₦airaland Forum

jln115:
Uhm....Why are war games held?...........Let me tell you. Its to prepare for real war, thus they are the closes thing to a real war without being in a real war!

Nobody fires live ammo on the other in war games, it's all a game.

In war, you fire torpedo on NATO ships, they demolish your torpedo with anti-torpedo counter-measure and unleash anti-submarine helicopters on your submarine while their own ships launch 20 torpedoes in reply to your one Southie torpedo.

NATO was fooling you man ! They sent ships to play game with your submarine, does NATO go to war without it's own submarines?

Soweto fools ! you never asked the simple common sense question, where were NATO submarines in that war game?

Absent, they were making a fool of you to test your new submarine against mostly old NATO warships and fuel tankers/transport ships.

Why did Britain not send it's best submarine to play war game with South Africa's best submarine and we will see how you will sink NATO fleet.

Fools, total fools, the Europeans keep fooling you fools, that's why they ruled South Africa till modern day 1994....because you are fools

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MikeCZAR:
I invite you to the dance floor again!

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A. Rooivalk chin-mounted gun: 20mm

Cartridge: 20 x 139mm

B. T120 chin-mounted gun: 20mm

Cartridge: 20 x 102m

Conclusion: Rooivalk's gun carries a powerful punch.

2. Rooivalk prototypes carried missile pods they were ditched! Nothing special. Mostly used in light helicopters!

3. The Rooivalk can carry: 20 AAM and ATGM.

T129: 12 missiles.

Wrong information !

Rooivalk 20mm x 1 barrel gun = 139 mm total calibre firepower

T-129 20mm x 3 barrel gun = 306 mm total calibre firepower

PROVED : T-129 gun has more firepower than Rooivalk gun

Hey dude, Rooivalk does not carry 20 AAM and ATGM, it only carries 2 AAM on wing-tips only.

Rooivalk carries 16 ATGM maximum, T-129 also carries 16 ATGM.

Pods are modern advancement for helicopters, the Rooivalk is too old to carry any pods for guns or missiles, obsolete 1980s Bush war old idea.

Rooivalk carries ONLY ONE GUN....NO GUN PODS EXTRA.....T-129 carries 1 nose gun and can carry extra 4 gun pods on wing pylons.

T-129 carries missile pods 4 missiles per pod = 16 AAM.....One single T-129 will sh.oot down the whole SAAF fleet of 11 Rooivalks in 5 minutes

T-129 beats Rooivalk with superior T-129 firepower, avionics, and weapons mix combinations
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ViceAdmiral:
Again my congratulations on your battlefield successes...But then again did the NA really need to put themselves in that position in the first place...letting BH control all those 40 something towns they've recaptured,YEAH the Nigerian Military has redeemed it self after the horror show of a performance it was putting in.

Nobody cares about long story of how war happened, the end is most important.

My Bible tells me that "Better is the end of a thing than the beginning of it".

Wanna be sarcastic? I know that game.

Last week the Holland celebrated the 70th anniversary of liberation from German army who captured the whole Netherlands in a few days of war and ruled the Dutch nation for years until 7,000 Canadian soldiers died to recapture Holland.

Mighty France was totally defeated in war by German army in a few weeks and France was ruled for years by German troops until America, Britain, Canada combined military might to invade France and free a world power from captivity.

Looks like the Europeans forget their own war history and make noise on BBC, Reuters, AFP about Nigeria losing partial control of some towns to Boko Haram, the whole of France, Holland, Poland etc were defeated and occupied by German army for many years and needed world powers to combine forces to free them.

Looks like the western world enjoys making a ridicule of the balck race, despite the fact that they have also suffered the same fate and cover it up. NATO is being disgraced out of Afghanistan after 13 years of failure with all their super power equipment and technology.

Nigeria can avoid losing towns by massive artillery bombardment of Boko Haram forces, but how do we level the enemy and level our own innocent civilians with artillery at the same time?

You think Nigerian military is senseless? No.

See our surgical strikes inside Sambisa forest, how we saved over 1,000 women and children from deep inside Boko Haram HQ captivity with very little civilian loss of life. That is world class army and air force capability displayed by Nigeria.

Still wonder why Israel and Egypt now love Nigerian army and sing our praises?

Last time I checked, Israel never praised American and British army performance in Afghanistan.

Nigeria won it's war at the end. That is all that matters.

Nigeria rules the world of armies, best performance 2015 worldwide. Nothing changes that dude !
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[size=20pt]Best Performing Military In The World 2015....

