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Patchesagain:
No no no

You have made claims about chaff launchers being 100% effective

With no proof to support this

I will not entertain your argument until you provide some form of proof or fact to substantiate your claims

I never said chaff launchers are 100% effective. Quote where I said so, quote me now !

I never talked about chaff on P18N, I said decoy, not chaff.

It was you Southies who first started by asking if our decoy is 100% effective, so you must post proof that it is not !
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Patchesagain:
Ask the Royal Navy

You must post the proof of Royal navy evidence, since you make the claim. Post citations for us to see their Exocet war experience.
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Patchesagain:
Where?

We are still waiting to see the effectiveness of chaff launchers.

Bring your warship out for a fight then ! Ask Jacob Zuma to declare war on Nigeria .

Patchesagain:
Where?

We are still waiting to see the effectiveness of chaff launchers.

Bring your warship out for a fight then ! talk to Zuma that you want a war. Simple.

Patchesagain:
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Warrior class OPV

Range: 400nmi (7,400 km) at 18knts (32kmh)

7,400 divided by 32 = 231

Hence - it takes the warrior class 231 hours to cover 7400km (less than 10 days)

How many hours in 10 days? 240!

P18N range 3000nmi (5556km) at 18knts (32kmh)

5556 divided by 32 = 173

It takes 173 hours for the P18N to run out of fuel (7 days)

Conclusion: Warrior class outranges the P18N because it can patrol for ALL 10 days of its endurance while the P18N can only patrol for 7 days of its endurance

[size=20pt]All your above calculations are wrong !

Wrong because the max range of Warrior class is NOT 4,000 miles.

It's 3,600 miles....Fool. You don't know the range of your own boat

Performance:

Output, max: 11mW
Speed, max: 32 kts
Range, miles: 1,500 miles at 30 kts or 3,600+ miles at economic speed
Endurance: 10 days stores

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=454

All your calculation and maths is wrong !

I am your teacher

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saengine:
How to sink an OPV 101

How to sink a submarine 101
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MikeCZAR:
Because the navy has been tasked to patrol the waters in the Mozambiquean channel.

How?

Do you even know how the PJ-24 works?

So South African navy ordered to patrol Mozambique channel makes your navy a coast guard, according to your own logic.

How PJ-24 decoy works? How is that my problem? Do you know how Valour frigate decoys work?

Naija OPV PJ-24 decoy does the job that manufacturer made it to do....destroy ALL enemy anti-ship missiles.

GAME OVER, we win
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MikeCZAR:
substantiate this claims.

Do basic Google search, Naija OPV AK-176 gun range and Southie Frigate Oto-Breda Compact gun range.

Stop dragging this forum back to old data that we have repeatedly posted, use your google search engine or run away....because Nigerian OPV will sink the whole South African navy in few minutes of sea battle with our superior gun firepower !
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MikeCZAR:
Prove it!

Simple Google search data on Hamilton class cutter and Valour class frigate, compare their voyage endurance days at sea.

Naija OPV superior to Southie Frigate
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Patchesagain:
After much irritation, I have decided to compare the Hind-M and the Rooivalk so that there is a permanent record of their capabilities on this forum>

Rooivalk in blue

Hind in Green

From the same source


Rooivalk Specifications:

Thales TopOwl Helmets
- A Thales Avionics TopOwl helmet-mounted sight display (HMSD) provides the crew with a head-up display of information for nap-of-the-earth flight (NOE).
- TopOwl incorporates an integrated measurement system for directing an articulated weapon such as the cannon, or air-to-air missile seeker heads (look to kill capabilities).

Hind-M does not have any-such system

Electronic Warfare and countermeasures
- Rooivalk's electronic warfare suite is the fully integrated helicopter electronic warfare self-protection suite (HEWSPS)
- incorporates: radar warning, laser warning and countermeasures dispensing system.
- The system is flight-line programmable and in-flight adaptable to match the threat library with the mission's area of operation.
-radar warner features low-effective radiated power (ERP) / pulse Doppler radar detection beyond radar detection range, ultra broadband frequency coverage, high pulse density handling and internal instantaneous frequency measurement.
- laser warner provides broadband laser frequency coverage to detect and display rangefinding, designating and missile guidance laser threats.
- the countermeasures dispensing system, which is operated in manual, semi-automatic or fully automatic mode, is charged with chaff and flare cartridges.

