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Msauza:
[size=16]Global Military Firepower 2015.

The top 3 African military power.


1.Egypt
2.Algeria
3.South Africa.[/size]



http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing-africa.asp

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It is wrong as usual, does not include Nigeria's new weapons purchases in hundreds, T-72, BTR-4, RM-70 MRLS, BVP-1, CH-3 Missile Drones, CS-VP3 MRAPS, Spartan MK III, Igirigi 23mm x 2 cannon, New night combat Alpha jets with PGM, Puma armed helicopters, Gazelle armed helicopters, NNS Centenary, NNS Okpabana, NNS Sangbama, Mi-35 Hind E, Mi-171 armed Terminators, too many including weapons SANDF has never dreamed of in their lives[/size]

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Msauza:
Nigeria does not have a launching platform for Otomat anymore.

Try invade Nigeria by sea and find out....

Explosive 'Tanzanites'

andrewza:
No where there do you explain how it is achieved.

It was not my explanation, it was the manufacturer's technical operation mechanism of Otomat missile explained on Harpoon Databases.

I am tired of repeating old posts on this thread because you Southies are just fvcking liars and frauds filled with inferiority complex, you make me leave this forum and watch TV instead.

I posted it here July 6th, 2014 with weblink source and photo screen image of the webpage, PROVED BEYOND ANY DOUBT ON PLANET EARTH !

https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/948

"The Otomat is an unusual missile. The four double-delta wings are each mounted on an air intake and are tipped with a datalink antenna.. Between two of the wing pairs are a pair of solid rocket launch boosters which are jettisoned after four seconds. A radar altimeter is fitted to the underside. The jet engine is to the rear along with the cruciform guidance fins. The missile comes sealed in a fiberglass container that needs maintenance only once a year. Launch is via the MM/OJ-791 operator console.

Inbuilt missiles internal datalink allows two Otomats stagger-fired to “cooperate” and extend their maximum range from 35NM to 43 ¼ NM or 80 km range." SOURCE : Harpoon Databases.

It shocked everybody on this forum last year, so shuut up and live with the fact, Otomat MK 1 range when two missiles are fired in salvo is 80km and it beats the 70km of your weaker Exocet missile.

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Patchesagain:
The Olifant Mk2 is comparable in every way to your T-72, as I have shown with citations.

Over 200 units of SANDF Olifant tabks have ancient RHA armour from 1970s vintage, the tank itself is of 1960s origin with 1940s capability

5 units of Nigerian army T-72 with ERA armour will eat up all your 200 units of Olifant ancient tanks.....repainted Centurion grand-father tanks
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andrewza:
Where does it say 2 mk1 can boost each other's range.


All so when last where they fired. You know they don't last for ever.

I won't repeat same post 77 times, I posted world news report last month showing Venezuela still test fired their Otomat missiles very recently and they bought in 1980s same time with Nigeria. Otomats don't expire short-time like you imagine, they are expensive high grade missiles with very long life. Some missiles last 45 years. Saudi Arabia too still uses their Otomat mounted on ships, they have not been test firing because they don't have to.

Otomat Mk 1 range is increased to 80 km when you fire two in salvo, it's an extra-ordinary kind of missile :

Source Harpoon Databases, I posted that here many times last year, I wont repeat it

https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/945

patches689:
Henry

The citation was as clear as day

6 were delivered

they are in service

Evaluation units, not SANDF service. Show us an SANDF soldier with a single Badger
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andrewza:
Actually the boats used on the frigates can carry a MG151 20mm auto cannon, radar and other gear. I mean they the same size of a yanky boat. They all so getting upgraded with more sensors.

Show them to us, your interceptor boats with tech data specs, armament, range, speed, and endurance, plus survivability/logistics to patrol high seas alone like a Nigerian Shaldag.....or your Valour frigates have to keep carrying them about like one month old babies strapped on their mothers' back because they cannot move by themselves
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Msauza:
Which sorce corroborate your claim that SANDF did not kill even one single Seleka rebel? We are waiting for an answer.

Show me photo of one single dead Seleka rebel.....all we see are dead SANDF troops
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Patchesagain:
As we have proven (thanks SIPRI) you only have Otomat Mk1 with 60km range... our missiles have a 72km range

Even if we don't use other sources that say Nigeria has Otomat Mk II, lets just assume Mk I for analysis purposes alone today.

SAN Exocet range 70 km

NN Otomat Mk I, 80 km when two missiles are fired in salvo, they cooperate and extend range from 60km to 80km
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Patchesagain:
Augubug, cant you read?

I have allready shown you!!

The Type 07P

You just k.illed your own argument !

Cameroon's Type 07P IFV CANNOT carry anti-tank missiles and auto grenade launchers like Nigerian BTR-4 IFV.

