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andrewza:
You mean fly out to get shot down? Those radars would all so be the first targets in any air war.

In war, everybody is a target including you.

Is it all targets that get destroyed in war, every man and equipment eventually gets destroyed, nothing survives, you use nuclear bomb?
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andrewza:
. 1 GDF got 3 kills and knocked out 1 .

Show me source for GDF kills in Falkland war....details of jets shot down
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andrewza:
How do you know it was fired at only 3 targets. The harrier lost was solo and on a recce.

Harrier on recce? Armed with bombs and attacking an airport. What is recce ? You don't really know.

I don't care, the Harrier attacked and the Roland destroyed it. RAF never came bask with jet fighters to that same airport .....fear of Roland....go ask your British masters in London air force base
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MikeCZAR:
You mean civilian radars?

Which Cessna pilots can evade by flying low?

Same Thales radar South Africa uses for 500 km range, except that Nigeria's version is year 2010 and more modern.

Cessna is a harmless toy propeller plane, it has no weapons.

Try fly low altitude in your Cessna through a THALES RSM 970.....on your way coming at low level evasion tactics (an evasion that will not work) , Nigerian army SA-7, Shilka, and Type 90 AAA will use y.ou for target practice....even Boko Haram will roast your Cessna propeller toy.

Ordinary Browing 50 cal machine gun on a Toyota will consume your Cessna in a war zone. Fool

You think war is a video game? Y.ou will just die young !
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MikeCZAR:
The SAAF Cauctus SAM used your flattened head as radar?

Come cave dweller don't shy into your dark hole let's dance

Sure, we are dancing below....Andrewza tried to rescue you and I will make him share your humble pie as I force-feed you both

andrewza:
vehicle is a Thomson-CSF pulse Doppler radar

http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/weapons/70/cactus-crotale-sam

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crotale_(missile)
In March 1988, Cuban intelligence operatives evaluated the system as deployed by the South African Defence Force during the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale. They claimed it was ineffective against attack profiles of the MiG-21 and MiG-23 operated by the Angolan Air Force, criticising the design as "shoddy", "outdated", and "useless".[8]

Thank you for proving that Cuba captured South African air defence missile syatem and called it useless

It's Crotale or Cactus SAM used by SADF nad it is useless, well Nigeris does NOT use Cactus SAM....we use Roland. Sorry about y.our bad luck.

The Cactus in SADF was Thompson CFS radar ordered in 1964 ancient times....useless.

The Roland uses Siemens-Thompson CFS D and J radars of 1978.....not 1964 Thompson, notice the Siemens name and the D & J variant codes on the Roland radar.

You see why I call you a navy cook? You cannot even differentiate between old and modern radar versions that are 14 years different in tech.
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FighterPilot:
So how will that help you?

Means from 500 km range away, NAF will detect all Gripen and Hawk jets with our Thales RSM 970 S Monopulse Mode S Secondary Radars, then F-7 jets and Alpha jets will be intercepting SAAF at 200 km away even before you can dream of dropping any Umbani bomb.

I have told you guys that fighting a country like Nigeria that has 60 jet fighters, is different from fighting Lesotho and Swaziland.

You won't even get a chance to face Nigerian army Roland.....NAF will meet your jets air to air before you approach Nigerian air space, our new THALES Radars will be seeing the inside of your own air space as soon as your jets take off from ground.

What do you think Nigeria is? Burundi republic?
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Patchesagain:
2. You will be sleeping since you have no air-defence radar to detect us.

Nigeria has ground based NAF radars with 500 km range.

I posted that few months ago from SIPRI....same time I posted SANDF radars that I proved were purchased in the 1980s era of old.

We both have fixed land based radars to cover battle space. What do you think Nigerian TRACON means ?

Nigeria has many long range ground radars including the recent acquisition of 5 units of brand new year 2010 purchased ultra-modern British Thales RSM 970 S Monopulse Mode S Secondary Radars with 500 km target detection range that are move-able by trucks to an FOB forward air base.

