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joviegghead:
I just wanna ask, how would y'all rate the performance of:

Pedri (especially this boy)

Coutinho

Braithwaite

I've always been of the opinion that Braithwaite should get more playing time because he has the verve and determination that some players lack.

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Sanchez01:
How you don't see that Barcelona is a flop this season is beyond me. What were you expecting, that Barcelona sit on the table just because they aren't having issues? Or isn't Barcelona's performance blighted by their on/off pitch problems? Should we now suddenly pretend that the La Liga is so tough because Barcelona and Mess have become a shadow of themselves?

For the record, the Madrid you referenced now is a slightly better version of the current Barcelona team. There are tons of issues with the team and there were talks about Zidane's sack until the win against Inter Milan weeks ago.

Serie A is a not so spectacular team, particularly without Ronaldo. Barcelona has dominated the La Liga so bad until last season that Madrid edged them out. Quality of football rests with Spain but there is no denying that it is the second easiest leagues of the top four.

Again, Barcelona is a dying team and its testament is Messi's open play goals this season. Your argument would have been firm and made sense if Barcelona and Real Madrid were at their best and still in the positions they are on on the table. Saying the La Liga is tough is worthy of Basketmouth's entrance at any comedy show.

Barcelona and Madrid dominated football for over a decade and just because they have dipped does not mean they're worse than every other team out there. I understand that Barca is nowhere as good as they used to be. That's why it's weird that a supposed washed up Barca team can beat the Italian champions Juve away and also top a UCL group. It simply tells you that even though they have become worse that they used to be, they're still better than most teams. Only few teams in Europe can beat Barca.

What is happening in La Liga currently is like what has been happening in the premiership for some years. All the teams no longer have much seperating them in terms of quality unlike when Barca and Madrid used to dominate any team they come across.

Sanchez01:
The La Liga isn't tough at all. Bundesliga is the only league the La Liga seems to be tougher than. The EPL and Serie A are much tougher.

But then again, we all know Barcelona's UCL form is all facade. The woes and frustration of the club is huge right now and a UCL disaster will amplify how bad Barcelona has been this season.

Akuko...How does this make sense to you when Barca is sitting at 13th position with Madrid in 4th? How is a Serie A that is dominated by Juentus year in year out more competitive? Though i'll admit that Serie A will be more competitive this season. The same Juventus that a badly shaped Barca destroyed in Turin?

This might be a dilemma for people who think the La Liga is not tough enough.

I also want to know what other traditional rulers in Edo state apart from the oba of Benin are called.

I've been following the back and forth about who originally owns the word "Oba" between the Bini and Yoruba and despite the fact that we've always been told that it i s the benin people who own that word owing to how cultural we allude them to be, i'm having a rethink because i base my judgement on fact. While this is not conclusive, i think i'm more inclined to think that Oba is indeed a Yoruba word.

However, we will await ore rebuttals with facts supported by documents as requested.

solonubinho:
They're not overpriced. More like the value of your Naira is nowhere to be found.

There's no value in those houses that should not be more than 100 million at most.

1 billion ko 10 trillion nee. Only in Nigeria do you have these overpriced houses. You will get a better quality house for that amount in Dubai or anywhere in South Africa.

I've come to realize that when people ask you "How are you?"/ They're not asking because they care or wan to help if you have any issues. They're asking because they feel it's a courtesy to do so. And they expect you to answer that you're fine.

I think we need to to back to when people could choose whatever password they deem please whether it's easy to guess or not. It's their freaking choice. These days, people forget their passwords like everyday. What's the point of using complicated passwords if you won't remember them.

Easternmind:
Igbo is no new thing here please...
The name Igbo is as old as or even older than the 9th century for your information,that is even when Igbo ukwu art works were dated back to,to the 9th century,those bronze art works has Igbo cultures imprinted on them,they were actually people answering the name Igbo for centuries though not all people that answer or accepted to be part of Igbo answered the name Igbo,they probably answered there town names or village names only and first before they in the 20th century decided to be in one unit as igbo.
If ikwere does not want to answer or identify with Igbo then it's fine they can be on their own,I agree that we should respect that.

The word "Igbo" is not necessarily a new thing. What is new is using the word to refer to the people we now know as Igbo people.

samuk:
Your submission is very skewed and biased, you already concludes that certain tribes are Igbo before calling for DNA evidence.

Supposing a DNA analysis shows that all the people of southern and middle belt Nigeria are related, what name would you call them, would you then agree to be called Benin due to this blood relationship, because the name Benin is older than Igbo or should the Edo, Yoruba, Igala, Idoma etc, people that share this common blood
relationship now be called Igbo.

If you wouldn't agree to being called Benin, Igala or Idoma (all older names than Igbo), why then would you want Ikwerre or any other independent tribe outside the south east to accept the Igbo tag even if DNA shows blood relationship between these tribes and those that now call themselves Igbo.

