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jln115:
This is rich coming from a guy who thinks air is more dens at higher altitude.

Anyway heres more sources:
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1011
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/t129-attack-helicopter/
http://www.military-today.com/helicopters/t129.htm

Yes, on cold Himalayas mountain, air is denser at high altitude where the Bofors gun was located.

I know you are the guy who did not know that inside his own country DENEL was getting government cash support to save it from collapse

All your many sources on T-129 are incomplete, missing missile pods, or missing gun pods, or missing laser guided rocket pods.

My photo proves it all....I have posted that photo 10 times, that is example of the full range of armaments of the T-129
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patches689:
1. T-129 only carries 500 rounds for its gun, the Rooivalk carries 700. More munitions = more firepower. In terms of guns, Rooivalk has 1.4X more firepower.

2. [Citation needed]

3. And so? Rooivalk carries better ATGM's. And the T-129 can only carry 12 of such weapons

4. Two gun pods that cannot be aimed, forceing it to perform gun runs like a hind.

5. So can the Rooivalk.

Your T-129 is a lightweight Recon helicopter. Rooivalk is a heavyweight tank hunter... lets compare stats:

Lets compare:

T-129 maximum payload of ATGM's: 8
Rooivalk maximum payload of ATGM's: 16

T129 maximum payload of rockets: 12
Rooivalk maximum payload of rockets: 76

T129 gun ammunition: 500
Rooivalk gun ammunition: 700

T129 maximum weapons payload: 1,200kg
Rooivalk maximum weapons payload: 2000kg


It is obvious who has more firepower.

Nope, the T-129 has more firepower with extra guns, extra missile pods, and laser guided extra precision rockets.


Try use your head next time, see my photo below....4 AAM per pod per pylon, 4 ATGM per rack per pylon.

4 X 4 = 16 air to air missiles

4 x 4 = 16 anti-tank missiles.

T-129 beats Rooivalk into coma
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jln115:
It was retired sometime between 2010and 2013, the USS San Juan visited SA in 2009, so yes it had Nuclear capability at that time.

Citation needed. America NEVER brought nuclear missiles to South Africa !

There are different types of Tomahawk, not all are nuclear missiles, many are just simple conventional anti-ship missile or cluster munition.

There have been several variants of the BGM-109 Tomahawk employing various types of warheads.

BGM-109A Tomahawk Land Attack Missile – Nuclear (TLAM-A) W80 thermonuclear weapon. Retired from service between 2010 and 2013
RGM/UGM-109B Tomahawk Anti Ship Missile (TASM) – active radar homing anti-ship missile variant; withdrawn from service in the 1990s.
BGM-109C Tomahawk Land Attack Missile – Conventional (TLAM-C) with a unitary warhead. This was initially a modified Bullpup warhead.
BGM-109D Tomahawk Land Attack Missile – Dispenser (TLAM-D) with cluster munitions.
RGM/UGM-109E Tomahawk Land Attack Missile (TLAM Block IV) – improved version of the TLAM-C.
BGM-109G Ground Launched Cruise Missile (GLCM) – with a W84 nuclear warhead; withdrawn from service in 1987.
AGM-109H/L Medium Range Air to Surface Missile (MRASM) – a shorter range, turbojet powered ASM with cluster munitions ;

Show us proof that America loaded nuclear missiles on that submarine and came to visit South Africa with nuclear weapons !
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patches689:
[size=16pt]Post Rooivalk endurance time!!

How can the T129 stay in the air longer with shorter range??

What has happened is this: You didnt do your research - made a claim and got shot down - now you try to dig yourself out of your hole of humiliation!! HAAHAHAH!!! Mr Military researcher did not do his research!!

Post Rooivalk endurance NOW!! [/size]

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No, you post Rooivalk endurance now as you post it's weapons and payload, it's your helicopter, so you defend it !

T-129 has less air frame weight, more modern engine with fuel economy, 3 hours flight endurance for recce role plus combat.

