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PoliticsRe: Youth Alliance Group Supports Fuel Subsidy Removal by ade80: 1:23am On Jan 05, 2012
2million barrels of crude daily@ $100 dollars per barrel.
We have income from maritime, gas, taxes etc, we are just suffering from gross mismanagement and corruption and that has to be dealt with before any meaningful development can take place.
PoliticsRe: Youth Alliance Group Supports Fuel Subsidy Removal by ade80: 1:15am On Jan 05, 2012
What about the 3trillion excess crude money made by the government last year
PoliticsRe: Breaking News: Fuel Subsidy Removed by ade80: 6:02pm On Jan 03, 2012
Yes, if she is earning millions has monthly salary while minimum wage is 18,000,
She doesn't buy fuel cause it is covered by govt. And she says we should make sacrifices
She should show the way by stating their monthly allowances and how they intend
to cut it down
They should bring the so called cabal to book and let us know that they are no sacred cows. The govt has just suceeded in letting the Cabal go free.
PoliticsRe: Nigerians Speak On Removal Of Fuel Subsidy by ade80: 4:10pm On Jan 03, 2012
This is all basic mathematics. Anyone who went to school will work out that this fuel subsidy noise is a LIE or at best gross exaggeration.

FIRST OF ALL, ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU THAT NIGERIA SPENDS $500 million ON FUEL SUBSIDIES MONTHLY IS A THIEF.

This is basic mathematics and a fact.
They can claim that the give out $500 million in subsidy money monthly. That is between them and their thieving companies and friends.

Let's break it down:

Nigeria produces crude oil. Other countries produce crude oil.
Nigeria has 4 refineries with total installed capacity of 445,000 barrels per day (or whatever the NNPC claims nowadays).
Nigeria's refineries are not working at full capacity.
Crude oil is refined to PMS (Premium Motor Spirit) aka Petrol.
Nigerians use PMS to fuel vehicles, generators and other things.
PMS is traded internationally at a particular rate that varies.
Other countries that produce Crude oil refine it and sell to their citizens at whatever rate they please (irrespective of international rates).
Nigeria monthly PMS consumption = Locally refined + Imported refined (at International Rates)
Nigeria sells PMS to citizens for N65/litre
Subsidy = Amount paid to PMS importers for difference between International Rates for Imported Refined and N65/litre.

Example = Importers buy fuel internationally today from Venezuela at N120/ litre for example, they bring into Nigeria and sell for N65/litre. In order for said Importers not to lose N55/litre, the Nigerian Government pays N55/litre balance. This balance is the SUBSIDY.

Problem 1: Due to corruption, Nigerian officials collude with Government officials and claim to have imported more fuel than they actually bring in.

Example: Mr. Otedola's company may only bring in 1 million litres per day but claim to bring in 2 million litres per day. And like in previous example, The Government officials will pay N110 million per day (N 55/litre subisdy x 2 million litres) instead of N55 million (N55/litre subsidy x 1 million litres).

Problem 2: Due to corruption, Fuel importers collude with Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (who by the way are in charge of the locally refined) and Government officials to buy the Locally refined and claim that the said quantities of petroleum where in fact imported into the country at international rates.

Example: Ms. Deziani's accomplices may buy 1 million litres per day of petroleum from the NNPC for N65 million and then claim that this quantity was bought at N120 million internationally (N120/litre international rate x 1 million) . They would then proceed to collect N55 million (N120 milion - N65 million) from the Nigerian Government as subsidy payment.

Problem 3:Due to corruption and inadequate monitoring, Fuel importers collude with Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (who by the way are in charge of the locally refined) and Government officials to fraudulently under-report the quantities of locally refined PMS so they can purchase the more from the local refineries and claim to have imported said quantities (problem 2)

Example: The NNPC may claim to refine only 2 million litres per day when it in fact refines 4 million litres per day. The remaining 2 million litres would then be sold to their partners in crime at N65/ litre. These partners will proceed to sell these quantities to the Nigerian populace while demanding N55 subsidy per litre from the Nigerian Government after claiming that this 2 million litres/day were imported from Venezuela or other country. This example is highlighted by the inability of the NNPC to give account of the actual quantities it refines daily.


Therefore taking into consideration that

Subsidy = Amount paid to PMS importers for difference between International Rates for Imported Refined and N65/litre.

and the extent of problems 1, 2, and 3, it becomes easy to see why the true cost to Nigeria of the fuel subsidy may not exceed $100 -$150 million/ month.

