₦airaland Forum

Patchesagain:
Like we said, it will take time to train new pilots.

NAF has been flying Mi-24/35 Hind helicopters since 7 years ago and was NEVER short of pilots.

Show me a source that said NAF is short of Hind helicopter pilots, even if it's a blog show me....
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Patchesagain:
This plebeian does not know the proper envisioned use of MRLS systems

Anyway, our system is better:

Your range: 20km
Our range: 36km

Your caliber: 122mm
Ours: 127mm

Smaller and with less range.

SANDF has obsolete rickety rackety rocket artillery.

Nigeria has modern 2014 rocket artillery with armour.....your own has no armour and has poor mud terrain mobility.

The difference between 127mm and 122mm rocket size is very small....less than 5% size difference

Nobody knows the range of Nigeria's rocket artillery because RM-70 has two rocket types with 20 km and 36 km ranges.

"RM-70/85M - Modernised vehicle with new fire control and navigation equipment, can use a new type of rocket with a range of 36 km. Slovakia has ordered 50 upgrade packages."

Also, the South African rocket artillery is inferior, it has only one full load. Nigerian rocket artillery is modern and has double firepower with second load, by the time SANDF fires 40 rockets and starts to panic for reload, Nigerian army is still firing automatic second load with extra 40 rockets.....we will wipe out SANDF while your army is still sweating and struggling to reload your obsolete rocket artillery system on that soft skin pangolo rickety rackety vehicle you call a weapon system

PHOTO 1 : SANDF OBSOLETE JUNK MRLS OF SOUTH AFRICAS RAG TAG ARMY

https://www.sa-transport.co.za/military/army/valkiri_bateleur_aad2008_06_dvdb08.JPG

PHOTO 2 : NIGERIAN ARMY MODERN MRLS.....EXTRA FIREPOWER PLUS ARMOUR PLUS MOBILITY

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/T813_army2.JPG
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saengine:
Are you saying this system was never deployed to the frontline? Or they took it to the frontline but never used it? Sort of like a decoration. Can you explain the pic below?

Take heavy equipment to the frontline but knowing full well that you "refuse" to use it....um... okay then. You just wanted to show off equipment, but didn't know how to introduce it as a topic....so you just made up a "refuse to use it" narrative. Next time just post a pic, keep quiet and move on. If people like it they like it, if they dont they dont.

Did you see Nigeria use that rocket artillery on Maiduguri city or Mubi town where civilians are present in thousands?

I said it can destroy all Boko Caliphates in one day, did you see Nigeria use it in that way?

It was used intelligently on mainly enemy positions and camps in Nigeria, used in an intelligent way that a South African cannot understand
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Patchesagain:
Mr Military Researcher does not know that Hinds have a cockpit crew of 2

Even a teenager enthusiast knows the Hinds have a crew of 2.

NAF has been flying our Hinds in combat with Nigerian pilots since 7 years ago in Niger Delta war. Old photo proof below.

Now show us the white face of your imaginary white man pilot flying a Nigerian Hind helicopter.....

We are still waiting .....sure your argument has ZERO proof
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What Nigerian army can do against Boko Haram, but refused to do because many innocent lives will be lost as collateral damage, WE COULD HAVE DESTROYED EVERY 'CALIPHATE' in one day....but we must not overuse our power !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1czNdW8bgJE
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osystein:
I get you, but he still considered negroid people inferior to cushitic people whom he considered Caucasian. I wouldn't really worship a men with such views.

Ethiopian leaders like Haile Selassie and Menelik were racist towards blacks. Despite both being Oromos, these Ethiopian leaders regarded themselves as whites.

Here's just one of many quotes they stated: "'I am not a Negro at all; I am a Caucasian' the Emperor Menelik told the West Indian pan-Africanist Benito Sylvian who had come to Addis Ababa to solicit the Emperor's leadership in a society for the 'Amelioration of the Negro race.' Haile Sellassie confirmed that view in a declaration to Chief H. O. Davis, a well known Nigerian nationalist, stating that the Ethiopians did not regard themselves as Africans, but as 'a mixed Hamito-Semitic people (2006, John H. Spencer, p. 306)"

To read all the racist and cowardly acts these Ethiopian leaders did, I suggest you read this highly researched article:

http://www.madote.com/2010/03/were-ethiopian-leaders-colonialist.html

Those were allegations against Haile Selassie with no proof, he NEVER said anything racist that I can find in history, though I am not expert in that area.

