₦airaland Forum

jln115:
NAF has 3 pilots for 11 F-7s

Citation needed urgently
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Henry120:
Apparently not as much as your generals and defence ministry officials got buying fighter jets you are too mentally handicapped to fly.


“South Africa acquired three submarines that spend most of the time on the ‘hard’ at Simon’s Town and 50 BAE Hawk and BAE/Saab Gripen fighter aircraft for which the country had almost no pilots to fly them, mechanics to maintain them, or even the money to fuel them.




(Mail & Guardian [Johannesburg], April 21, 2012). Without money to operate sophisticated equipment, skilled staff continue to flee at the end of their enlistment and there is little opportunity for new recruits to train in skills useful in the civilian world. Parliament's Joint Standing Committee on Defense has described abuse of women in the SANDF as "common," adding that many female recruits have been impregnated by their instructors (BUAnews, November 26, 2011).


You are apparently good at impregnating female recruits. Good for you!!

Submarine that cannot do real combat, SAN is just a photo piece
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jln115:
More opinion based Bull sh:t!

OH!!!!!!!!! and BTW NAF does not have any T-129s, so why are you comparing a weapon system that Nigeria does not have?

How many times have you guys posted DENEL weapons that are still inside laboratory test phase here?

Plus project Biro OPV that has no name

Nigeria is currently buying aircraft and armour, it's public knowledge, NAF has chosen T-129 Ataka !
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MikeCZAR:
Where's the mechanised infantry?

They'll be diner for "anti-tank hunter teams".

Naa !

T-72 Tanks will use smoke dispensers to neutralize the laser guidance systems of all SANDF Ingwe anti-tank missiles.

Palmaria SPHA in direct fire mode will eat up all Ratel Ingwe launchers from 7 km away.

What anti-tank hunter teams do you have? Nigerian army infantry will be eating up your manpower shortage ridden troops, we have an army 3 times bigger, your tank hunters will be busy trying to survive after we surround your army completely in a circle, your ATGM won't even see the turret of a T-72, you won't get so close when your army is already encircles and gasping for breath....ZERO war experienced SANDF
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MikeCZAR:
Rooivalk: 6 Hardpoints.
T-129: 4 Hard points.

Rooivalk has 4 hardpoints, the 2 wing tips are only for 2 air to air missiles which helicopters hardly ever use, SAAF does not have such missiles.

T-129 uses multiple racks on it's 4 hardpoints and it has missile pods for multiple many air to air missiles and extra gun pods, meaning the T-129 actually uses those 4 hardpoints to carry more weapons, missiles and guns than the Rooivalk. You see what we have been saying? Rooivalk is an obsolete design, a 1980s old war concept helicopter
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MikeCZAR:
Lightweight scout type of helicopter.

Not in the class of MI-28, Rooivalk and Apache!

T-129 is an attack helicopter, and it's recce/combat.

It has superior fling endurance than Mi-28, Rooivalk, or Apache.

T-129 can do recce for hours to find target and then attack. Those bigger helicopters would have run out of fuel on patrol
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MikeCZAR:
If you were to deploy outside Nigeria, you'll need air traffic control capabilities.

Or your jets will not operate during bad weather and limited at night.

Show us your military deployable air traffic and control radars.

Who told you that air forces carry full scale air traffic control radars to FAB ? Air bases with hundreds of combat aircraft have been operating successfully without air traffic control radar since world war I in 1918.

Most air forces in the world will operate an FOB without long range radar.

F-7NI is all weather day/night fighter, even old MiG-21 was doing night combat in Indo-Paki wars.

Military air forces don't need air traffic control radar to operate an FOB of 2 squadron aircraft, unless they are dummies like SAAF whose Southie brains need computers for basic arithmetic.

If South Africa has a big war with 5 forward air bases, do you have 5 mobile radars? The same radars you are claiming for SAAF are the very same mobile radars that belong to SADF army regiments, so when you donate those 3 or 5 radars to air bases, what radar will warn/safeguard your army on 5 different war fronts against enemy air attack?

You like to talk like if SANDF is tall, but it's feeble legs are very short
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MikeCZAR:
You don't know Mr military researcher?

Am I the one making the claim? You said Sudan manufactures missiles, so the burden of proof is on you, go ahead, show us proof now
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patches689:
Is the Gripen the same class of aircraft as the Su-24?

Rooivalk has a bigger payload.

The same gun... and more ammunition for it.

Again, you shot your mouth off before doing your homework and have embarrassed yourself.

Rooivalk can deploy more weapons, thus it has more firepower. Fact.

I just showed you that aircraft firepower superiority is not measured by payload size.

