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GreenandGold:
and again Abububu, show us a link where Cubans "popped up behind our lines and showed us hot pepper".

If you don't, I will get a Zulu witch to strike you with lighting wherever you are you piece of nothing.

I have told you I will NOT waste my time repeating same old posts that are already available on this forum from past arguments. Also, I won't be an agent of google search for any stupiid South African. Then I won't waste my time with liars, see what happened above on this page, I spent 2 hours of my precious time replying your posts with sources last night, I proved everything and you still replied...."Show us proof again".

Look dude, I don't get paid salary on Nairaland, I have already learnt to ignore many South African comments because you guys lose an argument when we show prove, and then you still ask for proof, and keep asking again for the same proof to be repeated for you, why don't you also spend your own time to google facts and counter our comments ? Am I your employee under your command?

See, I don't care how many lies you South Africans tell here, the Nigerians/Kenyans reading this blog knows who is posting facts even if you dispute it.

Go search for sources and disprove any claims here, especially neutral sources, not South African propaganda sources.

As for your witchcraft threat, the God of Adeboye and Obadare will roast both you and your witches alive with fire and brimstone in Jesus name amen !
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Patchesagain:
Actually.

M23 were only engaged offensively by the FIB

FIB is composed of 3 Nations

South Africa is the biggest contributor to the formation.

Is interesting how you can just tell lies, because you dont want to debate who is stronger, you just want to fuel your obsessive lies about RSA. Which shows me that you know we are stronger.

Final air combat was done by South Africa, Ukraine and India, the latter two are not FIB members. Tanzania led the final ground assault with planning input from Brazil as overall commander.

The other countries in the UN mission provided garrison and back up to the 3 frontliners, if there was no garrison, M23 rebels will pop up behind the frontline FIB and show you the hot pepper Cuba showed South Africa in Angola.

In war, armies have van-guard, flank-guard, rear-guard, and garrison to hold positions fixed.

The Congo war involved all these countries in various roles mentioned above, 20,000 soldiers and combat helicopters from.....

Algeria, Bangladesh, Belgium, Benin, Bolivia, Brazil, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Canada, China, Czech Republic, Egypt, France, Ghana, Guatemala, Guinea, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Jordan, Kenya, Malawi, Malaysia, Mali, Mongolia, Morocco, Nepal, Niger, Nigeria, Pakistan, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, Romania, Russian Federation, Senegal, Serbia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Sweden, Switzerland, Tunisia, Ukraine, United Kingdom, United Republic of Tanzania, United States, Uruguay, Yemen and Zambia.

All under United Nations command led by Brazil. Let this be the last time this matter will be treated here.

Stop claiming Congo DRC war as a South African achievement for the sake of morality and common sense !!!!

https://faridabadmetro.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/faridabad_news_metro_august_3_2012_Indian_Peacekeepers_in_Congo3.jpg

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Patchesagain:
[size=15pt]LIES, LIES and MORE LIES[/size]


Cuba almost defeated South Africa and you ran to UN for mediation and peace negotiations to settle the war on a round table talk party.

Cuba never came close to defeating us.

If they didnt win a single battle... in the whole war... against only a fraction of our army... how did they allmost defeat us?

And we enforced our terms on them

Korea, South Africa only fought visibly in the air with American donated warplanes and 70% of them were sh.ot down by North Korea, SADF wasted almost all the fighter planes America gave you.

Where does it say we lost 70%? Just another imaginary fact from a man who was fooled by internet rusemasters!!!

We also acheived a US Presidential Unit Citation (one of only a handfull of non american units to get that award)
We also acheived a Korean Presidential Unit Citation.

And the USAF unit we were attached to now sings our National Anthem during their parades.

Beat that.

#Wrecked

Soviet Bloc countries? When did South Africa fight USSR? The fact that your country still exists today proves you never challenged Soviet Union.

Soviets in Angola during the war:

According to the Russian Union of Veterans of Angola, nearly 300,000 servicemen and 50,000 civilians had lived and worked in Angola from 1975 to 1989.
http://english.pravda.ru/world/africa/19-03-2012/120826-angola-0/

Afghanistan fought Russia.... their country still exists

Angola-Mozambique, the armies of MPLA and FRELIMO you fought against are now ruling those countries because SADF failed to crush them, so South Africa lost as usual.

Never was our objective to crush them.

So you dont know what you are talking about as usual

Coming from a nation that has never fought in an advanced conventional war... i find your comments not only to be wrong, but hilarious.

The 300,000 Russian servicemen, were they soldiers that fought South Africa's 4,000 man army inside Angola?

I take it you don't know what that weblink story was saying due to poor comprehension on your part.

4,000 South African Soldiers will fight 300,000 Russian + 50,000 Cuban soldiers for 15 years and South African army will survive that?

Did your 250 SANDF men survive beyond 13 hours against 1,500 Seleka men?

When a weblink story is ridiculous, I ignore it. Somebody wrote a story on internet does not make it true, internet is a free zone for anyone who can post there like you SA guys pump lies into Nairaland forums.

On the Korean war, you should consult the archives, or how many times will I repeat the same old story for every foolish South African whose brain cannot do a simple google search?

