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jln115:
Rooivalk obsolete? Jap thats why the UN decided to us our obsolete Rooivalk ahead of the MI 35.

You come again with fresh lies early this morning.

UN deployed both Rooivalk and Mi-35 Hinds into same combat same time same operation, both performed same job well.

Dude, stop posting fantasies of lies on this forum, are me.ntally retaaarded or just fraudulent and shameless....or both ?

jln115:
Dude you are a fvcking m0r0n! My source is also from defenceweb! I said the SANDF owns 266 tanks, I didnt say they are all in service.

Your source is a fvcking encyclopaedia that claims Olifant Mk 1B alone is 224 units then add Mk 1A and Mk 2.....you claimed 266 units of tanks.

If I didn't burst your bubble, you wanted to fool everybody here with big lies. Thief !
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NNS Ogoja, veteran of Biafra war battle of Bonny.

frumentius:
I'm quite aware of the abysmal Chinese copy of the Russian Smerch. Seeing that the Chinese PLA didn't want it because of its inaccuracy and other problems, I didn't think any other country would buy it.
Good heavens, Google tells me the Tanzos are the only operator!

Be that as it may, Augustine seemed to dismiss the Denel T5-52 155mm artillery system and I'm interested as to his reasoning.

In war, it's hard to fire artillery on targets 73 km away in a far away city, except you want to kill innocent civilians and incur the wrath of United Nations.

Real life war is NOT a video game. How do you do fire correction, can you see 73 km inside your enemy's territory? How do you even tie down the enemy constantly to same spot 73 km away, is the opposing army a foolish sitting duck ?

That's why the whole world is not rushing to buy artillery systems beyond 30 km range.

A photo thread this is, I don't wanna talk much bros.

patches689:
Ok, post it then.

Its strange that you show such reluctance... Its like you somehow rembered that i dont ask questions i dont know the answer to

Its like... Maybe you know its a trap

Come, post it.

Kneel down and beg me, say "My Nigerian boss, please educate me about South African Gripen jet's ground search radar range".....then I will surely post the information with sources for you....oya now make we go....do ya part naa....beg...
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patches689:
We nevet said we had that many
We said that many were produced

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Is the capability of an army judged by production numbers or the numbers in service?

What is I start counting Nigerian Alpha jets as 24 units and F-7 at 15 units just because we had that much acquired initially?

Everybody knows what this forum stands for....equipment currently in service.

You Southies were fraudulent with inflated claims of Olifant tank numbers until I used defenceweb 2013 SANDF ORBAT to burst your bubble.

You are a fvcking liar, SANDF does not have 266 Olifant tanks....you thief , barawo banza
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Henry120:
Qatar has confirmed they would sign up for 24 Rafale fighter jets, in a deal worth 3.6 billion Euros.

After a slow start, Rafale's Grim fortunes seem to have dramatically turned, with an order for 24 Jets from Egypt (most likely paid for by both Saudi-Arabia and Qatar), 36 jets for India, and 24 for Qatar.

However, for such a hefty price tag, i'm left wondering what actually this jets does.

What can this jet do that it requires €150 million a pop for a darn single unit.

The F/A18 Super Hornet costs $60 million a unit and is better than the Rafale.

The SU-30sm/SU-35 also costs $60 million per unit, and is also better than the Rafale.

So what sorcery does the Rafale perform that makes it cost almost 3 times the F/A-18 Super hornet/ Su-30sm/35?

Same question I keep asking myself
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patches689:
why are you so reluctant to post it?....

....because you are not even ashamed to beg a Nigerian to help you find your own South African air force Gripen jets ground radar range, you want a Nigerian to do free professional research for you, but you say he is not a researcher, you are have no shame ?
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MikeCZAR:
what can Nigeria do with 58 T-72s if you had them in conversional war ?

58 T-72 M1 tanks from Czech

100 + T-72 AV from Ukraine

136 Vickers tanks

100 + T-55 tanks

16 AMX-30 tanks

Nigeria has over 300 tanks dude. SANDF has only 200.....your army has serious shortage of tanks. What will 200 tanks do for your land size ?
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patches689:
Passive armor = composite

Stand-off armor = reactive


All Olfiant Mk1B have Composite and Reactive armor.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/olifant/


177 Mk1B were produced - with composit and reactive armor
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/South_Africa/Olifant_MkI.php


These are simple facts. I am not debating with you on this topic because there is no debate.

Okay, Mr. Tanks Expert, you have accepted my correction, RHA is NOT Composite armour. I love your surrender

That encyclopaedia says Olifant Mk 1 B tanks have only RHA armour = ZERO composite armour !

44 units of Olifant tanks have composite armour....ONLY 44 units of Mk 1 B and Mk 2 mixed together.