Once again, I put forward that

ANYONE WHO CLAIMS THAT NIGERIA TRULY SPENDS $500 million ON FUEL SUBSIDIES MONTHLY IS A THIEF.


Why do Nigerians need a fuel subsidy??

Do average Nigerians really benefit from a fuel subsidy??

Interesting questions. Let me rephrase that.

Do average Nigerians benefit from buying PMS at N65/litre instead of N120, N130, or N140/litrehuh
I think a monkey can answer that.

1. The average Nigerian buys PMS to fuel his/her car i.e N500 daily.
2. The average Nigerian takes public transport in vehicles that use PMS at certain amount i.e N50 per trip.
3. The average Nigerian buys PMS to fuel his generator i.e N1000 daily.
4. The average Nigerian buys food (bread, vegetables, fish) which is transported across the country in Vehicles that use fuel.

No subsidy equals

1. The average Nigerian needs PMS worth N1000 for his/her car daily.
2. The average Nigerian takes public transport at a new amount i.e N80 per trip.
3. The average Nigerian buys PMS to fuel his generator i.e N2000 daily
4. The average Nigerian buys food (bread, vegetables, fish) at a much higher price.

it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the average Nigerian benefits significantly from the lower cost of PMS.

It would be hard to find a Nigerian in Nigeria who wants the price of PMS to rise. It is a slap in the face of average Nigerians for ekt-bear and friends to claim that removing the subsidy will not have a tremendous negative impact on Nigerians. It is easy to sit in the U.S.A and claim that doubling the price of PMS in Nigeria will have no impact on the populace. Akin to saying an increase in gasoline prices in the U.S.A to $7/gallon today will have no significant effect on the populace.

Does corruption allow unscrupulous individuals to benefit from the subsidization of PMS?? Yes.
But why does the average Nigerian have to get shafted for this?? Why not tackle corruption instead??

Solutions.

A. Ascertain the true quantities of PMS locally produced daily.
B. Ascertain the true total quantities of PMS consumed daily nationwide.

Subract A from B and arrive at the true quantity of PMS imported at international rates (This value will then be subsidized)

By tackling corruption, the cost of subsidization can be brought down to no more than $100 million per month.


Solution Part 2 - By bringing refineries to optimum operating capacity and building new refineries.
Locally refined PMS can exceed Locally consumed PMS.

Mythical Solution= Remove the subsidy and hope that the supposed $500 million/ month that is currently being used to compensate corrupt entities will translate into development and improvement for the average Nigerian.

The question now remains, does increasing the burden on the average Nigerian guarantee the resolution of the problem??


PS: Problem 4: Overestimating the total nationwide PMS consumption allows fuel importers and the NNPC to further perpetrate fraud.


Also, please note that selling locally refined PMS at N65/litre is still a profitable venture for the NNPC.
PoliticsRe: Fuel Subsidy Removed - Full Transcript Of Press Release From The Pppra by ade80: 3:57pm On Jan 03, 2012
This is all basic mathematics. Anyone who went to school will work out that this fuel subsidy noise is a LIE or at best gross exaggeration.

FIRST OF ALL, ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU THAT NIGERIA SPENDS $500 million ON FUEL SUBSIDIES MONTHLY IS A THIEF.

This is basic mathematics and a fact.
They can claim that the give out $500 million in subsidy money monthly. That is between them and their thieving companies and friends.

Let's break it down:

Nigeria produces crude oil. Other countries produce crude oil.
Nigeria has 4 refineries with total installed capacity of 445,000 barrels per day (or whatever the NNPC claims nowadays).
Nigeria's refineries are not working at full capacity.
Crude oil is refined to PMS (Premium Motor Spirit) aka Petrol.
Nigerians use PMS to fuel vehicles, generators and other things.
PMS is traded internationally at a particular rate that varies.
Other countries that produce Crude oil refine it and sell to their citizens at whatever rate they please (irrespective of international rates).
Nigeria monthly PMS consumption = Locally refined + Imported refined (at International Rates)
Nigeria sells PMS to citizens for N65/litre
Subsidy = Amount paid to PMS importers for difference between International Rates for Imported Refined and N65/litre.

Example = Importers buy fuel internationally today from Venezuela at N120/ litre for example, they bring into Nigeria and sell for N65/litre. In order for said Importers not to lose N55/litre, the Nigerian Government pays N55/litre balance. This balance is the SUBSIDY.