Anybody who fought against the western power will surely get a bad name worldwide.

If Selassie was against blacks, I bet you Bob Marley and all black Jamaicans/Rastafarians who were alive to witness the Selassie era and generation, will NOT declare him as a hero.

I am no expert in this area, but I find NO concrete evidence against Haile Selassie, his best quoted speech is that the race and skin colour of a man's should not be used to discriminate against him.

I rest my case.

MduZA:
by government cash handouts you mean

1:child support grant for poor children aged 1 to 18
2.old age people(60 years and above
3.disabilities grant
4.foster care grant (for orphans

these are services any poor Nigerian would really want to get from your federal government ....

Nope, the Nigerian society is integrated by extended family system, and people help people across extended family lines.

Even Nigerian disabled do work and earn their daily bread, most of them do. Cripples do trade, or crafts, some own shops, blind men read law with braile, some blind Nigerians use their talents, like this man Cobhams ....

We are not born lazy like South Africans

https://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/media_stream/politicsweb/1/932751/images/DailySunFebruary22015.jpg


www.politicsweb.co.za/iservice/rubber-bullet-did-this--daily-sun

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MduZA:
you are ill informed,if immigrants who are been attacked are doctors,what are they doing on the streets?are they not supposed to be in the hospitals treating patients?
here is my list of jobs our lazy people are crying for
1.grass cutters
2.security guards
3.petrol attendents
4.cleaners
5.shoe repairers
6.barbers
7.barkers
8.drivers
9.waitress
10.sewers...etc etc

the very mentality about black south African you are showing here is one of the factors fueling xenophobia...you know nothing about south Africans,so according to you only foreigners are studying in the south African universities?

There are Nigerian doctors, nurses, school teachers, engineers, bankers, traders, and spaza shop owners in South Africa.

Those other low class labourers that you ridicule are hard working human beigns who do not feed fat on government cash gifts like lazy parasites.....the BIBLE SAYS : HE THAT WILL NOT WORK, LET HIM NOT EAT !

Universities? How many South Africans go to university? Your Soweto rug-rats have not even completed secondary school

The cost of running South African universities is paid for largely by the dollar fees charged on foreign students from all over Africa.

Your nation CANNOT survive without other Africans helping your lazy men, able bodied lazy men, born to be parasites like tape-worm taenia saginata
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MduZA:
employers are employing foreigners because
1.they are cheap laborers
2.labour relations act does not apply

Nope, it's because your lazy Soweto parasites DO NOT want to do any work, they want government cash handouts and plenty food for lazy man
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mzilakazi:
Mandela fighting for democratization of Nigeria.

British officials said that President Nelson Mandela of South Africa was a driving force behind the decision. They said that Mr. Mandela recommended suspension after winning support for the move at a caucus of African states.
Mr. Mandela told delegates at the Commonwealth meeting that he recalled how much strength he drew during his years as a political prisoner from the knowledge that the outside world was pressing South Africa to introduce democracy. Quote closed.


Mandela literally suspended Nigeria and pushed for freedom in Nigeria utilising his power.


http://www.nytimes.com/1995/11/12/world/commonwealth-suspends-nigeria-over-executions.html

Mandela did NOT suspend Nigeria, 52 commowealth countries under the overall leadership of Commonwealth secretary general Emeka Anyaokwu a Nigerian himself, ordered and signed the suspension of Nigeria....a Nigerian did it.

Mandela was not the only person that urged commonwealth to suspend Nigeria, our own human right activists led by Nobel winner Soyinka did the work with all energy travelling around the world to gather support inside commonwealth.

Stop twisting world history.

BTWN...Nigerian president Obasanjo personally wrote a strong letter to British Prime Minister demanding the end of apartheid, also every Nigerian leader championed a world wide drive to impose economic sanctions on apartheid South Africa which eventually crushed the apartheid reign and freed Mandela, and freed all black/coloured South Africans.

So that qualifies Nigerian ex-president Obasanjo to become the greatest African !

You see how hard it is for you to historically prove Mandela as a continental star ?

mzilakazi:
What does Agaugust say about Mandela now?


http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9511/nigeria/11-11/

That Mandela was South African president, and South Africa was one of the 52 commonwealth countries that stood against Nigeria, and the most powerful voice in the commonwealth against Abacha was the commonwealth secretary general Emeka Anyaoku a Nigerian man !