You think only South Africa has things? Olodo
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MikeCZAR:
Your grandpa Roland 2 has two radars.

The target acquisition or search radar: The Thompson-CSF D-band pulse doppler radar.

And the tracking or fire control radar control: Thompson-CSF J-band monopulse doppler radar.

The latter can only track one target and two missiles. SAAF retired them eons ago.

Come jungle dweller let's dance

Citation and web-link sources NEEDED please post it...Show us SANDF source that they have Roland radar Mumu....Fraudster
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FighterPilot:
The gripen radar can even count cars on the road. It will definitely see Roland from 120km away.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS-05/A

Error 1...

Gripen radar in ground operation mode for scan is 75 km and tracking is about 50 km.

Error 2....

Gripen radar will detect ALL vehicles on the 50 km road or space and will NEVER differentiate a Roland from other vehicles, radars show you dots and beep, ONLY a Tv camera can show you the what is a car or a bus.

I think we should leave this Roland issue alone before you Southies commit s.uicide today o !
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Patchesagain:
All it says is 8 missiles were fired.

only 3 hit.

37% hit rate.

These are the facts.

Pretend Mercenary.

History says one Harrier jet was in the air and dropped two bombs.

SANDF fights NO WAR, so you guys don't know how real war is fought. The Roland operator was well trained, jet in the air and two bombs, if you fire 3 missiles and the pilot deploys chaff and flares, it can waste all 3 missiles. the Roland man fired 8 missiles to guarantee victory over any false targets released as ECM or chaff by the enemy jet pilot.

South Africa has NOTHING like a Roland system so you will never know standard air defence tactics unless Nigerians teach you.

Roland fired 8 missiles and destroyed ALL TARGETS AVAILABLE IN THE AIR.....100% kill rate....perfect
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Patchesagain:
First, your ATR-42 does not have 330km radar. As has been shown before.

Second, yes its called the Gripen. NATO's favorit recon platform.

Third, Umbani can be preprogrammed to hit GPS co-ords.

How does a Gripen identify a Roland when there are other tracked vehicles, T-72, MT-LB, Scorpion, Shilka AAA....at 6 km above sea level, your pilot sees nothing on ground due to distance and cloud cover....at 40 km stand-off range radar is picking all vehicles that look like tanks from city to city over a long distance....confusion....cannot identify a Roland among the whole lot.....GPS is useless, the Roland is a vehcile and is mobile....can change position randomly.....laser designator is useless because your soldier cannot enter Nigerian base or territory as infantry will slaughter h.im.

You see why air to ground attack jet pilots are forced to take risk and enter range of enemy air defences, NAF faced that challenge against Boko Haram....only ATR-42 Surveyor was able to solve most problems of target identification and yet it had to fly within SAM range, but only AAA was a threat.

I am just education you South Africans about how difficult air to ground attack war can be, and how useless very long range weapons can be in a war....100 km range bomb looking for target in a distant city....waste of time when you face an enemy like Nigeria.

PHOTO : NAF ATR-42 SURVEYOR ELINT...DOING GROUND SURVEY TARGET IDENTIFICATION FOR NIGERIAN FORCES IN WAR THEATRE
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andrewza:
It fired 8 missiles no mention of number of targets.

3 targets were shot down means 3 targets were in the air, you need the historian to explain to that to you ?

Navy cook
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Patchesagain:
How old are you?

Why do you get so emotional?

It's you Southies who are obsessed with Naija Roland, all of you cannot sleep safe at night...you have nightmares for Roland's sake
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Patchesagain:
You are right.

They dont have radar.

But they have link-ZA to feed them targetting data.

Umbani can be pre-programmed with targets and be launched independantly of targetting data.

Link-ZA is not a radar it's datalink, where does it get information ? Do you have anything like Nigerian ATR-42 ELINT Surveyor with 330 km radar range to search the ground ?
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MikeCZAR:
So?

Glide bombs like the Al tariq/Umbani and Spice 250 systems offer fully autonomous capabilities.

Planners can pre-load mission or target specific information like images, attack angle, direction into prior to leaving the ground. The target position or information can be updated during flight using a data link.

