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Patchesagain:
Not even worth replying to.

Speed is 1000km/h with drag

End of story.

Show scientific proof
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Patchesagain:
[size=20pt]Proof has been posted. And quite clearly says that max fall speed is around 1000km/h[/size]

[size=20pt].....inside a vacuum.

The ONLY experiment done was inside a vacuum where no air exists, is that a normal world?

Fool

No experiment was done in real air, show us a real air test dude !
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saengine:
Listen to this fake military researcher who has clearly never touched a calculator or attended any pshysics class. The source cleary says anything dropped in a vacuum from 20 000 feet (feather, bomb, laptop, tank) would hit the ground at 773 mph. Not faster, not slower. 773 mph. There is no range "550-773 mph" for items falling in a vacuum you basic, tree educated, fo.ol. They accelerate at the same speed, and would hit the ground at the same speed from 20 000 feet. 773 mph. Basic physics.


The only way for any piece of matter to hit the ground at a speed less than 773 mph from 20 000 feet is if it's dropped in normal, standard air altitude. 550 - 650 mph is the terminal velocity range. Terminal velocity is a direct function of drag co-efficient. Drag only exists in normal air, not in a vacuum you fo.ol. Those bombs fall between 550-650 mph in standard air.

It's embarrassing that you typed this in big bold letters, when it's clear to everyone that you dont even know what terminal velocity is .

I asked you, how can a skydiver with a higher drag coefficient than a streamlined bomb fall at a terminal velocity of 200km/h? But you claim Umbani only falls at 150km/h? I sure your brain exploded when you saw that question.

You are a fake. Utter, complete fake. Security guard who wishes he was a military researcher who "works with ex fighter pilots". Utter fake.

Listen to a wise man, quoted below :

"Depends on drop method, air resistance, weight, and drop altitude. A bomb from a dive bomber would be much faster since it is "launched" at the diving aircraft's speed. Dropped from a conventional bomber, at some speed, air resistance will balance acceleration and the bomb will reach terminal velocity. This will take much longer to happen with a bomb from a dive bomber. In either case, the bomb must be released high enough to allow time to reach terminal velocity. Sorry I can't give you actual numbers."

See how you Southies contradict yourselves, Saengine says 200 km/hr, Patches says 1,000 km/hr

Now, you two fools, show us manufacturers specifications datasheet showing the speed of a guided bomb in this world

Soweto fools, na inside vacuum una go sink today
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Patchesagain:
[size=20pt]Augustus.

I dont have to show you anything. [/size]

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[size=20pt]No proof ! So nice to see you surrender openly
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Patchesagain:
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Ok, so you are too dense to use google.

Let me explain: Terminal Velocity is based on drag. Drag does not exist in a vacuum.

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[size=20pt]Post for us to see, a chart or source for the speed of a bomb dropped inside real air, your current story is about a bomb dropped inside a vacuum.

Listen to a wise man I quote below :

"Depends on drop method, air resistance, and drop altitude. A bomb from a dive bomber would be much faster since it is "launched" at the diving aircraft's speed. Dropped from a conventional bomber, at some speed, air resistance will balance acceleration and the bomb will reach terminal velocity. This will take much longer to happen with a bomb from a dive bomber. In either case, the bomb must be released high enough to allow time to reach terminal velocity.
Sorry I can't give you actual numbers."

Show us the one that is dropped in normal air and tell us the speed, we are tired of your brain vacuum theory fraud

( HINT : HAVE YOU EVER SEEN MANUFACTURE SPECS DATA SHEET QUOTING SPEED FOR GUIDED BOMBS ? FOOL ! )

Case Closed In A Vacuum box.
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Patchesagain:
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Augustus, you dont know what terminal velocity is!?

Your poor education has let him down again!!


So it is likely that the T.V (terminal velocity) of a bomb is in the 550 to 650 m.p.h. range

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%202755.html

Go google terminal velocity and see why you are a fool

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[size=20pt]The bomb was dropped inside a vacuum....so your whole argument is destroyed by your own source.

"The chart shows that the vertical velocity of a bomb dropped from 20,000ft. in a vacuum would be the tremendous value of 773 m.p.h. (This figure applies to any piece of matter ; even a feather released at this height in a perfect vacuum would hit the ground at 773 m.p.h or about 1,200 km/hr ."

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%202755.html

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Patchesagain:
I said 550-650 mph not 773. If you were literate you would know this.