Problem 1: Due to corruption, Nigerian officials collude with Government officials and claim to have imported more fuel than they actually bring in.

Example: Mr. Otedola's company may only bring in 1 million litres per day but claim to bring in 2 million litres per day. And like in previous example, The Government officials will pay N110 million per day (N 55/litre subisdy x 2 million litres) instead of N55 million (N55/litre subsidy x 1 million litres).

Problem 2: Due to corruption, Fuel importers collude with Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (who by the way are in charge of the locally refined) and Government officials to buy the Locally refined and claim that the said quantities of petroleum where in fact imported into the country at international rates.

Example: Ms. Deziani's accomplices may buy 1 million litres per day of petroleum from the NNPC for N65 million and then claim that this quantity was bought at N120 million internationally (N120/litre international rate x 1 million) . They would then proceed to collect N55 million (N120 milion - N65 million) from the Nigerian Government as subsidy payment.

Problem 3:Due to corruption and inadequate monitoring, Fuel importers collude with Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (who by the way are in charge of the locally refined) and Government officials to fraudulently under-report the quantities of locally refined PMS so they can purchase the more from the local refineries and claim to have imported said quantities (problem 2)

Example: The NNPC may claim to refine only 2 million litres per day when it in fact refines 4 million litres per day. The remaining 2 million litres would then be sold to their partners in crime at N65/ litre. These partners will proceed to sell these quantities to the Nigerian populace while demanding N55 subsidy per litre from the Nigerian Government after claiming that this 2 million litres/day were imported from Venezuela or other country. This example is highlighted by the inability of the NNPC to give account of the actual quantities it refines daily.


Therefore taking into consideration that

Subsidy = Amount paid to PMS importers for difference between International Rates for Imported Refined and N65/litre.

and the extent of problems 1, 2, and 3, it becomes easy to see why the true cost to Nigeria of the fuel subsidy may not exceed $100 -$150 million/ month.

Once again, I put forward that

ANYONE WHO CLAIMS THAT NIGERIA TRULY SPENDS $500 million ON FUEL SUBSIDIES MONTHLY IS A THIEF.


Why do Nigerians need a fuel subsidy??

Do average Nigerians really benefit from a fuel subsidy??

Interesting questions. Let me rephrase that.

Do average Nigerians benefit from buying PMS at N65/litre instead of N120, N130, or N140/litrehuh
I think a monkey can answer that.

1. The average Nigerian buys PMS to fuel his/her car i.e N500 daily.
2. The average Nigerian takes public transport in vehicles that use PMS at certain amount i.e N50 per trip.
3. The average Nigerian buys PMS to fuel his generator i.e N1000 daily.
4. The average Nigerian buys food (bread, vegetables, fish) which is transported across the country in Vehicles that use fuel.

No subsidy equals

1. The average Nigerian needs PMS worth N1000 for his/her car daily.
2. The average Nigerian takes public transport at a new amount i.e N80 per trip.
3. The average Nigerian buys PMS to fuel his generator i.e N2000 daily
4. The average Nigerian buys food (bread, vegetables, fish) at a much higher price.

it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the average Nigerian benefits significantly from the lower cost of PMS.

It would be hard to find a Nigerian in Nigeria who wants the price of PMS to rise. It is a slap in the face of average Nigerians for ekt-bear and friends to claim that removing the subsidy will not have a tremendous negative impact on Nigerians. It is easy to sit in the U.S.A and claim that doubling the price of PMS in Nigeria will have no impact on the populace. Akin to saying an increase in gasoline prices in the U.S.A to $7/gallon today will have no significant effect on the populace.

Does corruption allow unscrupulous individuals to benefit from the subsidization of PMS?? Yes.
But why does the average Nigerian have to get shafted for this?? Why not tackle corruption instead??

Solutions.

A. Ascertain the true quantities of PMS locally produced daily.
B. Ascertain the true total quantities of PMS consumed daily nationwide.

Subract A from B and arrive at the true quantity of PMS imported at international rates (This value will then be subsidized)

By tackling corruption, the cost of subsidization can be brought down to no more than $100 million per month.


Solution Part 2 - By bringing refineries to optimum operating capacity and building new refineries.
Locally refined PMS can exceed Locally consumed PMS.