Rooivalk does NOT fly 3 hours, old engine, heavy air frame
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patches689:
Your shilka have no radar, your AAA guns are obsolete, you only have 2 RASIT

How many mobile radar does SANDF have? 2, or 3, or 5 maximum. Nothing to boast of.

Nigerian Type 90 AAA is a newly developed weapon dated around year 2000, a computerized twin cannon with electro-optical sights.

LOL....mumu, every Shilka comes with a radar from factory....mumu, I see you know almost nothing about air defence weapons, fool
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MikeCZAR:
"total caliber firepower?" What is that?

Rushing to spinning before researching?

A 105mm howitzer is the biggest caliber of a weapon mounted on an aircraft.

Where are you getting that 309m? Your helicopter will crash cause of recoil I'd..iot.

T129:

Caliber: 20mm
Cartridge:20 x 102mm

Rooivalk:

Caliber: 20mm
Cartridge: 20 x 139mm.

The T129 carries 12 ATGM compared to the Rooivalk's 16.

Pods aren't modern the Rooivalk prototype carried pods in the 90s.

Superiority demonstrated!

Rooivalk 20mm x 1 barrel gun = 139 mm total calibre firepower

T-129 20mm x 3 barrel gun = 306 mm total calibre firepower

PROVED : T-129 gun has more firepower than Rooivalk gun

When a T-29 gun fires a round, it sends out 3 shells of 102 mm each, 102 mm x 3 = 306 mm shell metal quantity pierced into y.our body, y.ou will super bleed to instant death.

If a jet drops 3 bombs of 250 kg each, total ordnance on target is 250 kg x 3 = 750 kg.

Same happens from a 3 barrel gun of T-129, 102 mm x 3 will send 306 mm of hot shells in.to y.our b.leeding body....instant death
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MikeCZAR:
Nigeria has precision strike capability, your artillery was doing area suppression.

You don't have shells like bonus or excalibur.

Didn't the SANDF use MRLs in Bangui?

SANDF did not use MRLS in Bangui except you smoked rat poison mixed with marijuana tonight.

NA did area suppression and that is one purpose of artillery, we used it effectively and smashed Boko Haram without harming innocent civilians

SANDF has not used artillery in 20 years, Tanzanian army used their D-30 artillery to save your army in Congo DRC.

South Africa too has NO SINGLE guided artillery shell like bonus or excalibur
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patches689:
what the fvck did i just read?

Data that b.lew y.our feeble mind


Rooivalk 20mm x 1 barrel gun = 139 mm total calibre firepower

T-129 20mm x 3 barrel gun = 306 mm total calibre firepower

PROVED : T-129 gun has more firepower than Rooivalk gun
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MikeCZAR:
You said nuclear submarines don't carry nuclear tipped missiles!

I brought to your attention the Trident system.

You quickly changed your position and requested if USS San Juan carried Trident missiles.

Don't quickly change goal posts admit defeat at the "keyboard" of cZA!

Quote where I said nuclear submarines don't carry nuclear missiles, quote my comment where I said that.

All I said was that having nuclear fuel engine does not mean having nuclear missiles. I have proved that with USS San Juan, American nuclear fuel submarine with NO SINGLE nuclear missile !

Just admit you love the free education I give you everyday on nairaland mister MikeCAR the dundee domingo
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MikeCZAR:
Can we bring facts!

Google Lynx helicopter Nigerian navy has Lynx Mk.89 anti-submarine warfare helicopter, the radar is inside the nose cone hidden and the dipping sonar hidden inside the cabin, and SIPRI says Nigeria has the Lynx anti-submarine torpedoes. You are a dunce, that's why you didn't know. I showed @Andrewza everything last year, you Southies are just a buch of headless buffoons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_Lynx
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[size=20pt]Napoleons Of Africa...Great Nigerian Army ![/size]
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jln115:
So the people who MAKE the T129 and want to market it to potential clients will leave their website outdated?

