and the Vice President of Poly Technologies Inc, Liu Jianmin at the Africa Aerospace and Defence (AAD) exhibition at Air Force Base Waterkloof.
Poly Technologies is likely to make an investment in the recapitalization of the Simons Town dockyard as part of its management takeover by Denel Integrated Systems and Maritime (Denel ISM). Denel officials declined to give the figure of the Chinese investment and a press statement from Denel only said that the two state owned companies would combine to collaborate in the rejuvenation and growth of the local maritime sector. More immediately, the two companies will collaborate in the construction of three naval vessels for the SA Navy.
Poly Technologies is involved in almost every defence sector including dockyard construction, ship building, tank and armoured vehicle manufacturing, and fighter aircraft production.
Denel did say that it would build three vessels for the South African navy with Poly Technologies in either Simons Town or Durban. This will presumably be if Poly Technologies wins the SA Navy’s Projects Biro and Hotel for hydrographic, inshore and offshore patrol vessels.
The designs Poly Technologies is offering include a Hydrographic Survey Vessel (HSV43 4300T), which will have an overall length of 100.9 m and a displacement of 4 300 tons.

I don't like the deal... That would mean Denel will be getting the contract to build vessels. This is not good for other ship builders in the country. I mean Paramount Group has lovely vessels.

Henry240:
No bro, that's not the point. The point is by virtue of Gottfried21 being Namibian, a military personnel and a rebel (description totally he's, after he shared the A-10 photos from the American air base), he would be privy to snippets, and body language of Namibian Air Force leadership. Snippets are not entirely true, they just provide a mental picture.


For example i can guess what the Nigerian military would get, also in numbers based on body language of senior leadership, past acquisition modes and tiny information clues they leave along the way.

Mmmh, as much as the Gripen is not worth the cost to some BUT you get what you pay for with the Chinese.... I won't be surprised to hear about multi systems failure. If I want to go cheap, I'll rather buy the Russian Yak-130 or the US made Textron Scorpion since the BDF are good US buddies.

Just stay away from Chinese things.