Meaning it can change direction and target angles.

It is released outside surface to air defended and radar covered areas. Released like 100km away.

Once in the terminal phase it can compare its live seeker images to what was loaded.

If say they know a certain radar with an altitude of 4500km is stationed along its way it can bypass that. Or glide a high altitude.

If that radar is the target it can drop straight above it, outside its coverage and destroy it.

Is that the answer to my question? Are you siick ?

You said South Africa had the same radar as Roland some time ago, I said post the proof with a source, instead you are telling stories again, same old stories you have been repeating like a defeated retaard.

Show us proof of your claim that SANDF had the same Roland radar ...show us weblink sources now !
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FighterPilot:
That does not change the fact that Roland is an old horse. Poverty has caused you to hold on to it for longer than you should. Gripen will kill that thing without any difficulty.

It will first start to attack it electronically to disengage its radar signal by sending false information. The gunner will now be trouble as he will now be forced to track gripen manually. That's where the trouble will start?

Send that your message to :

Iranian air force

British Royal air force

They are waiting to mock your foolish ideas, based on their bitter experience in the jaws and claws of Roland
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Patchesagain:
Are you still bragging about providing a citation to back your claims?

Well done, for the first time you met the standards that South African posters follow.

Only confirmed kills are one harrier and one A-10

This stands until you provide proof otherwise.

Why are you unable to debate without throwing insults? Does this forum make you that emotional?

You want to talk fraud? Shall i post the list of your lies again?

Go back to page 2099 of yesterday, everybody saw that post that wrecked Patrick Of Gauteng beyond repair.

The list of Roland's jet aircraft victims is there, and Gripen/Hawk jets will join the list if you dare Nigeria.

Crime does not pay, avoid manipulating the truth on this forum, because you don't know the length I can go to prove you are a fraud
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mzilakazi:
Meanwhile. The hawks jet detect the position of your SAMs system at night.

It discharge umbani from far distance. How will you stop it?

Fail !!!

Hawk jets have NO radar to detect ground targets.

You fail
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Patchesagain:
Ok, so you have shown that the Roland can shoot down bombs. I was wrong. Unlike you, I am a man and I can freely admit that.

Now we can continue the argument:

Its hit ratio is 3/8

Thats a 37% hit rate.

You only have 16 Rolands of the Roland 2 category (not the shelter based launcher with the 10 second reload)

So that means that before it has to be manually reloaded each Roland can fire only 2 missiles.

16 times 2 is 32 - you can fire 32 missiles before you have to stop to reload.

37% of 32 is 11.

You will likely only hit 11 targets in one attack. South Africa has 50 PGM's imported from the US and unknown quantities of glide bombs.

Each Gripen can carry 5 PGM's and each Hawk can carry 5 PGM's.

This means that an attack by 3 Gripen and 3 Hawks will overwhelm your air-defences.

This means that in a single-strike with just 6 Aircraft we can destroy all of your Rolands and leave you completely naked.

"Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics"

Your Rolands cannot shoot down South African jets flying at 6km.

Finally, who says they are even operational? You purchased them in the 1980's and have bought no new missiles... Iraq purchased theirs at the same time and their missiles expired in 2003.

Finally, your central claim is that you are a military researcher - its what gives your claims substance. Now, you have to prove you are - because, if you are not a military researcher then your post is nothing but opinion

I need only 2 points to demolish your garbage post above :

1. Nigerian Roland missiles are still active, displayed as missiles in service during public parade in 2013 Nigerian army days celebration, photos were posted here many times. NA has 300 Roland missiles combat ready today.

2. You cannot be flying Gripen jets and Hawk jets into Nigerian airspace and assume that Nigerian air force will be sleeping at home, not only you have an air force to use on an enemy's ground army, the enemy air force too will fly and challenge you air to air.