Mythical Solution= Remove the subsidy and hope that the supposed $500 million/ month that is currently being used to compensate corrupt entities will translate into development and improvement for the average Nigerian.

The question now remains, does increasing the burden on the average Nigerian guarantee the resolution of the problem??


PS: Problem 4: Overestimating the total nationwide PMS consumption allows fuel importers and the NNPC to further perpetrate fraud.


Also, please note that selling locally refined PMS at N65/litre is still a profitable venture for the NNPC.
PoliticsRe: Breaking News: Fuel Subsidy Removed by ade80: 3:46pm On Jan 03, 2012
This is all basic mathematics. Anyone who went to school will work out that this fuel subsidy noise is a LIE or at best gross exaggeration.

FIRST OF ALL, ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU THAT NIGERIA SPENDS $500 million ON FUEL SUBSIDIES MONTHLY IS A THIEF.

This is basic mathematics and a fact.
They can claim that the give out $500 million in subsidy money monthly. That is between them and their thieving companies and friends.

Let's break it down:

Nigeria produces crude oil. Other countries produce crude oil.
Nigeria has 4 refineries with total installed capacity of 445,000 barrels per day (or whatever the NNPC claims nowadays).
Nigeria's refineries are not working at full capacity.
Crude oil is refined to PMS (Premium Motor Spirit) aka Petrol.
Nigerians use PMS to fuel vehicles, generators and other things.
PMS is traded internationally at a particular rate that varies.
Other countries that produce Crude oil refine it and sell to their citizens at whatever rate they please (irrespective of international rates).
Nigeria monthly PMS consumption = Locally refined + Imported refined (at International Rates)
Nigeria sells PMS to citizens for N65/litre
Subsidy = Amount paid to PMS importers for difference between International Rates for Imported Refined and N65/litre.

Example = Importers buy fuel internationally today from Venezuela at N120/ litre for example, they bring into Nigeria and sell for N65/litre. In order for said Importers not to lose N55/litre, the Nigerian Government pays N55/litre balance. This balance is the SUBSIDY.

Problem 1: Due to corruption, Nigerian officials collude with Government officials and claim to have imported more fuel than they actually bring in.

Example: Mr. Otedola's company may only bring in 1 million litres per day but claim to bring in 2 million litres per day. And like in previous example, The Government officials will pay N110 million per day (N 55/litre subisdy x 2 million litres) instead of N55 million (N55/litre subsidy x 1 million litres).

Problem 2: Due to corruption, Fuel importers collude with Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (who by the way are in charge of the locally refined) and Government officials to buy the Locally refined and claim that the said quantities of petroleum where in fact imported into the country at international rates.

Example: Ms. Deziani's accomplices may buy 1 million litres per day of petroleum from the NNPC for N65 million and then claim that this quantity was bought at N120 million internationally (N120/litre international rate x 1 million) . They would then proceed to collect N55 million (N120 milion - N65 million) from the Nigerian Government as subsidy payment.

Problem 3:Due to corruption and inadequate monitoring, Fuel importers collude with Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (who by the way are in charge of the locally refined) and Government officials to fraudulently under-report the quantities of locally refined PMS so they can purchase the more from the local refineries and claim to have imported said quantities (problem 2)

Example: The NNPC may claim to refine only 2 million litres per day when it in fact refines 4 million litres per day. The remaining 2 million litres would then be sold to their partners in crime at N65/ litre. These partners will proceed to sell these quantities to the Nigerian populace while demanding N55 subsidy per litre from the Nigerian Government after claiming that this 2 million litres/day were imported from Venezuela or other country. This example is highlighted by the inability of the NNPC to give account of the actual quantities it refines daily.


Therefore taking into consideration that

Subsidy = Amount paid to PMS importers for difference between International Rates for Imported Refined and N65/litre.

and the extent of problems 1, 2, and 3, it becomes easy to see why the true cost to Nigeria of the fuel subsidy may not exceed $100 -$150 million/ month.

Once again, I put forward that

ANYONE WHO CLAIMS THAT NIGERIA TRULY SPENDS $500 million ON FUEL SUBSIDIES MONTHLY IS A THIEF.


Why do Nigerians need a fuel subsidy??

Do average Nigerians really benefit from a fuel subsidy??

Interesting questions. Let me rephrase that.

Do average Nigerians benefit from buying PMS at N65/litre instead of N120, N130, or N140/litrehuh
I think a monkey can answer that.