Nigerian Army & Air Force !

Rescues hundreds of civilians deep inside enemy headquaters

Minimizes civilian casualties

Forces Boko Haram to run like headless chicken

Puts Shekau III into cowardly run for survival

Captures 42 towns in 42 days

Displays Africa's first German army style Blitzkrieg

Succeeds against terrorism that America/Britain failed to defeat in Afghanistan

Wipes out all Boko Haram armour and air defence 23mm x 4 barrel cannon

Demolishes all Boko Haram T-55 main battle tanks

Mass slaughters thousands of enemy infantry with minimum collateral damage in civilian areas

Creates the world's new generation of Napoleon class Generals in battle

Leads Africa into the use of missile armed drones

Wanted by Egypt for military help against ISIS

Praised and saluted by Israel for scoring 100% victory in war

Both nations Egypt and Israel have fought the biggest modern wars in human history....

Both Egypt and Israel have now ranked Nigeria as a mighty army they love, they need, they want, they salute !

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ScqFEMaig


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rykows2Bj3M
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EVarn:
Oil price havent 'crashed',as of today,a barrel of brent crude sells at $62.it is increasing per month.

Nigerian revenue is not only oil, we also export gas....LNG.

In our reserves, Nigeria has more gas than oil in the ground and sea bed.

ViceAdmiral:
Nigerian military court-martials General blamed for loss of Baga to Boko Haram

The Nigerian military on Monday commenced the court martial of a Brigadier General, Enitan Ransome-Kuti, and four other senior officers, blamed for the loss of Baga in Borno State, to Boko Haram insurgents in January.

Mr. Ransome-Kuti, his Chief of Staff, Lieutenant Colonel G.A. Suru, and some other senior officers, were arrested for failing to repel Boko Haram attack on the headquarters of the Multinational Joint Task Force [MNJTF] in Baga.

Also arrested were the Commanding Officers of the 134 and 174 Battalions — Lieutenant Colonel Haruna and Major Aliyu. The two battalions are under the MNJTF.

The soldiers revolted after some of their colleagues were ambushed and killed by Boko Haram extremists, an attack they blamed on their superior officer.

Also in December, 2014, over 200 soldiers were sacked after an overnight trial. They had been held in detention for three months and denied communication to their families or legal representation.

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/182466-nigerian-military-court-martials-general-blamed-for-loss-of-baga-to-boko-haram.html

Is that also rubbish??By the way how many soldiers have been executed so far after being court marshaled for refusing to go into battle with only as little as a magazine.Well if it turns out to be rubbish than Nigerian media leaves a lot to be desired for with with their accuracy....JUST SAYING....And by the looks of things your military seems to be very well adept at court marshaling soldiers who at times seem to have legitimate concerns...apart form shooting at your own general that is

Nigeria deployed about 40,000 into one battle, we court martial about 200, what percentage is that?

0.005 % .....do you know the meaning of insignificant figures?

Are you white? I am happy to tell you Nigeria has defeated Boko Haram 100%.....American/NATO army/air force has failed to defeat Taliban after 13 years of war in Afghanistan, the white army is now running away back home in defeat and failure

The best army in Africa today is the Nigerian army, we won all our wars in 150 years....unbeaten record.

Are those 200 dismissed soldiers the only troops in Nigeria's 40,000 strong force on the frontline of war?

Ever heard about Konduga battalion of about 300 men who k.illed 1,000 Boko Haram fighters in few months ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kimbo5c0Ak

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MikeCZAR:
Ever heard about the Trident missile?

Nuclear submarines are faster, and can stay underwater longer only surfacing to get food stocks. And can perform differently compared diesel subs.

I'm not fooling but as anyone can see I'm simply educating you! YES NIGERIANS.

LOL....which submarine brought nuclear Trident missile armed submarine to train with South African navy submarine?

Which navy brought nuclear missiles to play war games with you? Germany ?

Illiterate thou art
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ViceAdmiral:
The Nigerian military is so broken, its soldiers are refusing to fight

By Kevin Sieff May 10 at 3:30 AM

LAGOS, Nigeria — As the Nigerian military battled Boko Haram over the past year, scores of soldiers made a decision that would put their lives in grave danger — they refused to fight.
It wasn’t for lack of bravery, they said. It was for lack of weapons.

At least 66 of the soldiers have been found guilty of mutiny and sentenced to death by firing squad. Dozens more remain in detention, awaiting trial. The Nigerian government describes them as cowards. Their supporters say they are scapegoats.
“They joined the army to fight, not to commit suicide,” said Femi Falana, an attorney for 59 of the soldiers.