The Cameroonian piece of shiit is manufactured to be a gun only armed IFV of 1940s world war II configuration.

Naija cruises around in BTR-4E configured to carry missiles.

Your fraudulent argument dem.olished in 1 minute !

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MikeCZAR:
SAN is no coast guard.

Your navy is nothing but a bunch of boys with patrol boats, no sea combat capability.

The Namacurra boats have been used inland in dams and rivers.

With thee Davit system the Valour frigates can launch high speed interceptors.

The SAN crosses the atlantic very often, what "long range"?

Even Cameroons navy crosses atlantic, crossing ocean is NOT 24 hour patrolling international waters, South African navy has no OPV fleet for 24 hours round the clock patrolling of international waters, 3 of your 4 Valour frigates engines has already broken down, your navy has no maritime security capability long range !

Davit system ? What da fvck ! Nigeria has hundreds of those Davit system kinda tiny rubber or fibre glass boats, yet we bought many Shaldag ocean interceptors because those rubber dinghy boats are mere toys when blue water action starts.

Those your Valour frigates useless Davit sytem launch only tiny toy rubber inflatable dingy or fibre boats that cannot carry cannon/main gun, cannot carry radar, cannot carry night vision ocean imagers, cannot survive alone in high sea because a windy wave will overflow it with water and sink it killing all your sailors, cannot climb into a pirate ship that is the size of an oil tanker, cannot fight pirates that have rifles aboard a big ship, it can even be overran by a small fishing trawler made of steel and all your sailors will sink and drown to death, it cannot carry fuel for more than few hours before it's tiny out-board motor tank runs dry and your sailors stranded in high sea where shark will eventually eat up all those South African navy men including @Andrewza....

South African navy is a wishy washy piece of joke, reason why you are now realizing your weakness and desperate to buy a big stealth OPV and MPV like Nigeria, but South Africa has no money, except you auction some of your bank loan purchased useless submarines tomorrow !
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PHOTO : NIGERIAN NAVY BOATS BESIDE THEIR MASTER THE SHALDAG OCEAN HIGH SPEED INTERCEPTOR

MikeCZAR:
The Ratel is better than the BTR-4E

20mm cannon.
23mm cannon.
90mm assault gun.
Ingwe missile.
60mm mortar.
81mm mortar.
LMG(s).
Water storage.

You can't deploy those BTR-4E in real conventional battles again where communications, command and control are vital.

Fool, you don't have all those weapons combined on any single Ratel, those are for different versions.

Same way BTR-4E has versions for all those kind of guns and mortar, however as a modern 2010 IFV the BTR-4 combines 30mm cannon plus 40mm automatic grenade launcher plus anti-tank missiles on one single BTR-4.....a feat which your obsolete 1980 Ratel CANNOT perform.

You started messing up this thread again and I will just go back ignoring the thread until your season of m.adness is over
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jln115:
providing a blog as your source!!! cant say im surprised.
ANYWAY just to correct you, its was 200 paratroopers and recces vs 3000+ rebels, we defended our base,they surrendered and it was a political decision to bring back our soldiers.
www.iol.co.za/sundayindependent/how-deadly-car-battle-unfolded-1.1493841#.VOjo5XyUfIQ

250 to 300 SANDF elite paratroopers and special forces Vs 1,500 Seleka rebels.

After 18 hours battle, the world sees photos of :

15 South African Elite soldiers dead

0 Seleka rebels dead

No wonder SANDF Elite and Specially disgraced special forces ran to French army at Bangui airport for white-man's army protection that your destiny is very familiar with
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EVarn:
Be that as it may.Tanks can never match a light automobile vehicle on asphalt speed,the very idea is a preposterious fallacy.that tank in the video was barely running at half the speed of a recharged SUV.

You don't know South Africans are fools ?

EVarn:
thanks for the update oga agaugust,it is very much appreciated.
do you know when the first batch of our JF-17 will arrive?

Not sure, but I will list most of Nigeria's newly purchased weapons here in a few weeks times, full list of what is confirmed, many secret deals will still be unknown to public maybe forever. Some of the weapons I will list have not been disclosed before now. A colleague in the same profession has the list already and I will get it.

MikeCZAR:
It is a coast guard.

Yes, the business of the sea arm of your armed forces is not to fight at sea. But to patrol.

Your navy cannot protect Nigeria's waters against hostile vessels!

Nigeria has no threat of any hostile navy vessel, all we see are criminal pirates, so we can afford to reserve NNS Aradu and sail around in OPVs, a navy fights the war it sees, not the video game war it imagines.

MikeCZAR:
Those missiles expired long ago, when was the last time your naval combat officers were drilled at sea in using them?

A bet 90% don't never heard about something called Otomat!

The Valour class frigates can intercept pirate vessels!