Artificial names such as Igbo and Yoruba have to be agreed to by every one that want to be identified as such. Anioma is a collection of formerly different tribes that made up Delta North, all these tribes don't have issues being called Anioma today even though they have different heritages, Same way the old Bendelites were proud of the name Bendel. The name Igbo should be confined to south east rather than forcing tribes outside the south east to adopt it.


The name Igbo seems to be problem for those outside the south east to identify with, other tribes are not keen to associate with the people that currently goes by the social political name Igbo. The question should be why?

The Igbo can drop Igbo and adopt the name Ikwerre instead of Igbo for all the tribes in the south east, I am sure the Ikwerre people wouldn't mind. If can adopt Ikwerre why would you want Ikwerre to adopt Igbo identity.

This is a perspective that further buttresses the point i was making. Igbos and Ikwerres see things differently. Ikwerres see no reason why they should be called Igbo and not Igbos calling themselves Ikwerre considering that these two groups are an artificial creation. But you should also understand the perspective of some Igbos who think "Heck, we're the bigger BIA speaking group and everything that calls God 'Chukwu' should use our name".

FuckThaMod:
Hehehe..
Did Rivaldo play with Ronaldo? Did Rivaldo play for barca or not?

And did Rivaldo call him the GOAT or say he's better than Messi? What's your point?

Ferguson, who was Ronaldo’s manager during the Portuguese six years at Old Trafford told The Mirror, “People say who is the best player in the world? And plenty of people quite rightly say Messi – you can’t dispute that opinion.

This is all i just needed to see.

The only people that choose Ronaldo over Messi are those who at one time or another either played with or coached Ronaldo. Every other person thinks otherwise.

Not like he controls the party currently. They just call him the leader of the party out of his contribution to the election of Buhari. They will remove him when they deem it fit.

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Wahala for who no like Erica.

RedboneSmith:
In Professor Akintoye's book "The History of the Yoruba People", the good prof included the Itsekiri as part of the Yoruba erhnic group. How is that different from what the Igbo do vis-a-vis the Ikwerre?

The difference is that unlike the Itsekiri, the Ikwerre and other Igboid groups vehemently and forcefuly reject any link with the larger Igbo group. This even makes Igbos push harder and harder. That's not to say that all Itsekiris claim Yoruba. Infact, most of them do not but even those that do, do it in a subtle manner.

China is already testing 6G. Wahala for Pastor Chris

I watched a clip where Governor Nyesome Wike when talking with Dele Momodu on Instagram made a statement that IPOB renamed Oyigbo to Obigbo. growing up in Port-hacourt in the 90s, i've always known that place to be called OBIGBO because when you stand on Aba road, you hear conductors calling passengers going to Obigbo and Aba. So, i'm shocked that he's claiming that Oyigbo is a new invention.

Throwback:
I reckon that Christianity is now in danger and Biden is a Freemason and illuminati who will bring about the new world order?

The way religious fanatics and conspiracy theorists reason, you would wonder how they get to achieve anything tangible in their actual lives.

Building more psychiatric hospitals would help cater for the future needs of Nigeria, because many are already mad, only that a few are roaming.

Honestly, one can be inherently daft but still successful. Donald Trump is a case in point. Some Christians should thank their stars that being successful is not always a function of critical thinking.

Most times once someone tells you they support Trump, you can always tell the person's mental capacity. I think IQ tests should be replaced by just asking people who they support in this election.

Wahala for who dey support Trump.

michelz:
The case of Isoko and Urhobo is quite different.
They have very distinct languages that are not mutually intelligible.
Not same with Ikwerre. Ikwerres don't have any other language apart from Igbo.
If I may ask,how do you identify an American without asking him or her? How do you identify a Yoruba,an Hausa,Fulani or an Igala man without asking? How do you identify an Igbo man or woman without asking?
If I say and argue that 1+1 equals to 3,you know obviously it is wrong but would you force me to accept that the correct answer is 2? You'd probably leave me to my delusion.

Urhobo and Isoko are not as different as you put it. Maybe we'll need someone from these areas to shed more light. However, i think the difference is similar to the difference between Ikwerre and any other Igbo sub-group. Ikwerre have a different language that is not Igbo and that language is Ikwerre.

The question of whether Ikwerre is Igbo is not a a question of arithmetic though I get your point and nobody have argued against the fact that Ikwerre and Igbo are mutualy intelligible but it does not make Ikwerre Igbo if they don't want to be. However, Ikwerre is an Igboid language whether they like it or not. We must learn the distinction between language and ethnic identity. The Irish, Scottish and Welsh now speak as much English as England but it doesn't still make them English. I'm not comparing Ikwerre and Igbo with these countries. I'm only using it to describe the distinction between language and ethnicity.

michelz:
Your point is very clear.
However, what doesn't sit right is intentional revisionism of history.
Ikwerres don't speak an Igboid language; they speak Igbo. In fact,they speak raw unadulterated Igbo even considering the various "non-Igbo" ethnic groups they have mingled with for years.
When you speak Igbo, your culture, customs and the names of your villages are Igbo,your surname is Igbo,then only a fool would need to be told that he is Igbo.
I don't begrudge them of claiming to come from wherever, but the burden lies on them to keep on explaining to an Hausa,Yoruba or other foreigners how they are not Igbo but migrated several centuries ago from who knows where.

