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No wonder Afam dey behave like motor park tout. . .typical ESUT graduate!

It is better to behave like a motor park tout than to take scamming as a full time job in UK. See you see jail, it's just a matter of time people will get to know you for who you really are.

A good reason to push for a new and comfortable official language - Pidgin English

Very proud graduate of ESUT.

All the bad mouthing aside, ESUT graduates fare well outside school, from the oil and gas to banks to even business.

N-joy:
[b]I can now see the reasoning of the people who don't live in Nigeria are certainly warped and demented. [/b]How can someone insinuate or postulate that because each state in America issues a driver's license, hence it should be the same in Nigeria? Is the American law that allows each state to have a different legal system the same in Nigeria? Each state should have their own police force in Nigeria as is done i America - because its done in America that way - does it justify that it should be done in Nigeria - even when there is nothing in the law of the land that calls for that?

You are absolutely right, one cannot imagine the type of nonsense some of these people put down here. Little wonder dem talk say even if you carry pig go US na pig e go still remain.

Every day the quality of discussion on this forum (politics) keeps going down thanks to the crazy views of some Nigerians especially those living outside Nigeria.

From my inbox.

Na wah for US with its double standard and hypocrisy.

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"A Dirty War"

The Al Deira Hotel, in Gaza City, is a haven of calm in a
land beset by poverty, fear, and violence. In the middle
of December 2007, I sit in the hotel's airy restaurant,
its windows open to the Mediterranean, and listen to a
slight, bearded man named Mazen Asad abu Dan describe the
suffering he endured 11 months before at the hands of his
fellow Palestinians. Abu Dan, 28, is a member of Hamas,
the Iranian-backed Islamist organization that has been
designated a terrorist group by the United States, but
I have a good reason for taking him at his word: I've
seen the video.

It shows abu Dan kneeling, his hands bound behind his back,
and screaming as his captors pummel him with a black iron
rod. "I lost all the skin on my back from the beatings,"
he says. "Instead of medicine, they poured perfume on my
wounds. It felt as if they had taken a sword to my
injuries."

On January 26, 2007, abu Dan, a student at the Islamic
University of Gaza, had gone to a local cemetery with his
father and five others to erect a headstone for his grand-
mother. When they arrived, however, they found themselves
surrounded by 30 armed men from Hamas's rival, Fatah, the
party of Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas. "They took
us to a house in north Gaza," abu Dan says. "They covered
our eyes and took us to a room on the sixth floor."

The video reveals a bare room with white walls and a black-
and-white tiled floor, where abu Dan's father is forced to
sit and listen to his son's shrieks of pain. Afterward, abu
Dan says, he and two of the others were driven to a market
square. "They told us they were going to kill us. They made
us sit on the ground." He rolls up the legs of his trousers
to display the circular scars that are evidence of what
happened next: "They shot our knees and feet—five bullets
each. I spent four months in a wheelchair."

Abu Dan had no way of knowing it, but his tormentors had a
secret ally: the administration of President George W. Bush.

A clue comes toward the end of the video, which was found
in a Fatah security building by Hamas fighters last June.
Still bound and blindfolded, the prisoners are made to echo
a rhythmic chant yelled by one of their captors: "By blood,
by soul, we sacrifice ourselves for Muhammad Dahlan! Long
live Muhammad Dahlan!"

There is no one more hated among Hamas members than
Muhammad Dahlan, long Fatah's resident strongman in Gaza.
Dahlan, who most recently served as Abbas's national-
security adviser, has spent more than a decade battling
Hamas. Dahlan insists that abu Dan was tortured without
his knowledge, but the video is proof that his followers'
methods can be brutal.

Bush has met Dahlan on at least three occasions. After
talks at the White House in July 2003, Bush publicly
praised Dahlan as "a good, solid leader." In private,
say multiple Israeli and American officials, the U.S.
president described him as "our guy."

The United States has been involved in the affairs of the
Palestinian territories since the Six-Day War of 1967,
when Israel captured Gaza from Egypt and the West Bank
from Jordan. With the 1993 Oslo accords, the territories
acquired limited autonomy, under a president, who has
executive powers, and an elected parliament. Israel
retains a large military presence in the West Bank, but
it withdrew from Gaza in 2005.

In recent months, President Bush has repeatedly stated that
the last great ambition of his presidency is to broker a
deal that would create a viable Palestinian state and bring
peace to the Holy Land. "People say, 'Do you think it's
possible, during your presidency?'?" he told an audience
in Jerusalem on January 9. "And the answer is: I'm very
hopeful."

The next day, in the West Bank capital of Ramallah, Bush
acknowledged that there was a rather large obstacle stand-
ing in the way of this goal: Hamas's complete control of
Gaza, home to some 1.5 million Palestinians, where it
seized power in a bloody coup d'état in June 2007. Almost
every day, militants fire rockets from Gaza into neighbor-
ing Israeli towns, and President Abbas is powerless to
stop them. His authority is limited to the West Bank.

It's "a tough situation," Bush admitted. "I don't know
whether you can solve it in a year or not." What Bush
neglected to mention was his own role in creating this
mess.