1. The average Nigerian buys PMS to fuel his/her car i.e N500 daily.
2. The average Nigerian takes public transport in vehicles that use PMS at certain amount i.e N50 per trip.
3. The average Nigerian buys PMS to fuel his generator i.e N1000 daily.
4. The average Nigerian buys food (bread, vegetables, fish) which is transported across the country in Vehicles that use fuel.

No subsidy equals

1. The average Nigerian needs PMS worth N1000 for his/her car daily.
2. The average Nigerian takes public transport at a new amount i.e N80 per trip.
3. The average Nigerian buys PMS to fuel his generator i.e N2000 daily
4. The average Nigerian buys food (bread, vegetables, fish) at a much higher price.

it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the average Nigerian benefits significantly from the lower cost of PMS.

It would be hard to find a Nigerian in Nigeria who wants the price of PMS to rise. It is a slap in the face of average Nigerians for ekt-bear and friends to claim that removing the subsidy will not have a tremendous negative impact on Nigerians. It is easy to sit in the U.S.A and claim that doubling the price of PMS in Nigeria will have no impact on the populace. Akin to saying an increase in gasoline prices in the U.S.A to $7/gallon today will have no significant effect on the populace.

Does corruption allow unscrupulous individuals to benefit from the subsidization of PMS?? Yes.
But why does the average Nigerian have to get shafted for this?? Why not tackle corruption instead??

Solutions.

A. Ascertain the true quantities of PMS locally produced daily.
B. Ascertain the true total quantities of PMS consumed daily nationwide.

Subract A from B and arrive at the true quantity of PMS imported at international rates (This value will then be subsidized)

By tackling corruption, the cost of subsidization can be brought down to no more than $100 million per month.


Solution Part 2 - By bringing refineries to optimum operating capacity and building new refineries.
Locally refined PMS can exceed Locally consumed PMS.

Mythical Solution= Remove the subsidy and hope that the supposed $500 million/ month that is currently being used to compensate corrupt entities will translate into development and improvement for the average Nigerian.

The question now remains, does increasing the burden on the average Nigerian guarantee the resolution of the problem??


PS: Problem 4: Overestimating the total nationwide PMS consumption allows fuel importers and the NNPC to further perpetrate fraud.


Also, please note that selling locally refined PMS at N65/litre is still a profitable venture for the NNPC.
PoliticsRe: Stop Moaning... Petrol Is 326.21 Naira a litre in the UK! by ade80: 2:02pm On Jan 03, 2012
marvel10:
How can't you compare the UK to Nigeria? Our currencies once traded 1GBP to 1NGN. If we have mismanaged things to such an extent today, whose fault is it? Of course, the OP!
7 years ago, some Brazillians would have argued the same thing. But, look! Today their economy has overtaken that of the UK. They are not a bunch of tax evading, verbally abusive, unruly, intellectually and physically lazy magpies. If we exported abuse and binding, we would be the leading nation.
you probably have light and don't run gen in UK,
you also use unleaded fuel as against the leaded fuel in nigeria
you have good medicals and free schools,
i spend as much money on my car as i do on my gen
so there is no basis for comparision
PoliticsRe: And So The Rip Off Ended by ade80: 1:41pm On Jan 03, 2012
Nigeria's fuel leaded same price as America's unleaded fuel,
this is an outrage.
PoliticsRe: Breaking News: Fuel Subsidy Removed by ade80: 8:48am On Jan 03, 2012
For people comparing Nigeria to America , they use unleaded fuel there and we use leaded fuel which causes a lot of health problems so there is no basis for comparison. Research and you will see the dangers of leaded fuel on a persons health
PoliticsRe: Breaking News: Fuel Subsidy Removed by ade80: 8:18am On Jan 02, 2012
If govt paid 400billion has subsidy in 2010, how did it jump to 1.3trillion in 2011.
What about the fuel refined locally, will that also be sold at 141?
Shouldn't govt take on this cabal and make them pay all the money they have stolen
If we actually know how much fuel Nigeria consumes, why does the govt keep paying excess
Subsidy to the cabal without confirming if the fuel was actually brought into the country.
We all know that this people bring the fuel into Nigeria and discharge them to other ships on the
High sea. Govt should start by bringing this people to book first
PoliticsRe: Fashola Inspects Ikoyi Bridge Now At 80% Completion. Pics by ade80: 9:12pm On Dec 23, 2011
Don't say that, I've been abroad and a lot of the bills paid there are also paid here. Remember that a lot of people there get things on credit that's why the bills are huge. Everything here is cashed based. My friends complain whenever they are in Nigeria that the basic things are very expensive. Do you know how much an average Nigerian spends on petrol and we still have to pay light bills.
So please tell me the bills they pay that we don't pay over here. Yes they pay tolls but the alternatives are as good as the tolled roads. In my opinion, the bridge should be tolled instead Afterall it is an entirely new project.