Ni­ger­ian military officials deny that soldiers are inadequately armed. In the case of the 111th Special Forces Battalion, military officials called soldiers’ justification for not fighting a hollow excuse.

Experts fault tactical training

Even Boko Haram’s leader, Abubakar Shekau, has poked fun at the Ni­ger­ian military.

“You send 7,000 troops?” Shekau said in one video recording posted online this year. “This is small. Only 7,000? By Allah, it is small. We can seize them one by one.”

Troops from Nigeria, Chad and Niger have recently pushed the Boko Haram fighters out of a fiefdom in northern Nigeria that had grown to the size of Maryland. But experts say the rebels have gathered in a vast, remote forest and still pose a significant threat.

Some of the mutiny trials have revealed startling glimpses of soldiers’ anger at their superiors. In one high-profile case, 12 soldiers allegedly shot at their commanding officer after he ordered them to conduct a mission that they claimed was tantamount to suicide. The officer somehow was not injured, and the soldiers claim they intended to express their anger, not to commit murder. They, too, were sentenced to death.

“These are issues of indiscipline,” said Gen. Chris Olukolade, the military’s spokesman, “and they undermine the morale of the others.”

The army chief of staff must confirm all of the mutiny sentences before formal appeals can be filed.

It’s unclear what Buhari’s policy will be toward the soldiers in detention or those already sentenced. But one of his campaign managers, Chibuike Amaechi, appeared to take the soldiers’ side when the issue emerged before the presidential election in March.

“The soldiers have the right to protest for the federal government’s failure to fully equip them,” Amaechi said at a news conference in December.

Buhari, a former military dictator, has vowed to defeat Boko Haram. But analysts say it may not be easy to rebuild the institution he once led.

“Buhari’s supporters have to realize that the army that Buhari left is not the army of today, which is broken, ill-motivated and under-equipped,” said Moses E. Ochonu, an associate professor of African history at Vanderbilt University.

Some top military officers said that the announcement that prosecutors are seeking capital punishment for the mutineers has put an end to the practice of deserting.

“It spread like a virus until we enforced the law,” said one senior military officer who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the cases. “They were thinking they could get away with it.”

Nigerian officials say one of their greatest deficiencies in equipment is a product of a failed deal with the United States.

Last year, the Nigerian government tried to equip its military with Cobra attack helicopters, but the deal was halted by the United States. The Nigerian ambassador to Washington said that equipment “would have brought down the terrorists within a short time.”

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said in November that the sale was canceled “due to concerns about Nigeria’s ability to use and maintain this type of helicopter . . . and ongoing concerns about the Nigerian military’s protection of civilians when conducting military operations.”

The U.S. government has also declined to share some intelligence with Nigerian security officials, due to concerns about Boko Haram infiltration.

Those disagreements appear to have led the Nigerian government to cancel a U.S. mission to train one of its Special Forces battalions last year.

At least one of the soldiers sentenced to death for mutiny was trained in Pakistan. But he told the court that the program involved weapons that the Ni­ger­ian soldiers wanted but never received, such as German submachine guns. It’s another example, according to the soldiers, of the army’s dysfunction.

“They have a crisis in the military,” said Falana, the attorney. “And they’re trying to use these boys to make a point.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/the-nigerian-military-is-so-broken-its-soldiers-are-refusing-to-fight/2015/05/06/d56fabac-dcae-11e4-b6d7-b9bc8acf16f7_story.html

[size=13pt]American propaganda of whiteman's hatred of the blackman's success.

That's what you post? Are you racist or just a hater of Nigeria due to envy?

The war is almost over, it's 99% ended with a 100% victory for Nigeria.

Nigerian army in photo below is humiliating Boko Haram, mocking their flag we captured in their HQ

Now you say Nigerian soldiers refuse to fight, what old news is that? Last years news reports.

Hey dude, Nigerian army and air force has done what America and European military combined together failed to do in Afghanistan war !

See Boko Haram running away from angry advancing Nigerian troops....see the video and commit sui.cide t.oday o !



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbymGRBsW5I

Cowards...Boko Haram flees before the mighty Nigerian army in battle !

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MikeCZAR:
You'll need a mobile command and control centre.

In a contested air space your jets will blown on the ground if you don't what's coming and lurking in your area.

Airbases are protected by air defence radar, missiles, and AAA guns you dummy...Roland, Shilka, RASIT mobile radar
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MikeCZAR:
You don't know Mr Military researcher?

