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mzilakazi:
I have even lost the count of how many weapons BH has forcefully robbed from Nigerian Army bases, not stolen but physically robbed in Nigerian soil from their most trusted soldiers.


Do you mean AU property? SANDF defeated all Burundi rebels and claimed back all which they have stolen. All that were stolen while they were under the protection of Burundian government forces. Get the facts right.


The mighty US army lost over 200000 heavy weapons in Iraq. Theft is theft, it was always there right at the beginning and will always remain forever.


http://rt.com/usa/202707-afghanistan-us-military-equipment/

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/06/iraq.weapons/index.html?iref=nextin

We don't care about US army weblinks you are posting.

Post weblinks to prove that SANDF recovered all your heavy weapons looted from your hands by local Burundi rebels, show us proof !

I have proof that Nigerian army recovered or destroyed all our weapons looted by Boko Haram. See photos below.

Now post photos to proof South African army has achieved same thing that Nigerian army has done to Boko Haram, prove it !
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mzilakazi:
Hope your new master Mr Barlow has not done his job well to show you that South Africans have what it takes to conquer Africa.

Ask Eben Barlow to help South Africa to conquer Rhino poachers inside your own homeland backyard, before you talk about conquering Africa
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mzilakazi:
SANDF is more than 100X effective than your new masters who helped you to defeat BH.

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What? SANDF ? You got robbed of your heavy weapons by local rebels in Burundi

SANDF massively robbed of heavy weapons in Burundi !


October 31 2006 at 04:31am
By Karyn Maughan

MRAPs and Automatic Grenade Launchers looted from Army base by rebels

Burundi bungle leaves SANDF chiefs red-faced


South African National Defence Force troops were sent to Burundi to keep the peace - but it seems the poor management of equipment and the theft of South African weapons that land in rebel hands is fuelling the conflict.

Sources have confirmed that millions of rands worth of vehicles, guns, ammunition and bombs, and supplies worth over R27-million have vanished from the South African army base in Burundi over the last four years.

The missing vehicles are believed to include several Casspirs; a Mazda ambulance; Isuzu bakkies; one firefighting truck; Landrover Defenders; trucks; a water tanker; a Yamaha motorcycle; forklift trucks; Toyota Condor vans; several cars; a tractor; and a Mercedes-Benz Sprinter.

The Star has also established that among the weapons missing are 40 mortar bombs; 54 R-4 rifles; four R-5 rifles; a sniper rifle; two 12-gauge shotguns; eight machineguns; eight pistols; and 27 grenade launchers.

A 15 KVA generator is also understood to be missing.

While army authorities have previously blamed poor accounting practices for the losses, an investigation by The Star has found that on one occasion at least 50 missing SANDF mortar bombs - out of 80 bombs stolen using an army-owned Land-Rover - were found in a FNL Phalipe-Hutu rebel group camp in Kiriri, Burundi.

The FNL has been blamed for a series of mortar attacks on the Burundian capital, Bujumbura, in which at least 300 people are known to have died.

The Star has also learnt that a case of ammunition - part of a total 1,5-million SANDF-owned rounds that went missing in Burundi - was found in the possession of Burundian government forces in 2004.

As yet, the SANDF has failed to reveal how many millions of rands worth of weapons, vehicles and supplies it has lost to theft or mismanagement. Disturbingly, it seems the SANDF has no idea how many weapons are in its possession.

Now, following a scathing Auditor-General's report into the Department of Defence's "inadequate" and "deficient" accounting practices, the Democratic Alliance was due to ask the Defence Ministry in parliament today to address claims that about 70 army vehicles, over 110 weapons and items of equipment, and millions of rands worth of supplies have disappeared from the South African base in Burundi.

Minister of Defence Mosiuoa Lekota, who has admitted.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/burundi-bungle-leaves-sandf-chiefs-red-faced-1.300893#.VVNF99JViko

Africa's worst performing army of all time is SANDF
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saengine:
What is so difficult about driving a Reva MRAP? Especially for troops who have driven similar vehicles before? You needed weeks and weeks to show you where you start it and how to turn the steering wheel? They needed weeks and weeks to learn how to operate its machine gun? Reva has no high tech systems such as laser guided missiles. Eben Barlow set up, and trained Nigeria's 72 Strike Force. Why couldn't the mighty Nigerian army set it up on its own? How can a PRIVATE COMPANY set up, train and deploy an entire operational unit within another country? Very few things are more embarrassing. Like i said before, it should be called 72 Strike Force Pty Ltd. Maybe they should list on the stock exchange as well.

