₦airaland Forum

mzilakazi:
I don't know what Nigeria had ever done? Nigeria has manufactured fokol (nothing) throughout its existence.

Like it or not, SA has manufactured Atlas Orynx and Rooivalk.

Many...Drones, Robots, APC, Rocket Pods, etc
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Patchesagain:
- Janes does not say the Rooivalk is obsolete
- Modernity of the Hind E is irrelevant when it does not posses the capabilities of the Rooivalk
- The Rooivalk is a South African designed and built helicopter
- Provide citations for UK, Australia and Malaysia turning down the Rooivalk.

Henry, again i say:

1. Aquire a helicopter with the same or better capabilities as the Rooivalk
2. Build and deisgn a domestic weapons system with the same or better capabilities

And then we will discuss the Rooivalk.

A man with a donkey cannot insult another mans horse.

The whole world disagrees with you
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lezz:
NIGGER, FOR A FACT THE SOUTH AFRICAN PRESS HAS BEEN ON NIGERIA'S BUSINESS SINCE EVER. PREDICTING WE ARE COMING TO BLEEP YOU ECONOMICALLY SINCE 2013.

IN FACT WHEN IT WAS ANNOUNCED WE HAVE TAKEN THE TOP ECONOMIC SPOT, YOUR GOVERNNENT BLAMED YOUR MEDIA FOR FOCUSING ONLY ON THE NEGATIVE THINGS IN NIGERIA.

LOL

Henry120:
This isn't the case!!


One could almost have imagined President Jacob Zuma saying to the other African countries (Nigeria especially), “We’re the only country on the continent to build our own bad-ass ships. We’re the only country on the continent that can deploy soldiers and support aircraft anywhere on the continent. So who is your daddy?”

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2011-04-04-rooivalk-the-next-generation-mark-1/#.VWL_NjPRY8o



This is a South-African newspaper, so un-professional, so obsessed with Nigeria.

[size=13pt]Nigeria is the yardstick South Africa uses to measure their performance, they need to analyze Nigeria before they can know if they pass or fail
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MikeCZAR:
In fact one frigate can fire a missile and then the other warship guide it.

A Lynx helicopter can also be used to guide missiles.

Don't even entertain this whole bomb rubbi..sh.

Exocet is technically a fire and forget missile, it has no wire guidance.

Show us proof that your Exocet can be fired by one ship and guided by another, show me proof of that type of data-link configured by South African navy for your Exocets specifically.

Show technical proof that SAN Lynx has been configured to guide your Exocet.

Show me a source that says ship fired Exocet are guided by helicopters, you are actually quoting Nigerian Otomat missile capability

Patchesagain:
Pic 1: Vertical feild of fire
Pic 2: Horizontal feild of fire
Pic 3: Formation employed by Valour Class to provide over-lapping feilds of fire and 100% cover from missile/bomb attack

Now, if you will look past these hasty and rather crude mock-ups ( a simple proof of concept I drew up in 5 min)

You will see that a formation of 3 Valour Class can provide 100% supporting fire to each other completeing a perfect anti-air umbrella

Use of data-links allows the Valour Class to co-ordinate fire-patterns. This means that if one bomb is dropped, it will be facing 3300 rounds per minute of AHEAD ammunition.

SAN/SANDF has NO AHEAD ammunition.....Germany has NEVER sold it to you.

Four Valour frigates? How will they help each other? Each ship is under torment by eight F-7 jets....multiple swarm attack.

Datalink is useless, each one of your ships is struggling for survival as NAF jets wrecks massive havoc on your helpless sailors

Thank you Patches for proving my point with your ships photos !

It shows that the 35mm gun is at the back of the Valour frigate at a middle height far below the higher heights of the ships radar masts, cones, and antennae. So if the gun turns forward, it will fire on the ship and destroy the ship's own radars, masts, antennae, and sensors above it !

Wow ! Patches has just sank the South African navy frigate even before Nigerian munitions close in !

Suicide at sea by South African navy, Valour frigate 35mm gun sinks own ship

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MikeCZAR:
Do you know where on the frigate the 35mm dual purpose system is mounted?

And yes it can rotated like any other CIWS.


It would seem you're the one doesn't know a thing.

Tell us where the 35mm gun is mounted....on top of the ship's radar mast, hanging in the air? Olodo
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MikeCZAR:
Late seeker activation.

A lot has changed since the Falklands war.

It can be guided in different ways.

Show us technical proof that your SAN Exocet has different ways of guidance apart from fire and forget mode.
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MikeCZAR:
To avoid detection jets approached at low altitude.

Making the jet invisible to sea surface search radar? Odenson

MikeCZAR:
what is CRAM munition?

You're scared of these trap? Stop poking with your stick!

Your foolish question got a foolish answer.

If you ask me what SUBMARINE is, you expect me to start writing definition for you? No google on your laptop? Mumu

jln115:
DUDE!! I told you to go on to the website and check it for yourself, the T-Craft specs were under the photo...you are now even using my source as part of your arguments, the funny thing is that you actually thought a small IPV had a range of over 3000nm, SO PLEASE tell me how am i the fraud?