Not out-dated, it's incomplete, it does not list gun/cannon as part of T-129 armament, meaning the helicopter has no gun !

Can you ever think at all? Dude?

ViceAdmiral:
Well ill only probably post about what i know......again im just encouraging debate

You mean the only thing you know about Boko Haram war is the court martial of 200 Nigerian troops?

That is the only information about the war available on internet worldwide? Really ?

Are you a comedian sir?

ViceAdmiral:
Well ill only probably post about what i know......again im just encouraging debate ... i dont think im neutral the South Africans can mess up ill ask the same off them as well.But then most ridiculing on this thread is probably about RSA n their sub, RSA and their gripens,nowadays its about the rooivalk and the benchmark for how bad or good the sa army is bangui....

Your usual selective reading did not allow you too see how much South Africans ridicule Nigeria, even when we won a war, you still see then choke with envy and react by posting ridicule due to their inferiority complex
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jln115:
DUDE!!! the USS San Juan carries 12 vertical launch Tomahawk missiles , so yes it has NUCLEAR MISSILE capability.

Stop that rubbish here, Tomahawk missile is no longer nuclear .

Nuclear: W80 warhead (retired)
Conventional: 1,000 pounds (450 kg) High explosive or Submunitions dispenser with BLU-97/B Combined Effects Bomb or PBXN
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jln115:
Dude did I say they weren't armed with Nuclear Missiles? My question to you is, WHY must they be armed with Nuclear Missiles during an EXERCISE are they going to use those missiles?

Fact is that USS San Juan submarines has nuclear fuel engine but ZERO NUCLEAR MISSILE capability.

That was the education I was giving to @MikeCAR before you jumped in to defend your fellow loser and ignoramus

jln115:
SO let me get this strait! My source from the people who MAKE the T129 is incomplete?

Yes, or you are blind? That source indirectly says the T-129 has no gun !

ViceAdmiral:
Again how m i South African??because im surely not ....or perhaps you know something in don't know in that regard ..come on i'm not singling out the Nigerians for ridiculing...im just encouraging debate on the thread..

The only encouragement you could contribute to this thread was posting old stories of Nigerian army 200 soldiers being court martialled, you did not wish to post how the same Nigerian army won the whole war in 42 days and Egypt was begging them to come help fight ISIS in Libya.

True, I see how neutral you are....one eyed man....you can only see negative things about Nigerian army, you are blind to all their victories in battle and final achievement in war
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jln115:
So my source from the Turkish Aerospace Industries is incomplete?

COOL STORY BRO!!!

Yes, most Russian sources about Mi-35 Hind are incomplete. Many Chinese sources on their own weapons are incomplete.

Most countries just don't make noise like South Africa.

I proved my point with photo evidence of T-129
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jln115:
How do you know they are old? Because you say so?

Those photos were posted here in year 2010
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jln115:
Why must it be armed with nuclear missiles? Are they going to Fire the SAN with Nuclear Missiles?

That was the exact point of my argument with @MikeCAR, nuclear missiles, not nuclear fuel engine, so next time don't jump blindly into other people's argument unless you are intelligent enough to do so
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jln115:
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More old photos of years gone by, past glory of SAN fleet now faded away like candle lights
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jln115:
Flanked by the South African Navy submarine S103 QUEEN MODJADJI the US Navy nuclear-powered Los Angeles class submarine USS SAN JUAN (SSN-751) approaches Simon’s Town on a visit in which it will conduct exercises with the SAN.

Citation needed, and prove it played war games with you, and prove it came armed with nuclear missiles
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Henry120:
I believe he is Namibian.

Okay I see, another envy sick SADC fellow whose ego is bruised because Nigeria had to help the whole of their south region get independence
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jln115:
Drakensburg was patrolling the channel at that time, Not SAS Mendi!