I know Sudan does not manufacture missiles, I am waiting for you to prove me wrong since 3 days ago now
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Henry120:
The uselessness of the SANDF captured in video. SANDF troops deployed to South-African reserves are more interested in watching football, than protecting the wildlife they are sent there to do.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI59oPLaMa8&sns=em

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patches689:
F-35's main role has never been and will never be stealth.

You sure you are not typing from inside a psychiatric hospital ?

"Unparalleled Stealth

The F-35’s stealth capabilities are unprecedented in tactical fighter aviation. An integrated airframe design, advanced materials and other features make the F-35 virtually undetectable to enemy radar. "

Lockheed Maufacturer's official quote.

patches689:
Rooivalk was not chosen as it contained French components.

These are the facts.

Facts? Citation needed now now !
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patches689:
Rooivalk: Combat tested, 12 built
T-129: No combat, 9 built

What were you saying?

I am saying that Rooivalk needed support from Mi-35 Hind flown by Europeans to ki.ll some half dead M23 rebels that have no single radar or missile to defend themselves, not even a 23mm x 4 gun....

Now that's no combat dude
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patches689:
Patrols of your coast are coming, just wait, we are busy.

Busy sleeping at home....sleepy slumbering South African navy....and no fuel
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patches689:
Ok, what will YOUR fleet do?

We are talking about SAN v NN

NATO is just an example of the fact that our submarines are very combat effective.

NN doesnt stand a chance - you said so on Beegugugugs blog!!

You can go argue with the people on Beegeagles blog if you wish.

Here is Nairaland, and I have said SAN has ONLY ONE operational submarine, you have no manpower to put more than one submarine into war.

Your sailors cannot connect simple submarine battery terminals in the right node, so how will they fire torpedo?

Nigeria has at least 2 Anti-submarine warfare helicopters in reserve, yes we can deal with your lone ranger submarine that has to snorkel after two days because it runs on diesel and battery.....the battery your sailors do not know how to connect properly.

Your Southie submarine will hit mud on seabed by poor sailor judgement even before Nigerian ASW helicopter decides to attack it
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patches689:
Such nonsense.

Your T-72's have no laser warning - they will only know to deploy smoke once the firs wave of Milan2's and Ingwe ATGM's tare into your formation.

Your plameria will be annihalated by long range counter-battery fire from the Valkiri as well as G6

Rooivalk will be using the Mokopa on your flanks

Gripen and Hawks will be dropping PGM's

Your army has no mobility - how will you surround us?

Your pathetic army had to hire us South Africans to defeat rag-tag boko haram... and you think you can defeat us? hahaha!! We are your educators!!

Last time I checked, South Africa hired 60,000 Angolans and 1,000 Zimbabweans, Mozambicans as soldiers in direct combat to help you stop Cuban teenage girl soldiers from capturing Pretoria in broad daylight

No South African fired a bullet against Boko Haram.

5 South African PMC not SANDF soldiers, private company PMC men trained 120 Nigerian soldiers in mobility ops.

No South African militaray man, no SANDF troop has ever stepped into Nigeria to train anybody. PMC is NOT = SANDF.

I see Cuban mechanics inside SANDF base training your army to maintain the vehicles that you built, your own products

Did 5 men in PMC fight on a land mass equal to the size of Scotland?

Col. Eben Barlow confessed that the only job he did was to train 120 man mobile strike force of infantry men in MRAPS.

I have shown photos of Nigerian army and air force Generals doing ALL the war planning and frontline leading the troops into battle directly.

Col. Barlow said the whole war planning was a completely Nigerian army idea, work and success.

Did South Africans operate T-72, BVP-1 IFV, BTR-4E IFV, RM-70 MRLS, BOFORS FH-77, M-56 ARTY, PALMARIA ARTY, ATR-42, BEECHCRAFT ISTAR, F-7NI, ALPAH JET, MI-35 HIND, MI-171 TERMINATOR, AGL, MGL, BERYL, COBRA, VBL, IGIRIGI, VICKERS MBT, SHILKA AAA, CH-3 MISSILE DRONES.....

Now your argument has dug a massive pit for your h.umi.iliation

The rest of your post about T-72, Gripen, Ingwe, Rooivalk, dud rubber fake mokopa, etc needs no reply, it's all garbage and those arguments have been dealt with many times repeatedly on this forum.

SANDF has ZERO war experience and your HIV sick 30 battalions of troops will d.ie from physical fatigue in battlefield not even our bullets

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patches689:
Wait what?