According to Dahlan, it was Bush who had pushed legislative
elections in the Palestinian territories in January 2006,
despite warnings that Fatah was not ready. After Hamas—
whose 1988 charter committed it to the goal of driving
Israel into the sea—won control of the parliament, Bush
made another, deadlier miscalculation.

Vanity Fair has obtained confidential documents, since
corroborated by sources in the U.S. and Palestine, which
lay bare a covert initiative, approved by Bush and
implemented by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and
Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams, to
provoke a Palestinian civil war. The plan was for forces
led by Dahlan, and armed with new weapons supplied at
America's behest, to give Fatah the muscle it needed to
remove the democratically elected Hamas-led government
from power. (The State Department declined to comment.)

But the secret plan backfired, resulting in a further
setback for American foreign policy under Bush. Instead
of driving its enemies out of power, the U.S.-backed Fatah
fighters inadvertently provoked Hamas to seize total
control of Gaza.

Some sources call the scheme "Iran-contra 2.0," recalling
that Abrams was convicted (and later pardoned) for with-
holding information from Congress during the original Iran-
contra scandal under President Reagan. There are echoes
of other past misadventures as well: the C.I.A.'s 1953
ouster of an elected prime minister in Iran, which set the
stage for the 1979 Islamic revolution there; the aborted
1961 Bay of Pigs invasion, which gave Fidel Castro an
excuse to solidify his hold on Cuba; and the contemporary
tragedy in Iraq.

Within the Bush administration, the Palestinian policy set
off a furious debate. One of its critics is David Wurmser,
the avowed neoconservative, who resigned as Vice President
Dick Cheney's chief Middle East adviser in July 2007, a
month after the Gaza coup.

Wurmser accuses the Bush administration of "engaging in a
dirty war in an effort to provide a corrupt dictatorship
[led by Abbas] with victory." He believes that Hamas had
no intention of taking Gaza until Fatah forced its hand.
"It looks to me that what happened wasn't so much a coup
by Hamas but an attempted coup by Fatah that was pre-empted
before it could happen," Wurmser says.

The botched plan has rendered the dream of Middle East
peace more remote than ever, but what really galls neocons
such as Wurmser is the hypocrisy it exposed. "There is a
stunning disconnect between the president's call for
Middle East democracy and this policy," he says. "It
directly contradicts it."

Preventive Security

Bush was not the first American president to form a
relationship with Muhammad Dahlan. "Yes, I was close to
Bill Clinton," Dahlan says. "I met Clinton many times
with [the late Palestinian leader Yasser] Arafat." In
the wake of the 1993 Oslo accords, Clinton sponsored
a series of diplomatic meetings aimed at reaching a
permanent Middle East peace, and Dahlan became the
Palestinians' negotiator on security.

As I talk to Dahlan in a five-star Cairo hotel, it's
easy to see the qualities that might make him attractive
to American presidents. His appearance is immaculate,
his English is serviceable, and his manner is charming
and forthright. Had he been born into privilege, these
qualities might not mean much. But Dahlan was born—on
September 29, 1961—in the teeming squalor of Gaza's Khan
Younis refugee camp, and his education came mostly from
the street. In 1981 he helped found Fatah’s youth move-
ment, and he later played a leading role in the first
intifada—the five-year revolt that began in 1987 against
the Israeli occupation. In all, Dahlan says, he spent
five years in Israeli jails.

From the time of its inception as the Palestinian branch
of the international Muslim Brotherhood, in late 1987,
Hamas had represented a threatening challenge to Arafat's
secular Fatah party. At Oslo, Fatah made a public commit-
ment to the search for peace, but Hamas continued to
practice armed resistance. At the same time, it built an
impressive base of support through schooling and social
programs.

The rising tensions between the two groups first turned
violent in the early 1990s—with Muhammad Dahlan playing a
central role. As director of the Palestinian Authority's
most feared paramilitary force, the Preventive Security
Service, Dahlan arrested some 2,000 Hamas members in 1996
in the Gaza Strip after the group launched a wave of
suicide bombings. "Arafat had decided to arrest Hamas
military leaders, because they were working against his
interests, against the peace process, against the Israeli
withdrawal, against everything," Dahlan says. "He asked
the security services to do their job, and I have done
that job."

It was not, he admits, "popular work." For many years Hamas
has said that Dahlan's forces routinely tortured detainees.
One alleged method was to sodomize prisoners with soda
bottles. Dahlan says these stories are exaggerated:
"Definitely there were some mistakes here and there.
But no one person died in Preventive Security. Prisoners
got their rights. Bear in mind that I am an ex-detainee
of the Israelis'. No one was personally humiliated, and
I never killed anyone the way [Hamas is] killing people
on a daily basis now." Dahlan points out that Arafat
maintained a labyrinth of security services—14 in all—and
says the Preventive Security Service was blamed for abuses
perpetrated by other units.