[size=16pt]I also like how you fraudulently miss-quoted the artical in pathetic and childish attempt to try win an argument[/size]

As is supported by their calculations which include considerations of air resistance


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The chart shows that the vertical velocity of a bomb dropped from 20,000ft in a vacuum would be the tremendousvalue of 773 m.p.h. (This figure applies to any piece of matter ; even a feather released at this height in a perfect vacuum would hit the ground at 773 m.p.h.—and would probably penetrate it.

We approached question from the other way, we know that the terminal velocity of a streamlined modern monoplane is something like 500 or 600 m.p.h. Its shape corresponds somewhat to a bomb with wings, so it is likely that the terminal velocity of the bomb, having no wings, will be somewhat higher. It must be remembered, however, that the surface roughness of the bomb is greater than that of the aeroplane, and this will cause considerable resistance at high speed.

So it is likely that the T.V. of a bomb is in the 550 to 650 m.p.h. range

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%202755.html


There you have it, bombs fall at speeds approaching 1046.07km/h

Once and for all the matter is now beyond argument.

And since you mis-read my first post, and then couldent understand the citation, and since you thought that air-gets denser at altitude, I am forced to correct your earlier statement with:

All Nigerians are the dullest 150 million people in the world....ZERO maths ZERO science ZERO reading ability!!

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LOL....LOLZ...LOLLY LOL....

You are still repeating the same suicidal quote again to w.reck yourself publicly, see the bolded part of your above quote in green font....bomb dropped in a vacuum....no air for the pilot to even breathe, no air for the jet engine to do fuel combustion and fly

Your whole argument is d.estroyed by the fact that the speed of 550 mph, 650 mph, or 773 mph, all over 1,000 km/hr, is achieved by dropping that bomb inside a perfect vacuum where no air exists, so you have to suck out all the air on planet earth to achieve your 1,000 km/hr speed according to your own source evidence :

"The chart shows that the vertical velocity of a bomb dropped from 20,000ft in a vacuum would be the tremendous value of 773 m.p.h. (This figure applies to any piece of matter ; even a feather released at this height in a perfect vacuum would hit the ground at 773 m.p.h or about 1,200 km/hr ."

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%202755.html

Your poor South African education has k.illed Patches & Co in self-suicide

The fear of Nigeria is the beginning of common sense.

Top 10 ranked South African education is worse than that of Congo DRC.

Bwahahaahaha ! Patches has been e-slaughtered on internet today again o !

H.is bruised and battered body has been dropped inside a vacuum

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Patchesagain:
AND IN SO DOING PROVE THAT WIKIPEDIA IS A COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE SOURCE

So, now that we have removed your ability to claim that a Roland somehow shot down a bomb, please read the following:


- targeting altitude. The AN/AAQ-28(V) LITENING targeting pod which we use is also used on B52 Stratofortresses that operate at... you guessed it... 50 000 ft.

Conclusion: Your equipment can be targetted from complete safety of your air-defence network.

- Bombs fall at 150kph. False. According to this manual, bombs fall at speeds up to (dependant on weight and speed of the plane that drops it)

550 to 650 m.p.h or, 1029.98 km/h


http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%202755.html

- SANDF SAM. We have the starstreak, which is the perfect VSHORAD system and the best MANPAD in the world. This is supplimented by a brand new advanced CRAM system with AHEAD ammunition. Your antiquated platforms arent even in the same century as ours.

And, while I am on the topic, you also have no way to defend against saturation attack.

- Show us the source for these claims about a single roland shooting down bombs and defending an airbase

- You claims that you can defend against the SANDF with your current air defence platforms. Nope, ancient SPAAG without radars, obsolete Rolands and pathetic little electro optically driven guns (o wow, reflex sights, so impressive) have no way of defending against modern air-attack from stand off munitions. Just like Iraq, just like Libya and just like Syria, who all had better air-defence systems than you

I look forward to your overly emotional troll response.

[size=13pt]Bwahahahaha

@Patches failed basic science in school like all South Africans do fail

Read your own source, it actually posted data for free fall bomb in a vacuum where there is no air existing leading to assumption of zero air resistance to slow down a normal falling objects !

"The chart shows that the vertical velocity of a bomb dropped from 20,000ft. in a vacuum would be the tremendous value of 773 m.p.h. (This figure applies to any piece of matter ; even a feather released at this height in a perfect vacuum would hit the ground at 773 m.p.h or about 1,200 km/hr "

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%202755.html

LOL....so no air exists in this world where you fly your SAAF jet aircraft ? Hilarious !