F-7 jets = 11 units
Alpha jets....both French upgrade of 2013 and American upgrade of 2015 = 20 units
MBB 339 jets = 12 units
L-39 jets = 18 units

NAF will meet SAAF air to air with Nigeria's 60 jet fighters, we have a very active air force today, battle-tested fearless pilots !
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Patchesagain:
Can we please see citations for air kills?

Your are not even ashamed to ask me that question, you that went to Wikipedia to delete Roland war history of shooting down bombs, untill Nigerians disgraced you here publicly.....anointed fraudster.....shame on you.

Go to google and find a list of Roland kills recorded, I won't repeat it for you, I posted it here yesterday along with y.our 'Obituary' .....remember that post the d.emolished you beyond repair yesterday ? The answer to your question is there....fraudster
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MikeCZAR:
Can't detect a thing above 4500m.

SAAF retired them eons ago.

Roland altitude is 5,500 m.....at that altitude, the enemy jet pilot is blind and CANNOT identify any target on ground with certainty. That is why the war experienced France and Germany that designed Roland set that altitude limit for the radar, those European world powers are smarter people than your 50 million South African dullards.

Show us proof that South Africa had Roland radars....show us proof
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MikeCZAR:
Only shot down Sub-Sonic fighters.

Precision strikes can take out systems like the Roland SAM.

Unfortunately South African military has NOTHING that can take out a Nigerian Roland.

I proved that ALL your expensive guided bombs will be sh.ot down easily.

Roland only for Sub-sonic fighters?

You just proved that ALL you are saying about Roland is total rubbish comments based on fear, envy, and humiliation.

Roland shot down many supersonic speed jets :

F-5E Tiger

F-4E Phantom

GR-1 Tornado with 2,400 km/hr supersonic speed limit and 1,500 km/hr supersonic speed in attack mode at medium and low level.

Nigerian Roland missile is the king of air defence in all Sub-Saharan Africa today
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Msauza:
[size=13]ROLAND SAM is blind at night. It is easy to defeat it. You jam it and the only option left will be to operate it manually and at night it cannot be manually operated at all.

BOOOOOOMmmm!!! there comes Gripens and even Rooivalk will take it out at ease since nobody will see it at night.

ROLAND SAM is the weakest SAM on market in 2015.[/size]

[size=16pt]Roland 2 version is all weather day and night.....radar works both day and night, a radar is not a daytime only equipment, you are mistaken a sole optical eye sight for a radar system.

Unlucky South African...Roland will kill everything existing in South African air force, day or night.

LOL....these Southies are terrorized by Nigerian Roland o ! Fear catch them

See Nigerian Mr. Roland posing with confidence to shatter South Africa.....
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andrewza:
The British flew how many attacks over the island. Of alll those flights it fired 8 times and missed 5 times. And they where going up against subsonic aircraft many with out dated counter measures. The best AA in that war where the GDF 35mm guns with far more kills.

Envy is your problem.

Roland fired it's 8 missiles against 3 targets and sh.ot down all 3 targets at the same time.....world class performance.

See why I call you navy chef/cook ? You don't know how real war is fought, your SANDF has almost ZERO war experience in 20 years....no air defence missile commander will fire 3 missiles at 3 targets, he will fire at least double.....reason is the enemy jet pilot can use ECM or chaff and flares to defeat the first salvo of missiles, but the second salvo will score a hit. That is what a Roland operator is trained to do.....nobody in SANDF knows that because your country has NOTHING in the class of Roland today, South Africa has NO ground based radar guided air defence missile systems....Nigeria is your master today.

You are back as a navy cook to say anti-aircraft guns are better than anti-aircraft missiles.

So envious of Nigerian Roland you now say SANDF GDF gun is better in that war, show us where GDF gun, one GDF gun alone shot down a jet and 2 bombs at the same time....show us....

Envy is k.illing the navy cook of South Africa, let me rub my Roland photo in your ugly face again this early morning....
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MikeCZAR:
Yes, it rotates 360 degrees at 60rpm.

The waves have a cone angle like coverage since it was designed to deal with low flying and slow aircraft its coverage is limited in range and altitude.

It can't detect a bomb flying above 4500m and able to attack it a trajectory 90 degrees.