Dahlan worked closely with the F.B.I. and the C.I.A., and
he developed a warm relationship with Director of Central
Intelligence George Tenet, a Clinton appointee who stayed
on under Bush until July 2004. "He's simply a great and
fair man," Dahlan says. "I'm still in touch with him from
time to time."

"Everyone Was Against the Elections"

In a speech in the White House Rose Garden on June 24,
2002, President Bush announced that American policy in
the Middle East was turning in a fundamentally new
direction.

Arafat was still in power at the time, and many in the U.S.
and Israel blamed him for wrecking Clinton's micro-managed
peace efforts by launching the second intifada—a renewed
revolt, begun in 2000, in which more than 1,000 Israelis
and 4,500 Palestinians had died. Bush said he wanted to
give Palestinians the chance to choose new leaders, ones
who were not "compromised by terror." In place of Arafat's
all-powerful presidency, Bush said, "the Palestinian
parliament should have the full authority of a legislative
body."

Arafat died in November 2004, and Abbas, his replacement
as Fatah leader, was elected president in January 2005.
Elections for the Palestinian parliament, known officially
as the Legislative Council, were originally set for July
2005, but later postponed by Abbas until January 2006.

Dahlan says he warned his friends in the Bush administra-
tion that Fatah still wasn't ready for elections in
January. Decades of self-preservationist rule by Arafat
had turned the party into a symbol of corruption and
inefficiency—a perception Hamas found it easy to exploit.
Splits within Fatah weakened its position further: in
many places, a single Hamas candidate ran against several
from Fatah.

"Everyone was against the elections," Dahlan says. Everyone
except Bush. "Bush decided, 'I need an election. I want
elections in the Palestinian Authority.' Everyone is
following him in the American administration, and everyone
is nagging Abbas, telling him, 'The president wants
elections.' Fine. For what purpose?"

The elections went forward as scheduled. On January 25,
Hamas won 56 percent of the seats in the Legislative
Council. Few inside the U.S. administration had predicted
the result, and there was no contingency plan to deal
with it. "I've asked why nobody saw it coming," Condoleezza
Rice told reporters. "I don't know anyone who wasn't caught
off guard by Hamas's strong showing."

"Everyone blamed everyone else," says an official with the
Department of Defense. "We sat there in the Pentagon and
said, 'Who the Bleep recommended this?'?"

In public, Rice tried to look on the bright side of the
Hamas victory. "Unpredictability," she said, is "the nature
of big historic change." Even as she spoke, however, the
Bush administration was rapidly revising its attitude
toward Palestinian democracy.

Some analysts argued that Hamas had a substantial moderate
wing that could be strengthened if America coaxed it into
the peace process. Notable Israelis—such as Ephraim Halevy,
the former head of the Mossad intelligence agency—shared
this view. But if America paused to consider giving Hamas
the benefit of the doubt, the moment was "milliseconds
long," says a senior State Department official. "The
administration spoke with one voice: 'We have to squeeze
these guys.' With Hamas’s election victory, the freedom
agenda was dead."

The first step, taken by the Middle East diplomatic
"Quartet"—the U.S., the European Union, Russia, and the
United Nations—was to demand that the new Hamas government
renounce violence, recognize Israel's right to exist, and
accept the terms of all previous agreements. When Hamas
refused, the Quartet shut off the faucet of aid to the
Palestinian Authority, depriving it of the means to pay
salaries and meet its annual budget of roughly $2 billion.

Israel clamped down on Palestinians' freedom of movement,
especially into and out of the Hamas-dominated Gaza Strip.
Israel also detained 64 Hamas officials, including
Legislative Council members and ministers, and even
launched a military campaign into Gaza after one of its
soldiers was kidnapped. Through it all, Hamas and its new
government, led by Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, proved
surprisingly resilient.

Washington reacted with dismay when Abbas began holding
talks with Hamas in the hope of establishing a "unity
government." On October 4, 2006, Rice traveled to Ramallah
to see Abbas. They met at the Muqata, the new presidential
headquarters that rose from the ruins of Arafat's compound,
which Israel had destroyed in 2002.

America's leverage in Palestinian affairs was much stronger
than it had been in Arafat's time. Abbas had never had a
strong, independent base, and he desperately needed to
restore the flow of foreign aid—and, with it, his power
of patronage. He also knew that he could not stand up to
Hamas without Washington’s help.

At their joint press conference, Rice smiled as she
expressed her nation's "great admiration" for Abbas's
leadership. Behind closed doors, however, Rice's tone
was sharper, say officials who witnessed their meeting.
Isolating Hamas just wasn't working, she reportedly told
Abbas, and America expected him to dissolve the Haniyeh
government as soon as possible and hold fresh elections.

Abbas, one official says, agreed to take action within two
weeks. It happened to be Ramadan, the month when Muslims
fast during daylight hours. With dusk approaching, Abbas
asked Rice to join him for iftar—a snack to break the fast.

Afterward, according to the official, Rice underlined her
position: "So we're agreed? You'll dissolve the government
within two weeks?"

"Maybe not two weeks. Give me a month. Let's wait until
after the Eid," he said, referring to the three-day
celebration that marks the end of Ramadan. (Abbas's
spokesman said via e-mail: "According to our records,
this is incorrect."