Your source also says what I have always said that Nigerian's freed themselves from Abacha :

"Nigerian human rights activists urged the Commonwealth and the United States on Sunday to turn the screws on Nigeria's military government by boycotting its oil."

That is quoted from your own source.

Nigerians brought world wide sanctions on Abacha, Nigerians also 'killed' Abacha in a 'technical' manner till he died foaming in the mouth inside his bedroom. Stop claiming glory that belongs to NADECO alliance, Nobel Price Winner Prof Soyinka, Commonwealth's most senior Leader Chief Emeka Anyaokwu ..... all are Nigerians who freed Nigeria from Abacha....plus the Nigerian military INTEL covert actions that killed the dictator.

You Southies wanna play glory thief again?

See how difficult it is for you to find any historical records to show how Mandela fought for the whole of Africa ?

He is a local champion and hero of South African people ALONE.....but NOT Africa....Mandela does NOT belong to that class on this continent
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osystein:
haile was actually racists towards are non-cushitic African. He was also a proponent of the racists hemetic theory.

African Arabs threaten Ethiopia same way Middle Eastern Arabs threaten Israel. Ethiopia is full of black Jews. Egypt threatened to attack Ethiopia last year or so, we debated the potential war here.

I don't see why Haile would be racist....he is black. Bob Marley's father was white.

Haile Selassie said : "Until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned, everywhere is war and until there are no longer first-class and second-class citizens of any nation, until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes. And until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race, there is war. And until that day, the dream of lasting peace, world citizenship, rule of international morality, will remain but a fleeting illusion to be pursued, but never attained... now everywhere is war." Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia, the Lion Of Africa.

Bob Marley copied it into a song.

Patchesagain:
Nigerians are whit men with blond hair? Hahahaha - it must make your soul bleed to see the whites operating your equipment for you.

Show us the face of the man....your white man helicopter pilot

This is the pilot that came out of the same helicopter when it landed...shame on you....argument demolished
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PHOTO SCREENSHOT...@ELKASPBG

andrewza:
Russia has never put Much in to stealth. Simply because stealth is not really stealth. Russia puts lots of FLIRs on there fighters that can pic up a stealth fighter. The stealth fighter can't use its radar and Russian can't see it on there's. But that FLIR viva the Russian an edge.

Russia has finally defeated stealth jet technology with upgraded Su-27, Su-30 and new models Su-35 Flanker jets equipped with long range TV-Video cameras called OLS-35, so no more dependence on radar or infra red detector alone, they have additional detection by TV camera integrated with the IRST. No escape for any F-22 or F-35 jet stealth fighter, the Russian TV cameras will video detect all stealth jet fighters real time and big time !

America can claim stealth against weak countries, not Russia !

http://igorrgroup..ca/2009/10/ols-35-irst-option-for-su-30-family.html
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mzilakazi:
That is entirely untrue because the greatest African to ever exist in the universe is a South African known as Nelson Mandela

You drunk early this friday?

Mandela was the greatest South African.

He is NOT the greatest African, he fought for his own local people in South Africa as a country, he NEVER fought for Africa as a continent, the rest of Africa was already free while Mandela was coming out of jail...thanks to the other Africans like Obasanjo of Nigeria who fought to save Mandela from premature death in the jaws of the apartheid masters.

Greatest African? Where would you put Kmawe Nkrumah, Nnamdi Azikwe the Zik Of Africa, Haile Selasie of Ethiopia who made a country that would never be colonized in black Africa?

You don't know difference between country achievement and a continental achievement.....maybe you even think that Africa is a country and South Africa is its national capital.

Mumu, your Southie government BEE program has given free laptop and internet to an olodo like you
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mzilakazi:
Those are lies. The reason why I have asked is because recently I was watching an overseas financial channel interviewing economists and chartered accountants who on their personal capacity do not believe Dangote is worth what he is told. They believe that he is not the richest man in Africa and that his net worth is much much less than $5 billion. Forbes was found to be planting propaganda about the man.

Forbes magazine is telling lies about Dangote.....but Defenceweb must be believed when they talk about German navy shooting? Right? Only your own sources are always right. Mumu + Mugu .

mzilakazi:
Idleness is not a factor, xenophobia is fuelled by.

-Competition that the locals cannot tolerate relating to small businesses. The only means of survival by black SA during apartheid was thought small business management and since then that opportunity has since been seized by foreigners.

- Increased number of violence involving drug dealings by foreigners

- Increased incidences of money scams and dubious electronic bank smses that seeks to dub people of their money from their bank accounts.