Su-24 Fencer and Gripen jet are both built to do air to ground attack, the Gripen has more firepower because it carries better weapons technology despite the Su-24 Fencer carrying extra 3,000 kg of weapons above the capacity of the Gripen.

Use your head, even though I know you never really do.....dummy !

patches689:
T-129 - 20mm with only 500 rounds
Rooivalk - 20mm with 700 rounds.

1.4 times more firepower.

T-129 maximum weapons payload - 1,200kg
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/t129-attack-helicopter/[center][/center]

Rooivalk maximum weapons payload - 2000kg
http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1994/1994%20-%202293.PDF

1.6 times more weapons payload.

(((BOOM)))

PS: do some research next-time

Su-24 jet payload 8,000 kg
Gripen jet payload 5,300 kg

Does heavier load make the Su-24 better than Gripen?

Payload is not same as engagement firepower, the 4 barrel gun is 4 times more powerful.

Extra payload for weaker guns and obsolescent munitions weakens the Rooivalk.....NAF is pushing SAAF further backward behind us
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patches689:
How is it better?

T-129 is 2014 technology for NAF....plus a 4 barrel 20mm gun.....not the 1 barrel weak gun on SAAF Rooivalk

4 times more firepower (((((BOOM)))))
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patches689:
Where does it say anything about 200 T-72's?

All available sources say 56

Fact.

56 T-72 M1 version from what country ? http://www.praguepost.com/the-big-story/44075-nigeria-buys-czech-weapons-to-fight-boko-haram

T-72 AV version from what country? http://info-news.eu/ukraine-delivered-t-72ab-tanks-and-btr-4e-apcs-to-nigeria/

Nigerian army is gonna blaze through the armour of SANDF with our battalions of 125mm killer gun T-72 tanks, eating Olifants for dinner

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patches689:
How is it better than the Rooivalk?

T-129 beats Rooivalk....see


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHYRqN48hd8

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patches689:
Not as sad as an airforce that buys cold-war relics

T-129 is like the Junk Fighter-17... a pipe dream.

You dont have the money to buy one

Cold war relic? T-129 is a 2009 helicopter, the cold war relic is the Rooivalk based on a 1980s ancient bush war concept

patches689:
How is it better than the Rooivalk?

Turkey evaluated both and dumped the Rooivalk when they say T-129 is better by far
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patches689:
Where does it say anything about 200?

Official number is 56

end of story

There is no 56 in that source, Czech is 56 T-72 M1, Ukraine supplied the T-72 AV, and we have seen both variants in service, M1 with RHA and AV with ERA.

How does 56 M1 become the only tank in Nigerian T-72 arsenal? All those AV variants in battle field of many different towns and more arriving loaded on ships at Lagos seaports, their total number = 0....right?

Butt Hurt....T-72 125mm guns to eat up 105mm Olifant tanks

Let me rub it in your face like hot pepper....T-72 AV from Ukraine now in battalions for Nigerian army...those small boys in that photo with use SANDF Olifant tanks for shooting practice o ! These boys have current 2015 combat experience o!
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patches689:
Why does it have SANDF numberplates?

Gulma drone has NAF I.D. and inside NAF aircraft hangers, but not yet in service.

Do you know the meaning of service? A weapon undergoing field tests is not in service until tests completed and weapon INDUCTED.

You don't know how military works.

patches689:
Its a lightweight in the attack helicopter world

Chosen for long patrol/recce endurance hours and rapid response squadron by NAF. Better than a Rooivalk.

jln115:
OK? so tell me to which people do these vehicles belong that have SANDF number plates ?

Umkhonto land based is NOT yet in service, every SANDF man here on nairaland has confirmed that.

Never inducted, stop fooling around, that's how you trap yourself in arguments that embarrass you in the end.

jln115:
And what about your 1950s cutters?

Just extras, we have 2014 OPV super stealth world class.

patches689:
How do we have 14 operational gripen with 9 pilots?

Same way you bought 26 jets with 25 missiles...less than one missile each per jet.

Same way you bought 26 jets and have 9 pilots.

Same way bros, same mentally d.eranged way your ANC country thinks

jln115:
Cool heres our OPV:

Nope your Soweto Navy OPV is the 1970s vintage warrior class tiny gunboats

jln115:
Nope that's a Meko 100

Show us proof SAN has ordered Meko 100 OPV or at least a meeting with the Germans offering it to your navy.

jln115:
Its been successfully test fired back in 2013, so yes we do have some Umkhonto GBLs in service.

Show us source that SANDF inducted land based Umkhonto missile into service.

You don't know the difference between weapons in service and weapons in manufacturers test laboratory, I have never seen a foolish white man like you, are you a school drop out? You think like a fisherman that works daily on a canoe
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patches689:
- 56 T-72s ordered.