Rice got into her armored S.U.V., where, the official
claims, she told an American colleague, "That damned
iftar has cost us another two weeks of Hamas government."

"We Will Be There to Support You"

Weeks passed with no sign that Abbas was ready to do
America's bidding. Finally, another official was sent to
Ramallah. Jake Walles, the consul general in Jerusalem,
is a career foreign-service officer with many years'
experience in the Middle East. His purpose was to deliver
a barely varnished ultimatum to the Palestinian president.

We know what Walles said because a copy was left behind,
apparently by accident, of the "talking points" memo
prepared for him by the State Department. The document
has been authenticated by U.S. and Palestinian officials.

"We need to understand your plans regarding a new
[Palestinian Authority] government," Walles's script said.
"You told Secretary Rice you would be prepared to move
ahead within two to four weeks of your meeting. We believe
that the time has come for you to move forward quickly and
decisively."

The memo left no doubt as to what kind of action the U.S.
was seeking: "Hamas should be given a clear choice, with
a clear deadline: , they either accept a new government
that meets the Quartet principles, or they reject it The
consequences of Hamas' decision should also be clear: If
Hamas does not agree within the prescribed time, you
should make clear your intention to declare a state of
emergency and form an emergency government explicitly
committed to that platform."

Walles and Abbas both knew what to expect from Hamas if
these instructions were followed: rebellion and bloodshed.
For that reason, the memo states, the U.S. was already
working to strengthen Fatah's security forces. "If you act
along these lines, we will support you both materially and
politically," the script said. "We will be there to support
you."

Abbas was also encouraged to "strengthen [his] team" to
include "credible figures of strong standing in the
international community." Among those the U.S. wanted
brought in, says an official who knew of the policy, was
Muhammad Dahlan.

On paper, the forces at Fatah's disposal looked stronger
than those of Hamas. There were some 70,000 men in the
tangle of 14 Palestinian security services that Arafat
had built up, at least half of those in Gaza. After the
legislative elections, Hamas had expected to assume command
of these forces, but Fatah maneuvered to keep them under
its control. Hamas, which already had 6,000 or so irregulars
in its militant al-Qassam Brigade, responded by forming
the 6,000-troop Executive Force in Gaza, but that still
left it with far fewer fighters than Fatah.

In reality, however, Hamas had several advantages. To begin
with, Fatah's security forces had never really recovered
from Operation Defensive Shield, Israel's massive 2002
re-invasion of the West Bank in response to the second
intifada. "Most of the security apparatus had been
destroyed," says Youssef Issa, who led the Preventive
Security Service under Abbas.

The irony of the blockade on foreign aid after Hamas's
legislative victory, meanwhile, was that it prevented only
Fatah from paying its soldiers. "We are the ones who were
not getting paid," Issa says, "whereas they were not
affected by the siege." Ayman Daraghmeh, a Hamas Legislative
Council member in the West Bank, agrees. He puts the amount
of Iranian aid to Hamas in 2007 alone at $120 million.
"This is only a fraction of what it should give," he
insists. In Gaza, another Hamas member tells me the number
was closer to $200 million. The result was becoming
apparent: Fatah could not control Gaza's streets—or even
protect its own personnel.

At about 1:30 p.m. on September 15, 2006, Samira Tayeh sent
a text message to her husband, Jad Tayeh, the director of
foreign relations for the Palestinian intelligence service
and a member of Fatah. "He didn't reply," she says. "I
tried to call his mobile [phone], but it was switched off.
So I called his deputy, Mahmoun, and he didn't know where
he was. That's when I decided to go to the hospital."

Samira, a slim, elegant 40-year-old dressed from head to
toe in black, tells me the story in a Ramallah café in
December 2007. Arriving at the Al Shifa hospital, "I went
through the morgue door. Not for any reason—I just didn't
know the place. I saw there were all these intelligence
guards there. There was one I knew. He saw me and he said,
'Put her in the car.' That's when I knew something had
happened to Jad."

Tayeh had left his office in a car with four aides. Moments
later, they found themselves being pursued by an S.U.V.
full of armed, masked men. About 200 yards from the home
of Prime Minister Haniyeh, the S.U.V. cornered the car.
The masked men opened fire, killing Tayeh and all four
of his colleagues.

Hamas said it had nothing to do with the murders, but
Samira had reason to believe otherwise. At three a.m. on
June 16, 2007, during the Gaza takeover, six Hamas gunmen
forced their way into her home and fired bullets into
every photo of Jad they could find. The next day, they
returned and demanded the keys to the car in which he
had died, claiming that it belonged to the Palestinian
Authority.

Fearing for her life, she fled across the border and then
into the West Bank, with only the clothes she was wearing
and her passport, driver's license, and credit card.

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What's all the noise about? The FRSC man is in order. If Lagos state issues driver's license to motorists naturally such licenses are valid only for Lagos roads, Lagos roads and not federal roads.