- Widespread practice of hoodoo and fake magical healing as opportunity to dub people of their money. Often, victims are promised luck, success and prosperity.

-Over increase of number of foreigners with fake documents, etc. However that is not an excuse for SA to beat those people

Somebody is telling you the bitter truth below :

morpheus24:
The boy is looking for excuses left right center

First they were taking your jobs

Then they were taking your women

Then they were selling drugs to your kids

Then they were opening up spaza shops and crafts shops, reducing prices and outsmarting you in business.

NOW it is they do not want to mingle with us.


Bunch of excuses to justify the locals anger and not being able to compete within the South African economic system. If you didn't know how to do it before the Foriegners, you damn sure aint gonna be able to do it after.

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MikeCZAR:
They're behind cause they don't have that capability now. They went for a foreign vessel for a reason.

Russia doesn't see much action. They follow western weapons development projects.

Stealth from ground, sea and air warfare is not overrated.

Only 1 F-117 was lost in combat like many sources say it was spotted when its bays opened to drop weapons.

Nothing in today's long range bombers come close the B-2 spirit bomber.

Russia has defeated stealth with long range TV-Video cameras equipped new Su-30 and Su-35 flankers, nothing escapes their detection....stealth is defeated by Russia, Sukhoi flankers are now ahead of western jet fighters
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Msauza:
SA mercenaries saved you from destruction

# ShowUs SA Mercenary Photos Fighting Combat Against BokoHaram
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Patchesagain:
US Mercenaries in Iraq did not take up combat roles only defensive ones.

SADF foreign fighters were restricted to a battalion of 850 men and were led and trained by South Africans.

Pic related, white bloke flying one of your hinds in combat

I give your argument: 2/10.

Apply yourself in future.

Foreign fighters saved your country and liberated your people. Deal with it.

Cool, you have now admitted:

America used mercenaries in Iraq for defensive role. Never mind the fact that combat is both offensive and defensive, a fight is a fight. Defensive combat, offensive combat, all is = combat.

SADF used at least a whole battalion of foreign white and black mercenaries in Angolan war....never mind the fact that over 60,000 black Angolan UNITA rebels were finaced by South Africa to directly fight Cuban army for many years while SADF deployed only 4,000 troops..... so UNITA rebels takes 90% glory for the ground war efforts against Cuban army.

Meanwhile in Nigerian war on Boko Haram, NO SINGLE MERCENARY FIRED ONE BULLET....yes, we had a PMC of 5 trainers who mentored 100 Nigerian troops called strike force, lightly armed men with ordinary machine guns that could not cover 0.0001 % of the war zone bigger than Scotland.

The photo of a pilot flying the Hind helicopter is the backview of a faceless man whose jacket collar is assumed by you to be human blonde hair. Have you ever heard of international standard called positive identification? Have you seen where an embassy gives visa to a man whose international passport shows the back of his head and all covered with helmet and heavy jackets... please show us the face of that pilot, we need to see a white-man's face to prove your mercenary is flying Mi-35 Hind....show us the pilots face !
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Camouflaged or covered images, backview of heavily clothed people, is inadmissible evidence/exhibit in court anywhere in this world.

You are a real grade A category Mumu
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Msauza:
Our mercenaries liberated you.....

..... Without firing one bullet ? LOL....Spirit mecenaries like Ghost Rider
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mzilakazi:
Not all overseas countries are as cold as that. However, SA changes over time to that state.

You are just another victim of the shiny school building + dull brain students South African educational system.

You want to compare American cold with South African cold?

I was talking about cold weather that kills people if they have no heater for their homes. Does South African cold kill people? How many homes in South Africa are PERMANENTLY constructed with winter heater fitted like in America?

Snow photos you poster there means nothing, there is snow in Tanzanian atop mount Kilimanjaro.

Snow can cover a city and it's just + 2 degrees Celsius.

Have you ever seen - 50 degrees Celsius in South Africa?

How many of your homes are covered by frozen long icicles every year?

Your failed Southie educational system did not teach you people people how to argue within context of a debate. No wonder Nigerian teachers are taking jobs away from your lazy dullards and your only response is Xenophobic attacks killing your fellow African black men on the streets.

ANC nation of animalistic babarians !
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Patchesagain:
Nope

Presence of mercenaries is well confirmed.