His 5 men trained 120 men, is that equal to an army ?

LOL, the strike force does not even have tank or artillery, just guns. Rifle team won`t defeat Boko Haram that has tanks and anti-aircraft guns
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mzilakazi:
Those are the lies which your government fed you. The PMCs were contracted to kill BH and to train your elite forces. They had the contract to fight with them hand in hand in battle area. However, Barlow said his men were always the first to launch attack.

Citation needed from Eben Barlow himself on his website
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mzilakazi:
Tell the poachers to confront SANDF, the same way BH bravely challenged your army. Tell them to arm themselves and attack or ambush SANDF and see that their existence will come to an end sooner than expected.

Actually the Rhino poachers decided not to confront SANDF, the poachers had a better strategy, so thyey just dribbled SANDF and SAAF around the bush inside your own homeland, including special lands allocated to SANDF as army owned land

Your sick army never really finds the poachers, your troops just see dead de-horned Rhinos everywhere, the poacher escapes your air force air patrol and army special forces as usual. LOL, talk about local poachers beating SANDF in it`s own game.....bush warfare, now poacher becomes bush master

Jacom Zuma frustrated, he begs Botswana for help, Rhinos removed into exile in Botswana, SANDF fails at home, GAME OVER
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jln115:
Dude whats your point? When did i say a Data-link will provide an advantage when fighting an asymmetric force? South Africa basically invented Gorilla Warfare during the Boere War, we are experts in the field!

The fact is an enemy like ISIS or Boko Harm will never be allowed to gain such power in South Africa as they did in Syria and Nigeria, They wouldve been destroyed before they knew they even existed!

Try defeat local Rhino poachers first, because Boko Haram will be too big for South Africa alone, you will need many brigade sized permanent United Nations troops deployment in every city in South Africa to help you, that`s for sure......your army is too weak to fight with your 30 battalions of HIV sick SANDF soldiers
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mzilakazi:
Bwahaha… meaning at war times, Denel will have the responsibility to manufacture and supply weapons to the military at a cost of tax payers money. Free of charge.

No wonder DENEL collapsed twice into heavy financial debt, thanks to your BEE made inefficient black Sowet brains now in management positions in your mumu nation
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mzilakazi:
What is in Denel stock is regarded as SANDF invisible weapon inventory.

Invisible weapons? Witchcraft?
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saengine:
You dont understand your own link. Nor do you understand what i said. No it is not denser than standard air, because its at a lower pressure. You are out of your very shallow depth.

You need more than a mouth full of insults to defeat these American weather professionals and their scientific fact


"Cold air contracts, becomes more dense, and thus heavier than warm air." www.ussartf.org/predicting_weather.htm
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mzilakazi:
There is no countries VLAP list as well, simple.

If you import or export guided shell/rocket boosted shell it will be listed by SIPRI.

SANDF has voluntarily listed it's own shells, only Base Bleed, NO VLAP, stop lying dude !

DENEL VLAP shell is NOT in service with any army in this world
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jln115:
For anyone interested in South Africas EW capabilities:

Old Crows meet at Aardvark Roost

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39120:old-crows-meet-at-aardvark-roost&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

Interesting, your South African experts agree that your data-link of Gripen jets and Olifant tanks CANNOT save you from Boko Haram.

"A common thread among speakers was that having a main battle tank, a Gripen fighter and frigate all data linked together will have no bearing when fighting an asymmetric force such as ISIS or Boko Haram. Using local knowledge and thick jungle, rebel forces can move a hundred vehicles through three countries in one night, undetected. "

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39120:old-crows-meet-at-aardvark-roost&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

Wow ! Nigerian military are true Napoleons to have defeated Boko Haram that crosses back and forth from Nigeria to Cameroon, to Chad, to Niger Republique at random, and at night, even dressed as civilians !

The day SANDF faces an enemy in the class of Boko Haram , the world will laugh SANDF to scorn, mumus who cannot defeat Rhino poachers inside Kruger park
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mzilakazi:
There is no proof that Nigeria has a BB, the same way you say SANDF has no VLAP despite the fact that Denel is owned by SANDF in extension.


By the way SANDF guns with a BB record a range of over 39KM.

There is no list of countries that buy BB shell, you go to war assuming your enemy has it, or else you get deleted by artillery. BB is unguided shell and nobody records is ownership worldwide. A country that buys $200 million worth of Bofors artillery will afford a few thousand dollar BB shells.

SANDF is a non profit organization, DENEL is a profit making business corp, it does not donate free weapons to anybody.