So, as long as you are in Lagos and ply Lagos roads no problem but once you are on Federal road (within or outside Lagos) you must be driving with a driver's license that covers the road you are plying unless you guys are saying that driver's license issued by Lagos State government should be accepted as valid licenses in Sokoto, Enugu and all federal roads.

Why is it difficult for Nigerians to come to terms with reality or is it just fashionable to take sometimes very dangerous and meaningless positions on issues?

Reliability and cheap don't necessarily flow well.

A single machine can host 5000 websites just as that same machine can host just 50 websites or even just 1 website.

Decide on what you want from any web hosting experience and look for a hosting company that can deliver on what you want.

Little wonder rape and careless killing of innocent Iraqis are common.

Na wah ooo. Dem program dey say without design na nonsense. Dem design dey say the website no be print.

Which way Nigeria? Too much momentum yet no movement.

Well, you apologized not because you did anything wrong but because you didn't want me to use "it" as an excuse to insult anyone?

Now, you have come out in your pure form, a coward and a liar, even in the face of minor issues you show your cowardice without shame.

You have been asking questions that have not been answered abi? Maybe you will soon ask me how to train your child since you will always bring in any parameter to divert attention from the simple issue of energy efficiency as it relates to reducing the power/energy need of Nigerians.

You are really disgusting and know no shame, you are long gone trust me in your narrow mindedness.

Good luck as you continue to swim in the ocean of ignorance.

4 Him:
Of more importance is Iran's covert support of terror.
It is an open secret that hezbollah is the foreign arm of Iran's revolutionary guards.

Foreign arm of Iran's revolutionary guards?

I need a cold bottle of fanta, where is Nollywood? We have wonderful movie scripts on this forum.

doyin13:
I was beginning to wonder when this argument would degenerate into a slanging match

Right on cue

It was programmed from day 1 Tayo-D posted his first response with some personal attacks which I cautioned him against (he apologized even though I knew he was lying as that was his style, leave the issue and divert attention to personalities).

Now, it is business as usual and he will only be exposed yet again as someone that claims to know what he does not know.

I am used to his likes and will respond to every single post in kind and in the process expose his shallow thinking.

Transmission design engineer talking nonsense on generation, little wonder people look down on certificates from Nigerian universities.

Tayo-D:
Again making categorical statement that are not based on facts. I have attended to all you wrote point by point and you are yet to tackle none of mine.

You have attended to all I wrote point by point without even understanding what I wrote, isn't that a stupid thing to do?

I am yet to tackle your points? I would have done so if you had made any reasonable points, you cannot cajole me into educating you on what you don't understand by making silly comments.

Tayo-D:
My guy, I'm a Transmission Line Design Engineer. I am not bragging but reporting facts. You have no clue what you are talking about and want to appear like an expert. When you have done your homework, come back and discuss these issues.

Herein lies the problem Mr Transmission Line Design Engineer, your task is about transmission, not generation and I am sure this should be crystal clear to you unless you don't understand your job title.

So, try to understand what your job is and what it entails before you start shifting the goal post to suit your low level of understanding of the issues.

How many times will one deal with people that claim to be this and that when they are lacking in knowledge they are supposed to have?

You transmit what has been generated boy! My interest is in implementing policies that will reduce our energy need which will be easier, faster and cheaper to generate.

You will soon go round the bend on this one trust me.

Privatize PHCN? Sell PHCN? Maybe to the likes of Enron abi? Guy, your problem is a comprehension limited one and only you can help yourself.

RichyBlacK:
I wonder what's happening here. I posted this before and couldn't find it.

Trust me this will become common practice as the Politics Section now have a moderator (Kobojunkie) - someone that has a clear and unambiguous hatred for anything Arab or Islam and total support for anything US and Israel.

So, do not be surprised if every single thread that does not expressly support the West begins to disappear from this section.

Meanwhile the article is based on facts that we have known all along. Lies don't last, they crumble like pack of cards.

@Tayo-D,

It is a pity that you are still hung on your "I sabi pass you mentality".

Why 20% of the current estimate will be enough to guarantee steady power supply

Without knowing the exact amount of energy that the government is planning to generate to improve power supply in Nigeria one thing is certain, the government is wrong in its estimate for the following reasons;

1. There is no policy on energy efficiency and as such any calculations made must have been based on the current inefficient products that abound everywhere. For example, compare 1 no 60W bulb to 12 nos 5W energy saving bulbs and you will realize just how wrong the government is in not taking energy efficiency serious.

2. As a fallout of the mistake above the government will be planning to generate energy with about 80% of the energy not really needed considering the fact that we can immediately save a lot of energy by switching to energy efficient products.

The content reproduced above summarizes my post and if you cannot comprehend it sorry.

I am shocked to know that a married man like you can openly display your lack of comprehension of very clear statements on a public forum like this. Do you advice your wife or child at all? If yes I hope it is not the same level of stupidity you display because it will be disastrous.

It is still very glaring that the real meaning of % is lost to you. I never stated any figures yet you accused me of fabricating some, a typical lie you have lived with all your life, lying against someone when you are done exposing your high level of ignorance.