You are a fraud because you have changed the photo, that's why I showed you the first photo and bold name you posted is T-CRAFT.

Now you quickly made a new photo screenshot and posted Warrior class photo.

What you did before was to post T-CRAFT photo and name boldly and the data of Warrior class so tine and unreadable above it.

That was your foolishness not mine.

BTWN, what's wrong if an IPV has 3,000 miles range, anybody can built it if he has the engineering facility. How is that my business?

Fool....white boy with Zulu brain
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Patchesagain:
85 degrees is just 5 short of 90 (straight up)

You said that the planes will be flying above Uhmkonto range - so they will be above the ship and that 35mm can engage them

85 degrees is a slant, it is NOT straight, only 90 degrees is straight you fool

This guy does not even know basic Geometry, LOL....2nd bottom of the world South African brains

Your ships gun can only fire at a slant angle ! Simple matchs of 85 degrees geometry.....M0RON !
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MikeCZAR:
76mm super rapid naval gun. Citation provided.

Next!

Your navy says NO, NO super rapid gun, South African navy is FINAL AUTHORITY on it's own weapons.

SAN officially says you have 76mm Compact old school gun on your under-powered warships

OTO Melara 3 in 76mm/62 compact ; 2 Oerlikon 20 mm GAM-BO1; 2 - 12,7 mm MGs

http://navy.mil.za/equipment/patrol.htm

One OTOBreda 76mm/62 compact . One Denel DPG 35mm (twin).

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6524

Patchesagain:
1. who says we dont have cram

2. who says we dont have CRAM

3. dual 35mm has 2 barrels and is radar guided - so it can also shoot down bombs

4. If you are attacking from above uhmkonto range means that the bombs will be falling from above so the 35mm will be shooting straight up!

Hahahahaha

You have said for so long shilka can shoot down bombs that it is has come back to haunt you!

Bwaahahaha This guy does not know combat with heavy equipment.

Shilka is mobile vehicle, it can drive around to attack threat from any position and the gun turret is 360 degrees rotation and fire on the move.

35 mm gun on valour frigate is fixed and carrot move around, then it cannot fire backwards if the bomb is dropped in front of the ship, the 35mm gun will need to fire on the Valour frigate structures itself if it turns fully backwards to face the front of the ship !

Your 35mm gun is stuck, fixed ONLY at the back of the ship.

Next your 35mm gun CANNOT shoot straight up, the maximum elevation is only 85 degrees, it CANNOT shoot straight up, it must slant.

I told you that you know NOTHING about sea warfare.

See your Valour frigate 35mm gun photo below, when that gun turns fully backward to hit target, it will blow up the Valour frigate
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Patchesagain:
South AFrica didnt

South Africa had a worse problem than dictatorship, Apartheid, the mass murder and dehumanization of the human race
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Patchesagain:
Not wasting my time with silly arguments

I have shown that Warrior class outranges your OPV

Deal with it

At what speed? 3,600 miles at how many knots ?

You proved NOTHING ! Ranges varies with speed.

Show us the ranges of the Warrior and OPV at the same speed level, that is the only proof.

Your data was NOT comparable, the ships were rated at different speeds.

So you proved NOTHING
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jln115:
Fvck you obviously cant read can you?

Fvck, you changed the photo and image, your first post showed boldly T-CRAFT....you liar fraud !

Patchesagain:
Implying GDP size is linked to relevance

Clown

GDP was important to all South Africans on this forum in 2012 when South Africa has the biggest GDP in Africa, you boasted about your GDP !

mzilakazi:
Don't ever make noise about some certain four people who did not have any relevance to our army. Four people who visited SA at their own private affairs.


I can see that you have lost the meaning of mercenaries and do not know what does it mean. All PMCs contracted by certain military to help them or train them fight the enermy in the war is called a mercenary. Those four men were never contracted by our government and there is no war in SA. Sorry!!! you have blundered.

American mercenaries will NOT enter South Africa with guns and start killing of your homeland without government permit....unless South Africa is a failed state like Somalia where the government has no control.

Then according to your logic, SA government has no hand in the entrance and combat of American soldiers on your own homeland soil, that qualifies South Africa to be a failed state !
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Patchesagain:
Actually, the frigates have a DUAL 35mm gun.

You said Shilka can shoot down falling bomb

Why cant the 35mm on the Valour class do the same?

#TrapWithinATrap
#InceptionTrap

I meant to say 35mm Denel gun.

1. SAN/SANDF has no CRAM munitions today

2. Your 35mm gun has use of ordinary ammo NOT CRAM, it is a dual purpose gun and is able to use both ammo, but since you have no CRAM ammo, it uses ordinary shells.

3. Shilka will shoot down a bomb anytime because it is 360 degree rotation/elevation/depression . Shilka does not need CRAM to shoot down a bomb, a bomb is slow, it's NOT a missile ! Nigerian shilka is radar guided so the radar tracks and locks on the bombs and uses 4 barrel fire, not 1 barrel, 4 barrels of rapid fire, hundreds of high velocity shells will blow up the bombs.