Patches has k.illed h.imself with his own source, he flies Gripen and Hawk jets dropping guided bombs in the world that has no air existing...a perfect vacuum....how does he even get oxygen to breath and stay alive ?

Fact is that in real life, your Soweto guided bomb max speed is about 150 km/hr .

All South Africans are the dullest 50 million people in the world....ZERO maths ZERO science

South Africa's best universities in Africa are producing the worst brains in Africa

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Patchesagain:
....THAT WIKIPEDIA....

So, now that we have removed your ability to claim that a Roland somehow shot down a bomb, please read the following:

So you admit that you deliberately committed an act of fraud by deleting world recorded war history from Wikipedia to mislead the world and win yourself a false victory in an argument ?

Shame on South Africa as a nation, shame !

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frumentius:
Again I ask, what is the purpose of this thread? Besides attracting page-views for the webmaster which he/she may then leverage for advertising revenue. It shames me to see people who engage intelligently elsewhere on these pages falling for this scam. The original question - Who Has The Strongest Army? - is analogous to that other non-question: "when did you stop beating your wife?".

Google "complex question fallacy" FFS!

This thread is a mix of information, entertainment, history, technology, etc.

You just failed to personally figure out all that value from the longest known internet forum thread in Africa.

Sorry dude, we learn and have fun at the same time on this thread 'Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa?'
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Patchesagain:
So.... now we get to my point.

[size=16pt]The only evidence of a Roland being able to engage a falling bomb is from Wikipedia[/size]

[size=16pt] Strong enough evidence for you to have edited and deleted it off Wikipedia

The original source is actually Janes Defence world respected military source, and the Wikipedia quote had an approved citation of source....citation #12....Janes Defence publication of Falkland war history.

All evidence posted below, @Pateches is beaten up blue black again [/size]

Patchesagain:
[size=16pt]Come now post the citation... I dare you![/size]
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[size=16pt]Next time, don't you ever dare the truth, eat the humble pie
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Patchesagain:
[size=20pt]Come now post the citation... I dare you![/size]

[size=20pt] LOL....the whole forum remembers how you edited and deleted the citation data and source last year 2014 from Wikipedia-Falkland war 1982 history after many people on this forum had already seen and read it....anointed fraudster
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Patchesagain:
Augustus.

We have told you over, and over and over.

Hawk will use the data-link.

Hawk can fly at an altitude of 6km where it is safe from Rolands and your Shilka.

Your SAAF Hawk jets will NEVER be safe when dozens of NAF Alpha jets and F-7 jets exists.....your jets get s.hot down big time !

CASE CLOSED !
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Patchesagain:
arrrgggg


this is such a waste of time.

Augustus, what single peice of evidence do you have to suggest that a Roland or Shilka has CRAM capabilities?

Gripen radar can ID ground targets at 40km away

Gripen flying at 6km is safe from Rolands and Shilka

Gripen can use Recon pod at 6km... why must it be at 30 000ft?

Main point: [size=16pt]Who and what say that Shilka and Roland can target tiny bombs?
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We know we can because we specifically ordered the upgrade to give us CRAM capabilities, but you dont have that capability

You do NOT need CRAM munitions to shoot down a 150 km/hr Toyota car speed guided bomb....you dummy !

[size=20pt] A guided bomb is NOT tiny, it's not a hand grenade, your Umbani guided bomb is as big as a flying Drone-UAV !

Roland and Shilka Radar will detect Umbani guided bomb and weapons will be radar guided to destroy ALL your bombs, that is war reality proved by Argentina against Britain, Roland detected and destroyed bombs that were much smaller than your big Umbani guided bomb that is loaded with extra size guidance kits and so easy to find ! [/size]

You Southie guys are just p.issed off into panic mode because Nigerians are busting your bubble by neutralizing all your so called long range weapons in a very logical and scientific manner.....you don't know how hard it is to defeat Nigeria in war? Unless you are a world power like Britain, you stand no chance !
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saengine:
Again....you will be demolished every single time. Forcing you to make up sh*t as you go along.

-Nigeria has NO/ZERO 35km air-air missile. You have an obsolete 3rd generation 22km missile.

-Gripen with Iris-T will shoot down F-7 with PL-9 every single time. Fact. Deal with it. Even your master God Beegeagle says F-7's were a complete waste of money. High value scrap.

