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raumdeuter:
I disagree. None of them would play Messi a 5ft8 tall winger, centrally where you would get the best out of him, None of them would play to dominate play with 75% possesion

Busquets would probably have been overlooked by most of those managers

Peps Barcelona is being regarded as one of the greatest teams of all time, Maybe only Sacchi ACMilan among those you mentioned would lay claims to such . I mean win and be dominant like Barcelona was

Having a team regarded as one of the greatest of all time does not automatically mean the manager to is on the list of greatest.
I mean who were the managers of the great Real team that won 5 straight European cups, who managed the great Bayern side of the 70s etc.
I am not saying Pep is not good/great but great team does not equate to great coach......it is mainly about the players
Even the great Arrigo Sacchi found failure everywhere in club football after his Milan stint cos he never again worked with players of the quality of Baresi, Gullit, Van Basten and Rijkaard.
IT IS EASIER FOR A MANAGER TO APPEAR GREAT WHEN HE IS COACHING GREAT PLAYERS

raumdeuter:
Getting rid of superstars(Ronaldino, Deco) and hoping on untested players(Pique, Busquets) or players that have been written off(Xavi) is a very risky venture.


Its like City having a poor season they hire their youth team coach who comes gets rid of Yaya Toure, Aguero and Kompany Promotes Adarabioyo and Faupala and Iheanacho change their brand of football entirely and win sextuple by December 2017. Would you say that youth manager was a passenger in the City win?

These same players you said Pep inherited were there when the team was finishing trophyless and 18points behind league leaders

After Pep, Barcelona has crashed out of the quarter finals twice which they never did in Pep 4 years

At barcelona he didnt get a better team, he made them better, He made Xavi better, he made Iniesta better, he made messi better he made Busquets better he made pedro better, Without him all of them probably would never reach the level they are Messi would probably be an unfilfilled 13goals a season winger, Xavi would have been sold and probably retired earlier, etc

At the beginning of 2008/2009 season would you say emphatically that barca would win the La liga? So how do you mean he never faced superior opposition?

Winning with underdogs is one thing, winning as a top dog is another thing. Mourinho has tasted both sides and he was sacked from the two clubs where he was top dog

You have made good points. Especially about his vision in shifting Messi inside and getting rid of Etoo on the second attempt.
He is definitely a good coach like I conceded but we have to also concede that he was dealt a great hand by destiny with quality players he had at his disposal.

Wetin be all this VMAs wey Nihilist and A40 dey talk? Abeg make una no cause confusion here o

To the argument, Pep is a very good coach but his achievements have led to him being vastly overrated .
If you give Alex Ferguson or Ottmar Hitzfeld or the young Arrigo Sacchi that Barca team (with Messi,Xavi,Iniesta and Busquets all together and all at their peaks supported at different times by Zlatan,Henry,Ronaldinho and Etoo) those other coaches would have done the same or even more. Just my personal opinion

RuuDie:
Weedtaker, dahdemola.
Una blood too dey hot. Remember Nani vs Valencia!!? Now where Nani dey. Una go still dey here see am. Our people sey Wetin old man siddon see... ... ...

Most old men have problems with visual acuity, especially old men that see Rojo replacing Vidic and Iheanacho better than Aguero

We need at least a CB,RW, 1 or 2 CMs and a CF. That way Rashford, Lingard, Adnan,Memphis and Perreira can be our options off the bench while we offload Mata, Teiger and Carrick in January if the new players do well.

Lukaku is bigger, stronger and more experienced but Martial is the one with the greater,rarer talent/potential. Whether he fulfills it is a different matter however.

Leyqute:
As far as I'm concerned, Rashford is playing under much higher tension that Kelechi is. That plays a major role on players' performance on the pitch.

Iheanacho has better team mates, plays under less pressure and very importantly is years older than Rashford. They are both doing well though so I have hopes for both of them . Saying one is on a level above the either is debatable but saying either is presently better than Aguero is strange talk.