The countermeasures suite of Mi-35M includes a radar warning receiver, a laser range finder and a location finder, chaff and flare launch system, infrared (IR) jamming system and engine-exhaust IR suppressor.


TDATS (Target detection, acquisition and tracking)

- The TDATS sight is equipped with a low-level television sensor
- Forward-looking infrared (FLIR)
- autotracker
- laser rangefinder
- laser designator.

Navigation
- Doppler radar velocity sensor
- Thales Avionics eight-channel global positioning system
- heading sensor unit and an air data unit.

Communication
- two VHF/UHF transceivers with FM, AM with digital speech processing
- one HF radio with frequency hopping
- secure voice and data channels
- and an IFF transponder.

The helicopter is equipped with an OPS-24N surveillance-and-sighting station, a television channel, a GPS-guided navigation system and an optional non-Russian radio station.


http://www.army-technology.com/projects/rooivalk/
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mi-35m-hind-e/

[size=20pt] You forgot to quote where your source says :

Mi-35M Hind year 2005 helicopter modern State-Of-The-Art Avionics

Rooivalk is NOT state-of-the art....it's not modern.....it's obsolete.

Now that is the difference !
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Patchesagain:
I remind you for the umpteenth time - the age of subsystems is irrelevant, this is a discussion about capabilities.

....but you said Nigerian NNS Thunder is having old subsystems, so age is not relevant again ? #Self-Defeat

It's been a bad week for our South African friends on Nairaland
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Henry120:
He has now gone into full attack Henry mode!!!

Let me remind you, personal attacks on me doesn't make your Half-French Rooivalk less obsolete.

It was obsolete before your attacks, obsolete during your attacks and still obsolete after them.


Go cry to your government.

Rooivalk, LOL....Obsolete flying tin can. The computers failed during Nap Of Earth flight and crashed in broad daylight

11 obsolete helicopters, they even have only 11 units to defend a country bigger than Nigerian land size. How will they cover their territory?
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Patchesagain:
Hence it is not a navy but a coast guard

Coast guards don't buy anti-ship missiles and torpedoes whether active or in reserve.

Meanwhile, I have proved Nigerian OPV will sink Valour frigate
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Patchesagain:
Prove it

Liar

No, you prove that France sold more Exocet missiles to South Africa in secret, hidden by France from United Nations reporting law.

Prove your secret extra missiles .

Liar !

MikeCZAR:
Citation needed.

Already proved on this forum many times.

P18N 76 mm gun range 10 km effective

Valour frigate 76mm gun range 8 km effective.

NN will sink SAN at sea, Nigeria is the real blue water king !
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MikeCZAR:



The navy's role is to fight at sea not patrol.

What decoys? If decoys were effective navies wouldn't be investing expensive in SAM(s) and CIWS.

The navy's role is not to patrol? So why is South Africa using warrior class as OPV and crying for new OPV on project Biro?

Yes anti-missile decoys launched by Nigerian P18N OPV built to defeat all enemy anti-ship missiles.

If decoys were not effective, navies won't be investing in advanced decoys like our own.

I have shocked you guys with Nigerian PJ-24 anti-missile decoy
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MikeCZAR:
For weeks?

Citation needed on the food carrying capacity of your old cutter?


And along does a voyage take around Africa take?

NNS Thunder is Hamiliton class OPV, endurance at sea is 45 days, repeated here since 2012 with citations. Google it.

South African navy is inferior
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MikeCZAR:
So?

The Valour Class frigates can do such!

Stopping to replenish along the way or use the navy replenishment ship if stopping isn't required.

Bwahahaaha

Blue water South African navy has to stop along the way around Africa and beg for food, fuel, drinking water, soap to bath etc from Nigeria to help them sail around Africa.....fake blue water navy !

Nigerian navy will sail around Africa non-stop ! No begging for help !

NNS Thunder sea voyage endurance 45 days

SAS Amatola Valour frigate sea voyage endurance at sea 28 days

Now who is the real blue water navy that can sail round all coastal nations of Africa non-stop without help ? Nigerian navy !
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Patchesagain:
What is The effectiveness of the chaff launcher?