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PoliticsRe: Fashola Inspects Ikoyi Bridge Now At 80% Completion. Pics by ade80: 11:08pm On Dec 21, 2011
If the project started in 2009 and is 80% complete now,
Why is the date for completion dec 2012
PoliticsRe: Fashola Inspects Ikoyi Bridge Now At 80% Completion. Pics by ade80: 10:57pm On Dec 21, 2011
naptu2:
You can't really see the bridge from those pics posted earlier. You have to go to the crescent opposite. I took these pics about a week and a half ago. Please forgive me for any mistakes, still getting used to posting pics here.
I think this bridge should be tolled instead of lekki epe expressway.
PoliticsRe: Occupy Lekki: Lekki Toll Gate Protest-update by ade80: 3:17pm On Dec 20, 2011
PoliticsRe: Occupy Lekki: Lekki Toll Gate Protest-update by ade80: 2:58pm On Dec 20, 2011
Kobojunkie:
Lekki Coastal Road IS the Lekki Expressway, according also to Tunde Fashola himself.

How that Expressway is now in the hands of Federal, Lord knows. The Shoreline road however which LASG proposed back in 2009 to quell the worries of the people back then is still on paper and not out yet.
http://appablog./2008/06/18/nigeria-afdb-approves-us-85-million-for-lekki-toll-road-project/
please check this link and comment. This was written in 2008

http://www.lcc.com.ng/
PoliticsRe: Occupy Lekki: Lekki Toll Gate Protest-update by ade80: 2:34pm On Dec 20, 2011
Akainzo:
The coastal road is a federal government project and not a Lagos State initiative. This is why I doubt that the coastal road would have been awarded to LCC as part of its agreement with Lagos, when all the landing points in other states have not yet been settled. I know cos a friend of mine is part of the project consultants.
why not call your friend and comfirm
PoliticsRe: Occupy Lekki: Lekki Toll Gate Protest-update by ade80: 2:20pm On Dec 20, 2011
Akainzo:
The coastal road is a Federal project that is supposed to run from Lagos all the way to Cross Rivers state. That is still currently in the planning stage. However, once completed, people can use it as an alternative to the Lekki-Epe expressway as it would also land in Epe and somewhere behind Ikorodu.

For now the existing alternative is in Oniru.
that is not true construct a new road and toll, nobody will complain don't repair and toll the only existing road while walling up the other alternatives e.g shoprite road that was there before
PoliticsRe: Occupy Lekki: Lekki Toll Gate Protest-update by ade80: 2:01pm On Dec 20, 2011
Kobojunkie:
That is what has been bothering me about the development. The Government had enough time to put together a better route . . . it could have even worked on using a route it could maybe add another route to, but instead it chose a one-road backyard route, not even fit for expressway kind of traffic. Why?

Another question is why did the work done on the road cost about $10 million US dollars/mile considering the N50 billion(~$300 million dollars) cost as suggested by some of here?
well that's nigeria for you, they govt is used to the people taking whatever they are given so they don't believe anyone will stand against them for long
and unfortunately that is always what happens
how do you justify paying taxes, insuring your car, spending money daily on generator to light your house, sandfilling your street to get home and now tolling the only viable road to your house, remember there is no tax refund in naija
PoliticsRe: Occupy Lekki: Lekki Toll Gate Protest-update by ade80: 12:33pm On Dec 20, 2011
Akainzo:
Many people that pass that toll plaza are not going to the airport, the toll gate is for the Airport - Ikeja bye-pass and not on the airport road itself. You can go from Oshodi to either Airports without paying toll. In fact you can go to all the three terminals in Lagos without paying any toll at the airport toll gate!