-You see how you just make sh*t up? Today....2015....no airctaft can identify targets at 30000 feet? Are you ma.d? Seeker UAV can see a tennis ball at 5000 feet, you dont think a dedicated recon pod cant see artillery positions, convoys, radar masts, oil refineries at 30 000 feet? Gripen doesn't even need to be there....6km is just fine. Capturing target GPS locations, and relaying it back to Hawks.

-Nigerian pretend air defences cannot cover all key positions. You keep running away from that point. We will gladly bomb your oil refineries, air port runways, bridges, arms depos, convoys etc etc. You will be stretched thin.

-post proof NOW that Umbani travels at 150km/h. Show us an article which SPECIFICALLY states the speed of Umbani, and names Umbani by name. Umbani is not just a simple glide to target bomb. It can perform maneuvers when approaching target. You think a weapon which can perform a dog-leg turn over target, swoop down to hit at 90 degree angle is only travelling at 150km/h?

-only a basic fo.ol like you educated under a tree will think a streamlined bomb, which a much much lower drag coefficient has a lower terminal velocity than a skydiver. A skydiver can fall above 200km/h. Now you come and tell us a streamlined bomb, falling from 30 000 feet will only reach 150km/h. Go back to school fo.ol.

You see how you are a fake military researcher who starts making up numbers when he panics?

Look at what garbage you wrote above, let me quote it below :

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-You see how you just make sh*t up? Today....2015....no airctaft can identify targets at 30,000 feet? Are you ma.d? Seeker UAV can see a tennis ball at 5,000 feet, you dont think a dedicated recon pod cant see artillery positions, convoys, radar masts, oil refineries at 30 000 feet? Gripen doesn't even need to be there....6km is just fine. Capturing target GPS locations, and relaying it back to Hawks. "

See how I forced you to dance to my music

You said flying at 30,000 feet your jets will detect ground target, then I asked you what is the range of your targeting or recon pod? You quickly realized your error of 30,000 feet and now you say Seeker drone saw tennis ball at 5,000 feet....cool....that is exactly what I said, at the range or altitude your jets can identify ground targets, your jets will be inside the range of Nigerian air defence syatems and get shot down, your new 5,000 km altitude is just 1.5 km....you see how a Nigerian from a war experienced air force beats up a South African day dreamer whose air force is always sleeping in bed or flying V.I.P transport for politicians?

Your SAAF will need to identify targets and get into the 8 km range of Nigerian air defences to be sh.ot down like houseflies facing insecticide.

Your recce pods or lightning targeting pods need a laser designator on the target to guide your Umbani bombs, so how will South African troops walk through the deadly Nigerian infantry, blood thirsty currently combat experienced Naija troops who have 3 times the manpower numbers of SANDF, how will you walk through all our vanguard soldiers' positions to go and hand place a laser designator device inside Nigerian territory for your Gripen jets? Laser guided bomb needs laser designator placed by human hand on target, or else the jet will fly very close into the range of deadly enemy air defenses to laser illuminate the target after identification and then drop laser bomb on it.....whichever method you choose, it is death by Roland or death by Travor rifle.

You say South Africa will bomb Nigerian oil refinery 5,000 km away....your Gripen jet combat radius is only 850 km, are you m.ad ?

We have all agreed after argument on this forum that the technical and scientific fact of guided bombs is that they are NOT missiles, a bomb is NOT equal to ROCKET-MISSILE, guided bombs have NO fuel powered rocket, they run on batteries like your Nokia phone, they have no rocket speed, they glide through air on wind speed and gravity pull, their maximum speed free fall is about 150 km/hr like my Toyota car, they are too slow and a Shilka or Roland will eat them for breakfast as your Umbani gets wasted and your already cash broke SANDF loses more money again.

See dude, a 150 km/hr snail speed guided bomb is ZERO threat to an air force that has 2,000 km speed anti-air missiles.

You say we have only 16 Rolands? Yes how many such equipment do you have in South Africa? You have ZERO

The only SAM in SANDF has NO radar and it's maximum altitude/ceiling is 1 km....Togo republic will R.ape SANDF with Alpha jets

16 Rolands and 30 Shilka is more than enough, one single Roland stopped British air force attack on Argentine air base in Falklands war, the Britain had to wait for her army to win the ground war before they could defeat the airbase defences of Argentina, that is how powerful Roland is in real war.

Nigeria also has hundreds of Type 90 computerized anti-air twin guns designed to sh.oot down cruise missiles that fly at 700 km/hr speed.

