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@debosky,

Well done. This is what I call free education and in all honesty the majority of people that have benefited from it don't deserve it.

Let the show of ignorance and total lack of comprehension of basic issues continue, I guess the forum is big enough to allow us show the world how we reason.

So the projects in question spanned 8 years? It seems there is no limit to the type of lies people will introduce just to justify a wrong conclusion based on very faulty premises.

People should be readily sanctioned for providing misleading information lest this forum becomes filled with junk posts.

Let any house that is on solar tell how the cost of installing the solar system.

99cents per watt? Nonsense, it exists on paper and not even the lab condition where parameters are right will give you that. The average cost per watt still hovers between $3 and $5.5.

The best deals you can get for solar panels today for a 200W panel is about $1,000.00.

People who google and assume they understand anything should stop this nonsense.

Kobojunkie has been posting a whole lot of nonsense on different sections of this forum and in the process misleading a lot of people, this is unacceptable and should be stopped.

Solar cannot be a replacement yet, not now, not even in the next 10 years going by the level of progress that is being made in the solar industry.

Fedex is on solar? Bid deal, now can someone tell us how much Fedex spent to rely on Solar?

This is what is called intellectual stubbornness and complete show of ignorance combined with lack of comprehension.

This forum is certainly not a substitute for real education.

Unfortunately, the low level of understand being displayed here goes a long way in rubbing off on all the users as some may assume that we all think with our left hands.

Real shame that basic issues like these cannot be understood yet these are the same people that will talk about development, we are in trouble in this country.

Novice1:
Afam, r u an employee at ota farms?

The usual stupid question idiots ask when they find it difficult to make their points.

Uche2nna:
@ Afam

I am still trying to understand your position. Is it that the committee does not have enough evidence to pin Obj vis a viz his excellent article (as You put it) or is that Obj did the best he could given the resources he had?

Don't try to understand my position, try to understand the issues based on facts and reconcile same with the level of misinformation that has been pushed to the masses.

Uche2nna:
We can go on and on twisting the facts like we always do. No be Nigerians We can also sit down and write beautiful essays to cover up our yansh. Posterity would be the judge. However, I would really love to know the answers to the sentences highlighted below.

What facts have been twisted?

The answers to the only question have been provided some posts back, go back and look for them.

As for comments on yar'adua, I thought this post was about OBJ and power probe.

Sky Blue:
Ok then, so let us take OBJs own account as the gospel truth. He stated in the article that the actual capital spent on power is $6.5billion. So there, does that now make everything better? Does that now make the progress made anywhere near satisfactory or applaudable as opposed to disgrceful? If the progress is not satisfactory then why is this the case and why could it not be addressed in the 8 years he was in power? So it takes 8 years to know a bridge is needed to transport the components? [b]Sorry, but again i see obvious failure and excuses are yet to convince me. [/b]If we can't see that the progress made in 8 years in the power sector after billions of dollars was spent is not acceptable then sorry, but i guess Nigerians better go into hibernation mode and not expect any progress for the next 50 years. Yaradua can "attempt" to build power plants after all his time in power and that would be ok.

The content in bold refers, I am not here to convince you. The most important thing is pushing correct and factual information to Nigerians so that Nigerians can get angry or be happy based on facts and not manipulations by the elite that tend to use us to achieve their selfish means.

Sky Blue:
@Afam, instead of posting another reply which would probably be fruitless because you will dismiss it and say "i don't know anything" even with the obvious mismanagement issue at hand, i[b] just have one question to ask you and it is a simple yes or no so please enlighten me. [/b]Do you think all the billions of dollars spent on the power sector during OBJ's time in power has been justified by the level of progress made?

A simple yes or no will not suffice neither will it enlighten you.

Again, how much was spent? Why have the contractors not completed work? Are there real and genuine problems hindering progress?

These are questions that well meaning Nigerians should be asking not the yes or no type as one cannot understand the issues at stake with a simple yes or no answer.

But if you insist you have to provide us with the exact billions spent in the power sector. And please I don't want assumptions, base your figure on hard and verifiable facts on what OBJ spent on power during his 8 years in office.

