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Patchesagain:
1. Gripen PS-05/A can detect ground targets at 120km?
2. What is a recon satelight?
3. What is Thales Sophie ground search radar?
4. Laser designation can be deployed from Sniper-Pods or by SF/SOF who have a long history of deploying deep behind enemy lines.

Who says that you cannot see ground targets with Recce pods from high altitude?

100km bombs a waste of time? Are bridges mobile? Ammo dumps? Runways? Hangars? Controll towers? Motor-pools? Fuel Storage facilities? Ammo dumps? Power stations? Oil infrastructure?

Clown

How does a South African Gripen jet with 850 km maximum range, travel 5,000 km to attack Nigerian Oil infrastructure ?

You mix cocaine with your morning tea today ?

Gripen jet radar is only 75 km range in ground search and about 50 km it ground target tracking.

Recon satellite, South Africa has NONE, you have one surveillance satellite while Nigeria has 3 such satellites, we have more satellite power than you.

One satellite CANNOT cover the world, it only sees one part at the same time, your lone ranger satellite orbits the earth, when it's over China, it does not see the other continent where you are fighting war.

Nigeria has 3 satellites enough to cover almost the whole world, so we see you 3 times faster than you see us.

Mobile air defences will drive around and satellites coordinates are NOT CORRECT once the vehicle drives away to coordinate position, your GPS guidance will send guided bomb to wrong location.

SAAF will NOT be able to use any guided bomb against Nigerian targets, NAF will see your jets as soon as they take off the ground and from 500 km away, we see you, then 60 NAF jets are in the air to meet 50 SAAF jets inside your own territory.

SAAF is outnumbered and outgunned by NAF..... 50 jets Vs 60 jets .....you lose the air war, your bombs will NEVER be dropped, we will use them as fuel explosive to blow up each of your jet fighters when F-7 missiles and Alpha cannon ignite your Gripens and Hawks like Christmas fireworks
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FighterPilot:
So, what colours are SANDF?

SANDF tank...

FighterPilot:
If my military is incapable like that of Nigeria and is for the interest of the people, I will do it. See now the pride of Nigeria had never paid off.

Boko Haram is 99.99 % dead !
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EVarn:
New camo?..its indeed an encouraging development.
However,none of our terrain or weather matches that camo shade,except if those guys belong in the navy or SF.
I could be wrong though,i'm opened to correction.

Nigerian navy SF....blue camo.....blue ocean.

NAF VIP

Naija the Napoleons of Africa....

FighterPilot:
That arrangement is very stup.id and it said to have been organised by the incompetent Nigerian military. What if the militants flee deeper into Nigeria? The MNJTF will not be allowed to go any deeper, isn't? so, the arrangement of responsibilities does not do MNJTF any good.

SANDF and SAAF plus special forces, all 3 combined could not arrange the expelling of ordinary Rhino poachers from Kruger park in your own native homeland for the past 10 years.
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FighterPilot:
We are talking about two different incidences, Marte and Sambisa forest. I am talking about Marte which has been forcefully taken away from your troops.

You are posting a false report....now eat the humble pie

" The reports by some media outfits claiming that terrorists are now in control of Mafa in Borno State are false. The truth is that an attempt by a group of fleeing terrorists who strayed towards the town and engaged in their typical suicide attack was duly repelled by troops. Similarly, the claim by some media organisations that terrorists chased out troops and took over Marte cannot be verified as troops were busy elsewhere during the said attack.

However, all efforts to track the terrorists who were reported to have attacked the town have not indicated their presence as claimed. Surveillance activities are however ongoing although there has been no indication of the large number of terrorists as being claimed in some reports attributed to anonymous sources. The terrorist are certainly no longer capable of that level of coordinated action by thousands of terrorists as reported.

Also, troops have not retreated from Sambisa forest as claimed by same sources. Rather, the operation is progressing and gaining increasing momentum towards clearing all terrorists hideouts in the forest.

It is noteworthy that it is becoming common for stories of attacks on some remote settlements to be fabricated and attributed to anonymous or unidentifiable source in remote places. This is apparently the work of terrorists sympathisers or propagandists.