Most take it as an alternative and are willing to pay, rather than go through the Apapa Oshodi expressway. Those people staying in Ikeja and working along Apapa-Oshodi do pay that toll daily. But they are grateful as they avoid the Ikeja-Oshodi-Apapa route.
you just said it all the airport -ikeja bye-pass is an alternative, the alternative road was tolled.
PoliticsRe: Occupy Lekki: Lekki Toll Gate Protest-update by ade80: 12:20pm On Dec 20, 2011
Akainzo:
To everyone parroting that the Lekki road leads to a purely residential are, let it be known that the official name for that road for more than a decade is Lekki-Epe Expressway. It is a highway, a trunk B road that has now been reclassified as Trunk A. That road was never residential as it was built and is being maintained as a highway.

BTW, while the tolling was in place on the Sagamu-Benin expressway, why were there no protests on behalf of the poor villagers living along its path, or was that expressway built and all villages bordering it evacuated? Note that while it was in place, the poor villagers in Okada town had to pay toll to go see their relatives in Benin. The poor villagers in Obigbo also paid toll to go work daily while commuting to Port-Harcourt in Rivers State, were there protest then?

From the way I see it, this protests are more political/sentimental than anything else. People are being riled based on the perceived beneficiary or owner of the company while they do rough calculations of what the toll plazas would generate yearly. They however fail to calculate the costs in salaries, road repairs and infrastructure maintenance over the life of the concession.

Tolling is not new in Nigeria, and highways can be tolled anywhere else in the world. Nigeria isn’t an exception.
the money is going to a private company not the government
we contribute money for transformers, poles and even wire before we have light,
we sand fill the roads in front of our houses before we can get home
we provide our own water,
we pay phcn bills though we have no light
now we have to pay before we get home
and before we can drive our children to school.
why was the toll gate not placed on ozumba where the renovation began,
why where all other alternate routes fenced off by Lcc
why was the coastal road they signed up for not constructed.
why did the govt pay for the construction of bourdillion road
why did't they use ppp for orile badagry road which is much more expensive
PoliticsRe: Occupy Lekki: Lekki Toll Gate Protest-update by ade80: 12:09pm On Dec 20, 2011
1.  Lcc signed an agreement to construct a coastal road from ahmadu bello way to epe and the road was to be tolled
2. Rather than construct the new road they signed, they decided to renovate the lekki- epe expressway which was cheaper for them
3. They renovation started from ozumba mbadiwe road but they decided to place the toll after oriental hotel instead.
tinubu owns oriental and he is the chairman of lcc, wake up and stop enriching one man.

http://g.co/maps/vrhpu
PoliticsRe: Occupy Lekki: Lekki Toll Gate Protest-update by ade80: 10:47pm On Dec 19, 2011
dayokanu:
But not all road in lagos state have been renovated like the Lekki -Epe road.

But they singled out Lekki road for renovation and not the road in Alagbado or Ayobo
Dayokanu, surulere, ikoyi and other roads have also been renovated but are not being tolled.
PoliticsRe: Occupy Lekki: Lekki Toll Gate Protest-update by ade80: 10:44pm On Dec 19, 2011
baksonlee:
They have only tolling one road and you are on here crying, heaven knows what would happen if they toll more roads

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120 per trip
  7200 per month
86,400 per year
Now multiply by 200,000cars
17,280,000,000.00 generated annually
For 30years to a privately owned coy for a road that
Costs 50billion. Haba
PoliticsRe: Occupy Lekki: Lekki Toll Gate Protest-update by ade80: 10:27pm On Dec 19, 2011
dayokanu:
All the advanced countries as well as developing countries pay tax and also toll roads

Then let Lasg toll all the roads they constructed in the past two years and not single out lekki.
PoliticsRe: Occupy Lekki: Lekki Toll Gate Protest-update by ade80: 9:40pm On Dec 19, 2011
Lasg can as well stop collecting taxes and toll all roads
PoliticsRe: Victory At Last: FG Cancels Lekki Toll Gate Charges by ade80: 9:32pm On Dec 19, 2011
endmoll:
For those of you who are crying about paying at the toll gate, if you can afford to buy a car worth millions of naira then you should shut your mouth and pay for the freaking toll.
Many of you always refer and talk of western countries forgeting that there  citizens are the ones that helped make there country what it is today. So any body coming here to

