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Patchesagain:
Because you say so?

Msauza:
USSR lost about 54 men in Angola

http://english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/15-02-2011/116909-soviet_union_foreign_wars-0/

Msauza:
Thanks for admitting that the Soviet Union were giving Cubans military support including deploying more than 20 000 soldiers. Soviet flew Cuban sorties under pretext that they were Cuban pilots.

Msauza:
SA pilots have fired many missiles from gripens during combat training and A-darter missile testing.

SADF was just on the verge of using missile weapons in Angola which could have caused more catastrophe to be talked about for many centuries, but the US came in rescue to facilitate the talks instead.

MikeCZAR:
So where does Nigeria stand since your air force has never fired a missile in air to air combat.

An act of war?

You said threat not an act of war.

Always shifting goal posts.

MikeCZAR:
1. Maritime threat: China and Japan over those Senkaku islands.

Ethiopia and Eritrea did what now?

Patchesagain:
We dont have to do anything anymore.

As my legal friends would say "the burden of proof now rests on your shoulders"

Patchesagain:
Nowhere has the SAN once said it was them.

The German Embassy expressly said it was them.

This is over.

Patchesagain:
[size=16pt]GERMANS CONFIRM THAT THEY FIRED ON THE FISHING BOAT

The German navy’s frigate FGS Hessen was responsible for accidentally targeting a fishing vessel during Exercise Good Hope last month.

The German embassy said that the captain of the Hessen used practice ammunition rather than live ammunition when his frigate accidentally targeted a ski boat whilst carrying out a live fire exercise on 25 March in southern Cape waters.

The German embassy said five rounds were fired at the boat, landing around 20 metres from their target, after being mistakenly identified by the Hessen’s commander and firing supervisor. After being shot at, Day immediately put on his bright deck lights so that the people on the boat could be seen, and headed west at full speed.

- DefenceWeb

We await a full apology from Nigerians for accusing the SANDF of such actions without any fact or substance to their allegations[/size]

Patchesagain:
Show us an official report from the South African navy, not private news magizines

Admiral16:
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38765:german-vessel-responsible-for-firing-on-fisherman-during-ex-good-hope&catid=51:Sea&Itemid=106

The German navy’s frigate FGS Hessen was responsible for accidentally targeting a fishing vessel during Exercise Good Hope last month.

The German embassy said that the captain of the Hessen used practice ammunition rather than live ammunition when his frigate accidentally targeted a ski boat whilst carrying out a live fire exercise on 25 March in southern Cape waters.

Commercial fisherman and skipper Anthony Day, with nine crew members, launched from Struisbaai harbour at about 02h30 in his 28-foot boat, the Arctic. They intended heading to Twelve Mile Bank, south-southwest of Struisbaai, to fish for Geelbeck.
Day said that while he was waiting for his crew before launching, a charter boat operator arrived, towing the black-painted boat with a radar reflector. Day spoke to them and was informed that the boat was going to be used as a target at the Denel Overberg Test Range, approximately 20 nautical miles to the northeast.

Day launched his boat whilst the target boat was still tied up alongside the quay. He headed in a south-south-westerly direction opposite to that of the Denel test range. In the early hours of the morning, the Hessen mistakenly identified the fishing vessel as the 14 foot radio controlled ‘Hammerhead’ boat that was to be used for target practice as both the target and the ski boat had very similar profiles.

The German embassy said five rounds were fired at the boat, landing around 20 metres from their target, after being mistakenly identified by the Hessen’s commander and firing supervisor. After being shot at, Day immediately put on his bright deck lights so that the people on the boat could be seen, and headed west at full speed.

The German military said South Africa was responsible for closing off the area for training, according to Netwerk24.

At the time of the incident, German and South African forces were conducting live fire exercises off the coast of the Overberg Test Range, a declared live firing area, as part of Exercise Good Hope VI. Both tactical phases and missile firing were done using RIM-7 Sea Sparrow short range anti-aircraft and anti-missile weapons and RIM-116 rolling airframe missiles as well as Umkhonto infrared homing missiles, 76 mm guns and smaller weapons.

The German frigates Karlsruhe and Hessen together with the support ship Berlin were involved in the tactical exercise, with Hessen tasked with shooting the target vessel.

andrewza:
Absence of a response is a response. Aka defencweb a news site would loose all credablety if it said a embassy said something it did not.

jln115:
I already posted German sources were they admitted guilt mate!!

andrewza:
German embassy is a pretty good source don't you think.

jl115:
In more than a 100 years! no enemy force has ever set foot in South Africa!

Patchesagain:
[size=16pt]GERMANS CONFIRM THAT THEY FIRED ON THE FISHING BOAT

The German navy’s frigate FGS Hessen was responsible for accidentally targeting a fishing vessel during Exercise Good Hope last month.

The German embassy said that the captain of the Hessen used practice ammunition rather than live ammunition when his frigate accidentally targeted a ski boat whilst carrying out a live fire exercise on 25 March in southern Cape waters.

