₦airaland Forum

shymexx: Well, Eritrea became a country in 1993.

The Brits provided the blueprint for the nation-state in which the indigenous people consolidated on, to form Nigeria. However, they had option to opt out of the union in 1960 - and the "opt-out" alone should tell you that it wasn't really a country pre-1960. I also cited the nationality of the people - they were British.

Moreover, Nigerians mostly blame the British for colonialism and the for giving power to the North to lord over the rest of the country. The Brits only amalgamated the country to maximise their colonial profits and for easy rule - just as they did in India. Should Pakistan and Bangladesh also celebrate colonial India?

Pakistan and Bangladesh are no longer part of India, are they? So, why should they celebrate Colonial India? Their stories changed when they chose to separate from India. In the case of these two countries, thei date of birth of was when they broke and of India and Pakistan respectively. In the case of Nigeria, we did not break out of Britain. There was just a change in guard while the country remained.

Eritrea's date of birth is 1993 because that was the date they got independence from Ethiopia pretty much like how South Sudan got independence from Sudan.

crackhaus: Why would anyone want to celebrate the year the white man gained total colonial control over a geographical area in sub-saharan Africa, isn't this what happened in 1914?
1914 is the year Nigeria became subject to the rule of the British Monarchy, and the amalgamation was just a way to put in place a more cohesive and centralized government, which in turn helped dampen the effects(constraints) in ruling two different teriitories separated by just rivers.

The fact remains, a SOVEREIGN nation is the same thing as an INDEPENDENT nation, which is also the same thing as an AUTONOMOUS nation, which by all definitions thus mean; "A nation/country with complete constitutional powers to rule and govern itself".

Don't get it twisted, this is what we should be celebrating as we did yesterday...definitely not 1914 when we were forced to answer to Her Majesty's Crown.

It's really not about what we should be celebrating. I could care less if we celebrate neither. But the focus here, is when Nigeria became a country and not a sovereign country.

Will Bureau de change go out of business?

shymexx: Ok, let's throw Eritrea in there to make it clearer.

Eritrea became a colony of Italy in 1890, Great Britain in 1941, Ethiopia in 1941 and became independent in 1993.

So, which one of the four should they celebrate?

They date of birth is the day they were known as a country. I don't know if it was under Italy or Great Britain.

I wonder why Nigerian blame the British for what transpired in 1914 since according to some of you, Nigeria was born in 1960. Shouldn't we be blaming ourselves instead if that's the case?

CFCfan: The Queen of England is still the Head of State for both countries.

Same with Canada. Is Canada not a country?

shymexx: Australia and New Zealand are completely different in this context. Technically, they are still part of the UK, with mostly ethnic Britons, and the Queen is still the head of both countries.

But are they countries or not? Should it matter who's on guard as far as they have the idiosyncrasies of a country and are referred to one. You guys are mistaking a sovereign country with a country.

shymexx: Was Nigeria really a "Nation" in 1964, or a colony? What did the Nigerian flag in 1914 look like?

Let me help you out:

1914

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Flag_of_British_Colonial_Nigeria.svg/800px-Flag_of_British_Colonial_Nigeria.svg.png

So, now it's about flag? Lol Maybe Australia and New Zealand are not countries since their flags are replication of the British flag.

ba7man: Which one would you celebrate??

The day you were moved to "BLOCK C" in prison to join other prisoners.............Or the day you and the other prisoners in "BLOCK C" gained your freedom

It's not really about the date you choose to celeberate but the day you'll call your birthday. I don't care if the independence day is valued more than the 1914 amalgamation but the point remains the freedom is not the same as birthday. Slaves in America did not call the day they were free their birthdate but the day they were born even though they were still slaves.

alexleo: I ve always disagreed with people who wants us to believe that once we are saved we cannot be regarded as sinners again even if we sin. They tell us that when someone in grace sins, it is no more counted for him. A lot of misleading teachings here that one should be careful not to fall into. These are the last days and we are warned about false prophets. Pls let's be very careful and prayerful. God hates sin till eternity.

A sin is a sin whether or not you're born again or not. The only thing is that when a Born Again Christian sins, he does not need to be born again twice cos you can only get born again once.

9jacrip: relevant as regards uniting the Northern and Southern protectorates - this only set the stage for '1960 Nigeria'. Pretty much irrelevant and not worth celebrating - it is like acknowledging British imperialist and self-serving move to be a 'good' deed.

1960 remains the koko.

When the Northern and Southern protectorate were amalgamated, did they wait till 1960 to call it Nigeria? What changed in 1960 apart from the change in guard.

VillageBoi: Ok nah... so you nefa see 'IJE - The Journey'?

No, i haven't.

speedyboi: Yeap!

the first one nko?