Valour frigate is NOT an OPV for constant patrolling and you already ruined 3 of them with engine fatigue

I proved Nigeria's Otomat missiles have not expired, other navies who bought Otomat same time with us are still test firing theirs very recently or still have them on board their warships like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela.

Show us war and we will revive NNS Aradu with Otomat missiles, it's range is superior to your Valour frigates overrated Exocets
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MikeCZAR:
Because?

SAN has no flat bottom swamp patrol crafts, no high speed radar guided ocean interceptors, no long endurance patrol vessel, no stealth IPV, no stealth MPV, no stealth OPV.

Go kiss your canvas shoes in the mud !

Patchesagain:
At this point in time Cameroon has better IFVs'...

Show us Cameroonian IFV that matches Nigerian BTR-4E.

Surely Zimbabwe has better IFVs than South Africa. Fool.

Patchesagain:
Sht1t sone, are you seriously comparing an upgraded cold-war IFV to a latest gen tank hunting IFV? The Stryker called... it wanted to remind you that its not 1985 anymore

At this pointy in time Soutrh Africa has the best "IFV pipleine"

As to the T-72, the Olifant is better despite the smaller bore gun, because, technologically we are ahead... seriously, 2015 and you are still usig reactive armor? lol, get on the composite train brother!!

South African army is worse, about 230 units of Olifant tanks in SANDF, only 26 units have modular armour and it is not all round protection, only the vital areas have modular passive armour, the other parts of your re-welded and re-painted 1970s old generation tanks have ordinary welded steel RHA armour that Boko Haram will penetrate with HEAT warhead shoulder carried RPG.

Over 200 SANDF Olifant tanks are still having the ancient 1940s invented steel armour....your tank force of those 200 will all be k.illed by 5 Nigerian T-72 tanks with ERA armour in 30 minutes.

You should look well at your obsolescent army arsenal before you talk, get it ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX-FseDv_o4

andrewza:
try driving your top heavy SUV cross country at speed. People look at tanks and think they slow, sure on the road they slow but they can hit speeds over road no SUV could reach.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wKfpPrRVIo

No tank is fast as an SUV mister man !

Max speed of SANDF Olifant tank is 58 km/hr on good road

Toyota SUV speed will hit over 180 km/hr on good road
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EVarn:
NAF SUPER PUMA

The first photo is NAF MBB 105 combat helicpoter retired. It's smaller than Puma.

EVarn:
NAF NEWLY UPGRADED SUPER PUMA

NAF new upgraded Pumas are also armed with weapons, rockets, cannon, etc

NAF is also arming Augusta helicopters and we have armed Gazelle combat helicopters.

NAF has the best helicopter combat force in Africa if we add the 52 new combat helicopters coming from Russia and Belarus this year
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EVarn:
Not only frigates are entitled to be called 'warships',any OPV that has combat capability,sophisticated radar technology and high endurance also qualifies as gallant warship.
Many blue water navies take coastal guards for granted,but the truth is that OPVs have more endurance and mobility than most frigates.your frigates will be sunk into the atlantic ocean by any OPV that can be fitted with missiles.

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Henry120:
I said bring a debate, and this is all you can muster.......... poor!!

Nigerian Army BTR-4E

Our version operates in the Shkval module.

SHKVAL Module

Armament : 30mm Cannon
30mm Grenade launcher
7.62mm machine gun
2 Anti-Tank missilles

Mobility. : 600 horse power Engine powers this IFV with a top speed of 110 km and a 650 km range.

Armour. : Protection against 7.62, 12.7mm basic. Add on Armour and a Slat Armour can also be added.


Versatility. : The BTR-4E is also fully amphibious and can perform in any terrain.

Crew. : 10 fully armed men.

Accessories. : CCTV /NFS for both day and night operations.



The Nigerian Army BTR-4E is top down the best IFV in service in Africa.

FACT !
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MikeCZAR:
Because Nigerians only know the Valour class frigates and Heroine Submarines?

Yes, your navy is a coast guard.

Coast Guards have no Otomat missiles and Aspide missiles like on NNS Aradu.

Nigerian navy has real naval combat power in reserve, no need to use it. Our current threat is piracy, pirates run away from ordinary guns on a NN Shaldag interceptor gun boat
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MikeCZAR:
. The things Nigerians celebrate are just too painful for heart at times.

The fact remains. The Nigerian navy is inferior to SA's.

Our navies are differently oriented, SA navy CANNOT effectively patrol swamps, shallow waters or long range off shore
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Patchesagain:
Cameroons Type 07P's and PTL-02's are better

Badger will be the best in the continent, and we are getting meaningfull number of them (236) unlike you whom has only got a handfull

T72 is a death trap, reactive armor or not... just look at Syria. Cheap chinese ATGM's eating them for breakfast all day long. Look at its combat history as well, its been slaughtered every single time its been in combat. Worthless tank.