A helicopter with a smaller payload, and less hard-points can carry more weapons?

Citation fvcking needed

See my post above with the photo. T-129 carries extra missiles in pods, extra guns in pods, modern concept.

Rooivalk has no missile pods and no gun pods, old obsolete concept.

Next time do good research before you open your basket mouth brah
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patches689:
Fact is. Nigeria has no forward radar

Nigeria has armoured vehicle mobile RASIT radars for FOB ops you dummy
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patches689:
Uhhh no.

Rooivalk has longer range 740 km

compared to the A129's 510 km


[size=16pt]Again, you have failed to do research and again you have humiliated yourself!![/size]

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I see this ultra-modern T-129 is hurting you sooooo baaaad my brah

Range is NOT = Endurance.

Flight endurance is determined by engine work time....

3 hours for the T-129, beats Rooivalk hands down.

You are the one that fails in basic research.

I just begin to figure out that you know next to nothing about aircraft

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patches689:
Hahahahah.

No one is talking about fighter jets, we are talking about attack-helicopters.

Rooivalk can carry more weapons than the T-129

Rooivalk carrys more ammunition for its gun than the T-129

Hence, it has more firepower.

You didnt do your research and now you have humiliated yourself!!

Bwahahahaha It is actually the Southies and their Rooivalk obsolete junk metal being humiliated since Friday

More load in kilograms is not equal to more firepower, Rooivalk carries more payload than Apache, but the Apache has more firepower with more advanced weapons and targeting systems including a 30mm gun with 1,200 rounds of ammo, more firepower than Rooivalk 20mm gun with 700 rounds ammo. Payload is not = Firepower. PROVED !

Rooivalk carries more payload of obsolete weapons that are far LESS effective in modern combat compared to T-129 :

1. T-129 has 20mm x 3 barrel gun.....3 times more firepower than Rooivalk 20mm x 1 barrel gun

2. T-129 carries missile pods, a modern hardware for carrying more weapons on a single pylon, it can carry 8 air to air missiles. Rooivalk is obsolete with the wing tip concept of old times, only 2 air to air missiles, no missile pod technology.

3. T-129 carries laser guided rocket pods, meaning one single rocket from a pod of 24 rockets, is guided with precision laser on a target, meaning the T-129 only has to fire one rocket to k.ill one target, but the Rooivalk obsolete unguided rockets need to fire about 10 in a game of gamble and struggle to k.ill one target. Rooivalk has no laser guided precision rocket pod, it is obsolete.

4. T-129 can carry gun pods for two 30mm cannon in addition to three-barrel 20mm cannon on the nose, the Rooivalk cannot carry any extra gun pod, it only has one single barrel 20mm gun and very weak firepower. T-129 has many times more firepower than the weak Rooivalk.

5. T-129 can carry mixed weapons of different types on each pylon, modern technology weapons mix formula, see photo below....

A. four air to air missiles in missile pod
B. laser guided 20 rocket pod
C. four Anti-tank missiles
D. four air to surface missiles

The Rooivalk wil NEVER NEVER NEVER have the above firepower combination of the T-129.

T-129 would have finished successful combat and gone back home while Rooivalk is still struggling to find target and try hit something.

Surely you enjoy my research brother

NAF is pushing SAAF far behind by another 25 years o !
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Henry120:
It clearly states the missile crafts are undergoing an up-grade, and the corvette has taken part in to exercises African winds 2013 and with the chinese in 2014 hence her crew are on-board.

patches689:
1. That says nothing about your fleet being operational
2. Your corvette in that picture is "on the hard"

Your navy is trash - 90% of vessels cant go to sea

Dundee, you are posting year 2009 data in 2015

Even defenceweb says all your data is wrong and out-dated....mumu

"Vice Admiral Dele J Ezeoba, Chief of Naval Staff, said that on assuming office in October 2012, he was committed to repositioning the Nigerian Navy, the Navy is also refitting the NNS Ekun fast attack craft, NNS Ohue and NNS Barama minesweepers and will soon refit the NNS Yola and NNS Brass patrol craft. In addition, three inshore patrol craft will be reactivated.

Medium term goals include the acquisition of the ex-US Coast Guard cutter USCGC Gallatin, the completion and commissioning of the first Chinese-built OPV and domestic assembly of the second Chinese OPV, commissioning of the second domestic Seaward Defence Boat, completion of the refit of NNS Brass and NNS Yola and the refit of the frigate NNS Aradu, the fast attack craft NNS Siri, Ayam and Damisa. The refit of the fast patrol boat NNS Ekpe, Ekun and minesweepers NNS Ohue and NNS Barama are also expected to be completed in this period.
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Written by Guy Martin, Monday, 02 December 2013, Defenceweb.