Sky Blue:
@Afam, it did not take these country a couple of months but it also did not take them 4-8 years with nothing to show did it? So won't these components need a facility, or will they just be assembled outside like lego bricks? So what on earth have the fact that they are in habour got to do with this section of the project or the laying down of vital infrastructure for these vital components? I do have a very good idea of how power stations work. Sorry if you feel i am annoying you but my questions from my previous posts still stand and i am yet to see them being nullified and you are yet to discount them and seem to be just dismissing them with "i don't know anything". Have a nice day

I am not here to correct all the wrong notions you have my friend. I wonder how many questions I will end up answering if you actually believed that OBJ was personally signing cheques for the contractors.

Being humble enough to learn what you don't know is a good thing just as bragging about what you don't know is a bad thing.

Enjoy the week.

tundewoods:
Can i ask a simple question ?Is your so called social networking website running ?If yes lets see the url to put it to the litmus test.

If it is yet to go live,then i strongly believe you are building castles in the air my friend.I still remain adamant that its a lot more lucurative to write facebook apps than waste time coding a social networking site that will not even get up to 100 hits a day.

If the owner of Facebook listened to your advice then we wouldn't have seen anything like Facebook.

Those who have made marks in the world today started out with dreams, dreams that others laughed at but at the end of the day the dreamed transformed into reality.

Do not attempt to kill anyone's dream as dreamers have all it takes to rule the world.

@georgen2u,

If you believe in your dreams by all means do all you can to see them through, God willing your dreams will become reality and successful.

e-freaky:
@afam,i no u v gt d ritte to voice your opinion,bt please dnt say wht u v just sd hr outside,u mite b lynched.

You are absolutely very very stupid to make such a comment, stick that silly advice up your behind. I hope I see people like you who talk about lynching anytime they come across information they can't comprehend, it is people like you that go about spreading lies and causing confusion.

@Sky Blue,

If the items and equipment meant for the plants are lying at the various sea ports or are in transit what do you expect to see at the sites? The documents littered on the sites with say nylon covering them to prevent them from rain?

The committee went on a tour that is as useless as some of the statements they have been making due to ignorance.

Do you think these items or components are picked off the shelves or what? They are machined according to design and these designs are usually unique based on different parameters.

I don't want to continue with this as there is no new point to be made. Do your own basic research on EPC contracts and see for yourself what happens all over the world.

Do not base your argument on misinformation or one based on ignorance of those pushing the information forward.

All the countries you are mentioning did not begin and complete these projects in a couple of months.

Did OBJ not sign all these cheques?

I don't know where you got the information that OBJ is the person signing cheques for the projects. Is this the level of intelligence you want to base your points on? I am out of here my friend.

Sky Blue:
@Afam, in all you are still failing to answer my question, what is there to show for the ammount of capital poured in? If most of the money went into design, then what is there to show for it? A whole president spends billions of dollars on these so called "designs" and he does not have any info about the design documents that as you claim are "worth" these billions? Is that not just plain incompetence? And again, unless i am mistaken, you still haven't provided any equivalent examples of any sort involving these figures with nothing but designs to show for it. As i stated earlier, southafrica spent about $40billion on power and have a generating capacity of 40000MW, what did the billions spent in this case achieve? And that is a sucess story not to be probed to infinitum but to be applauded? As stated in the article the project was paid by cheques, who signed the cheques? Land compensation? As far as i can tell from the article, if we are to believe that what OBJ is saying is true and that capital spending was $6.5billion then correct me if i am wrong but i don't believe that includes compensation does it?

I don't have to dance to the music you are playing to satisfy you. That you fail to address the facts is not my own headache.

Since you are online, you don't have to believe anything I put down here, just google for the type of contracts that are involved here and read for yourself how it works. I will not start giving you a list of projects as it will be obvious I won't have documents to hand over to you to prove anything.

We used to hear that contracts were given to contractors that don't even have businesses registered with CAC, today we know that was a lie told and sold to Nigerians without any apologies from the same media and the committee that started the lies.