I trade in facts. Not opinion. Not feelings.

Nope, fact is 56 T-72 M1 tanks from Czech republic only.

A total of 200 T-72 tanks ordered by Nigeria, 65% delivered according to president Jonathan.

T-72 AV tanks ordered from Ukraine....confirmed by Ukraine's minister for defence :

"Previously there was no information about contracts on delivery of such armaments to Nigeria. However, the information about the repair works of T-72AV at State Enterprise “Lviv Armor Repair Plant” appeared in September 2014. Concerning the BTR-4E, it seems that small part of 42 BTR-4E APCs batch designed for Iraq, was sold to Nigeria, after Iraq refused to accept them.

On March 26, 2014, Ukraine’s ex-PM Yulia Tymoshenko asked the Security Service of Ukraine to investigate the sale of military equipment to foreign states during the time of Russian military aggression against Ukraine. She also noted, that she had the information about the preparation of delivery of T-72 tanks and BTR-4E APCs to Nigeria.

Valeriy Heletey, then-Defense Minister of Ukraine, refuted some part of Tymoshenko’s statements, while confirmed the existence of a sales contract between Ukraine and Nigeria. “The contract was signed during the presidency of Viktor Yanukovych, and in case of inability to fulfill this contract, Ukraine will be obliged to pay the penalties.” – said Mr. Heletey.


http://info-news.eu/ukraine-delivered-t-72ab-tanks-and-btr-4e-apcs-to-nigeria/

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Henry120:
- you're taking the extra export to be more delusional today, I'll give you that, and for your extra effort, I'll oblige.

Denel requires 100 orders to restart your Half-french line. Whose going to order your obsolete Helicopter over the Apache, tiger, MI-28, Mi-35m, T-129, Z-10...... Nobody!! Wake up.

- Project biro is 23years old, this is a fact!!!

- you have 9 pilots for 26 planes. you have an even serve shortage of actual qualified pilots.

- your Project biro has always been in comatose.

- the Nigerian Airforce MI-35m is the most advanced attack helicopter in Sub-saharan Africa, only second behind the egyptian Apache in Africa.

- the Nigerian Navy has 1 Frigate, 4 corvettes and 6 missile crafts in service. Assets which can be called upon if and when the need Arises. "Nobody uses a Dynamite to deal with a rat problem".

The Nigerian Navy has a force tairlored to deal with it's requirements, as such the Navy boosts of over 300 vessels, IPVs, MPVs, OPV's and long endurance cutters. The Nigerian Navy is an efficient properly excuted force.

- the Nigerian Army ordered at-least 200 T-72 tanks from the Czech republic, Ukraine, belarus. The Army also ordered at-least 300 MRAPs, 120 CS/VP3's from china, 50+ Reva's from ICP, 120+ Igirigi and Streit MK3's.

This is a fact.

- you only have 5 Patria IFV's in service. The Afrikanner industry is adding turrets, Bravo! You sure showed them.

The SANDF is a poorly equipped, poorly trained force lacking in skill and ethos required of a proper military.

Your very own defence minister took the words right from my mouth,


Mapisa-Nqakula -- stated unambiguously that the SANDF was in a state of decline characterised by force imbalance between capabilities, ageing technology, and unaffordability of many of its main operating systems.


Furthermore,

"Unfortunately, the SANDF is already sitting with an array of expensive hardware that it cannot deploy, either because it lacks the skilled crews – or because it can’t afford the running costs."

Nice yarn !
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patches689:
Cool customs boat

Where do the blue and res flashing lights go? How loud are the sirens?

South Africa is dying to have one stealth OPV like Nigeria, you envy NNS Centenary and keep boasting about project Biro OPV deal that is already jinxed by Harry Porter's witchcraft
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patches689:
Do you have proof of any of your claims?

You were the one making claims , I asked you to prove it, then you ran into hiding. Burden of proof was on your cowardly head.

patches689:
Hahahah

Civilian equipment mate - fixed position civilian equipemnt

@MikeCAR asked for air traffic control, not military radar, he got that surprise answer, it was spot on....on target
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patches689:
No citations and emotive language

Your government is so broke you need to borrow money to pay peoples salaries - 80% of your revenue comes from oil.

Your country is a joke.

South Africa has 6 times more debt than Nigeria....Southie foreign debt alone is $40 billion, your next generation will keep paying loan interest
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jln115:
Dude you have been posting weapon systems that will never even be in service with the Nigerian army, at least the weapon systems I posted, there are at least 1 unit in service with the SANDF and will be fully operational in the next 1-2 years.

SANDF has NO SINGLE Umkhonto ground based missile in service.

CASE CLOSED