Military operations to eliminate all terrorists hideouts are going on well and the terrorists are being seriously decimated. They will continue to be pursued and prevented from constituting danger to civilian population in their desperation for survival, suicide or publicity.

The media is advised to ignore fabrication being churned out by some terrorists sympathizers trying to encourage the terrorists who are in disarray. The truth is that the operation to decimate them from Nigerian territories is progressing well. The military will not be dissuaded by the resurgence of false reports on the operations. The progress will be prosecuted as necessary."

– See more at: http://defenceinfo.mil.ng/beware-terrorists-sympathisers-are-fabricating-stories-to-encourage-them/#sthash.VU0dZbUP.dpuf


Nigeria has broken the backbone of Boko Haram.....only it's shadow remains.

SANDF cannot even purge South Africa of mere Rhino Poachers
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FighterPilot:
The lies of Nigerian government of always downplaying number of victims in Boko Haram insurgency are now exposed.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/28/hundreds-found-dead-as-details-of-fresh-attack-by-boko-haram-emerge-in-nigeria

Dead Boko Haram bodies of terrorists killed in battle by gallant Nigerian army
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FighterPilot:
Yes, only one gripen will tear your ATR-42 into pieces. Fighter jets do intercept spy planes.

http://theaviationist.com/2014/10/02/su-27-intercept-swedish-elint-plane/

One F-7 will tear all your 24 Hawk jets into pieces in one day
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jln115:
Leo 2 in the karoo.

Not in SANDF colours and NOT in SANDF service......how is it yours ?

The Mi-24V is in Nigerian colours and service.....it's ours. How is the Leo MBT driving inside some unknown desert become SANDF property?

How are we sure that desert is even South Africa.....when did you pay for the tank or it was a free Christmas gift? Is that SANDF colour?

jln115:
I have and you have posted no source that confirm you received 6 Alpha jets, but at least I provided a source that state you only received 2 Alpha jets from the US.

Defenceweb is NOT SURE of numbers, it said AT LEAST TWO....why not say two? Defenceweb knows it does not know Nigerian military things with certainty, so it cautioned itself, also it must have seen the Beegeagle as a superior source on Nigeria and is being careful not to write contrary to the powerful insider source that knows what mighty SIPRI does not know.

You can add this to your shock list, Nigeria is getting 200 T-72 tanks....SIPRI says it has lost track of Nigerian T-72 purchases, however, the insider source for the 120 Bigfoot MRAPS and 6 Alpha jets has confirmed 200 T-72 tanks, the photos and videos we have seen alone count about 100 units already, the tanks are just everywhere.

Nigeria paid USAir for 6 PGM enabled American standard upgrade Alpha jets since 2014 last year.

Nothing changes that.

jln115:
Yes and I KNOW South Africa received 200 Leo 2A6 MBTs

Show us photo of just one of the 200 Leo MBTs in SANDF....just one, like we show you one or two Mi-24V and Alpha Jet USAair
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jln115:
I don't want your opinion mate! Provide a citation to back up your claims.

I won't repeat ANYTHING for a fool, go search the archives. Lazy bones. Do you pay me for time spent here searching out old information to repeat just because you demand for it? I won't invest my time on you no matter what you say. I don't care.

jln115:
"You said on the Roland vs Bomb issue that you believe I am the one editing Wikipedia to post fraud"
What? When did I ever say that?

"6 American Alpha jets are upgraded for precision guided munitions"
According to Defenceweb you only received 2: http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38540:nigerian-air-force-receiving-additional-alpha-jets&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

"The older French built Alphas had 9 in batch one upgrade to 6 pylons instead of 4 hard points, and second batch of 5 went for upgrades too, NAF announced that in 2014, was posted here. Adding new pylons in nit refurbishment, it's upgrade. Total now 20 Alpha jets."
According to defenceweb the 9 Alpha jets were only refurbished and not upgraded, besides receiving 2 extra hardpoints can barley be regarded as an upgrade!
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=36979:nigerian-air-force-returns-refurbished-c-130-to-service&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

Defenceweb knows NOTHING about NAF beyond what they read on internet. Defenceweb is NOT an authority on Nigerian air force equipment, do they know any details about the 6 American Alpha jets? It was Beegeagle that revealed the purchase contract in 2014 and showed the public photos in 2015, even SIPRI failed to get any of that information, now you talking about a copy and paste defenceweb that has no insider in NAF.