"Olifant Mk.1B (Elephant) is upgraded variant of Olifant Mk.1A tank.. It entered service with South African National Defense Forces in 1991. About 44 vehicles were upgraded to the Mk.1B standard ."

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/olifant_mk1b.htm


CASE CLOSED

patches689:
The SANDF cut down the number of tanks it has.

Why were you South Africans telling lies for the past 3 days claiming you have up to 266 units of Olifant tanks ?

If I did not probe further and quote 203 from defenceweb, you were inflating SANDF Olifant tanks from 203 to 266 and cutting down Nigerian T-72 tanks to 4 units !

See why I say South Africans are among the most fraudulent people on earth ?
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MikeCZAR:
Rooivalk Mk2! Coming to a battlefield near you soon.

Your source does NOT say anything like that. Says by 2017-2018 Denel will decide is to restart production of the same old Rooivalk now obsolescent and surely obsolete by 2020

Still need to beg France for spare parts and Engines also

90 % French content Rooivalk helicopter
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MikeCZAR:
I doubt any sub-saharan country can afford it.

Affording rocket assisted Denel artillery is not the issue...Does anybody need it? Tanzania has 100 km range mobile rocket artillery. Denel 73 km range is far less. Tanzania afforded to pay for a 100 km range artillery.....but what target are you going to war to hit 100 km away ? Is distance always that far in real life war? A whole city battle space may be just 20 km wide from city east to west.

jl115again:
I will say it again!! We received 44 tanks in 1991, it was the first batch we received, Production carried n throughout the 90s.


Secondly the SANDF owns 266 Tanks P.S it doesnt mean we have all 266 in service, some are obviously in storage:
"The SA Army currently owns up to 266 of the tanks in five variants: the Mk2, Mk1B and Mk1A MBT in addition to about 16 armoured recovery vehicles (ARV) and two armoured bridgelayers (ABL)."
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18165

Nobody believes you again on this forum, even your country South African Defenceweb magazine report is now mocking you...it says SANDF has only 203 Olifant tanks today...NOT your 266....guy, you have crossed the line....go bury your head in shame....crime does not pay



South African National Defence Force

Index

1. Order of battle

South African Army:

Armour

177 Olifant 1A/B (Of which 133 in storage) and 26 Olifant Mk 2 (for training)

Written by defenceWeb, Friday, 01 February 2013
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jl115again:
What ever dude!! Your own source states you are receiving less than 16!

patches689:
Fact is Nigeria is only getting 56 T-72s

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patches689:
All Olfiant Mk1B have Composite and Reactive armor.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/olifant/


Our weblink says that the armor is SPACED RHA and that no data as to its composition is available - while armytechnology species that it is both composit and reactive

This is the 9th time i have posted the citation.

I will not debate with you when the facts are so clear.

You claim that tanks are your specialization, but I proved you dont even know the meaning of RHA armour, you called it Composite....I had to educate you as usual....Olodo

You say "Our Weblink" ?

So an internet encyclopaedia that says it has NO DATA is yours, while you deny South African Defenceweb maganize and called it " Your Own" meaning defenceweb is now a Nigerian source....

Patches, this is a very bad day for South Africa o ! Serious beating early morning into afternoon....you cannot even spell T-72 again...you call it T-70....so so beating up of South Africa today....ah ! Nigeria dey wicked !

I already clarified that SANDF has ONLY 44 units of Olifants with composite armour NOT some damn inflated fraudulent figure of 170 or 220 units you guys want to deceive us with....frauds

"The Olifant Mk.1B (Elephant) is an upgraded variant of the Olifant Mk.1A tank. The Mk.1B was developed as an interim solution. It entered service with South African National Defense Forces in 1991.
About 44 vehicles were upgraded to the Mk.1B standard."

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/olifant_mk1b.htm

SANDF has ONLY 44 tanks with composite armour ....PROVED !


RHA = RHA it's not same as composite armour with ceramics or plastics.

Spacing was done at to the bottom floor of the rank to protect from anti-tank land mines NOT composite armour dude !

"The glacis plate and nose of the hull have been upgraded with the addition of passive armour and the turret has been fitted with stand-off armour. The installation of a double-armour floor gives the crew additional protection against mines. The running gear is protected against HEAT missiles by new sideskirts."

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/olifant/

Your SANDF put extra layer of armour on the floor NOT the hull you fraud !

It's been fun busting you Southies' bubble on Olifant tanks since 3 days ago....Your SANDF has an obsolete tank force


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jl115again:
Nigeria bought less than 16 T72s FACT!!

Even your brother Patrick is laughing at you....

patches689:
you wanna post a citation to prove your claims, bro?