Iheanacho is better than Aguero the same way Walcott is a better finisher than Cristiano Ronaldo........inside the dreams and aspirations of certain people.

Lol Iniesta has suffered in your hands. From "best midfielder in the game" to "unproductive nigga" now he is a cripple?

Ibime:
Jan 1995 to 1997, Andy Cole and Cantona were Utds 2 upfront. No space for Paul Scholes there.

I know what Dadehmola is talking about. His first couple of games he played as a 2nd forward. That was how he was introduced to the Old Trafford crowd.

There was no Yorke and Sheringham too as you earlier claimed. In those years Scholes was a sub playing both in attack and midfield( wherever space appeared) and he played many many matches in attack.
For example from Jan 1995 to October 1995 when Cantona was banned for the Kung fu kick incident our attack was Scholes and Andy Cole......and the soon departed Sparky
And our midfield was Keane,Butt.......and the soon departed Guvnor

Ibime:
Scoles started as the 2nd midfielder in a 4-4-2 with Roy Keane.

He wasn't no 2nd striker, not where Sheringham, Solskjaer, Dwight Yorke, Andy Cole and Cantona dey. He can only have played a couple of games as a 2nd striker.

He and Barry have played the same position for the bulk of their career.

Paul Scholes actually played quite a number of matches as a striker earlier on. Between 1994 when he broke into the team and around 1997 when Roy Keane injured his cruciate ligament in the first Alf Inge Haaland tackle Paul Scholes was used mainly in attack while first choice midfield was Keane and Butt.
The injury allowed Scholes to gain a starting shirt in midfield with Butt and when Keano got back in 1998 it was Butt and not Scholes who went to the bench.

Nice one. Dadehmola completed the job i started on Dayo. Even Alexander the Great can not save him from the tortuous knot he has tied himself into this time.
Shebi he is in Yankee? He should enter U.S politics, his flip-flopping would be an asset there
If he flip-flopped any more than this he would be a fish

raumdeuter:
Puskas was probably the only decent player in his country for several years Same with Best. Even right now how many Northern ireland players play in top leagues?

but England. The home of football cant buy a final in 50yrs

In 2months time we should celebrate half a century of barrenness what a shame. Even Greece, Czech don win but England rara oo

While they are showing us pllayers making Team of the year

Puskas was the ONLY DECENT player in a team that went undefeated for about 5years, reached a World Cup final and won Olympic Gold?
why not doubt puskas since his country has failed to produce great players since? Why is it only Charlton and other great English players of the past that u can doubt?
Or have Northern Ireland and Hungary been banned from producing great players since?
Why can't u just admit that the same way Hungary once had great players that got things done, England has also had great players.
The quality of players from decades ago does not affect the quality of current players.
The greatness of Banks,Moore,Charlton has been validated by their titles,awards and several several sources but you will come with your logic and say because Hart,Cahill and Wilshere are not great then Banks,Moore and Charlton could not have been great. It makes no sense

Why not doubt Lev Yashin too? After all Russia has stopped producing great teams.

raumdeuter:
Puskas and Best come from countries that are football minnows

England has no excuse not to make a final in 50yrs except that all their players except a few are mediocre

But a country becomes football minnows by having mediocre players. So Hungary and Wales by being minnows according to you must be filled with mediocre players e.g Best,John Charles,Puskas,Koscis etc

Also you have to explain how the England team of only mediocre players in 1966 got to the World Cup final and won it.

Or how a mediocre player like Bobby Charlton became a fixture on the Ballon D'or list for multiple years while a great player like Littbarski could only come second in an award by a teen fashion magazine in Germany.

raumdeuter:
What you call Anglophobia is what I call being realistic, A country has not made a major final in 50yrs you have to question every of their so called world class players

Greece has made a final, Czech republic has made a final yet the so called Home of football cant make any final in half a century

Maybe when England wins something the Anglophobe claim might be justified

In other words Littbarki and Podolski are better than Bobby Charlton,Ferenc Puskas and George Best. Brilliant logic

raumdeuter:
I dont think its my Anglophobia that has made English NT not play a final in 50yrs, Nor make EPL below Bundesliga currently

Wolfsburg a team 8th in Buli just beat Madrid, Care to tell us the last time Madrid met an EPL side what happened sef? Oh It might be my Anglophobia stopping them

When I talk of Anglophobia I am talking of you saying Littbarski whose only individual award was Bundesliga goal of the year 1985 was a better player than Bobby Charlton who won the 1966 Ballon d'or and was 2nd in 1967 and 1968, was FIFA World Cup player of the tournament in 1966 and also made the team of the tournament in 1970, then made the FIFA World Cup All Time Team.