We bought 24 Alpha jets, remove 10 for attrition, 14 are for various types of upgrade at various times and batches since 2013, and 6 Amerian Alphas were purchased, a world respected SIPRI was too sidetracked by NAF to know that and SIPRI has no record of it, then you think your local defenceweb is better than SIPRI on Nigerian military.

I have no interest in discussing pointless argument of an ignorant you that says adding two extra pylons on NAF Alpha jet is a mere refurbishment not upgrade, why should I waste my time with a retaaard who calls an upgrade a refurbishment
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jln115:
WTF dude!! not once did I even comment on the whole Roland vs Bomb saga! I asked for a source to prove that all 20 Alpha jets were upgraded P.S not refurbished but upgraded you have yet to provide any such source on this thread or any other thread for that matter!

You said on the Roland vs Bomb issue that you believe I am the one editing Wikipedia to post fraud, now that Patches has admitted he is the one, you avoid the issue completely....shame on you.

Are you blind, 6 American Alpha jets are upgraded for precision guided munitions combat by the American users before Nigeria bought them.

The older French built Alphas had 9 in batch one upgrade to 6 pylons instead of 4 hard points, and second batch of 5 went for upgrades too, NAF announced that in 2014, was posted here. Adding new pylons is not refurbishment, it's upgrade. Total now 20 Alpha jets.

Consult the archives, lazy man.

NAF new Alpha in snow land.

jln115:
Dude!! Stop lying!! You didn't post any citation that all 20 Alpha jets were upgraded! The only citation you gave regarding the Alpha jets, was one were you stated that NAF received 9 refurbished Alpha jets!

You see, this is what you do! if you cant provide a citation to prove your claims, you lie and say you already posted a source and don't want to repost it.

I proved that Roland shoots down bombs, that is classic. I post citations for all my claims if I insist they have sources.

It's you Southies that like to argue with sources when it bursts your over-bloated bubble and shatters your inflated ego.

We just wrecked SAAF brand new 120 km range Umbani-Al Tariq guided bombs here, and you guys are butt hurt that Nigeria has capacity to defeat such a modern long range weapon by using a much older equipment. Shock, that's what we give you here, shockers...shocks...live wire.

NAF had 24 French made Alpha jets, attrition cost about 6 units.

The new American 6 Alpha jets, are American owned PGM capable and upgraded by the users, now sold to Nigeria, the videos and photos were splashed here many weeks ago. The older NAF Alpha jet upgrades showed a total of 14, the 9 was first batch. All those stories have been posted here, if you have short memory, it's normal for every South African
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jln115:
Hey retaard! I wouldn't be asking you for citations if you posted it in the first place.

Now post some citations to back up those claims!!

You have done that many times, I have a good memory. You joined this forum last year asking me to repeat posts about NN stealth catamarans for you alone, as if I am your errand boy....you must be craaaazy.

Go back to search the archives of this thread if you need old information, lazy man....your lazy friends are thsoe killing immigrants that have taken jobs away from you lazy people. Lazy man
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FighterPilot:
It is not false, Marte is in the arms of Boko Haram again. Nigerian soldiers fled as usual, doing what they do best.


http://www.dailytrust.com.ng/sunday/index.php/news/20505-boko-haram-attacks-mafa-town-in-borno

Your news source is old, my own news is today current as we speak...

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/sambisa-military-deploys-more-equipment-continues-assault/207795/
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jln115:
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"Nigeria has 20 Alpha jets all upgraded to 2013 modern European standard and 2014 American standard. The American versions fire PGMs."
Citation needed!!!

"MBB 339 are in Italy for upgrade"
Citation needed!!