Btw, still waiting for Gripen ground search citation

Me, a Nigerian, should be posting the ground search radar range of South African Gripen jet for you? You should be ashamed to ask me to educate you about your own air force....did I ever ask you to post F-7NI jet radar ranges for me ? 50 million dullard South Africans need either the white man or a Nigerian to lead them
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patches689:
I was saying those things to force you to provide citations.

Now, you have shown citations for 56 T-72 from the Czech

Where is your citation for T-72 from Ukraine?

Stop asking me to repost old weblinks that we have repeated here many times, go consult the archives you dummy....wanna cry more delicious tears again my bro ?
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jl115again:
Nope you are receiving less than 16 T72s from the Czechs!

See why I said I hate looking for sources to prove anything to you? You just are not worth the effort....butt hurt whitey southie

Even your own country man Patches says you ARE WRONG !

patches689:
Fact is Nigeria is only getting 56 T-72s

patches689:
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By calling it "spaced" RHA they imply that it composit you illiterate buffoon

It is pathetic that you are unable to follow the sources in an argument.

SANDF has 177 MBT's with composit and reactive (stand-off) armor

FACT

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Bwahahaha

That your weblink is suicidal, it says ALL SANDF Olifant Mk 1 B tanks have ONLY the RHA armour.

RHA is Rolled Homogenous Armour....ordinary plain steel.

"Rolled homogeneous armour (RHA) is a type of steel which is used to armour vehicles. RHA was in common use as primary armour until after World War II, during which a new generation of anti-tank rounds using shaped charges instead of heavy high-velocity projectiles came into use. RHA was ineffective against these and fell out of use."

Same armour on Nigeria's 136 Vickers eagle tank.....so you mean Nigeria too has tanks with composite armour.....136 tanks ! OMG this is hilarious....

Even ancient T-55 tanks have RHA armour you foool

RHA = Rolled Homogenous Armour

ERA = Explosive Reactive Armour

Composite/Passive = Mixture of steel with ceramics or plastics sandwiched

You don't even know your own 'forte'....Patched the retaaard of Gauteng !

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patches689:
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Fact is Nigeria is only getting 56 T-70's and only some have reactive armor

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Seems I am hurting y.ou so much again today.....sweet to see you getting broken down to tears !

You are so hurt you wrote T-70 tank above....not tank called T-70....I hurt y.ou so bad that tears have blinded your eyes and you cannot see clearly to type on your laptop keyboard....your red eyes are now seeing double.....T-70 tanks.....you manufactured those in your bedroom ?

Okay, so after beating y.ou up for 2 days, you have finally agreed that Nigeria has 56 or 58 T-72 tanks....not the 3 or 12 units you were shouting before.....I remember that last year you said Nigeria has 0 T-72 tanks....few months ago you said we have none.....when will you ever stop telling lies Patrick the pirate ?

See, the 58 T-72 tanks in that weblink are the ones from Czech alone.....we bought ERA versions from Ukraine, their numbers are classified and SIPRI says their source is also classified but suspected to be Ukraine by SIPRI.

Now its 58 tanks from Czech by air, and more than double that number from Ukraine.

The Ukrainian T-72 for Nigeria were the first to be posted here, the factory manager in Ukraine was interviewed in the video and he said they are Nigerian T-72 tanks .....

You hate us....we Naijas ? Hate can k.ill a Southie even before we fire T-72 tanks on you....125 mm gun....na killer o !
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jl115again:
We received just under 50 MK1Bs in 1991, Production of the MK1B continued into the mid 90's.

44 units accurately, I am the lecturer here, I teach South Africans about their country's military equipment....44 units not just under 50, let me help you to know your army better....44 units of Olifant Mk 1 B....that's all SANDF upgraded
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patches689:
172 Mk1B
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/South_Africa/Olifant_MkI.php

But lets assume your source is correct

44+26 = ?

? = more tanks with composit and reactive armor than nigeria

Nope, of the 44 Olifant Mk 1 B, 26 were upgraded to MK 2.....not any extra 26 anywhere.

ALL the SANDF tanks with composite armour is 44 units.....a mix of Mk 1 B and Mk 2 combined.


"In September 2003, BAE Systems Land Systems OMC was awarded a contract to upgrade 13 Olifant Mk 1B tanks. New fire control system and target detection and engagement system with thermal imaging capability. A follow-on contract for a further 13 tanks upgraded to Olifant Mk 2 standard was awarded in September 2005. The Olifant mk2 entered service in 2007." [/b]

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/olifant/

Upgraded 44 Mk 1 A to Mk 1 B....then upgraded 26 Mk 1 B to Mk 2. That makes 44 tanks with composite armour, a mix of Mk 1 B and Mk 2.