THAT is what I mean by Anglophobia.

raumdeuter:
Boateng i his prime was beasting CL finals, beasting world cup finals. WHat was Terry doing in his prime in these big games? Throwing away the cup, getting suspended for the finals

The last world cup game Terry played. He was declared a flop. Care to tell us the last world cup game Boateng played?

If they were cars Boateng would be a Benz and Terry would be a Keke Marwa

Beasting? Lol
Does this beasting ban him from winning individual awards? Awards that we can make reference to like Fifpro or uefa team of the year or ballon d'or or team of the tournament? I don't mean the legendary "beast of the finals" award o.

If they were scientists Terry would be Einstein and Boateng would be Teacher Chike.

raumdeuter:
My argument is that Boateng currently is better than Terry was ever in his entire career. The biggest games in football Boateng showed up. CL final WOrld cup final

Terry nko? How did Terry perform in his big games? Actually Terry had a negative impact on his team until he was suspended before his team could have any success. The only CL final Terry played he threw it away. The finals he missed his team won

Terry's last world cup game he was a flop, Boateng last world cup game he was a hero

Every thing Terry dreamt about in his career Boateng achieved before 28yrs.

Boateng would be Denzel, Terry would be Mr Latin.

Terry in his prime was alternating awards with Nesta,Puyol,Cannavaro and Maldini. Many years he edged out some of those guys.
Boateng in his prime is playing third fiddle to David Luiz,Pique and Diego Godin while playing in a dominant team.
Almost all his team mates are getting individual awards except him, is there a clause in his contract prohibiting him from getting awards?
If they were boxers Terry would be Floyd Mayweather and Boateng would be Musiliu omo iya onikoko.

AdeLaNa1:
Lol! Doc the thing tire me. When Terry wins it, the awards and nominations are just a popularity contest and Terry can/was never better than Boateng.

Now its these same awards and nominations that Pa Ramuzaki is using to judge Neuer, Bravo and Buffon as better GKs than De Gea and am just like....

Dayo is affected by 2 things 1) his Anglophobia. He hates everything English and would argue in the face of records,statistics and facts 2) his amorality. He is not averse to twisting the facts, making fallacious statements or outrightly lying in order to dig himself out of the holes his Anglophobia gets him into.

Nihilist:
Remember the start of the season

Chai cougar needs to be flogged. That dude is the ultimate false prophet

Coogar was a confidence artist extraordinaire, that is why I don't blame all the guys on this forum that became his "come rain or shine" supporters. Elampiro was the first to call them out here but I knew it was a lost cause.
That is why people who rarely watch Ligue 1 would be saying we should buy Lacazette or people would say we should buy Sigurddson or Dembele of Spurs instead of Modric

raumdeuter:
Show you cannot show a single EPL defender rated ahead of Boateng

Ok. SHow us an EPL defender with a World cup and a CL?

Waiting tick tock

My argument is that John Terry in his prime was miles miles and miles better than Alago of life.
Despite playing in a dominant team fans,analysts and players have come together to confirm Boateng as Sh..t worthy only of 3rd team.
The difference between Terry and Boateng is like the difference between death and sleep, like the difference between Di Caprio and Ramsey Nouah. If they were drug lords then Terry would be El Chapo and Boateng would be Akindele Ile eru.