Dude, 16 Roland, 30 Shilka, 100 Type 90 is enough air defence against a weak air force like South Africa that has NO SINGLE air to surface missile.....guided bombs of snail slow 150 km/hr speed will only be a threat to rebels like Seleka if you ever find the courage to challenge them again

One Roland, protects one NAF airbase. How many airbases do we need in war, 100 airports? Fool !

We have 50 mobile air defences, one for 1,000 troops and we protect 50,000 man army as big as the whole South African army.

You think anti-aircraft weapon system is like a AK-47 rifle that armies carry about in thousands of numbers?

F-7 jet, if you like say 22 km missile range, still a match for Gripen jet missile with 22 km range. I see a stalemate in air war if not a victory for NAF.

On the ground, Nigeria will completely whitewash and hogwash South Africa, Nigerian army is 3 times bigger and 100 times more experienced than South African army that is commanded by a rag tag ex-rebel army chief of staff General Shoke who has ZERO modern combat experience and was trained only for ANC freedom fighting by Zimbabwe
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Patchesagain:
I guess they bought T55's, Mowag's and multiple APC's and MRAP's through "black market proliferation channels"

No way they could have them from the 35 towns and garrisons that they over-ran

Boko Haram never had any MRAP unless you shipped one to them. They also had strange looking Shilka that has an abnormal shape, as well as Toyota mounted ZSU-23-4 all of which came from Libya and Sudan black markets.

Yes they captured some APC and T-55 tanks but Nigerian army has collected back everything or destroyed all of them, a war feat that SANDF has failed to achieve in Bangui as Seleka has gained permanent life long ownership of many South African army vehicles that we have been seeing on display for two years now, SANDF has no courage to go get them back or at least destroy the vehicles to stop the daily embarrassment from Seleka gangster rebels who are having fun cruising around in equipment Mandela bought with hard earned money
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osystein:
Very interesting article by the war nerd about recent xenophobic violence in south africa

The War Nerd: The Art of Turf War

http://pando.com/2015/04/19/the-war-nerd-the-art-of-turf-war/

South Africa is a big disgrace to the entire continent of Africa and the whole black race worldwide.

"There’s a war on now in South African cities, but no one’s calling it what it is. South Africans, mostly Zulu, are attacking shops run by foreigners, driving the aliens (mostly Zimbabwean, Somali, Nigerian, Pakistani, or Bangladeshi) out of their neighborhoods.

You can call these “riots” if it makes them seem smaller and safer, but the truth is, this is war. This is what war looks like, most of the time."

Nation of animals in human skin !
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saengine:
Told you. Your opinion is irrelevent. NAF has no immaginary 35km missile. Its 22km...deal with it. 1 Gripen escorting 2 Hawks, with multiple such attacks is more F-7's and PL-9 missiles than Nigeria can put in the sky. Your so called air force will be stretched thin, and demolished in one day. If Nigeria had Gripen and SA had F-7 you would still say SA's F-7 will shoot Gripen down? Are you m.ad?

Roland SAM and other air defence cannot be at every key defence location. They cannot be all key oil refineries supplying fuel to troops, and also all air force bases, and also also command posts, and all artillery batteries, and also all supply convoys, etc etc. As said before Umbani and Paveway will demolish such sights....with deadly accuracy. Deal with it.

South Africa has a key long range strike capability, to hit targets at pin point accuracy. Deal with it.

Jets don't win air war because of their name or reputation, they win based on the missiles they carry. Simple fact.

SAAF Gripen jets have NO long range air to air missile, NAF F-7 will match them or use extra range advantage of PL-9C missile.

South Africa bought Gripen jets with poor short legged air to air missiles, that is your country's stupiidity and error and is none of my business, it's your problem not mine. Who c.ursed SAAF with curse not to have a long range BVR missile, am I the witch/wizard that cursed them ?

Your jets get into air to air combat with enemy interceptor jets as soon as they get airborne, you cannot even get a chance to drop your guided bombs with NAF jets firing PL-9C missiles at your Gripen jets struggling for survival, the Hawk jets won't even wait to see the F-7 Vs Gripen outcome, they will run away for survival

You say it's my opinion, but the technical data sheets prove me right for all these weapons capabilities :

At 40 km away, your Gripen radar CANNOT identify specific targets.

At close range below 10 km your Gripen jet gets sh.ot down.

You want to use recon pod at 30,000 feet ? 10 km away above clouds you cannot identify and enemy target, what is the maximum range of your recce pod for precision targeting ?