Funny how I have to lecture you South Africans about your own army's tanks, yet you say I should prove that I am a military researcher.....you want me to roast you completely like suya meet before you believe me ?
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patches689:
Augustus.

Senior NCO's and Senior officers sit in command bunkers and lead men in strategy, training and administration.

Junior NCO's and Junior Officers lead men in the field.

I love the way you surrender when I squeeze your balls real hard.

NCO and CO....junior or senior we don't care.....NCOs and COs lead privates into battle.

You have been forced to agree with me when you saw defeat poking a finger into your eyeball....I love your surrender Pactches
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patches689:
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Fact is 177 Olifant Mk1B exist with composit armor and reactive armor

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patches689:
Your source does not specify exact numbers of Mk1A and Mk1B. It could very well be 170 Mk1B and 7 Mk1A... you have no concrete evidence to support your claims.

My source ? That is your favourite South African source defenseweb ! You now call it my source because it proves you are a fraud ?

Hilarious.....South Africans now say defenceweb is a Nigerian source o !

They now deny their own country's source.....just to make fraud about Olifant tanks, brothers betray brothers in Soweto o !

Anyway, military sources says ONLY 44 units of Olifant Mk 1 B ever built with passive/composite armour.....your fraudulent claim of 170 tanks composite armour in hereby demolished beyond repair, suck on this and commit s.uicide....

"The Olifant Mk.1B (Elephant) is an upgraded variant of the Olifant Mk.1A tank. The Mk.1B was developed as an interim solution. It entered service with South African National Defense Forces in 1991.
About 44 vehicles were upgraded to the Mk.1B standard."

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/olifant_mk1b.htm

CASE CLOSED .....44 tanks only with composite armour

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patches689:
Your source does not specify exact numbers of Mk1A and Mk1B. It could very well be 170 Mk1B and 7 Mk1A... you have no concrete evidence to support your claims.

My source is as clear as day:

Mk1 B production: 172
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/South_Africa/Olifant_MkI.php


DEAL. WITH. IT

Sure, I have dealt with it.

172 units of Olifant Mk 1B tanks with basic ordinary steel armour RHA of world war II

Boko Haram RPG HEAT will eat up all SANDF 172 tanks.....cool !

Your source says 224 Olifant MK 1 B tanks were produced, defenceweb says only 177 units of Olifant Mk 1 A and 1 B are in service as at 2013.

So, shall we ban defenceweb from this forum for telling lies about SANDF ORBAT.....because your encyclopaedia is now superior to defenceweb SA ?

#Trap

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patches689:
What fraud?

Senior officers lead junior officers, junior officers lead junior NCO's and junior NCO's lead the ranks.

Just like every army in the world.

[b]What I have exposed in your is that you who claims to be a military researcher cannot tell an officer or senior NCO apart from a regular infantryman....

Infantry man ? Privates, NCO, CO in Infantry units are all infantry men.....that is the name of their unit/regiment....not rank !

Fool.

You were trying to say the old grey haired SANDF NCO or CO don't go to war, they just train the privates, then I exposed your fraud by asking....who leads the infantry privates into battle ?

Then you realized you had lied your way into a trap as usual

Now you agree with me that NCO infantry men will lead Privates/ranks infantry men into battle, I forced you to agree, you did not know I would trap you in your own net....it was sweeeeet
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patches689:
[size=16pt]Yet again his fraud has been exposed.

Augustus has no shame! I recently exposed him for doing the same!

You Patches are the fraudster actually....see us expose you again below...

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patches689:
SANDF has 177 tanks with composit and reactive armor.

Mk1B and above has both composit and reactive armor
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/olifant/

Nope, you are using a weblink of Olifant Mk 1B to make fraudulent claims of composite and ERA armour, the 177 tanks are a mix of MK 1A and MK 1B....you are a fraud....the old school MK 1A makes up about 80 % of all SANDF tanks and NO reactive armour ERA in SANDF, you have a large fleet of basic welded steel tanks and a few passive armour/composite units.....defenceweb SA proves you wrong :

"South African Army:

Armour

177 Olifant 1A/B (Of which 133 in storage) and 26 Olifant Mk 2 (for training)."

Source : South African National Defence Force ORBAT

Written by defenceWeb, Friday, 01 February 2013.

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patches689:
[size=16pt]Olifant Mk1B and above has composit and reactive armor
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/olifant/

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I know, but SANDF has very few of it in service.

SANDF has about 236 units Olifant tanks, about 200 units of them are Olifant Mk 1 A with NO composite armour.....they are the ancient plain steel metal junks, they make up about 80 % of your useless tank force that will get eaten up by Boko Haram RPG with HEAT warhead

80 % of SANDF Olifant tranks are the old school weak armour types below ....
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