"Mozambique channel was being saved by American, European and Asian navy, reason why South Africvan navy patrolled for years and NEVER caught a single pirate"

Uhm...Is it wrong collaborating with other Navies? Maybe if the NN dit it, you wont have so many Piracy attacks in YOUR OWN WATERS!!!

South African navy was not collaborating with American navy, you were doing your own separate patrol and pirates were having fun dribbling your frigate or Drakensberg or submarine, pirates were too smart for SAN to catch, same way Rhino poachers beat your SANDF on land
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jln115:
Rooivalk:

•8 or 16 Anti-tank Mokopa (SAL) missiles
•4 x Air-to-air Mistral missiles
•38 or 76 x 70 mm Unguided rockets
•20 mm F2 High-speed dual feed cannon, carrying 750 rounds


T-129:
Armaments:2x4 UMTAS ATGM Missile(or Hellfire or Spike), 4x19 70 mm (2.75”) Unguided Rockets, 4x2-4 70 mm (2.75”) Guided CİRİT Rockets, 2x2 ATAM Stinger.

Thus Rooivalk carries 16 ATGM vs 8 ATGM carried by the T-129
Rooivalk carries 4 ATAM vs 4 ATAM carried by the T129

https://www.tai.com.tr/en/project/atak
http://www.aircraft.co.za/Encyclopedia/D/459.php

Your source is not complete, T-129 uses 4 ATGM per rack on each of 4 pylons. Also uses 4 AAM per pod on each of 4 pylons.

You posted an incomplete source, it does not show fact that T-129 carries extra gun pods and missile pods for air to air combat.

Try use your head next time, see my photo below....4 AAM per pod per pylon, 4 ATGM per rack per pylon.

4 X 4 = 16 air to air missiles

4 x 4 = 16 anti-tank missiles.

T-129 beats Rooivalk into coma
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jln115:
More piracy in Mozambique channel

http://www.clubofmozambique.com/solutions1/sectionnews.php?secao=mozambique&id=22956&tipo=one

Bwahahhahaha

You just proved that 2 piracy attacks in Mozambique channel was stopped by international naval task force....NOT South African navy !

Your navy frigate was asleep when the enemy surfaced . Fail as usual

Mozambique channel was being saved by American, European and Asian navy, reason why South Africvan navy patrolled for years and NEVER caught a single pirate

Fail
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ViceAdmiral:
For those not familiar with submarine ops ....that's how you properly ran aground a sub ...
USS San Francisco (SSN-711)

Am pretty sure the SA navy incident was not that bad

And a link for those that are leading themselves to think that sort of thing only happens in SOUTH Africa.

You just proved you are a South African.....no wonder you spend your time looking for how to ridicule a victorious Nigerian army that mighty Israel and Egypt respects
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jln115:
"Over 50 years old, NNS Thunder is busy sailing around the continent and saving Africa from piracy while South African navy sits down at home redundant and lazy"

Have you ever heard of operation copper? Since we started patrolling the Mozambican coast in 2010 guess how many Piracy attacks have there been? 0 that's how many!!!

"How can SAN use one frigate, one submarine, low fuel, to guard South Africa's massive U-shaped coastline of 3,000+ km and still patrol up to Ghana with same one warship, a frigate with delicate engine, not an endurance OPV...."

There are always 2-3 Operatonal Frigates and 2 Operational Subs, and we use our OPVs to patrol the Mozambican coast now, and not our Frigates!

"Old photos mate.

Today, Southie navy has ONLY ONE frigate and ONLY ONE submarine in operational. The rest are dead as cooked fish"

Pic 1: F 147(Spionkop)
Pic 2: F 146 (Isandlwana)
Pic 3: S101 (Manthatisi)
Pic 4: S102 (Charlotte Maxeke )

South African navy has crew for ONLY one frigate and submarine, does not matter if they pick F146 or F147 to sail, it's same one crew that you rotate from ship to ship, and one sailors crew from submarine to submarine

Manpower shortage plagues SANDF, SAN, SAAF....the well trained white men have fled to Australia and shortage now plagues your military
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MikeCZAR:
Helicopters ?