Go ask all the Iranian jets, British jets, and American jets that were easily sh.ot down by Roland missile.

Are you more skillful and intelligent that all those professional NATO jet fighter pilots that were sh.ot down by Roland ?

Show us your own air force pilot credentials please....prove to us your are smarter than the American/British professionals, show us...
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MikeCZAR:
Yes, it rotates 360 degrees at 60rpm.

The waves have a cone angle like coverage since it was designed to deal with low flying and slow aircraft its coverage is limited in range and altitude.

It can't detect a bomb flying above 4500m and able to attack it a trajectory 90 degrees.

TECHNICAL SOURCE & CITATION NEEDED FOR THE IMAGINARY LIMITATIONS OF ROLAND RADAR AS SAID BY....YOU....

....maybe you have a Roland radar inside your house and you have personally tested it.
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MikeCZAR:
90 degrees outside the radar coverage.

If a glide bomb dropped at an attack angle of 90 degrees from an altitude of 6000m above your systems it will be blown up.

Its radar which SAAF had and retired years ago, has an altitude limit of 4500m.

And can only track one target at a time.

Your Roland was designed to handle low flying and speed aircraft.

The world class and highly experienced British Royal air force FAILED to succeed with all tricks on the Roland at Stanley air base, angle 90 degrees did not save the Harrier jets, Roland sh.ot them down, from any angle the enemy came, the Roland is a 360 degree radar, it's not a one way radar inside the nose cone of a jet, it's an external rotating 360 degree circular radar you dummy

The British invented radar on this planet and they know about radar 1,000 times more than your tiny Soweto peanut b.rain can imagine, you just come here to cook up hallucinations about beating a radar that has beaten the British masters of radar....Mumu

One single Roland all alone sh.ot down two bombs and one jet fighter ALL at the same time, then you say it was only tracking one target at a time? That lone Roland just finished off 3 targets all at the same time. Dundee you are !

South Africa has NO solution to Nigerian Roland missiles.

You CANNOT enter Nigerian airspace side of the battle line and fly at 90 degrees above the head of Nigerian ground forces, NAF F-7 jets will be engaging your jets in air to air war before you go that far....you think only you have an air force? Fool
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[size=16pt]Fellow Nigerians, may name is Augustine, my nickname is agaugust....because I am a stammerer and in school I stammer when I want to pronounce my name Aug...ag..gus..ga gust.... That is how I got the school nick name Agaugust.

On this nairaland forum, I want to assure you all that South African military is ZERO threat to Nigerian military.

Never mind all the photos of SANDF and DENEL products posted on this thread/forum, all those toys have been taken care of by Nigerian military arsenal as the second most powerful military in Africa only next to Egypt.

Now, there has been a long argument on this thread/forum since two years ago in year 2013 till today 2015 :

I insist that Britain Vs Argentina Falkland war history records confirms and proves that one vehicle of Roland missiles sh.ot down two bombs dropped by British Royal air force jet fighter and the aircraft itself as it attacked Argentina's air base.

So, I insist that Nigerian army Roland missile systems, 300 missiles on 16 mobile vehicle launchers, will shoot down ALL Paveway and Umbani guided bombs of South African Gripen jets and Hawk jets, and also shoot down the jets themselves if they attempt what the British did.

I am a military researcher, and I work in defence industry, if I know what can happen in real combat/war/battle, I will say it and insist on it based on scientific evidence, historical evidence, technical evidence, and evidence from real military men I work with.

In 2014, Patches the South African fraudster deleted the source from Wikipedia in 2014 to confuse the world about what the Nigerian Roland can do to South African military. However, I restored it back and the whole of this forum knew that 50 million South Africans = 50 million fraudsters.

Today, the argument has surfaced again, South Africans say my source is only Wikipedia and not acceptable, I insist that the Wikipedia source is with citation from Janes Defence publication respected worldwide.

As a military researcher, I can tell you that only a born fool from his mother's womb will claim and continue to claim that a high speed missile cannot sh.oot down a slow speed bomb in combat.