"11 F-7 jets with year 2005 radar and avionics, and a deadly modern PL-9C missile."
You know you are talking shittt, you yourself said the F-7 is obsolete!!And the A-Darter is light years ahead of the PL-9.

"Hawk jets have no radar and are just trainers in light ground attack role. The pilots have ZERO air to ground combat experience on the Hawks."
Thanks to linkZA every thing the Gripen radar sees the Hawk can see it to ,and target it! And our pilots train very very regularly thus what we lack in experience we make up for in training.

"The radar on the Gripen are 1995 era...20 years obsolete Gripen radars"
Our Gripens have the latest PS-05/A MK4 Radar, not the MK1 you are mentioning.

"SAAF Gripens have less than 1 missile for each jet aircraft...approximately 0.98 missiles per jet."
As of this year we have a unlimited supply.

"South Africa is in same bucket with Malawi according to United Nations military rankings released in Congo DRC"
Citation Needed!![/s]

You have this lazy habit of asking me to repeat old old comments that have been posted repeatedly on this thread even if just recently posted.

I have better things to do with my time, so consult the archives.

Don't you Southies ever get bored with repetitions? I know you always lack new ideas and creativity, reason why there is NOTHING like Nollywood or Nairaland created by 50 million South African dullards
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FighterPilot:
Gripen jet has all that, just. because is small does not mean it does not incoperate all that. One gripen will kill ATR beyond recognition.

Gripen Vs F-7NI.

Jets and ISTAR unarmed aircraft don't engage. It's jet vs jet.....are you a fake fighter pilot?

Also, did I hear you say Gripen has ELINT like NAF ATR-42 ? Do you know what an ELINT aircraft looks like ? You this comedian.

FighterPilot:
Nigerian military take to their heels again. No source in the world could had ever been written alleging SANDF fleeing from war zone. Nigerian military is a blunder!!!

http://www.breakingnews.com/item/2015/04/25/boko-haram-retakes-northeast-town-from-nigerian-ar/

False news again :



“Reuters news says fighting continued till early Friday when the soldiers retreated. The town has fallen and insurgents are fully in charge, they are more than 2000 in number.

But a military source dismissed the fall of Marte as untrue, insisting that there was still an on-going battle between the troops and the insurgents.

He also said: “It is true the military and the insurgents were drawn in battle at Marte, but I can tell you that the operation is on-going, we would not allow any part of this country to be held hostage by any hoodlums.”

On the attack on Mafa, Indi said the insurgents came in large number at about 6pm but met a stiff battle from the military.
He added that the terrorists retreated when they were not making any headway."

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/sambisa-military-deploys-more-equipment-continues-assault/207795/
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FighterPilot:
SA is a master of EW system in the world. Nigeria is not superior to us not to any inch. We compete with only America in the world.

Nigeria is already dark everyday, every hour of the night.

Show us your South African EW, ESM, ELINT and ECM aircraft with all the equipment loaded inside it, like this one in Nigeria....
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FighterPilot:
ATR is just a civilain machine.

I see what inferiority complex has done to you in broad day light. Hope you won't go mental and walk n..a..k..e..d into Shoprite
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MikeCZAR:
Civilian radar. Which a Cessna pilot can evade.

Which can also be easily jammed?

From safe distance or escorted by F-7 jets, NAF ATR-42 surveyor electronic warfare equipment can jam ALL radars owned by South Africa, whether civilian or military....we just make you go blind....as if ESKOM cut power at night....blind !
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andrewza:
They was there opinion based on what they knew. None ever left for a combat zone. They where found wantining.

Nope, your own very source says SADF deployed Cactus SAM in battle of Quito and Cuban boys captured it as SADF troops fled back to base in Seleka Bangui style.

Your own comment and source says SADF had been used to abandoning heavy equipment since the time of Cuba, not just Seleka....

andrewza:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crotale_(missile)

In March 1988, Cuban intelligence operatives evaluated the system as deployed by the South African Defence Force during the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale. They claimed it was ineffective against attack profiles of the MiG-21 and MiG-23 operated by the Angolan Air Force, criticising the design as "shoddy", "outdated", and "useless".