The German embassy said five rounds were fired at the boat, landing around 20 metres from their target, after being mistakenly identified by the Hessen’s commander and firing supervisor. After being shot at, Day immediately put on his bright deck lights so that the people on the boat could be seen, and headed west at full speed.

- DefenceWeb

We await a full apology from Nigerians for accusing the SANDF of such actions without any fact or substance to their allegations[/size]

jln115:
German vessel responsible for firing on fisherman during Ex Good Hope
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38765:german-vessel-responsible-for-firing-on-fisherman-during-ex-good-hope&catid=51:Sea&Itemid=106

patches689:
There is no active air to air war today around the world. Yet nations continue to fly air-superiority fighters.

You dont prepare for the threats of today - you prepare for the threats of today AND tomorrow!!

You have no argument, just like you have no missile armed warship, just like you have no navy.

All you have is a coast gaurd that cannot even gaurd your coast

jl115:
"SANDF has NOT won any war, South Africa has NEVER won any war in it's military history. !"
F@cked up the British forces in the Boere war good and proper for more than 3 years before being forced to surrender due to the atrocities happening in the concentration camps!
Defeated the Germans in SWA in world war 1, alone BTW!
Defeated the Italians in North Africa in ww2.
Played a major role in Defeating the German forces in North Africa in ww2.
Defeated Cuban and Angolan forces in the Border War.

In more than a 100 years! no enemy force has ever set foot in South Africa!

Now tell me which wars has Nigeria ever won excluding Civil Wars?

NaijaPikinGidi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlcEqAUIUY0

Terrorists evaporate at the sight of NA and the world applauds to the new masters of COIN - NA strolling!

NaijaPikinGidi:
The secrecy is in place just to keep our detractors and enemies underestimating our capacity to fight and then dealing them a surprise blitz in very quick movement/time. #NeverAgain

Henry120:
So, I contacted SIPRI. I sought to know why Nigerian military procurement assets are always under-enumerated by the research institute or are totally missing entirely. I discovered a whole lot of anomalies in their arms transfer database, the Hinds and MI-17's from Ukraine(NAF 261, 525,526 etc etc) are not listed, the 12 more MI-35's from belarus were also missing, Tanks, UAV's, Igirigi and Gazelle Helicopters were also under-enumerated or completely missing .............


Here, the reply I got from their Senior researcher.




[b] As usual Nigerian arms procurement is relatively secretive and our open source derived data can only be an indication of the true scope and volume of Nigerian arms imports.

We are always searching for more information, but we only use open sources for our database. 


A good example of the secrecy around arms procurement in Nigeria. We only noticed the information abut the Gazelles when the database had already been closed and was ready for publication. We have no idea how many Gazelle's Nigeria has procured and where they came from. We believe they were delivered in 2015, and my best guess is that they come from Serbia or France. Both countries have plenty of Gazelles in stock.

the Igirigi, the number of 10 transferred is a pure estimate, very likely a significant underestimate. We do not know how many have been ordered and how many more are planned to be delivered.

best regards
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Pieter Wezeman
Senior Researcher
Arms and Military Expenditure Programme

STOCKHOLM INTERNATIONAL 
PEACE RESEARCH INSTITUTE[/b]

EVarn:
The US AFRICOM Commander in Chad nearly had a stroke when he heard that we had mysteriously purchased armed drones from China despite their stiffling arm embargo,i'm sure that what made them even more frightened was that we could already operate armed drones with unequalled efficiency in such a short time.they got even more shocked when they saw us cruising around in powerful tanks,APCs,IFVs,AFVs and launching rockets from powerful MRLs..hehehehe....And they dont even know if that is even a fraction of our military hardware.

Patchesagain:
And by 2020 we will have completed two brand new powerstations (both of which are the biggest of their type in the world) that together (just the two of them) will more than equal the entire power output of Nigeria

Current shortages are due to the connection of over 1 million new homes to the power grid

MikeCZAR:
Right now the Nigerian navy lacks combat capability both surface and sub-surface.

Patchesagain:
Largest =/= Best

Without any actual warships Nigeria is unable to perform any operations other than littoral maritime security.

You have a coast guard, not a navy.

Patchesagain:
You know that those photo's of henry120 confirms our entire argument?

Patchesagain:
Last I checked Nigeria had no operational missile armed warships or subs.

Msauza:
Nigeria has number of useless small vessels which do not have blue water capability. Such will not stand before a blue water capable navy. Only effective for pirates.

Msauza:
NN has zero submarine and frigates. It does not deserve to be there.

1.Egypt
2.Algeria
3.South Africa
4.Morocco.

That's a fair list that will be supported by military experts.

Henry120:
You know why i shared these photos with you?

NaijaPikinGidi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlcEqAUIUY0

Views from the world over!! I hope our blockhead South Africans can now understand that khaki no be leather!! It takes an unbiased VICE (video) news reporting from our NE frontlines to demolish all the wrong perceptions, hate-mongering and propaganda peddled against Nigeria and the NA.

All I owe you is more of the outpouring of praises for Africa's top conventional War and COIN specialist Army - the NA.

They say we are "badasss" fighters!