I will not entertain your argument until you provide stats

What is the effectiveness of the Exocet missile?

I will not entertain your argument until you provide stats
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Patchesagain:
What is the effectiveness of the launcher?

100%

What is the effectiveness of the Exocet missile?

100% ?
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Patchesagain:
So now you are saying your OPVs cannot defeat a frigate?

Yes, I proved it
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Patchesagain:
Hahahhahaha

You have been forced to eat your words!!

You did not know the range of your own vessel!!


The only fraudster here is you!! Yesterday you claimed that the warrior class did not outrange your Opv!! If you knew your OPVs range was 3000nm why did you say that!

Warrior class Opv outranges your Opv

End of story

Story has just begun !

I said Warrior class does not outrange P18N OPV because it is impossible for a small boat to stay at sea longer than a long endurance OPV.

Warrior class OPV carries fuel for 3,600 miles, but CANNOT stay at sea on voyage after 10 days, ENDURANCE limit.

Notice that I have corrected your Warrior class OPV range, its maximum 3,600 miles not 4,000 miles as you fraudulently claim !

P18N OPV carries fuel for 3,000 miles, but can stay at sea on voyage for 20 days, ENDURANCE limit.

Extra fuel in a ship's tank is useless once the time endurance at sea is ended, no more survival for the crew ! They die !

P18N can patrol around Gulf of Guinea for 20 days non-stop, Warrior class will patrol for ONLY 10 days and run back home

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=454

The power of an OPV is sustainable patrol time at sea, not extra fuel range when the sailors can no longer survive and ship engine must rest and CANNOT work continuously.

P18N 20 days max at sea

Warrior boat 10 days max at sea

That is why I said the P18N outranges the Warrior class, we double your endurance patrol time at sea. Proved !

No wonder South Africa is crying for project Biro, trying to become like Nigeria, them wanna be like us

You are the fraudster who said yesterday that P18N range is 2,000 miles, I demanded source and you changed story to 3,000 miles....Fraud, thief, Liar

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FighterPilot:
People, beware!!! No wepon inventory of any military can be concluded through the information obtained through SIPRI. What SIPRI does is only to record weapons transaction of countries and defence industries or one military to another but their interest does not rely mostly on number of small weapons purchased. They are only more interested on quantity variables of military hardwares such as tanks, fighter jets, MRAPS, etc. They only obtain samples for missiles purchased in most of their collection of information. Using SIPRI as a basis for the credibility of information you collected about the number of missiles purchased by one country will only land you in hot water because the number of small weapons remains the secret of one military that should be protected from the public. That is also taught in espionage studies on various intelligence academies. You will get hurt by booby traps if you go after the information that one country has such and such number of missiles because what you see in the media might only be a leak to what might actually be the real picture. It might only be a leak of one transaction from a million others.

Mumu....

FighterPilot:
Just look at this man doing guess work about the number of our Exocet missile. The number of missiles one military has is very deceiving because many militaries purchase missiles in batches and only one batch can be recorded as proof that one military is now officially the user of that kind of weapons. In most cases only samples are obtained other than the rest of the population parameters of weapon inventories. All that is enough is to capture one transaction of let say 10 missiles or 20 that has ever happened between one country and suppliers.

I work in defence industry, missiles sales are order, follow up order if any, and all are captured by UN arms records.

France will NOT hide Exocet missiles sales to South Africa and deceive United Nations for the sake of black ANC government.

Fool

FighterPilot:
Just look at this man doing guess work about the number of our Exocet missile. The number of missiles one military has is very deceiving.

Okay, Nigeria has 1,000 PL-9C missiles and 1,000 AR-1 missiles.

Cool ?

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FighterPilot:
Bwahahaha…Super zero frigates and submarines. Such navies are crippled in the modern world. Better to have an army of sheeps led by a lion than an army of lions led by a sheep. Better to have an army of few frigates and submarines, than a navy with lot of small useless boats.

Small boats?

NNS Thunder

NNS Okpabana

NNS Centenary

NNS Unity

Those are big blue water ships that could sail from 5,000 km to over 20,000 km range with sea voyage endurance of 3 weeks to over 6 weeks.

BTWN, Nigeria has missile frigate and torpedo anti-submarine warfare helicopters in reserve in case of conventional war.