I don't need any source to prove me right, I know what I know. However, for the sake of the innocent public whom these fraudulent and retaarded South Africans always try to deceive everyday with lies and deliberate misinformation about real life war, I have decided to post the original pages of the Janes Defence publications that prove : [/size]



[size=25pt] Roland Missile Shot Down Bombs in Falkland war !

Janes Defence Report Published below.

Final Proof !

Nigerian Missiles Will Defeat Every Weapon In South African Air Force .

Case Closed.

https://planesandstuff.files./2014/05/janes-artillery-air-defence.pdf

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Patchesagain:
How?

Roland saw extensive combat in the Falklands and in Iraq

It never shot down any bombs

Infact, with the millions of tonnes of bombs dropped since ww2... why is there no one single example of one being shot down?

CRAM was invented specifically to shoot down bombs, it is a brand new technology, and you dont have it

CRAM was invented majorly to shoot d.own MISSILES more than ordinary bombs, the big threat is guided missiles NOT bombs.

The world was not shooting down all bombs since world war II 1939 because there was no surface to air missile system like Roland until about 1980..... a fool like you think Roland existed in 1939 World War II when nobody had any SAM missiles in this world....fool.

Only a few countries have Roland, and Argentina is the first country with Roland that face a challenge at an airbase defended by Roland, they use it to shoot down British air force jets and bombs.

Iraq was face by many world power nation s launching thousands of thousands of cruise missiles and guided air to surface missiles that are enough to overwhelm even Russia.

South Africa does NOT even have one single cruise missile or guided air to surface missile to threaten Nigeria.

Roland at speed 2,000 km/hr will shoot down a 150 km/hr Umbani bomb.

By the way, how will SANDF walk into Nigerian army base and hand place laser designators for your Umbani inside Nigerian army camp ?

Fools of Soweto, you think guided bombs are witches and wizards that have 3rd eye ?

Anyway, Roland according to janes defence, shot down British bombs in Falkland war
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saengine:
"Your whole argument is d.estroyed by the fact that the speed of 550 mph, 650 mph, or 773 mph, all over 1,000 km/hr, is achieved by dropping that bomb inside a perfect vacuum where no air exists, so you have to suck out all the air on planet earth to achieve your 1,000 km/hr speed according to your own source evidence :"

Nope, all those speeds were from @Patches, and I NEVER agreed with that his source because it was posting imaginary data and NOT a real life test in the air or atmosphere.

All the 3 different speeds, 550 mph, 650 mph, 773 mph are all from @Patches' weblink source and I said whatever speed you claim, it is from a vacuum because NO EXPERIMENT was EVER DONE in real life air above the earth.....it's all a paper experiment.

The foolish source was just speculations and imaginations of bomb speed done on a piece of paper, NOBODY has done real life speed test.

I still insist bomb speed is about 150 km/hr, close to the 200 km/hr you quoted for a skydiver and that was a real life air above earth experiment NOT paper and pen imagination of a vacuum experiment where no life or air can exist.

Now, you show us the manufacturers' data specifications for the speed of Umbani and Paveway guided bombs, that is the trap I have set for you and all of you are imprisoned inside my trap....helpless and clueless forver !

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saengine:
Your brain has exploded. You are clueless. You are a security guard that has never touched a calculator in his life. In air, objects fall at different speeds based on drag. I asked you, how can a skydiver fall at 200km/h, faster than Umbani, which you claim falls at 150km/h?

You have completely hung yourself. You say no manufacturers releases the speed of guided bombs, THEN HOW DID YOU KNOW UMBANI FALLS AT 150km/h? You hacked into secret Denel files? They sent you a personal email? You have been exposed, you security guard fraud!


And NO, they DID NOT do a complex experiment in a vacuum to determine the speed of 773 mph. How do you make a 20 000 foot vacuum? It's a basic basic CALCULATION you learn in grade 8. But we can't blame you, you don't learn such from under a tree. CALCULATION is the same way they find a RANGE of 550 - 650 mph depending on drag coefficient when falling in air. Even the lowest value of 550 mph is much higher than your fake 150 km/h. Exposed fraud.