Now, my last response to you on the issue of "why there is nothing to show for it"

There is nothing to show for it because of the following

1. The facilities have not been completed

2. You can only generate power from any gas turbine or plant when all the components are in place

3. Contracts with equipment lying at the various sea ports can be said to be doing well in terms of progress.

4. Even after installing the gas plants and you don't have the gas supply sorted out you still won't see anything to show for it because until you are able to use the power generated you have every right to state that nothing was done even when you will be very wrong in saying that.

Bottomline? Let us base our comments on facts, hard facts, simple facts.

Sky Blue:
@ Afam, so where are these "design" document that are worth $16billion? Try not to take offence because it is a genuine question and are there any examples in the world that you can give whereby an engineering design cost that much with nothing to show?

First, you assume that the amount is $16 which is one of the many misinformation out there.

Second, the design document need not be with OBJ but with the various contractors.

Third, in real life almost all EPC contracts have the engineering design and procurement cost more than the construction phase which is just about assembling parts or coupling same. I have been involved in the construction of a major gas plant and in the revamp of some off shore wellhead platforms so I am making these statements based on facts that can be verified by seeking other opinions.

Sky Blue:
Was the design for some sci fi power generating facility that has never been used before? Just because he could write a seemingly descent article and sound intelligent (while still not answering anything) does not mean he is innocent or without blame by the way. Unless we want to attribute such a judgement to IBB too and say because he has some intelligence he is an angel.

A facility that works just fine in one location will not necessarily work fine in another. Just a minor difference in the % of sulphur for example is enough to change the design of a refinery that is why it is usually more expensive to refine dirty crude oil (one with more % sulphur) than those with less.

Refineries in the North Sea are not the same down here again due to temperature alone which changes the dynamics of the whole thing.

So, if all the engineering design is done, procurement done and 80% of the money spent and you don't see anything on site it is perfectly normal. Have we not heard that many of the turbines imported are lying waste at ports in Rivers because Customs is making it difficult to clear them.

Have you not heard that even the government has not paid compensations for lands acquired for some of these projects? Do you expect a contractor to risk his/her life venturing into lands that whole communities are demanding compensations from?

I am not interested in the way the article was crafted, I am interested in the facts of the matter as Nigerians deserve to know the facts.

smile4kenn:
I have been reading about Solar Energy since the mid seventies and have not known of a place where this has worked effectively as an alternative source of energy.
So to talk of Africa for Solar Energy is clearly a joke and the media know this.
I am of the opinion that countries in the tropics should be considered and not just Africa
It would seem to me that when some smart entrepreneurs sponsor some researches, they like to use Africa as a test ground with the sole purpose making money.

Well stated. Some don't even do any research, just reading an article on two based on google search gives them the wrong idea that now understand everything about solar technology.

He did, I guess someone removed it.

http://www.9jabeats.com/

Excellent article by OBJ. At least he was precise in his submissions not the type of ignorance displayed by the committee that clearly did not understand what EPC contracts look like.

As stated by OBJ we should look at the price of oil when he came in as it is common for people to state that he had excess cass from crude oil sales forgetting that $8 or $9 was the price when he came in.

Sometimes 80% of money earmarked for EPC contracts can be spent without seeing anything on ground, this is real and normal because engineering design and procurement takes the bulk of the money as the last stage (construction) is usually very easy as it involves assembling/coupling and commissioning of the facility.

Though OBJ did not do well in some areas during his 8 years in power his response to the committee on the power probe is something anyone will be proud to be part of if we choose to face the facts of the matter.

@Uche1,

The network was bad so could barely hear what you were saying. Once I answer my phone then it means I am available to talk. Sent an email to the email you provided.

http://www.bittbox.com/rants/web-design-the-void-between-designer-and-programmer/

It is good to give credit to authors of articles like this lest we take the glory and praise for what we did not do.

@topic,

I agree that web designers and programmers need to work together but again that depends on the willingness of either to work together on projects.

Get yourself a new battery my friend, it pays.

Had I seen this earlier I would have given you 1 out of the 3 I dashed out last week.

aphoe:
pleas i need an inverter that will power a laptop, ceiling fan and 13Watts 'cata' bulb for like up to six hours. send me details/quotation/price to aphoextra@yahoo.co.uk

In case other people need the same basic solution, any 500W inverter would work and any battery rated @ 12V 100Ah would do.