Paveway bomb maximum range is about 15 km.

Umbani or Al Tariq and Paveway guided bombs all have a snail slow speed of less than 150 km/hr.....the Roland anti-air missile flies over 2,000 km/hr .

Shilka anti-air gun is radar guided and is designed to sh.oot down jets that fly at about 1,000 km / hr....your guided bomb speed is only 150 km/hr like a tortoise crawling to the market to do shopping .

South Africa has a useless long range capacity that will be neutralized by Nigerian air force and army.

Your weapons will work better against countries like Lesotho and Swaziland, go try your luck there
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saengine:
Irrelevent. Your opinion is irrelevent.You sound like you want to cry. I can ship you some tissues if you want. Thank you for your offer, but SAAF pilots don't need any training on how to fire point and shoot unguided rockets like Nigeria does against Boko Haram. I have told you many many times to go stand out in an open bush, sit under a tree, sit in a vehicle, and see if our pilots will miss you. You will be turned into instant minced meat for the vultures to eat.


Gripen using ditigal reconn pods, Gripen-Hawk datalink, satellite imagery, special forces forward spotters, etc will find a nice explosive target to be destroyed.....with less than 1m accuracy may i add . Non of your imaginary air defences can touch a Hawk or Gripen at 30000 feet incase they fly over a unseen position. Your imaginary air defence will be running around like head-less chickens wondering where the next munitions will be dropped.

1 Gripen and 2 Hawks drifting and teasing 40 km away from your F-7 air force base, threatening to blow up the runway. F-7's have no choice to go TRY and attack. 1 Gripen and 2 Hawks doing the same elsewhere. 1 Gripen 2 Hawks somewhere else. Hand full of F-7 jets completely split and torn apart in one day. In the meantime, Umbani and Paveway bombs rain down on fuel depos, strategic bridges, convoys, fixed radar masts, etc etc......all with pin-point accuracy.

Everything you wrote above is like a video game for kids.


Every bomb dropped by British air force against Argentina's air base was shöt down and wasted by Roland missiles.

Bombs are just too slow to become a threat to an air base defended by radar guided AAA and SAM....you just waste your bombs and fly back home with ZERO achievement.


The Nigerian air base ground radar will detect all your Hawk and Gripen jets from hundreds of kilometers away and fly to intercept even before you launch any guided bomb. With 35 km range PL-9C BVR missiles and superior flight altitude the NAF F-7 jets will shööt down ALL your Gripens and Hawks.

On the ground, your inexperienced SANDF special forces and spotters will be killed by blood thirsty Nigerian army infantry and special forces who are smoking hot with current battlefield experience in a 6 year war, battle hardened Nigerian troops who have killed Shekau I and II, deadly Naija Ninja army who recently fought and won massive battles inside Alagrano forest, Balmo forest, Sambisa forest, Baga desert, Bama desert, Gwoza mountains, Mubi hills, Maiduguri streets, Konduga streets where we slaughtered 1,000 Boko Harams like rams....kill....wë kill....Nigerian army kills in thousands.....every SANDF soldier that walks or drives out of your army base will NEVER return home alive !

On land and in air, Nigerian military is currently smoking hot fresh and battle hardened from a 6 year war with 6,000 air combat sorties in 6 months by NAF....South African military has just been sleeping at home with their wives....your air force has NOT flown a single combat sortie in 20 years

Nigerian army is commanded by currently experienced Napoleon Generals. South African army is commanded by a rag tag ex rebel ANC freedom fighter trained in Zimbabwe and with ZERO war experience apart from Bantu AK-47 runs in the failed freedom fight against his white apartheid masters, where he achieved ZERO success

Kenyan military is more experienced than South African military both on land and in the air. Kenyans fight El-Shabab on land and jets bomb Somalia.

SANDF was commanded and controlled by Tanzanian army in Congo DRC....United Nations put SANDF was in the same combat capacity bucket with Malawi....Tanzania was the shepherd and Malawi + South Africa were his fücking sheep

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Patchesagain:
Born in South Africa

Educated in South Africa

Not much more South African than that

Hahaha

Elon Reeve Musk was born in South Africa, but he is a Canadian-American entrepreneur engineer educated at Pennsylvania university in America and lives permanently in the USA. He is a cofounder of PayPal, Inc.