This same thing you said about Ikwere and Igbo, just replace it with Urhobo and Isoko or Efik and Ibibio so that you can understand where i'm coming. That's not to say that you don't have a point in your assessment of the situation. But like i said Ikwerre people do not see it with the same eyes that Igbos see it. Why you may think all "Bia" speaking people or people who call God all the variations of Chi/Chukwu should be Igbo, Ikwerres do not have that same school of thought. As far as they know, every village can be a tribe. Little wonder Rivers state has one of the largest concentration of ethnic groups even though most of those ethnic groups understand each other to some extent.

AreaFada2:
Afam, the long and short is that over time people develop their own identity. Wherever they came from originally is history.

Urhobo, Isoko, Esan, Afemai and many more know when they left Benin Area. All roughly between 700 and 500 years ago. Nobody is forcing Beniness down their throat.

When you too enthusiastically want to dictate people's identity to them, they are bound to be suspicious about the motives.

My point exactly.

I'm sure we're not new to the whole Ikwerre-Igbo argument and this has been going for so long and nobody from either places are ready to concede. I'm here to tell you why.

I will start by stating my personal opinion on the matter.

If you have followed me on Nairaland, you will know that in the earlier years of Nairaland, I felt it was stupid not to think of Ikwerre as Igbo but in recent years, I've changed my perception which is not to discount the Ikwerre and Igbo link but rather to concede the fact that people have the right to call themselves what they so choose. I mean, it can be insulting to tell someone who they are even though they claim otherwise. It doesn't matter the reason why such a person thinks he's not Igbo whether factual or plain lies. Afteral Ethnic Groups are to a large extent an artificial creation.

Now, back to my argument...

The reason most Ikwerres say they are not Igbo is visible the moment you cross Ore(in Yorubaland). It is evident that it was not only Igbo groups that were not centralized. Even around Edo state where you had the famous Benin empire, that was what it was, an empire. However, some different groups in that empire did not see themselves as coming from the same stock. That is why despite the glaring similarities between Bini and Esan, they are distinct groups despite being in the same state.

It is the same story in Delta state where despite the closeness in language between Urhobos and Isokos, they are classed as 2 different groups when one could be a dialect of the other.

Akwa Ibom and Cross River is another typical example. When you hear people speaking languages from those 2 states which most Nigerians call 'Calabar', it sounds pretty the same but people from the groups will tel you that they are either Efik, Ibibio, Annang or even Oron.

So, with these examples, you can see that a lot of these groups were not centralized and as such do not favour coming together to form a large formidable group.

The same thing can be said of Ikwerre and some other Igboid groups that distance themselves from the Igbo tag. They see Igbos the way isokos see Urhobos and the same way Efiiks see Ibibios. They know they have a lot of similarities with each other but they have created an identity no matter how little and that is why they would rather be their own group.

Having said that, there's a small difference in the relationship between urhobos and Isokos, Efiks, Ibibios and Annangs to the relationship between Igbos and Ikwerres.

While the former groupps are to a large extent cordial to each other, it's a tricky situation between Igbos and Ikwerres. Yes, Igbos and Ikwerres mix, marry and all but Ikwerres have the feeling that Igbo want to dominate them. They could be right or wrong but you can't exactly false that entire premise because they can't really understand why Igbos can't let them be who they want to be without forcing it down their throat.

That's why a lot of Ikwerres who can speak central Igbo are even wary of speaking of Speaking Igbo to Igbo people because that may make whoever they're speaking it with think that they're Igbos. That's why you notice that Ikwerres find every possible thing to further move away from the Igbo tag. Even if it means claiming to have migrated from Benin.

So, in conclusion, Ikwerre could be an Igbo dialect in another universe but the way things stand right now, it's almost impossible and their wish to be called Ikwerres should not be disrespected.

Man U plays at 6:55pm not 9pm.

I'm just getting feelers that Trump is leading in Aba and Ogbomoso.

This is beginning to look like a win for BIDEN. Wahala for Nigerian evangelicals.

If things stand the way they are currently in terms of who is leading even in states that are still counting then Trump should win. But if Biden could flip in script in states like Georgia then he could win. I say Georgia because most of the votes that are yet to be counted are in the Democratic stronghold of Atlanta.

I hope Biden wins but if trump does, i'll find another country to go search for greener pastures