Madrid is being roasted.
Thank God we didn't waste so much money on either Mangala or Otamendi.....2 boneheaded defenders

It is very interesting how individual nominations and awards are used to judge every footballer except Alago epon Boateng who disappears like the fart of a leprous witch when these awards are being listed.
Between 2004 and 2009 the names dominating these awards were Terry,Nesta,Puyol,Cannavaro. Since then the names dominating have been Ramos,Pique and Silva.
The modality for these different awards differs, in one fans vote from a list decided by an expert panel, yet in the other players themselves vote.
Meaning fans believe Boateng is Sh..t, analysts believe Boateng is sh..t and players themselves believe Boateng is Sh..t.
No matter how the awards are decided the only constant is the absence of Alago sneh, yet we are to believe somehow that because he plays in a great team he is better than Terry in his prime.

Dayo just dey fall my hand anyhow these days.
It can only mean one thing. Coogar has used Arif the accountant to pay Dayo off and he (coogar) is now running running Dayo's profile here

This is what you get when ignorant people come online without facts and try to be "champion".
Threads like this are meant to be for intelligent discussion and debate but some will just fi ake kori and stand by untenable positions while disregarding the facts. It is rare to find any debate here ending with one party agreeing the other party was right, and that is why I have stopped long back n forth arguments here.......usually no point.
If you corner the other party they will start lying or wriggling like ekolo.....just like brother kagawa has done .

elampiro:
It was not only because of Carrick. The period Carrick was fit to play coincided with the period Phil Jones and Smalling partnered, and Ashley Young fit to play too.

Phil Jones and Smalling did not lose a match last season when they started at CB together, and that record was there for many years.

I rated Jones but I am starting to suspect he is another Jonathan Woodgate, injured yesterday recovering today to be injured tomorrow.
His combo with Smalling is still our best right now because it affords us the ability to play a high line and compress the midfield spaces, however I believe next season we need to buy a world class ball playing but physical defender to complement Smalling( who is still so poor with the ball).

We should be going for Aubameyang,Muller,Gundogan etc and not Anderson from Lazio or that Benfica teenager. No more experiments, we need peak players who would be comfortable with physical EPL football.

So someone deserves insults for disagreeing with you? Smh
He made some good points some will agree with and other points some will disagree with. E never reach to dye talk about insults.

1) Schneiderlin who was brought in to replace Carrick is quite good without the ball but modern football requires the holding midfielder to be a very good passer of the ball, he needs to work on that seriously.

2) Herrera is just slightly above average, he is made to look good by his mediocre team mates. He is very careless with the ball,lacks awareness and has the tendency to turn into danger. When he is given time on the ball he has some quality but in the EPL that won't be often.

3) The summary is that while it is true that LVG has been disappointing the major problem is the quality of the players(both the old ones and the new buys). If the board does not realise this the same players would end up causing a 3rd manager to be sacked next season

For years we have been buying subpar players only to be bailed out by the will of SAF. Now he is not there we need to buy some of the best in the world and not has beens like Schweinsteiger and Falcao or potentials like Memphis but players at their peak in their mid 20s

raumdeuter:
Injured. I see him as a better replacement for Kroos? In the tournament They can even play without a striker

Gundogan is better IMO
Well we will see I am hoping my team hosts to win like they usually do

raumdeuter:
Worst case we can use one full back and 1 make shift central turned full back. There is nothing to worry about

Only Spain and France I see as rival for the trophy

That is what I meant by stiffer opposition.
Wassup with Gundogan?

raumdeuter:
Who were the left back and right back when they won a world cup?

No be central backs plays as full backs for most of the world cup

Even without Boateng there would be Mustafi there would be Bender there would others

Mustafa and howedes that have barely played this season?
If boateng is not fit na these rudiger and tah go play o
Or u think say your manager fielded them to celebrate Easter?

raumdeuter:
Who were the left back and right back when they won a world cup?

No be central backs plays as full backs for most of the world cup

You have a point there though it might be too much to expect the unorthodox to work twice in a row.
It is using 4 centre backs that has held Belgium back in my opinion .
We will see how things pan out but there will be stiffer opposition than England come the Euros