make noise about the toll should suck it up and move to Ajegunle were he or she will not pay toll PERIOD.
Every one of us wants to go to heaven but we are all afraid to die,for us to attain to a developed nation we must learn how to first pay taxes and pay for the services that we enjoy be it electricity,water,road,healthcare and then being accountable.
I hate the when people come out here to make noise and think every thing should be free because they are citizens of the earth thereby it is there birth right to have a those amnesties without paying for it.
Most of us who come out here to yell at the government most times can't even manage there own families but they have a perfect vision of how a country should be run. I am not saying that every thing is going well in Nigeria but we need to look inwards at our self,the change we need has to start from me and you before the government can change.
Who are the government? This the question we need to ask ourselves,until we get to the answer that is when we can start to have visible change in our comunity
So you mean becos someone can afford a suv he should be made to pay tolls what about the other newly constructed roads in other parts of Lagos why were they not tolled after all people have SUVs in those areas too if govt wants to impose tolls it should be done everywhere Ikoyi, VI, Banana Island, surulere, festac, Lagos island
PoliticsRe: Occupy Lekki: Lekki Toll Gate Protest-update by ade80: 9:14pm On Dec 19, 2011
[quote author=Akanbi_edu link=topic=827167.msg9799011#msg9799011 date=1324323670]N150 is too small sef for SUVs, shior.[/quote]Politicians steal all the money for development and people have to pay huge amounts for Medicals, school fees, petrol to run their generators, taxes, tenement rates, you have to buy water, you pay for security, and now tolls to get back home. Nothing is free in Nigeria.  Pls get ur facts before posting in sensitive comments. 105,000 is too much money to pay on tolls.
PoliticsRe: Victory At Last: FG Cancels Lekki Toll Gate Charges by ade80: 7:14pm On Dec 19, 2011
Orikinla:
The Lagos State Government explained the need and provided alternative routes for those who do not want to use the Lekki Toll Gate.

Those protesting are just noisemakers.

They spend more than that making unnecessary calls and sending useless text messages on their mobile phones.
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In that case bode Thomas road has been repaired I think they should toll it and the  orile - Badagry road too.
PoliticsRe: Is "Occupy Lekki " Over? by ade80: 1:39pm On Dec 19, 2011
2AMLasgidi:
Why it failed,

1. The Protest and agitation against the toll on the Lekki-Epe Axis  was ill adviced especially by those who has issues with LAGOS State government on political grounds. The Likes of Bode George jumping forward to lead a campaign against Tolling, already this pushed people with genuine issues against the project off the protest. When a masses oriented agitation is reduced to a political weapon it will fall woefully.

2. Most of those who claim to be leading the Protest are insincere, the like of Ebun Olu-Adegboruwa who has been evading tax in Lagos for years and already have a paper served him in that respect.

3. They did not make realistic demand to LCC/LASG. I am of the opinion that the politicians among them blurred their mindset. Ordinarily a responsible demand should included the following
      a. Reduction of the toll price by 50%
      b. reduce toll point to 2 points instead of 3 as currently done.
      c. make the alternative road more accessible by improving the facilities like street light, rid the road of abandonned vehicles and security

If we benchmark it against developed and developing countries in Malaysia you have 6 Toll Gates in a road of about 100km. They pay tax too. Good thing doesn't come cheap. In the UK, you have to pay for a parking slot even in your workplace.

Yoruba have a proverb "Ile ti a ba fi ito mo, eeri lo ma nwo danu" (A house built with saliva will be distroyed by dew)

If LCC/LASG can guarantee regular maintenance of the infrastructure and the road is well looked after, you gotta pay, guys. That's the way it is.
Bouradillon road were all the politicians and megarich stay was repaired but the road was not tolled, if you feel it is fair for a family whose children school in  Victoria Island  to pay a toll of N480 daily just for school runs then there is something wrong with this country, by the way, in addition to taxes , i also pay an annual tenement rate to lagos state govenment.
PoliticsRe: Occupy Lekki: Lekki Toll Gate Protest-update by ade80: 1:21pm On Dec 19, 2011
Ola one:
In the UK, you have to pay for a parking slot in your workplace.

If they can guarantee judicious use of the money, and the road is well looked after, you gotta pay, guys. That's the way it is. You have to embrace development.
What joy do you derive from driving a 25 million naira car on a road that is riddled with pot holes?


What joy does a Naija rich man derive in flying first class only to get to Lagos and drive the whole stretch of road called the 3rd Mainland Bridge without street lights? Which is more dangerous? Class of flight or a dangerous road? It seems crazy and stooopid.

I am sorry.
In the uk, the the people don't have to pay school fees for young children and they have free medical services we don't have that over here so don't compare nigeria to uk

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