₦airaland Forum

MikeZA:
Remember Nigeria needs SA than we do need NA.

We don't buy arms from Nigeria

You were the bloke who claimed Nigeria had an advanced defence industry than SA?

MikeZA:
If that's the case why is Nigeria seeking SA arms then?

Fools that you wanna buy arms from?

Your money will be used to produce advanced systems for SA.

Patchesagain:
Dont need to.

Its pretty obvious those are civilian casualties.

Patchesagain:
The most discipline army in Africa?

Where it is well known that large numbers of men support BH?

Where human rights abuses are well catalogued

Where men mutiny?

Desert?

Refuse to return to the front?

Where corruption in your military is rife?

In the huge military operation in the north east, where Boko Haram operates, which has been in place since a state of emergency was imposed in 2013, there are complaints by army members. These soldiers have often claimed that their budgeted allowance for dangerous field duties are shaved off by commanders, leaving them with less than 50% in some cases.

After protests by some aggrieved soldiers in Maiduguri, the army spokesman attributed their complaints to the absence of a commander who was away on training. The soldiers were dismissed as mutinous, and handed to a military court. Yet, the reality is that troops endure horrific conditions – they often lack tents or sleeping bags, many must scavenge for firewood to cook and they live a destitute life – hardly the motivation or replenishment required to fight a violent and constant aggressor.
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2014/jul/11/boko-haram-nigeria-violence-corruption-security

Your military is a indiciplined-rabble!

Patchesagain:
Better yet.

Show us where it says that dead BH fighters are included in those casualty reports from TWP

Also, I see you are proud of your army behaving like savages and mutilating bodies.

CraigB:
People think that I am joking around when I say the naai-gerian military is rubbish. Just look at the sort of "intelligence" coming out of their ranks.

Chibok Abduction: Senior officer misled Nigerian military – Defence Chief


https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/169220-chibok-abduction-senior-officer-misled-nigerian-military-defence-chief.html


By the by, what was assumed to be a ragtag group is now described as a "significant security challenge". How times have changed.

Patchesagain:
Yes i forgot... dead civilians are all "boko"

GreenandGold:
Explain operational Agububu?
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CraigB:
This curve is attached for your enjoyment. Read it and weep Augububu. The trend is that of utter sheer uselessness. And these are only conservative numbers.

CraigB:
This curve is attached for your enjoyment. Read it and weep Augububu. The trend is that of utter sheer uselessness. And these are only conservative numbers.

Msauza:
Have you heard that your military is in fact accused of bribing and threatening journalists of local media houses to only report positively about military against Boko haram. Ballooning number of casualties against Boko haram and discouraging media to report about their own casualty. Propaganda does not win the war.

Have you also asked yourself why other major media houses do not report lies that those small media houses are writing on the net.

Henry120:
Yeah, Cry me a river. All he said, we are all aware of. It's only a re-confirmation of known facts.

Now go buy some aviation fuel dammit.

patches689:
That is the testimony of a vehemently anti-arms deal critic, obviously it is biased as hell

He is a filthy pacifist that says even having an army is unconstitutional and that we should disband the SANDF and only have border guards and a coast guard.

His opinion is worthless. And he will be exposed under cross-examination.

For example he says we have no pilots for the Gripen and Hawks - yet we currently have a total of 60

The other anti-arms deal activists withdrew form the commission because they know that they have no case. Especially after Navy and Airforce officers blew the "wrong equipment" argument out of the water

Henry120 post=26991774

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Agaugust, chris369, patches689, MikeZA, greenandgold, naijapikingidi, dievuilt

The Uselessness of the SANDF.


[size=16pt]South Africa’s Arms Deal Toys Rotting

October 9, 2014 [/size]


Weapons acquired during the 1999 arms deal are not being used and are becoming derelict, the Seriti Commission of Inquiry heard on Tuesday (October 7, 2014).

“With regards to the 30 Augusta helicopters purchased from Italy, I am informed that many of them are in storage and unused or rotting at Ysterplaat Air Force Base in Cape Town,” arms deal critic Terry Crawford-Browne told the inquiry’s hearings in Pretoria.

“Accordingly, I invite the commission’s members to inspect Ysterplaat, to see for themselves how many there are in their state of airworthiness.”

He said government acquired four frigates that were reportedly equipped with defective engines and an obsolete combat suite and armoury system.

“South Africa acquired three submarines that spend most of the time on the ‘hard’ at Simon’s Town and 50 BAE Hawk and BAE/Saab Gripen fighter aircraft for which the country had almost no pilots to fly them, mechanics to maintain them, or even the money to fuel them.

“The arms deal was a confidence trick played at huge socio-economic cost to the people of South Africa, which has seriously undermined our still-fragile constitutional democracy,” said Crawford-Browne.

The commission was appointed by President Jacob Zuma three years ago to investigate alleged corruption in the arms procurement deal in 1999.

For billions of rands government acquired, among other hardware, 26 Gripen fighter aircraft and 24 Hawk lead-in fighter trainer aircraft for the air force, and frigates and submarines for the navy.

Crawford-Browne said former deputy defence minister Nozizwe Madlala-Routledge was told by senior navy officials that the country had bought the wrong equipment.

“Ms Madlala-Routledge has by e-mail authorised me to reveal this,” he said.

Madlala-Routledge was deputy defence minister from 1999 to April 2004 and deputy health minister from April 2004 to August 2007.

Crawford-Browne said billions spent on these purchases could have been used to improve the lives of South Africans.

“While millions of South Africans struggle daily with the legacies of apartheid and poverty, these men childishly expounded about their pride in so-called toys for boys and other irrelevances,” he said in his affidavit to the inquiry.