Yet, you are busy looking for figures. Little wonder they say that even if you take a pig to the US it will still remain a pig.

Without any energy efficiency policy in place any calculations (ANY as in ANY) done will be based on the current energy inefficient products everywhere.

With an energy efficiency policy in place you will surely get a much reduced energy need because the calculations will be based on energy efficient products that take just 70% less energy to do the same work (this is common sense but as they say common sense is not common).

Let me know when you have any genuine quarrel with my article based on the following facts.

1. Presently, there is no energy efficiency policy in place in Nigeria

2. Based on 1 above we will be trying to generate energy that could be reduced if an energy efficiency policy were to be in place

3. With a reduced energy need based on energy efficient products it will be cheaper, faster and easier for the government to generate the much needed energy.

Stick to the issues on ground, don't try to impress anyone as you have done enough already on issues pertaining to US, Islam, Religion etc and from all indications you have often been proved wrong in majority of the issues you dabble into.


NB: This discussion forum can never be a substitute for real education. If you are not clear on anything do yourself a favor and try to learn what you do not understand. Being wrong and bragging about it without knowing simply because you assume you know what you are talking about is bad.

Mr. Pataki:
@ Afam,
What exactly do you mean by Energy Policy of replacing a 60W bulb with 5W? Agreed that you will want to imply energy savings in respect to energy consumption, however Policies goes beyond what you are proposing here. Who effectively monitors this set of policy that you want to bring into place?

What I mean by replacing 60W bulb with 5w energy bulb is that you will achieve a lower energy need that is 12 times lower than what a typical 60W bulb takes. This I believe is way too obvious. Apart from mobility a laptop takes on the average 85W whereas a CPU and its monitor takes close to 550W, now can you see the difference?

Mr. Pataki:
There are better means of bringing the issue of Energy Policy into place without making mention of a 60W to 5W statement, which I clearly remember was also part of your bone of contention in the first topic you made in respect to Energy production and consumption in Nigeria.

What means? You don't decide what I mention as long as what I mention is not wrong.

Tayo-D:
Just a heads up. Next time you roundly condemn someone, the Government, and in this case sef, the consumers, you need to take a wholistic approach to the issue.

Holistic approach to the issue. What is the issue? I guess it makes sense for you to understand what you believe the issue is lest we end up arguing over nothing.

Tayo-D:
You cannot start manufacturing figures from thin air and expect people to take you seriously. You might say your article is dealing with a particular issue without making such uninformed statement that this minute issue is actually the solution to the global problem.

Can you state any figures I have manufactured? Unlike you I am not in the business of trying to make people take me serious. Again I cannot remember claiming that the issue of using energy saving bulbs is the solution to a global issue. Stick to my comments please as I do not have the patience to over look lies you tell just to make you feel good.

Tayo-D:
This is just an advise which you can take or ignore, though it will serve you well if you accept the wisdom therein.

Without thinking twice your advice has been sent to the trash can because you are not at home with my positions, making unnecessary assumptions or trying to force issues to tie with what you believe don't mean you understand what you think you understand.

Maybe you may consider my own advice to you, please try to understand any issue you want to talk about, it really helps. It is certainly not enough claiming to know what you do not know.

NB: Take time to understand the meaning of % as it seems you are having problems understanding what it means even with figures used in the examples in the article to explain what one can save in energy needs.

You can compare power to GSM or even urine if you like but as long as developed countries are even doing all they can to reduce their energy need I see no reason why Nigeria (that cannot even provide enough right now) will not benefit by generating power that is much less than what it currently plans to generate and this is common sense.

@Tayo-D,

So climate change has nothing to do with the quantity of carbon emission which is a direct result of many ways of generating electricity using fossil fuel? Unless the dynamics changed last night I thought the issue was about reducing the amount of carbon emissions contributing to ozone layer depletion and melting of ices.

I hope you don't disagree with a position for the sake of it, please have a good reason to do so. What about SA?

Even though there is absolutely no reason to talk about business issues I will tell you something that happened last Friday. I was invited by a bank to provide 72 hours inverter backup system for ATMs and we are talking over N400M here. I got some information from them and proposed a solution which was both realistic and made economic sense.

However, I was informed that they needed a particular inverter and a specific number of batteries (a complete overkill) based on what they believe is their energy requirement which was obviously wrong.

My response was simple, pay over 2 times what I offered to implement what they wanted (of course without any warranty) or save over N600,000.00 per ATM and have a reliable backup with full warranty.

I was told that their ATMs were rated at 800W and I informed them that we have ATMs that needed just 75W up to 300W even when dispensing cash or printing and the funny thing is that they agreed that they hear the newer models were energy efficient and as low as 300W.

So, the issue of energy efficiency is real and makes economic sense.

I have never run out of power in my office for about 4 years and I don't use a generator.

My energy bills at home crashed from an average of over N1500.00 to less than N400.00 per month simply because I switched to energy saving appliances.

It is not about theory or politics, it is about what is both workable and economical.

I am not here to solve Nigeria's energy problem so respond to the person that asked you a question, you don't have to push the question to me.