Glory thief, you Southies now steal people! You kill struggling low class fellow African black men with Xenophobia machetes on your streets, but you steal white American citizens and claim them as your own even when they are Canadian-American citizens.... Shame on your inferiority complex as South African citizens...Shame on you all for disgracing Africa in the eyes of the whole world !
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saengine:
http://www.janes.com/article/50940/denel-south-korea-in-talks-to-integrate-al-tariq-bomb-kit-on-fa-50s

https://www.janes.com/images/assets/940/50940/1137685_-_main.jpg

https://www.janes.com/images/assets/940/50940/p1390381.jpg

Denel Dynamics, the missile and UAV division of South Africa's Denel, is in talks with South Korea about integrating the Al-Tariq precision-guided bomb kit with the Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) FA-50 light fighter, a senior company executive has disclosed.

Thiens Botha, the company's product manager for stand-off weapons, told IHS Jane's on 23 April that the discussions involved the GPS/INS-guided variant, with fold-out wings and booster motor giving a range of about 100 km. The wingless variant has a range of about 40 km, depending on the release altitude.Imaging infrared and semi-active laser seeker options are also available for the Al-Tariq in a guidance and extension-range kit also known as the Umbani, which can be fitted to Mk 81, Mk 82, and Mk 83 bombs. The kit is a joint venture between Denel Dynamics and Tawazun Dynamics of the United Arab Emirates (UAE).


Botha said the South Korean talks marked the start of an international marketing campaign following the completion of "several hundred" kits for the UAE. The kits were now operational on the UAE's Mirage 2000-9 fighters and Hawker 102 trainers, he said.

Manufacturing would move to the UAE around the end of 2016, after which the South African company would focus on development. This was likely to include a radar seeker and a range extension of up to 200 km, said Botha.A stand-off bomb requirement was anticipated for the South African Air Force (SAAF) around 2018 and initial discussions had begun with Saab on requirements for the potential integration of the Al-Tariq on the SAAF's Saab Gripen fighters. Al-Tariq is already integrated on the SAAF's BAE Systems Hawk Mk 120 lead-in fighter trainers.

A demonstration firing on 23 April at a Rheinmetall Defence-Denel exhibition at South Africa's Overberg test range saw an Al-Tariq launched from a SAAF Hawk at 30,000 feet strike less than a metre from the designated point of impact after a camera-monitored flight of 40km.


Got to love South African engineering . Stand off weapon launched from 40km away, striking less than a meter from target. You can see how the SAAF would use this weapon. 1 Gripen, escorting 2 or maybe 3 Hawk jets. Hawks hitting key targets such as command posts, artillery positions, bridges, runways etcs. From stand-off distances beyond what some un-named country can ever dream of. Let us all have a good laugh when an un-named person thinks every comand post, artillery position, strategic bridge, air force base runway, radar mast etc will have a Roland system to "defend" from Umbani.

What makes you believe a Hawk jet that has no radar and is blind as a bat, will be 40 km away to see and detect locations where the enemy has deployed :

16 mobile vehicles of radar guided Roland launchers with 300 missiles

30 mobile vehicles of radar guided Shilka 4 barrel anti-aircraft cannon

Hundreds of computerized electro-optically guided Type 90 twin barrel anti-aircraft cannon built to shööt down cruise missiles .

Does your blind bat radar-less Hawk jet use witchcraft for finding far away distant targets?

You think war is a video game where the enemy air force goes to sleep in their own jet fighters and leave the airspace over their army undefended, for your own air force to fly and have fun.

By the time your Hawk jet sees where those enemy ground based air defence syatems are located, it is within range to be shot down and will fall from the sky blöwn into pieces.

I don't blame you sha my brother ignoramus, South African air force has NOT flown one single air to ground attack jet fighter sortie in the past 20 years. NAF jets have flown 3,000 air to ground attack sorties in 6 months so we will be lecturing your ZERO EXPERIENCED SAAF air force chief of staff on how to use guided missiles from air to ground plus the art if bombing defended targets.

SAAF is so inactive that they have become a plastic air force that majors on V.I.P travel and transportation for politicians.

South Africa ranks below Kenya today in current pilots combat experience, let's not compare SAAF to NAF, it will be an over-kill in favor of Nigeria......Kenya Vs South Africa is more realistic my brother
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Patchesagain:
Who is Elon Musk?

He is NOT a South African
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Patchesagain:
The goalpost shifting continues.