As soon as mercenaries arrived you started winning the war

It is clear whom had the biggest effect on the war

America used mercenaries in Iraq war, yet nobody gave American military glory to white mercenaries, BBC and CNN never did that.....LOL.

If 5 men from a white PMC train 150 Nigerian troops in a small strike force, the western media will say the mercenaries won the war for Nigeria.....but how about the battalions of mercenaries fighting combat for American army in Iraq, those ones are not getting America's glory? LOL.

Anyway South African army in Angola was full of thousands of European and Angolan-Rhodesian-Mozambican mercenaries fighting 24 hours daily and shooting at the Cuban enemies in direct combat.....those ones don't take the glory from SADF, right? LOL.

Now....show us mercenaries flying Nigerian Alpha jets, F-7 jets, ATR-42 Surveyor battlefield surveillance aircraft, Mi-35 Hind E version, T-72 AV tanks, LG-3 Auto Grenade launcher, BTR-4E IFV.....show us mercenaries firing Bofors FH-77 Artilery....show us a white man that fired one single bullet in Boko Haram war....we have shown you thousands of Nigerians firing weapons....now you show us the mercenaries firing weapons inside the battlefield of Northern Nigeria....

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Patchesagain:
Does it snow in every part of America?

Ohhhh... look who doesnt know what they are talking about (again)

Most of America s cold. Most of South Africa is hot.

When we are making general statement use your head and think like an adult.

Only a fool will compare American cold with South African cold, how many South African cities have heavy snow covered houses and roads for 5 months a year like in America.

Sleep is far inferior to death .... Fool
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Patchesagain:
All of them are based on the findings of a NIGERIAN publication.

Hence, they are biased.

Show us independent citations.

Same way you always want us to believe defenceweb citations, it's a biased South African source but you will insist it is telling the truth about an alleged report from German embassy .

Only you will judge which source is good or bad? Only you will be the judge that everybody must obey?
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Patchesagain:
Fact remains, you had to call on whitey to save you
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Nope, we saved ourselves, according to the VICE NEWS media reporter on ground inside the war zone where you could not go, IT WAS A NIGERIAN MILITARY VICTORY despite the tiny role of tiny foreign PMC training a tiny group of men in MRAP called strike force
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Patchesagain:
last i checked it was the Angolan president

World ranking does not include men with stolen money and looted public funds.

We are talking about honest hardworking men who EARNED their money.....not thieves in political government positions.

Nigerian Dangote is Africa's world recognized richest man today !
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Msauza:
SA weather and overseas are alike, why would weather same as the one at home kill them?

Do you have winter and solid ice at minus 20 degrees in South Africa... - 20 degrees Celsius ? 20 degrees below freezing point ?

Victim of sub-standard South African education dispensed in so called 'Top 10 African Universities'
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Patchesagain:
1st is Egypt with 8
2nd South Africa with 7
3rd Nigeria with 5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_the_number_of_US_dollar_billionaires#Africa

I know that you think everyone in your country is a billionaire due to your useless hyper-inflated currency

But in terms of the USD its pretty cut and dry

The richest man in Africa is Dangote the Nigerian businessman.

End Of Discussion
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ChukwuCantDie:
RACIST WHITES AS USUAL HAVE CLAIMED AFRICAN VICTORY


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/14/south-africas-ageing-white-mercenaries-who-helped-turn-tide-on-boko-haram

They have failed in their propaganda and fraud....white racists !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kimbo5c0Ak
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14:
If SOUTH AFRICANS were lazy, do you think they would have built a country what south africa is today, where the very same foreigners enjoy the infrustructured built by lazy south africans. if my mind serves me well, , foreigners were never involved.

Abi you dey cräze ?

Who told you that these lazy black xenophobes built South Africa?

The technologically and infrastructurally advanced/developed South Africa was built by the white-men citizens who enjoyed over 200 years of uninterrupted white-minority apartheid rule.

Your white masters transferred technology directly from their original nations of Europe into South Africa, that is why a Bantu man in Soweto today wears Woolworths jeans instead of animal skin pänts half näked.

If Afrikaner Boer white man hears that you are claiming glory for the works of Botha, De Klerk and their white ancestors, he will curse your Zulu-Xhosa-Bantu nation with white witchcräft.

You can even say the nuclear power of South Africa was developed by Jacob Zuma's uncles.

Soweto fööl, even your country's president has declared black South Africans lazy and parasites by nature.

Immigrant stole your jobs....were you sleeping on duty?

Olodo !
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