Just like we were preaching about inverter backup systems being a very good alternative to NEPA some 3 - 4 years ago and people were like what are these people talking about don't worry a day will come when we will realize that reducing our energy needs will in the short run and long run help in Nigeria seeing steady electricity.

Power was really bad for the past 2 weeks and I practically drained my inverter backup last Friday after about 9 days without power coming up at all as I don't use a generator in my office for about 4 years now even though I believe they have restored it as I saw cold water in the fridge. Now I know how much I would have spent on fuel just to provide power for those 2 weeks.

Save energy if you can even if to reduce your own electricity bills.

@nimbus,

Thanks for your comments and we really do not differ in reality.

The article was based on the fact that providing steady electricity for the majority of Nigerians for now is a top priority after all most (if not all) the companies in Nigeria today depend on generators.

If you take a complete load sample in any given home the bulbs constitute the greater percentage of energy bills we pay (minus A/Cs). 15 nos 60W bulbs is 900W where as fride = from 70W to 320W (for deep freezers), TV = 70W to 160W (on the average), fans 50W to 100W. So you can see that anyone crashing his/her lighting will ultimately crash the total energy bills.

Of course, like Seun stated a while ago energy is a moving target, no fixed level. That is even the more reason why we should be talking energy efficiency now, we don't have to go the route SA went.

It's like 10 men eating 30 plates of rice when 30 men can handle 30 plates of rice comfortably.

That someone is paying for wasting energy doesn't make the idea right, if you must waste energy then generate yours.

Seun:
We live in a hot climate. When electricity becomes stable, people will start using air conditioners, which use much more power. Will the government ban that too?

The problem we have in Nigeria is that we want to enjoy the benefits of everything without necessarily taking responsibilities along the way.

The current problem right now is providing steady power supply to the vast majority of Nigerians and in doing so reducing our energy need to a manageable level will enable us guarantee that for now while making room for population growth and the attendant increase in energy need.

We all live in Nigeria and with the current situation on ground and the government's effort in generating massive power we shall know when we will experience the steady power supply.

For me in the next 4 months I will be completely off PHCN both at home and in the office so una good luck.

@Tayo-D,

If an energy policy of having the typical 60W bulbs replaced by 5W bulbs doesn't give you an idea of what 80% energy savings means then it will be easier to trek to the moon than for you to understand what has been clearly stated which for some reasons best known to you is not enough. Rather you want me to focus attention on politicians, really sad how we think.

From 2009 it will be illegal for you to use the regular 60W or 100W bulbs in Australia, Ghana is pursuing an energy policy where energy saving bulbs are being pushed to the homes, homes and offices in US are embracing energy efficient products and we have a Nigerian tell me that it is not the business of government to push for the use of energy saving bulbs. I am only glad that you are in US and not in Nigeria where such narrow minded advice would do more harm than good.

NB: I hope you are taking note of some of the remarks you have directed at my person in your posts because it is typical of people like you to start complaining about choice of words when similar remarks are directed at your person and trust me it is such hypocrisy that drives me crazy.

jeshurun07:
some of the offenses usually labeled against them are:

1) Poor customer service.

Can you be more explicit on this one? Some clients believe service providers should do anything they want and when such requests are not granted I believe the issue of customer service does not arise. But of course you may throw more light on this one so I can understand you.

jeshurun07:
2) frequent server breakdown.

Maxing out disk space especially with many or unlimited resellers on a server.

jeshurun07:
3) collection of payment without corresponding provision of the service paid for.

The law can help you on this one as it seems like pure fraud.

jeshurun07:
4) Registration of domain names in THEIR OWN NAMES - many don't even know this is a criminal practice, web designers included.

What is wrong in registering client domain names in service provider's name? If a client wants his/her name to come up on the whois database it is easy to edit the information. Ownership of a domain name goes beyond having your name on whois database.

jeshurun07:
I want anyone who has had similar experience to say so in this thread but more importantly i want nairalanders to proffer solutions on these problems and also give hints on how to fish out the bad eggs from the good ones.

Education and relevant knowledge.

4 Play:
PS:Afam doesn't have an English name. @Afam,na lie I talk?

For once in close to 2 years this guy is right, na wah ooo.

I don't have any English name.

4 Play:
PS:Unlike you,I have 100% Igbo names.No institutionalized cultural enslavement unlike some .

Like I-man, 4 Play and so many other IDs you have been using.

Abeg, do not pollute this thread with your very narrow minded views and blind support for the US.

Seun:
You trust a chain mail over CNN and BBC? How silly.

@Seun,

It is obvious you are the one that is being silly here for not being able to understand that what you see or hear in any mainstream media is what has been programmed from top to bottom for you to hear.

Let Sun Newspapers write any negative story about Orji Uzo Kalu and see if the writer will have a job within 10 minutes of publishing the story, that is if the story is ever published.

RichyBlacK:
@Afam, thanks for the post.

Russian toddlers would do a far better job running US foreign policy than the boneheads doing it now.

Chief, how far? Long time.