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andrewza:
These are the kills confirmed by the British government.

Citation needed....pocket your emotional talk

Show us source of GDF jet kills in Falkland war...the way I proved Roland shot down bombs
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jln115:
"F-7 jets and Alpha jets will be intercepting SAAF"
Dude! your F-7s dont even stand a chance against our retired Cheetah Cs never mind a Gripen!

"Nigeria that has 60 jet fighters"
And every single one is an obsolete piece of shiitt, were as SAAF has 50 state-of-the-art Combat aircraft jets!

"What do you think Nigeria is? Burundi republic?"
Yes.

Nigeria has 20 Alpha jets all upgraded to 2013 modern European standard and 2014 American standard. The American versions fire PGMs.

11 F-7 jets with year 2005 radar and avionics, and a deadly modern PL-9C missile.

MBB 339 are in Italy for upgrade.

L-39 Albatross has Czech upgrade in the last decade.

Hawk jets have no radar and are just trainers in light ground attack role. The pilots have ZERO air to ground combat experience on the Hawks.

South Africa has 9 Gripen pilots not combat qualified but manageable to fly air show at Mandela's funeral only.

The radar on the Gripen are 1995 era...20 years obsolete Gripen radars.

SAAF Gripens have less than 1 missile for each jet aircraft...approximately 0.98 missiles per jet.

If I need an air force for a comedy show, I will hire South African air force.....your combat status will make the world to laugh !

South Africa is in same bucket with Malawi according to United Nations military rankings released in Congo DRC
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FighterPilot:
You only have 60 useless aircrafts.

I see 50 useless SAAF aircraft, including 26 Gripens that share 25 missiles among themselves.....world record uselessness
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MikeCZAR:
Shared information. What a Gripen can see others will see.

Maritime search radar.

Nothing scary or special. The radar on the SAAF Super Lynx helicopters has a range of 350km+.

NAF ATR-42 maritime radar did perfectly well in ground battlefield intelligence, detecting human beings and vehicles, your Super Lynx has nothing close to the full range of equipment loaded inside a whole aeroplane cabin like the NAF ATR-42....you compare a tiny helicopter to a huge aircraft loaded with ELINT stuff and ESM stuff ?

Show us the interior command and control console of your Super Lynx and let us count how many intelligence/surveillance analysis computers you have inside your tiny toy

See Nigeria below....ATR-42 ....no comparison in Africa...
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MikeCZAR:
Like any air defence system it has two radars.

A search or target acquisition radar and a tracking or fire control radar.

1. Thompson-CSF D-Band pulse doppler radar: Is the search radar.

2. Thompson-CSF J-band monopulse doppler radar: is the fire control radar.

Come get this humble!

Let me beat up both Mike and Andrew on same page .....one blow....two casualties

andrewza:
Did you read the links. It all so used J band radars.

None where captured, they where never deployed out side nambia.

How was Cuba inspecting your SADF Cactus if they did not capture it? You gave your enemy your missile system as free Christmas gift?

Only you South African dullards think Germany and France were using a 1964 radar on their Rolands in 1985 to 2005. You fools

J Band or D band, SADF had 1960s Thompson radars. Nigeria has 1980s Siemens-Thompson radar. They are different.

Proof....SADF Thompson radar of 1964 is an older weaker version with 4.5 km altitude :

In July 1964, South Africa placed a development contract with the French company, Thomson-Houston (later Thomson-CSF) for a mobile, all-weather, low-altitude surface-to-air missile system. Mounted on the top of the vehicle is a Thomson-CSF pulse Doppler radar with fixed-echo suppression which rotates at 60 rpm and has a maximum detection range of 18.5 km against low-level targets with speeds of between 35 and 440 m/s and altitude limits between zero and 4,500 m .

Nigerian Roland radar is newer and more powerful, more sophisticated, it has 5.5 km or 5,500 m altitude

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/roland.htm

Sorry loser, South Africa bought a useless type of 1960s radar and Cuban boy soldiers captured your air defences to examine it in their laboratory....what a humiliation
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