Patchesagain:
So you are literally unable to read simple english sentances?

I asked you, how can a skydiver with a higher drag coefficient than a streamlined bomb fall at a terminal velocity of 200km/h?

This guy is just trolling now.

That is what scientists call experiment without a laboratory, a mathematical hypothesis, needs no laboratory, a paper calculated 'experiment'.

It's the same thing you are trapped with on your paper and pen calculations that you posted as a photo. It's for a vacuum.

The source clearly says his chart is for free fall bomb speed INSIDE a perfect vacuum....

"The chart shows that the vertical velocity of a bomb dropped from 20,000ft in a vacuum would be the tremendous value of 773 m.p.h. (This figure applies to any piece of matter ; even a feather released at this height in a perfect vacuum would hit the ground at 773 m.p.h or about 1,200 km/hr."

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%202755.html

Nobody can ever calculate the real speed of a guided bomb in combat, every drop will be determined by :

1. Different horizontal wind resistance
2. Different aircraft
3. Different vertical air resistance
4. Different bomb weight
5. Different air density
6. Different bomb shape and added external kit
7. Different sideways wind resistance
8. Different bomb size
9. Different target mobility
10. Different bomb movements and directional guidance correction



That is the reason why you guys have searched internet tired today and you cannot find any military source for the speed of a dropped bomb.

Also, that is why NO MANUFACTURER in this world has ever quoted combat speed for it's guided bomb.

Show us the manufacturers' data specs sheet for the speed of Paveway and Umbani guided bombs? I dare you all


Your problem is that you think you are smarter than all military analysts and bomb manufacturers of this world, you want to become an Albert Einstein by proving the speed of a guided bomb, something that intelligent people of this world have carefully avoided for decades.

Fool

Now to your question I quote below :

"I asked you, how can a skydiver fall at 200km/h, faster than Umbani, which you claim falls at 150km/h?."

Simple, the Skydiver is smaller in size than the Umbani bomb, he is about half the size of the bomb and therefore less air resistance on him.

Also, he has no wings and the wings of a guided Umbani creates more surfaces for air to push back against and slow down the bomb.

Next, the skydiver falls free downwards, but the Umbani at 40 km away from target is also using it's little battery energy to glide forward over the distance of a whole city to city transit !

First, every single time seconds your bomb travels, it faces more exposure to air resistance horizontally pushing it backwards in a straight line.

Second, more wind resistance pushing it sideways off course and forcing it to re-correct and re-direct flight path via the guidance system to avoid going off course and missing target because it is a precision weapon and that causes up-down oscillation movement common to guided bombs.

Third, another air resistance is pushing upwards against the bomb vertically while the bomb falls down in altitude.....3 different air resistances backwards, sideways and upwards all against the guided bomb because of it's horizontal travel long distance range of many kilometers !

The skydiver man does not travel 40 km from city to city, or does he? No, he has far less struggle against air resistance, he will land on ground with more speed than your guided bomb, if he makes 200 km/hr....your bomb will make about 150 km/hr.

Let me tell you reality to save you guys from trapping and drowning yourselves into repeated delusions and hallucinations :

A bomb is slower than a missile, fact that needs no argument, all eyes see that.

A bomb has NO rocket combustion system to power it like a missile, so bombs will forever be slower than missile.

The speed of an AGM-65 Maverick missile is about 1,000 km/hr....a missile

Patches says the speed of Umbani bomb will be about 1,000 km/hr....a bomb

How does a free fall bomb and a rocket fuel powered missile move at the same speed ? Mission impossible.

That is the simple practical life proof that shows you that your assumption of a 1,000 km/hr speed bomb is very wrong, the world has NEVER built or seen such a thing !

Manufacturers publish the speed of their missiles BUT none ever published the speed of their manufactured guided bombs !

Guided bombs will speed up to about 150 km/hr.....reality of life, all bombs will be shot down by Roland missile with easy ease.

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