So the main issue to contend with is the quality of the inverter, the charging current and the quality of the battery itself.

www.justalternativepower.com is the website address.

RichyBlacK:
Ethnic politics of convenience!

When it suits some Nigerians, they remember that geopolitical zones don't define ethnicity, however, when it's time to attack the Igbos, they try to use spurious boundaries to limit the extensive reach of the Igbo nation.

Of course Mike Okiro is an Igbo man (like so many other Igbos in present day Delta and Rivers states) I just hope this selectiveness in admitting who is Igbo and who is not (a political hangover of a military strategy against Biafra) is continually exposed as a pathetic and failed attempt at marginalizing the Igbos.

GBAM!!!

Where did the picture above come from?

The person in that picture should be identified (if still alive) and he should be made to identify the policemen that forced him to have sex with a goat.

This is totally unacceptable regardless of what the person did.

It will be difficult for you to get a handle on what programmers charge for programming jobs because experiences differ, skills differ, even projects that are given out differ.

By programmers I mean people that write programs because in Nigeria today you see a lot of people that claim to be programmers yet they cannot write 3 lines of codes without running into problems.

Your best bet is to look at projects as they come and evaluate them, then bill the client in such a way that you will make a profit simple.

Do not even bother to compete with anyone as regards pricing because you will always see pricing schedules that are way too low or too high so its your job to do what I call appropriate pricing.

Also remember that most clients do not even ask for projects that require real programming for now as a lot of them are just ok with beautiful websites whether feature rich or not.

Kobojunkie:
I guess you live by the media cause we hear Bush and of him every day. The man gave a speech just last wednesday and another one expect again today. Maybe you should look past the major media when it comes to getting news sometimes. The dude is still active.

Wonders shall never end, where did this girl get her education from?

Someone is still active to the extent that the major media just likes giving the person ( a sitting US president) a complete media blackout and she wants us to turn to minor media to see his speech.

Lies don't last and the strong supporters of Bush and his lies are probably hiding their heads in shame right now.

Funny how over 80% of them have been banned several times on this forum and they keep coming back with fake and multiple IDs, I guess they have a lot in common with Bush anyway.

Na wah oo, I can't see comments like "only in Nigeria", "Nigeria Police is bad" etc

The level of objectivity on this section is baffling.

Wetin bad, bad no matter where e dey happen.

Who get ear make hin take am hear.

Have you used the knowledge to build any site? If yes, can we see it? If no, why?

It is a lot easier to buy from someone that uses a product than from someone that doesn't.

If your clients or potential clients need to meet with you face to face on issues pertaining to money or payments then it makes sense for you to have an office.

With an office a client or a potential one will know where to locate you in case you disappear with his/her money.

Needless to say no serious company will risk paying a lot of money to you when they cannot see something to hold on to.

It is not about how good you are, it is about reducing the risks businesses take when contracting web projects out to web developers.

Getting an office is not compulsory but if you can please get one, there is no down side to it.

Again, work from home style is not that common here in Nigeria so we should understand that when comparing Nigeria to say US or UK where people work from home and it is considered ok.

dominique:
wassup ESUITES_{(abi weten u dey call yourself sef)} y'all should check this link https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-131749.0.html and see how your fellow grad messed herself and your school in NYSC camp.

Well, I don't know the university you attended but your level of comprehension is alarming. Did the girl in question mess herself up in NYSC camp? Check the link you posted and confirm.

Between N100k and N150k would do. This may seem high but when you consider the fact that the person may make this amount in 1 week or 2 weeks then it makes sense to retain him.

Also such salary will make it difficult for other people to snatch him/her away from you.

As a matter of fact anyone that has a good knowledge of the skills you require will not be available for employment and even if the person is considering working for someone 30k to 50k is certainly out of the question as he can make that in 3 or 4 days on his own.

Get yourself a dedicated machine and play around with the php.ini file as no shared hosting environment will allow you have your custom php.ini without impacting on others even though you can have limited tweaking on your own account but again what others do may most likely still affect you.