You need to worry about South Africa having only one frigate and one submarine operational today.

Then if anti-piracy ships are useless, you South Africans won't be crying and weeping to have project sick-Biro revived from 23 year coma

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Patchesagain:
Are your chaff launchers 100% effective?

How much chaff can they dispense?

If you think that an Opv stands a chance against a Frigate then you need to stop posting in military forums

Are your Exocet missiles 100% effective?

How many Exocet missiles do you even have? Just about 13 missiles....one and a half warship load.

LOL....Foolish Soweto navy cannot even fully arm two frigates, their missiles are for one and a half ships....world record

Yes, I have started another chapter of nightmare for South African military on this forum.

Any navy Admiral from SAN/SANDF is free to come and challenge me, Nigeria will use OPV to sink Mandela's expensive over-rated Frigates
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Patchesagain:
Provide citation that your corvette has chaff dispensers

Then provide stats for its effectiveness

And yet again, I remind you - Nigerian navy has no warships

Nightmare? Please, you are the resident donkey

Nope, I am a resident t.ormentor of South Africa.

Nigerian P18N OPVs have PJ-46 Decoy launchers, specially made to defeat ALL anti-ship missiles of South African frigates.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2014-news/november-2014-navy-naval-forces-maritime-industry-technology-security-global-news/2210-china-delivers-first-p18n-offshore-patrol-vessel-to-nigerian-navy.html

Now your Soweto navy is doomed, Nigerian navy OPV warships have anti-missile counter measures.

We shall end the war in gun battle at sea, and Nigerian OPVs have superior gun firepower over South African frigates.

Countries of the world will laugh at Mandela's navy when Abuja navy uses OPV to sink expensive frigate and make world history

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Patchesagain:
Are you really saying that an Opv stands a chance against a frigate?

Please say yes

I say NO
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Patchesagain:
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P18N range is 3000 miles

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2014-news/november-2014-navy-naval-forces-maritime-industry-technology-security-global-news/2210-china-delivers-first-p18n-offshore-patrol-vessel-to-nigerian-navy.html

Shocking revelation!!

Outranged dramatically by the warrior class opv!!!

Yet again Patrick the office worker has out-researched Augustus the military researcher using only his tablet and brain!!

Yet again Patrick has educated Nigerians about their own equipment!!!

120 million Nigerian brains and you could not find the Information!

You needed a south African brain to educate you - just like you needed south African brains to teach you how to fight!!

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Bwahahahaaha

I am smarter than you are, so I forced you to eat your own words.

Now Patches has h.umiliated himself, you said before that the P18N range is 2,000 miles.....

patches689:
Range of warrior class: 4000 miles

Type 056 OPV: 2000 miles

Fact

BWA-HAHAHAHA

Trust a Nigerian, a smarter nation to force a dull nation South African to commit s.uicide here

I knew the range is 3,000 miles for P18N, the source you used is the same source from which I got the decoy launchers/anti-missile.....Navy Recognition website, I set you up to trap yourself, and you fell flat for it !

So why did you cut down the Nigerian OPV range from 3,000 miles to 2,000 miles yesterday? Do you know that you have now confirmed yourself as an anointed fraudster? The whole forum now sees you Patches as a liar, fraud, thief !

Am I done with you now? No. More humiliation for y.ou Patches, let a military researcher from Great Nigeria teach you about sea warfare.

Now you say SAN Warrior class boat out-ranges NN P18N OPV, you are very wrong !

Learn now office worker Patrick, learn from Augustine defense industry worker, the son of Naija land, Nigeria the great :

Warship operational performance is NOT determined by miles of range, rather, sea voyage is determined by ENDURANCE days at sea !


South African Warrior boat endurance at sea = 10 days

Nigerian P18N OPV ship endurance at sea = 20 days

Means the SAN boat has only half time to survive at sea, the Nigerian OPV has double time to operate at sea.

Nigerian navy OPV is far superior to South African toy OPV only good for a swimming pool

SOURCE :

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2014-news/november-2014-navy-naval-forces-maritime-industry-technology-security-global-news/2210-china-delivers-first-p18n-offshore-patrol-vessel-to-nigerian-navy.html

Now bow down to Nigeria for educating South Africa again as usual....we own you !
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