4. Valour frigate 35mm gun is not 360 degree rotation/elevation/depression because it is behind the ship and if it depresses too low it will hit it's own ship, if it rotates fully to the back it will be attacking it's own ship and blow up the valour frigate !

Your own 35mm gun is limited in capacity and needs the bomb to be exactly at a position towards the back of the ship or side ways also towards the back. Your gun is technically defective in operational positioning.


#Trap-Dismantled By Nigeria
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MikeCZAR:
No.

You never know weather the missile is using its seeker or being guided by the ship's helicopter or warship its self.

Decoys are designed to confuse the missile's seeker.

Exocet is guided by seeker, fire and forget. Decoys defeated Exocet in war history.

MikeCZAR:
Jets to avoid detection approach at low altitude.

Naval warships of modern times have sea+air search radar, a jet at low level will be detected. Nigeria has such radars.

MikeCZAR:
what is CRAM munition?

Something you don't have

MikeCZAR:
The navy artillery includes a 76mm OTOMelera, a 76mm/62 super rapid medium-calibre automatic cannon, a Denel Land Systems GA35 35mm dual purpose automatic cannon and a SAN mk1 20mm automatic cannon.


http://www.naval-technology.com/news/news99763.html

Wrong information !

According to South African navy, you have old school 76mm compact guns NOT any super rapid that your money cannot buy !

OTO Melara 3 in 76mm/62 compact ; 2 Oerlikon 20 mm GAM-BO1; 2 - 12,7 mm MGs

http://navy.mil.za/equipment/patrol.htm

One OTOBreda 76mm/62 compact . One Denel DPG 35mm (twin).

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6524

Nigerian navy has 76mm AK-176 ultra-modern guns with superior range to Valour frigates old guns, our OPV will sink your blue water navy !
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Patchesagain:
Yeah - lets just ignore all the dictators!!

Europe had dictators even up to year 2000

Patchesagain:
Those units do not operate on private land.

Private men on Private land.

Rhino's arent citizens - they are wildlife

Even if they are insects being protected, South African homeland is invaded by American soldiers and mercenaries firing guns and killing those that SANDF + Rangers were unable to kill.

Your mercenary importation is legendary, SADF used 60,000 Angolan and 1,000 European mercenaries to fight Bush war.

Now it's American fire team of mercenaries on South African soil....or is that soil Zambian soil ? It's yours, Soweto nation
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Patchesagain:
I will post citations when you post citations for decoy effectiveness and Gripen ground search radar

No need, I already posted the citation for you since you are a fraud and liar, source directly from South African navy official website :

Economic speed of Warrior boat is NOT defined anywhere !

Range, miles: 1,500 at 30 knot; 3,600+ at economical speed

http://navy.mil.za/equipment/patrol.htm

What is the economic speed in knots ?

The only way to compare range of two ships is to speed them to same level of knots !

What is the knots that give Warrior class a range of 3,600 miles? How many knots is that ? 10 knots or what ?

If P18N ranges 3,000 miles at 14 knots, it will travel further at lower speed, say 10 knots.

Your argument of out-ranging the P18N is therefore ruined !


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DieVluit:
Ag shame, Nigeria the young democracy tog. Explains the celebration of the pic.

Envy is your problem. Nigeria started democracy in 1960, not today.

saengine:
This matter was dealth with ages ago. Do not dare waste my time. Do you remember where this topic went to next when we dealt with it last time? I said post the website in which you found this pic. I asked what must the rest of us type into google to find that same pic. Post the link to where YOU found the pic. What did you type into google to find that image?

Your mouth suddenly went quiet. You ran away like a small little b*tch. You were given the perfect oppurtunity to shut me up once and for all by simple posting which website you found that pic. That was months ago. But you couldn't. You couldn't because that screengrab was created by you, you never found it anywhere on the net. Simple. Case closed. I will not waste anymore time on this.

I posted it here Feb 8, another guy copied it and posted elsewhere Feb 9...makes sense, it's two different people

You failed to provide prove with the surnames of both people, If you cannot show us the surnames of the two Augustines, then you CANNOT prove it's the same person.....then you have no case !

Yes, a court judge will throw out your case for lack of evidence.....case closed. yes....due to lack of proof-evidence.

May I ask, is the Col. Eben on Beegeagle the same as Col. Eben of STTEP PMC ?
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Patchesagain:
Private security protects private land

No problem

Oh there is problem o !

When South African landowners get frustrated by SA Police, SA Rangers, SANDF 21 Battalion, SA Special Forces, and import foreign soldiers and mercenaries to save them inside South African towns, then your country is UNABLE to protect it's own citizens !

No wonder Zuma kneeled down and begged Bostwana to allow 500 Rhinos into exile from Kruger park to Botwsana.

Useless failed state that needs Bostwana to save it !
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Patchesagain:
Read my first post:

I love the way that you are unable to read even the simplest posts

Yes I read it, I said 5 Exocets fired and this was your first response :

Patchesagain:
3 out of 5 missiles launched

#War Histroy Proves It

I had to lecture your domingo kangaroo brain that it was 5 missiles fired, then you quickly changed story by obeying my command.

You did NOT know the war history you were claiming to know, your data was wrong, your history was wrong

I own you Patches
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