As usual, you said something st.upid... got corrected and proceed to shift the confines of the argument

Usual excuse when you are bëaten blue black in an intelligent debate

Better turn on your TV set now and join millions of happy South Africans happily watching Nigerian made Nollywood movies on cable Tv, before Eskom strikes your city again tonight, remember candles cannot power a Tv and South Africans cannot afford the price of generators and fuel. Yöu are all doomed in total darkness every night

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Patchesagain:
One South African created Paypal

So yeah exceeded you there.
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Nope , that's a lie ! Paypal was created by North Americans you glory thief ! I use Paypal and I know who created it you liar !
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jln115:
Actors= SA
Director=SA
written by=SA
Casting by=SA
Script by=SA
Camera Crew=SA
Makeup Crew=SA
Costume Designers=SA
CGI Crew=SA
Stunt Crew=SA
Vehicles used=SA
Post Production Crew=SA

Fact is it was made in South Africa by South Africans! The reason it was produced by the like of Peter Jackson speaks worlds about how good the movie was.

Please show me a Nigerian movie that's been good enough to be produced by someone only half as great as Peter Jackson...........You know what show me a Nigerian film that has Grossed more than $5million dollars.

American, Australian and New Zealander production companies and professionals were fully involved in District 9 movie productions, so it's a multi-national input project. Stop glory stealing, since South Africa is without much glory as a nation, learn to accept your destiny as it is, okay?

Nigerian movie industry does not usually sell via cinema halls , they make 99.9 % of their sales from DVDs to a 180 million Nigerian population and the 250 million population ECOWAS market, plus cable Tv subscription viewers market.

You think Nollywood uses same marketing strategy like Hollywood where people need to leave their homes and go queue on the streets to buy box office tickets to watch movies? No, you have zero knowledge of how Nollywood became the second biggest in the world, now beating American Nollywood to become third ranked under Nigeria. South Africa is NOT even in the top ten, all because your Boer white masters did not achieve that feat for you before they handed over South Africa to you guys, you are too dull and rëtarded to do achieve it by yourselves for ever
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Patchesagain:
What proof do you have of Rolands shooting down bombs?

You only have 16 Rolands to defend an army of 150 000 men.

last we checked SAAF was flying sorties until the end of the war and shooting down enemy Mig's... this is known as operating in a contested airspace.

Furthemore, Cubans lost over 60 aircraft we lost around 20... who won that air war hey?

Nigeria has never deployed in a contested airspace and is unable to do so today.

Stop dragging this forum back into old arguments already repeated and concluded over a dozen times with same result and conclusion.

You Southies naturally lack creativity and new ideas.

Reason why 50 million South Africans CANNOT create anything close to Nairaland forum, you lack such creative brain capacity
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Patchesagain:
We prefer quality over quantity

Nigeria beats South Africa in both aspects
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MikeCZAR:
200km range glide bomb with pop out wings.

Manoeuvrable in the glide phase.

Able to attack targets at angles up to 90 degrees and different directions.

Before you even know it your interceptors will be blowing up on the ground.

As you even lack the capability to detect a fighter aircraft 60km away.

And absolutely no early warning radar capability.

Your pilots will use to magic to know LEAD in fighter trainers with deadly guided bombs are coming?

NAF can't deploy in a contested airspace.

No need for radar to see the Hawk jet 120 km away, the radar sees the incoming guided bomb and Roland missiles will shoo.t down every snail slow speed guided bomb.

Guided bombs are only effective against an enemy that has no air defense systems.

Roland wasted British air force bombs in Falkland war.

Last time I checked up Angolan war records, SAAF ran away from contested air space when Cuba showed up with MiG-23 jets
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patches689:
If its secret how come you know about it?

No official air force public information released by Nigeria, that means it's a secret.

It got leaked out, does not change the fact of official secrecy.

NAF has guided missile armed drones, it was a secret purchase NEVER ANNOUNCED OR ADMITTED TILL TODAY, yet those drones are firing guided missiles on Boko Haram in battle. Official secret, leaked out when one of the drones crashed in the desert.

Seems English grammar and comprehension is a problem your Southie education failed to address
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patches689:
So the goalpost shifting continues

you said created and filmed in south africa. District 9 is just that.

Nollywood is 100% Nigerian, show us what is 100% South African. Simple.

Okay, you accept that Nigeria is far far superior to South Africa....cool....eat the humble pie
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FighterPilot:
So, do you want us to call ours Sollywood? Nah, we are not copy cats.

By the way Bollywood comes before Nollywood.

Number two ranking in the whole world is a big achievement for Nigeria.

What is South Africa's global ranking in movie industry? Tell us
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FighterPilot:
yes it does.

Glory thief
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