Mokopa was not ordered, means SANDF needs to order and pay for weapons from DENEL, why order and pay to buy what you claim you own?

You did not finish secondary school brah, you have zero knowledge of business and global economic principles, it's people like you that wrecked South Africa after Nigerian forced your white-masters to hand over a great nation to you, now you reduced that nation to a place that needs illiterate Somali refugees to teach you how to run a small spaza shop in your own homeland.....shame !
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rka1:
Sir Kay says:
May 10, 2015 at 8:31 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/11596210/South-African-mercenaries-secret-war-on-Boko-Haram.html



Eeben says:
May 11, 2015 at 4:18 pm

He lifted most of his report off the SOFREP website, added his imagination to it, credited someone as being a “co-founder” of Executive Outcomes (when in fact he wasn’t!!) and demoted me in the process. And then they wonder why no one wants to talk to them??

I am so sick of the laziness of some in the media! Yet these “journalists” taint the many good ones out there as they are too lazy to do even the most basic of research. I suspect some actually want us to write their media reports and simply allow them to get paid for it.

The same media that now wants to sing the NA’s praises is the same media that made use of every opportunity to belittle the NA. Sickening in my opinion.

Rgds,
Eeben



https://beegeagle./2015/05/08/proforce-defence-nigeria-configured-these-for-the-4-mechanised-brigade-nigerian-army-now-visibly-on-patrol-in-delta-state/#comments

End of discussion ! God bless you bros!
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saengine:
Comparing apples and shoe laces. You must take atmospheric pressure into account....you cant just say warm air/cold air if they are at different pressures. Warm air is less dense than cold air, AT THE SAME PRESSURE.

Example. The air you are currently breathing is warmer than air at 30 000 feet which a jet liner flies at. Does that mean a jet liner flies through denser air than that currently entering your nostrils? Why then do aircraft need to be pressurized? You think you would survive for more than 30 seconds trying to inhale the "denser, colder air" at 30 000 feet?

Basic science that anyone with a high school education would know. But i dont blame Agaugust for his lack of understanding. The likes of Henry120 will agree to whatever Agaugust says, they worship him like a god.

god ? We christians don't believe in gods, we believe in God almighty.

All we know is South Africans worship Mandela like your god.

The air argument is about freezing cold air in snow covered top of mountain Himalayas where the Bofors artillery was fighting. That is not ordinary high altitude in just any city of the world, we were talking about snow covered mountain top where the air is at freezing icy temperatures, and it is denser than any air you have in a normal world.

I proved that with a source from American weather scientists, nothing can beat their professionalism, they have concluded in agreement with my statement.

Keep sulking, does not change the experts report.

mzilakazi:
The great master of Nigeria, Mr Barlows said his men physically fought on defeating Boko Haram.

I quote:
While the Nigerian government has insisted the South
Africans' role was mainly as "technical advisers", Barlow
suggested his men had been involved in direct combat. Quote closed.


http://www.enca.com/africa/south-african-guns-hire-deployed-boko-haram-fight_uk-report
http://www.enca.com/africa/south-african-guns-hire-deployed-boko-haram-fight-uk-report


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/11596210/South-African-mercenaries-secret-war-on-Boko-Haram.html

You are quoting the private imaginary assumptions of a British journalist whose British army failed against terrorists while Nigerian army succeeded.....envy is a problem for USA, UK, and France.....Nigeria succeeded while NATO failed in Afghanistan

Please quote the website of Col. Eben Barlow himself, and show us where he said his 5 man trainer team was firing bullets on Boko Haram on a battlefield as big as Scotland....show us.....also add their photos on battlefield, like these....
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mzilakazi:
Lies as always, SANDF artillery will crash beyond recognition. You have nothing to match it. A 39 cal cannot even shoot past 25km mark.

Hey dude, Nigerian Bofors 39 cal artillery range is 30 km BB shell. SANDF G-6 artillery range is 38 km BB shell.

A Nigerian army Palmaria will close that tiny 8km gap in 8 minutes, that's if at all we are so far from each other, armies fight close combat.

"The gun has a range of 30 km, it can fire 3 rounds within 13 s and a has sustained rate of fire of 8 rounds/minute."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/fh-77.htm

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andrewza:
When did you embarrasse me?

Last year 2014.

You didn't know Nigerian navy Lynx ASW helicopter has radar hidden in the nose cone and sonar hidden in the cabin

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SANDF massively robbed of heavy weapons in Burundi !