No mind these americans that are being led by a lying president that is trying to hard to make the world more dangerous.

The economic recession is already at home in the US and the stats are interesting to the point that the most ardent supporters and lovers of the US cannot just shout.

My comments are certainly out of ATM. I am a web person and any solution I may develop will have online transactions as the focus not ATM.

Well, I agree that an alternative is needed.

Just Web Services may take up the challenge and build one from scratch soon.

The issue of interswitch paying money to banks to keep competing products out is a non issue because once people see the value of any reliable alternative the rest will be history.

Have you not heard about energy saving bulbs?

5W, 10W or even 18W maximum should be the way to go.

Read the following article to see how we have been doing the wrong thing all along

http://afamnnaji.com/blog_view.php?myview_id=57

Government's estimate on energy need, very faulty

Everyone agrees that we need constant electricity in Nigeria. Very few Nigerians care about how we use energy in Nigeria. The government seems not to be on top of the core issues let alone addressing them properly.

Can we see uninterrupted power supply in Nigeria anytime soon? Yes, only if the government does the right things including but not limited to a strong energy efficiency policy, effective monitoring of energy usage and generating the much needed power which from facts and common sense may not be more than 20% of whatever figures the government is currently relying upon to improve power supply.

Energy efficiency policy

There should be a complete halt to importation and manufacturing of energy inefficient products from electric bulbs to computers, fridges to TVs. A 60W bulb is equivalent 12 nos 5W energy saving bulbs so a home with 10 nos 60W bulbs is consuming in every hour energy that can be used for 12 homes using 10 nos 5W energy saving bulbs each for the same purpose - light.

Picture a neighborhood with one home (say on generator) with all the rooms lit (10 nos 60W bulbs) and 11 other homes around all in total darkness and compare that with a neighborhood with all 12 homes lit with 10 nos 5W energy saving bulbs using the same amount of energy a single home was using.

Effective monitoring of energy usage

There should be an effective energy monitoring team from PHCN or other relevant agencies that should identify and penalize homes or offices that waste energy by leaving security lights on even during the daytime when the security lights are not needed. It is not enough for the homes or offices to pay for the energy being wasted because they waste what others need.

If possible, all heavy duty appliances and machinery should be disconnected from the national grid for now until such a time when PHCN can provide for such heavy duty users. A situation whereby all homes and offices can enjoy steady power supply with basic appliances like TVs, lights, fans, fridges is certainly better than one where only a few people enjoy steady power supply just because a few companies or heavy energy users are making use of energy meant for the vast majority of Nigerians that are in dire need of regular power supply.

Why 20% of the current estimate will be enough to guarantee steady power supply

Without knowing the exact amount of energy that the government is planning to generate to improve power supply in Nigeria one thing is certain, the government is wrong in its estimate for the following reasons;

1. There is no policy on energy efficiency and as such any calculations made must have been based on the current inefficient products that abound everywhere. For example, compare 1 no 60W bulb to 12 nos 5W energy saving bulbs and you will realize just how wrong the government is in not taking energy efficiency serious.

2. As a fallout of the mistake above the government will be planning to generate energy with about 80% of the energy not really needed considering the fact that we can immediately save a lot of energy by switching to energy efficient products.

Many see bulbs as very light loads but until they do a little calculation they never realize how wrong they are.

A regular TV takes about 70W - 160W (including over 32" LCD TVs but excluding energy wasting Plasma TVs), fridges or freezers hover between 70W - 300W for the large ones, a typical 3 bedroom apartment has about 15 bulbs and at 60W per bulb the apartment will be using 900W of electricity every hour.

Put differently, in most cases the bulbs account for the bulk of your energy bills at home.

Using the bulb as a good example we will see what we stand to gain by replacing the typical incandescent bulb (60W or more) with their energy saving counterparts especially the 5W ones.

1 home with 15 nos 60W bulbs = 900W per hour
In 12 hrs (x12) = 10800W
In a month (x30) = 324000W
In one year (x12) = 3,888,000W

24 hours steady power supply for this home would mean that the government must generate 7,776,000W of electricity and the home will be required to pay N31,104.00.

If this home decides today to switch to energy saving bulbs rated at 5W each retaining the same 15 nos then the government would only need to generate 648,000W in a year for this home and the bill will effortlessly crash to N2,592.00 which is 83% lower than what this home would have paid in one year for the same number of bulbs only this time with energy saving bulbs to content with.

The government would realize that it is cheaper, easier and faster to generate about 20% of whatever energy it is planning to generate now to improve power supply.

A home with 15 nos 60W bulbs is actually making use of energy that 12 homes with 15 nos 5W energy saving bulbs each can use without problems.

So, if PHCN can comfortably power just 5 millions homes using the calculations above then it means that in reality PHCN has what it takes to guarantee steady power supply to 60 million homes in Nigeria. All that is needed is for someone somewhere to do what is right for Nigerians to enjoy steady power supply.

Steady power supply is possible, within reach and easy to provide only if we are bold and humble enough to understand the cores issues and ways to respond to them accordingly.