I recommend you go for weekly brain scan Patches
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MikeCZAR:
The only navy in sub-saharan Africa with exercise experience in nuclear vs diesel submarine drills.

Meaning what? Those nuclear submarines have NO nuclear weapons, it's just that they use uranium as engine fuel instead of diesel.

Whom are you trying to fool here ? We Nigerians?

patches689:
Ancient source, disprove many times.

52 Hawks air-crew (more than 2 per plane) and 18 Gripen aircrew (14 Gripen operational), 22 000 flight hours budgeted for, Submarines are currently extensively used with multiple operations having been conducted this year (3 Major international operations) and with more next year

Its not 2012 anymore buddy.

Anyway - here is the status of your fleet!! 90% of your fleet has been on "the hard" for allmost a decade!! Your FLAGSHIP has not put to sea in oer 5 years!!
Your navy is a paper tiger!!

Pathetic coast gaurd

NOP = NON OPERATIONAL

The Ancient source is actually yours, see now, dummy you posted Nigerian navy fleet operational year 2009

Today 2012, NNS Enyimiri missile corvette is fully operational, Henry has posted the photo yesterday as the ship took part in current multinational sea exercise.

Yes, Nigerian navy has missile warship in operation today 2015
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patches689:
Who says they are duds?

Why would the SANDF show off equipment it does not have?

You allways want pictures - now you have them. 100% indisputable proof that the SAAF has the Mokopa

Dud rubber made Mokopa missiles display for DENEL marketing promo show, desperately looking for customers for a 'great' missile with 'super long range' that the world has chosen to ignore....FAIL !
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patches689:
hahahaha - armata is sooo sh1t


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YDCyRT7Luo

See Henry we fvcking told you - wait until more information is available before proclaiming it "the best tank in the world"

So far it has been in the public eye for just one day and allready we see that it has an unreliable engine, some form of transmission issues and its powerplant as a whole is insufficient for the vehical.

Yet again - like when you accused SAN of shooting at fishermen - you have egg on your face

I don't fall for western propaganda, many NATO equipment fail during early life.

It's a new tank. T-14 is still being tested for service and perfected . F-35 jet is an American equipment that has displayed many years of failure in it's most important role....stealth
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stillchris:
yeah. in service as a dud on display - what do you want to shoot with a dud?

A similar dud target
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patches689:
For the umpteenth time

Rooivalk was not chosen by the Turks as it used french components

Turks have an embargo on the french

Oh, you mean the whole military of Turkey was so illiterate that they did not know that Rooivalk had French engine since the news came out 20 years ago? So Turkey started evaluation before they asked...."Who makes the engine for this Rooivalk" ?

You are a biiiiig fooooool Patrick

Rooivalk was evaluated and Turkey found it obsolete, they dumped your fat turkey chopper
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MikeCZAR:
T-129: Limited service and untested.

Rooivalk sale/order : 12 units in 25 years

T-129 sales/order : 60 units in 5 years
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jln115:
And by state of the art, you mean 60 year old rust buckets!

This are real warships mate:

Old photos mate.

Today, Southie navy has ONLY ONE frigate and ONLY ONE submarine in operational. The rest are dead as cooked fish.

Over 50 years old, NNS Thunder is busy sailing around the continent and saving Africa from piracy while South African navy sits down at home redundant and lazy.

SANDF boasted it will patrol the whole Gulf Of Guinea this year and reach Nigerian waters, but almost 6 months into 2015 we have not even seen a South African canoe patrol up to Angola.

When we were wasting time debating that SAN gulf of Guinea patrol plan 2015 last year, I told @Patches it was a dream that will melt away like the candles you guys burn every night due to ESKOM's new rule of total darkness for all South Africans.

How can SAN use one frigate, one submarine, low fuel, to guard South Africa's massive U-shaped coastline of 3,000+ km and still patrol up to Ghana with same one warship, a frigate with delicate engine, not an endurance OPV....

Your South African military is a dwarf climbing ladder to play basketball !
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jln115:
Remember when 1 SAN sub sunk an entire Nato fleet? Just imagine what it would do to the NN

Your SAN sank NATO fleet? In which war? Falklands war?

SAN has NEVER fired torpedo in war since 60 years ago. You think war game is real war? You fire one torpedo on NATO fleet and they reply you with twenty
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