I don't think i've watched a story where an African immigrant in caught in a web of murder. I'll pass.

speedyboi: nope!

Is it "My best friend's girl"?

Billyonaire: Yes you can.. there are sovereign colonies.

But if the colony gets orders from outside, it can't be said to be sovereign.

^^ Is that Bruce Almighty?

Billyonaire: So many ignorant people on Nairaland here. Northern Protectorate and Southern Protectorates were amalgamated in 1914, thats when Nigeria became a Nation was got her Sovereignty although a colony of Britain. 1960 is when Nigeria got Independence from Britain but her sovereignty was established in 1914.

Any other assertions is bullshit.

You can't be sovereign and still be getting orders from Britain. The whole idea of sovereignty is that there's no external interference in a country's affairs.

Though i agree with your other assertion.

A-ZeD:
Conceive

to form (a notion, opinion, purpose, etc.): He conceived the project while he was on vacation.
2.
to form a notion or idea of; imagine.
3.
to hold as an opinion; think; believe: I can't conceive that it would be of any use.
4.
to experience or form (a feeling): to conceive a great love for music.
5.



verb (used without object)
10.
to form an idea; think (usually followed by of ).
11.
to become pregnant.

Though you're right and i'm not disputing the original meaning, but it depends on the context that you're using the word. I could use "Concieve" to replace born dependind on what i'm talking about.

Anyway, i don't even know what bearing the word has on my original assertion.

Katsumoto: What birthday does the United States celebrate? The birth of the first colony in 1607 or the amalgamation of the 13 colonies (1733) or the declaration of Independence in 1776?

Secondly, should Southern Cameroon also celebrate the Amalgamation of 1914 since it was part of Nigeria in 1914?

I don't know much about how the US came to be. Maybe you can help us.

Why should Southern-Cameroon celebrate Nigeria's amalgamation when it's no longer part of Nigeria.

Brimmie: Ok let me help you Kiddo..

Conceiving is like when something is Forming.. So Conceived is when something is Formed! Like when a Spermatozoa is formed!
Let's just say Foetus!

So Born is the final stage of Development.

But Afam your Teacher at Creche and Elementary School did a Good Job!! As-in your level of Comprehension is so fvcking Poor and Annoying!

SMH at Billy!

See NairaLand Moderator!

Who's talking biology? When a man tells you his wife has conceived, it means his wife has put to bird or that he wife don born pikin.

I wonder how you found your way to this section.

jmaine: it is irrefutable that Nigeria and 1914 are inseperable. . . . . .

GBAMEST

braine: Celebrating 1914 is like celebrating the time a child was conceived rather than when it was born• Come on man•

So, what's the difference between been conceived and being Born. I think you mean to say Reborn.

The ignorance on this thread is mind bugging. A lot of Nigerians have been mis-educated. I even heard an ignorant newscaster calling October 1st 1960, Nigeria's birthday.

malc619: Can you explain why we never celebrated 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 etc years of our being Nigeria??

You dodged my above question.....

Why didn't you change the name of the country when you gained independence from the colonial powers to mark the beginning of a new nation. Nigeria has always existed since 1914 as a country despite being a British colony and it remains Nigeria's birthday. I don't even know why anyone would argue that. Fashola goofed on this one.

Billyonaire: FASHOLA IS IGNORANT HERE.

NIGERIA BECAME SOVEREIGN NATION IN 1914
BUT GOT HER INDEPENDENCE 1960

WITHOUT 1914 THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO 1960 SO 1914 GAVE US IDENTITY AND IS A GREAT TIME IN HISTORY.

I CELEBRATE......
I JUBILATE.........

I thought i was the only one that noticed this.

malc619: You are kinda dense sha...

Pre 1960 Nigeria was a British Colony. I guess you're arguing because really do no understand what the word "colony" means.

And in Pre-1960, it was not called Nigeria? Answer me, Mr intelligent guy.

malc619: When was Nigeria born as an independent sovereign nation ??

When id Nigeria's name become Independent Sovereign Republic of Nigeria?

ryom: @adaobi- thanks. Im really surprised there are no direct flights to NYC!

I think it's because the Nigerian population in New York is not as much as that in Atlanta, Houston and Baltimore/DC.

malc619: Nwokem, shebi you sabi read so??

I sabi read well well

the date of birth of a child that we celebrate and I think that birthday is October first 1960

The name of this country is Nigeria and not Independent Republic of Nigeria

CFCfan: Lai lai. The Citizens will win tomorrow. Just as Man Utd were demolished, so also will Bayern suffer the same fate. City ALWAYS turn up against the big teams.

You must think Bayern is an ogbanje premiership team. Bayern are the champions of Europe and Man City has no pedigree in europe. Infact, they're not even ranked in Europe, so i don't know whether it's in the dreams of the players that they will beating Bayern.