MRAPs and Automatic Grenade Launchers looted from Army base by rebels

Burundi bungle leaves SANDF chiefs red-faced

October 31 2006 at 04:31am
By Karyn Maughan

South African National Defence Force troops were sent to Burundi to keep the peace - but it seems the poor management of equipment and the theft of South African weapons that land in rebel hands is fuelling the conflict.

Sources have confirmed that millions of rands worth of vehicles, guns, ammunition and bombs, and supplies worth over R27-million have vanished from the South African army base in Burundi over the last four years.

The missing vehicles are believed to include several Casspirs; a Mazda ambulance; Isuzu bakkies; one firefighting truck; Landrover Defenders; trucks; a water tanker; a Yamaha motorcycle; forklift trucks; Toyota Condor vans; several cars; a tractor; and a Mercedes-Benz Sprinter.

The Star has also established that among the weapons missing are 40 mortar bombs; 54 R-4 rifles; four R-5 rifles; a sniper rifle; two 12-gauge shotguns; eight machineguns; eight pistols; and 27 grenade launchers.

A 15 KVA generator is also understood to be missing.

While army authorities have previously blamed poor accounting practices for the losses, an investigation by The Star has found that on one occasion at least 50 missing SANDF mortar bombs - out of 80 bombs stolen using an army-owned Land-Rover - were found in a FNL Phalipe-Hutu rebel group camp in Kiriri, Burundi.

The FNL has been blamed for a series of mortar attacks on the Burundian capital, Bujumbura, in which at least 300 people are known to have died.

The Star has also learnt that a case of ammunition - part of a total 1,5-million SANDF-owned rounds that went missing in Burundi - was found in the possession of Burundian government forces in 2004.

As yet, the SANDF has failed to reveal how many millions of rands worth of weapons, vehicles and supplies it has lost to theft or mismanagement. Disturbingly, it seems the SANDF has no idea how many weapons are in its possession.

Now, following a scathing Auditor-General's report into the Department of Defence's "inadequate" and "deficient" accounting practices, the Democratic Alliance was due to ask the Defence Ministry in parliament today to address claims that about 70 army vehicles, over 110 weapons and items of equipment, and millions of rands worth of supplies have disappeared from the South African base in Burundi.

Minister of Defence Mosiuoa Lekota, who has admitted.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/burundi-bungle-leaves-sandf-chiefs-red-faced-1.300893#.VVNF99JViko

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mzilakazi:
Lesotho
DRC
Burundi
CAR.

so what do you say?

Lesotho was a coup plot drama, Nigerian police force can deal with, stopping riots from a coup is plot is police duty, it's not a war.

DRC Congo was a United Nations effort of military forces from many countries from all over the world doing the fighting.

Burundi was another small crisis, Nigerian police force with their helicopters, 14.5mm heavy machine guns, BTR-3 IFV can handle it well.

CAR Bangui was a 300 man 15 hour fight, and the worst escapology run away humiliation for South African army in it' history.

Current SANDF has ZERO war experience with IFVs, battle tanks, artillery, land based surveillance/spy equipment, etc

Nigerian army has both training + Experience combined, best performing army in the world 2105.

Even American army won't beat our 2015 war record.

Show us the current South African army in real war.....with 30,000 troops and heavy weapons !
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patches689:
South Africans are not Africans.

You are Americans, abi ?

MikeCZAR:
Oh @Patches689 help me.

Yes you need help brah.....T-129 is k.illing y.ou with 3 barrels

jln115:
DUDE!! WTF? Your post makes 0 sense! So what your basically saying is, the SANDF will be wiped out because we only have a 38km range compared to the Bofors 30km range?

How does this make sense dude? I mean really?

Current force of SANDF has almost ZERO war experience, and your current war history is a blank empty page

MikeCZAR:
No one shots an animal with a lot of bullets it damages the meat.

Unless his injured but won't go down.

One shot in the heart or brain, the animal will not go down? You have never hunted even a bush rat in your life

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[size=13pt]@Asuooka said Nigeria fought in the Angolan war against South Africa.

People from the Southie tail of Africa nation were arguing and disputing with him, despite his proof from sources posted here.

Well, now we have a current date May 2015 source from Nigerian air force chief of staff confirming Nigeria's military action in Angola against South Africa.

It's a pity how fellow African countries have all forgotten how Nigerian military saved them many times from the hands of death.

NAF Chief of staff, Marshal Amosu mentioned some of notable accomplishments of NAF as successful participation in the Civil War less than 3 years after its establishment; supporting Government Policy on apartheid as a frontline state by providing strategic airlift of arms and logistics supplies to Mozambique, Namibia, Angola and Zimbabwe;

http://prnigeria.com/2015/05/naf-acquires-sophisticated-craft-to-protect-nigeria/

All Africa, be grateful to Nigeria, ingratitude is a sin, learn to say thank you, and respect your big brother Naija

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Colonel Eben Barlow of STTEP PMC again on Beegeagle today !