“Astonishingly, a purported justification for the acquisition of the BAE Gripen warplanes included protection for the 2010 World Cup.”

The inquiry continues.

As reported by South African Press Association


#bookmarked !

CraigB:
Rubbish military

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nigeria-boko-haram-torch-185-churches-captured-towns-borno-adamawa-1468763

A prominent Nigerian reverend has revealed Islamist terror group Boko Haram destroyed over 180 churches in the West African country following its capture of towns and villages in the north-eastern states of Borno and Adamawa.

Reverend Gideon Obasogie, the director of Catholic Social Communication of Maiduguri Diocese in Borno State, said the group's seizure of territory in both states has seen 185 churches torched and over 190,000 people displaced by their insurgency.

In his statement, Obasogie said Boko Haram's "ransacking and torching" of churches had forced priests to leave their homes for two months while displaced civilians were still unable to return to their towns and villages.

PHOTO : REMINDER OF SHEKAU'S DEATH BY NIGERIAN ARMY BULLET, SEE HIS ASSISTANT, WE CUT OFF HIS D..I..C..K

CraigB:
Who's the primate?

MikeZA:
Keep them coming.

This further proves SA doesn't need Nigeria,but you need us.

MikeZA:
When is Nigeria going to cut the middleman in their arms purchases?

Cause it seems if this continues,SA will be making money of their incompetence.

Msauza:
You are desperately trying to discredit SAAF significant contribution in Korean war to no avail. However, the fact remains, SA was there and Nigeria was no where to be found.

patches689:
Yet again you lie to us

Nowhere does it say that all they planes were shot down by the NK army- you just made that up

First, we lost around 78 planes in over 12 000 sorties. We lost one plane for every 153 missions we flew!!! That is an astounding figure!!!
- not to mention that the UN lost over 1000 planes in the conflict. So we contributes over 20% of the ground kills for 0.7% of the "cost"

Second, Russian piloted Mig15s appeared in Korea from October 15th 1950 onwards.

Third, we accounted for 20% of UN ground kills- what percentage of aircraft did we send?

Fourth, out contribution is recognized by presidential citations
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Fifth, we didn't ONLY fly ground attack - it says mainly, do you know the difference between mainly and only? [/size]

No one cares about your opinion. Our contribution and our skills are well known and well proven. Not to mention we showed ourselves to be more professional than the mighty USAF

Their own commanders said we were the best in their entire air-contingent at ground attack. That's right, the American Airforce, the best in the world, happily used us as an example of how to conduct such operations!!!!

Maybe you should show us just one instance of nigeria flying against an enemy with an Airforce or modern equipment - better yet, show us any one example of Nigerian pilots getting into air-to-air combat!!! Just one!!

Lol, you have your jets showt down by boko haram!!!


As for your empty threats: BRING IT ON

Msauza:
Let the glory go to west African forces.

Msauza:
Nigeria failed to win against BOKO HARAM now, the war will be fought by the force which will be put by the whole of west Africa, looking that Nigerian Army is too weak to win this war. It was clear that they needed a helping hand from their neighbouring brothers. My final findings are that:

NIGERIAN MILITARY IS INCAPABLE AND THATS FINAL!!!!!!

FACT!!!! FACT!!!!! FACT!!!!! FACT!!!!! FACT!!! FACT!!!

Msauza:
Nigeria failed to win against BOKO HARAM now, the war will be fought by the force which will be put by the whole of west Africa, looking that Nigerian Army is too weak to win this war. It was clear that they needed a helping hand from their neighbouring brothers. My final findings are that:

NIGERIAN MILITARY IS INCAPABLE AND THATS FINAL!!!!!!

FACT!!!! FACT!!!!! FACT!!!!! FACT!!!!! FACT!!! FACT!!!

GreenandGold:
Agububu

I'm still waiting for you to show us the link which states that "Cubans showed South Africans hot pepper"....

Patchesagain:
Dude, are you being serious?

First, dont lecture me about tactics and strategry... if it wasnt for me you would have no idea what schwerpunkt and deep penetration operations were.

Second, you are not differentiating between defensive operations taken up against M23 (which largely failed) and offensive operations against the M23 (which only the FIB was madated to take part in)

Third, those 20 000 men are spread out across a country the size of western europe. And none have the mandate for offensive operations against the M23 or other groups. And most werent even in East Kivu at all!!

Finally, you gunna have to back your BS up with citations. Show us that Tanzania saw more combat than us

We contributed the most troops and equipment.

We get the lions share of the glory

Patchesagain:
Ok, you wanna talk stats, lets talk stats.

We lost 76% of the Mustangs we deployed... that is to be expected considering we were flying propellor driven arifcraft against enemy jet-aircraft

Once we were equipped with modern Jet aircraft (hello you sex.y sabre) our losses dropped down to 18% - because we had the right equipment for the job.

You say it was a failure?

http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/history/saaf/korea

Conclusion: We kicked allot of a.s.s in korea

Take your simpleton arguments elsewhere

MikeZA:
Lol.

A well read individual=/=A bloke who hunts articles on google.


Presenting a link to us doesn't show how well knowledgeable you are,about whatever topic we might be discussing.

You're NOT putting any argument forward,but simply presenting articles which are biased in nature.

Answer questions and back then up:

Here's one: On which front did Tz troops lead Saffers?

lezz:
ok let me look up the United Nations archives.. .. . . . . . . . . . . .


i have looked and findeth nought.. The best i could come up with are multi national operations SA was not leading but were part of. SA's military is a sharp semblance of her foreign policy.... not well tuned or directed.

MikeZA:
You don't know SA military history.

Come back with FACTS. OK?