Syrian T-72 tanks are older than Nigerian versions and they have less armour. Nigeria has T-72 M variant with double ERA amour on top of another layer of RHA....three levels of armour T-72 tanks

Cameroon's chinese Type 07P is many years behind the technology of Nigeria's BTR-4, unless you have medical problems in your brrain !

You are talking rubbish.

Patchesagain:
Cameroons Type 07P's and PTL-02's are better

Badger will be the best in the continent, and we are getting meaningfull number of them (236) unlike you whom has only got a handfull

T72 is a death trap, reactive armor or not... just look at Syria. Cheap chinese ATGM's eating them for breakfast all day long. Look at its combat history as well, its been slaughtered every single time its been in combat. Worthless tank.

Syrian T-72 tanks are older than Nigerian versions and they have less armour. Nigeria has T-72 M variant with double ERA amour on top of another layer of RHA....three levels of armour T-72 tanks

You are talking rubbish.

Patchesagain:
Yes we know what they are Henry120

But how are they better?

What is the point of an ultra long range vessel if your operations are only in the gulf of guinea?

Nigerian navy uses that long range to patrol up to Angola. No African navy from Cape Town to Cairo can match Nigeria's sea patrol range, we just beat everybody hands down !
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andrewza:
Why is it the best. It got less balsyic protecstion, IED, HEAT and fire power than the badger. All so you have a tiny number of them. Not even enough to field a company.

BTR-4E is better than Badger.

BTR-4 is amphibious, Badger is only dry land capable

BTR-4 and Badger have the same level of armour protection except for the extra under chassis anti-mine/IED protection on the Badger

BTR-4 speed is faster

BTR-4 has extra firepower of 40mm Automatic Grenade Launcher, Badger has none
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EVarn:
@Chief agaugust,henry,stillchris,naijapikingidi..what do you think about the latest development with ISIS?
In the latest reports,we learnt that ISIS has now sprung up in libya{as expected}.libya is only 1500km away from our border,egypt is trying to contain the situation,but sadly isnt recieving necessary support.
Do you think they are only aiming for north african arab nations,or have they decided that blacks muslims arent infidels anymore?
We know that if ISIS harnesses the weapons and human resource in libya,mali,niger and chad,then they will be 10 times stronger,with over 2 million trained fighters to cause judicious amount of terror,making the ottoman brutality look like training drills.
Our north alone has 60 million muslim{not counting the south},half of that number are innocent youths who can be easily radicalized.
Do you think that we should take proactive measures of closing our borders and acquiring more military hardwares,especially long range missiles,stealth fighter jets and more wardrones?

Nigeria's current new weapons/equipment purchases and manpower training with Russia, Ukraine, China, Israel, Pakistan, Belarus, Czech, Romania, Poland, etc will all continue and grow for the next couple of years, we will be able to defeat ISIS if they attack us.

However, the first West/Central African victims of Libyan ISIS will be Chad, Niger République and Cameroon. Chad cannot defeat the kind of ISIS that is beating up Iraq.

The weaknesses of Chadian military is already showing with small Boko Haram, they were invited to save Cameroon, but Chad sent a whole 2,000 troop regiment to attack about 800 Bokos inside Nigeria, they were so tactically stupiid that they though they had killed all the Bokos who actually beat the Chadian army with a tactical maneuver (Copied from Nigerian army) tricked them by entering Cameroon to start attacking targets behind the foolish Chadian army's backside....100 Cameroonian civilians killed and 500 wounded by Bokos inside Cameroon that was under Chadian heavy protection ! 2,000 Chadian troops beaten with combat tactics by 800 Boko Haram fighters.

Second mess up by Chad was when 33 Bokos used boats to cross lake Chad and kill Chadians in their homes including a major town Chief of the Chadians, as usual Bokos out-maneuvered the senseless Chadian army that was in the same zone sitting down inside Nigeria's Baga town boasting to be liberating Nigeria while 33 illiterate Bokos where drinking Chadian blood freely like Coca-Cola just across the same border position .

Third combat idiiocy was a Chadian air force jet fighter pilot unable to differentiate between innocent and unarmed civilians in Niger Republique having a funeral ceremony, the Chadian jet bombed the h.ell out of 30 civilians, roasted women and children in BROAD DAYLIGHT....blind bat air force of Chad !

Now this is the same Chad that the whole world of fools (Only fools) say is better than Nigeria in battlefield.....3 unpardonable tactical combat errors in 15 days costing hundreds of innocent civilian lives in 3 countries at the same time !

Chad is indeed a rag tag army of military fools, ISIS will eat them up if they clash in full force
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