Eeben says:

May 12, 2015 at 1:26 pm

Whereas I appreciate the thanks from everyone, Doziex – the credit goes to the men of the NA and let no other story cloud that fact.

The media are out to create perceptions but do not be fooled by them.
Rgds,

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MikeCZAR:
NOTHING! You have nothing.


Only the 39 caliber FH-77B howitzer.

Good enough to wipe out SANDF. Your army has only a 38 km shell range. Any 39 cal Bofors will shoot to 30 km FACT !

MikeCZAR:
You just said you read Helmoed's book. You have a problem with comprehension?

I didn't say I read his book, I and many people on this forum read his report on Jane's Defence website, his report proves you to be a fraud and a scam !

Show us proof of SANDF MRLS used in Bangui, liar liar pants on fire
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patches689:
Rooivalk:

- Bigger round from autocannon, more ammunition

- larger weapons payload

- more weapons hard points

- combat tested

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T-129 has current war experience in Turkey against PKK rebels who are more powerful than M23.

Rooivalk needed partnership with European MI-35 Hinds to do one lone combat in Congo DRC.

T-129 is on it's job without foreign from Ukrainian air force Hind helicopter.

The T-129 can carry 3 guns, one 3 barrel Gatling on nose, and extra two gun pods on wings.

Your Rooivalk is still stuck with only one gun with one barrel.

Rooivalk CANNOT fire one single guided rocket, all it's pod of rockets fire dumb munition, many shots wasted to get one kill on a moving target

T-129 carries 4 laser guided pods with many precision guided rockets, one shot, one kill on moving target

Obsolete Rooivalk, ultra-modern T-129.

The T-129 will fire 10 laser precision guided rockets and kill 10 high speed mobile targets one after the other without sweat, the Rooivalk will need to struggle with many wasted rockets to kill one target, then repeates the same slow process and wasteful process 10 times, by the time T-129 has gone back home to base, the Rooivalk is still struggling to hit target, most of whom have escaped at high speed.

T-129 firepower is a clear winner over the Rooivalk, we are only having this debate because South Africans don't mind saying the earth is flat and not round, as long as it makes them sleep peacefully at night, self-delusion is always your pleasure. Congrats !

PHOTO : T-129 CARRIES MANY OF THIS LASER GUIDED PRECISION ROCKET....NO RIVAL

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xwolverine:
Really?

So the number of dead soldiers equates to being actually involved in combat.

Damn... and I thought I was "arguing with a military enthusiast"...how wrong was I

I have been arguing with South Africans for a few years now, when they are defeated in an argument and too ashamed to admit, they start posting absolute garbage, that is their own way of telling you that they have surrendered and need to save face to reduce their shame.

You know these guys don't have courage to face defeat, or you ever see South Africans do any acts of valour? No, they don't, it's a gift that heaven has denied their 50 million people
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saengine:
As suspected. You are unable to answer. Fake fake fake. When you pull the trigger on a gatling gun do the bullets come out the barrel following the same trajectory? (i.e in a line) yes or no?

Again...what is the orientation of those 3 rounds when leaving the barrel of a gatling gun? In a line or side by side?

Watch my next video, it answers your question but also shows you have a low calibre brain that needs total upgrade to function on Nairaland

patches689:
Face it mate, you thought all 3 barrels fired at the same time

Gatling gun fires about 50 bullets per second.....confirmed !

One trigger pull will release 3 bullets in so short a time, split seconds so fast you cannot measure the time with a normal clock, it is as fast as if all 3 bullets came out together, the time difference is split seconds and infinitesimal, the time between the 3 bullets release is so short it's almost simultaneous....confirmed by video expert analysis of Gatling gun mechanism posted below.

Yes, T-129 has more firepower than Rooivalk.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLEGE7k9FD4
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patches689:
lol, he is still trying to dig himself out of the hole he dug.

Face it mate, you thought all barrels fired at the same time - thats why you added up all of the calibers at the same time!!

Agustus you are a shameless troll. You no longer have a shred of credibility.

When you pull a Gatling trigger once, one shot, it rolls at super speed and each full revolution releases 3 bullets from 3 barrels.

Tell me how many seconds it takes for the 3 barrels to roll and release 3 bullets....how many loooong sloooow seconds ?

Trapped You


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j0eJ0xB7LU
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