With No

Radar.
FLIR.
Anti-submarine weapons.

A diesel submarine can attack and leave the area.

Fact established: Nigerian navy is no match for SAN.

Bwahhahaahha

Poor research !

Nigerian navy torpedo armed Lynx anti-submarine helicopters have radar hidden inside the nose cone, and dipping sonar hidden inside the cabin....you know nothing about ASW dude

Once a submarine attacks, it's position is revealed. ASW helos will hunt it down
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ViceAdmiral:
With NATO its about saving face in Afghanistan at the moment...infact tell me a foreign power that has 'won' in Afghanistan.On France,Holland in WW2...are you seriously comparing NAZI Germany's military might with Boko Haram,Any army can be defeated but then also think about who's 'defeating' u .
With that said do u still think the NA i should still be considered to be one of Africas best seeing how they could perform on a very bad day (in this case a couple of years) against a rag tag enemy like Boko Haram.How would they measure them against an enemy like Algeria,Egypt, Ethiopia,RSA .Or perhaps the Nigerian military is very good they just needed time take in the concept of COIN.Something the SA army mastered a while back.Or perhaps it was the approaching elections that got GEJ interested in getting rid of BH once and for all.Now perharps Nigeria is Africa's best after 'defeating' Boko Haram and it has the combat experience an Army like SA doesn't have.Personally i'm disappointed the NA let the BH fiasco go on as long as it did....i mean NA is west africas 'big brother' .

You contradict yourself.

You say nobody has successfully defeated rag tag Taliban insurgents in Afghanistan, so we cannot blame America/Britain.

Then you say how is Nigeria has one of the best armies is Africa by defeating rag tag Boko Haram?

Well, Nigerian army defeated rag tag insurgents in war, American/British army FAILED to defeat rag tag insurgents in war.

PROVED : Nigerian army is better than American/British army in performance, except for technology and equipment differences.

For France and Holland, they lost in war to Germany, a loss is a loss, never mind who was beating them up.

Why did they not all align together and defeat Germany like USA/UK/Canada did?

France was captured, France is a world power from ancient times till today, Germany defeated France and captured all their towns.

British army was inside France at that time helping France, over 400,000 strong British and French army ran away like cowards from France when Germany arrived, that is the biggest cowardice in war history, they ran away to the sea and escaped to England, British and French artmy combined ran away like cowards from German army in 1940....

If 300 Nigerian troops retreat from a town, BBC and Reuters will shout all over the world and publish the news with trumpets !

[size=13pt]Well, I say it today, British army and French army of 400,000 troops combined, abandoned all armour and artillery, ran away from battle and escaped by sea when German army arrived.[/size]

Is is only Nigeria's 300 or 400 troops that ever retreated in battle ? White racist Europeans forget their own war history.

We Nigerians will help them dig it out from under the table and publish it, get it ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dunkirk

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MikeCZAR:
. Your military failed to protect them.

You have no precision strike capability.

Nigeria used artillery in battles!

Nigeria won the war....FINAL !

NAF has guided missile precision strike drones, South Africa has NONE .

Nigeria used artillery with excellent accuracy and caution on civilian occupied towns with saved thousands of lives. Skillful NA Bofors men !

South Africa has NOT fired one artillery shell in war since 20 years, Tanzanian artillery was saving you in Congo RDC
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MikeCZAR:
You said nuclear submarines don't carry nuclear tipped missiles!

Superior knowledge over the researcher!

Nope, I never said that. I said the nuclear powered submarines used to play war games with South Africa have no nuclear missiles on board.

Show me source where South Africa navy diesel submarine trained in war game with another country's nuclear missile armed submarine, it NEVER happened , NEVER !

Also remember to show missile guided missile made in Sudan.

Simple basic research is enough to put y.our ugly face into thick mud my brah
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