"According to the UN Korean War Allied Association, a total of 826 South Africans served in the Korean War. 243 were Air Force officers and 545 were Ground Personnel. 38 army officers and men served as part of the first Commonwealth Division. 37 South Africans gave their lives. 11 South Africans are interred at the UNMCK in Busan. Eight prisoners of war were returned. Aircraft losses amounted to 74 out of 97 Mustangs and 4 out of 22 Sabres."

http://www.southafrica-embassy.or/eng/sankorea/korean_war.php

proved, South African air force lost about 70% of the American donated fighter aircraft s.hot down by North Korean army, SAAF perfomance in Korean war is part of your traditional history of military failures, the list is very long.

Start learning how to use google to search and dispute things I say here and stop all this nonsense of asking me to prove things, I have posted many of these same things over and over again before you joined this forum, I have no obligation to waste my time repeating old sources to satisfy any South African here, you guys don't pay me for my time, so get ready to use your own time to do fact finding on google because I might just ignore many demands for sources.

I have better things to do with my time than waste it for some 33% brainers from Soweto cage
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GreenandGold:
Training (like the one the SANDF gets) is sufficient to cover up for experience.

90% of the US soldiers that fought in the Gulf War had no experience while Iraq had all her troops experienced in the Iraq/Iran war.

We all know how it turned out, experience didn't count for much when properly trained US Forces came bones-crashing the Iraqis.

Experience don't count for war you say, because South African military has almost ZERO experience today.

What if it was the other way round, and Nigerian military is the one with ZERO experience while South Africa has all experience, will you still come here and say experience does not count in war? Be honest with yourself.

America deployed 2.5 million soldiers to Vietnam war and the war ended about 15 years before Gulf war, this is in response to the bolded part of your comment above. http://www.statisticbrain.com/vietnam-war-statistics/

Please stop posting false information from your private mind here, do a simple google search before you type on your laptop, we don't want to eat your lies for dinner
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GreenandGold:
*clearing throat *

- The SANDF Special Forces killed the M23 Generals
- The SAAF Rooivalk bombarded the rebels out of their bases and who so ever survived left the Congo.


So which part here is the world's?

Stop posting lies here dude, the exploits of Tanzanian army and Ukranian air force in Congo war against M23 rebels have been posted here many times, please don't drag us backward to be repeating same stories/facts we already proved. Bring up something new o jare !

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Centrifude:
That is why sometimes I don't even bother responding to most of that guys comments he twists facts and he's almost 90% always historically incorrect when he writes about past events, he changes the subject when he get cornered.

Prove me wrong if you can. I posted a long essay with sources on South Africa's role in Korean war, I repeated it twice last year and shocked everybody, even @Andrewza and @Snydergyp were shocked to read sources that 70% of Fighter aircraft donated by America to South African air force were flown by your pilots and s.hot down by the North Koreans, the whole American donation was a big waste because your pilots performed so badly in combat. Google information is free for all, dump that your cellphone with low browsing megabytes and go buy a laptop even if it is second-hand
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MikeZA:
All this evidence the Nigerian military will still deny their pilot?

http://abusidiqu.com/heroic-last-minute-details-nigeria-airforce-alpha-jet-shot-boko-haram/

The issue is a mysterious one I won't take sides on.

NAF denies the pilots, why not? He has not been communicating with NAF HQ for the past 25 days.

Nobody has had any contact with the man, so who was with him in the Alpha jet to fly suicide crash into Boko Haram columns?

Who counted the number of dead Bokos at 63 and reported it to newspapers? Who was there when it happened? Who?

You SA guys think I just knock you hard on Seleka battle 'casualty' rate for no reason, but no, it's simple common sense, who was there to count the 1,000 dead Seleka rebels? The same South African army that was overrun and running to the airport for survival?

Have you ever seen a retreating army playing around the battlefield counting dead bodies of his enemies?

Lets just use common sense sometimes
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GreenandGold:
Does getting the M23 out of Congo not count as "international performance"?

United Nations military force of over 12 countries defeated M23 rebels in Congo, and Tanzanian army commanded and led South African army into battle.

Please don't come and 419 scam us here by stealing the glory of the whole world and claiming in for South Africa.

I laugh as you South Afrians daily search your country's military war history, struggling and sweating to find even one clear victory to post on Nairaland....keep struggling and searching, SANDF log book of war victory is a empty page !

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MikeZA:
All products from the 80s were designed to meet the needs of the then SADF not exports. Operational requirements for the war in Angola,and what shape the battlefield might take in the 90s if nothing changed.

SA had air deliverable nuclear weapons.

Attempts were on "mounting" them on ICBMs.

Countries?

Cuba,North Korea,Soviet blog countries,Angola to Mozambique.


GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOPE, YOU PROVE YOUR CLAIMS WITH HISTORICAL FACTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cuba almost defeated South Africa and you ran to UN for mediation and peace negotiations to settle the war on a round table talk party.

Korea, South Africa only fought visibly in the air with American donated warplanes and 70% of them were sh.ot down by North Korea, SADF wasted almost all the fighter planes America gave you.

Soviet Bloc countries? When did South Africa fight USSR? The fact that your country still exists today proves you never challenged Soviet Union.

Angola-Mozambique, the armies of MPLA and FRELIMO you fought against are now ruling those countries because SADF failed to crush them, so South Africa lost as usual.

Your list surprisingly avoids C.A.R Seleka rebels, you swept that under the carpet because you don't want this forum to humiliate South African army again for your loss to illiterate farmer and teenage rebels who now use captured South African equipment as their own without paying you for transfer of ownership because SANDF ran away in broad daylight.

The whole history of South African military has ZERO record of victory, it's all stalemate or defeat....and you do NOT qualify to judge Nigerian army or even that of Kenya.

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MikeZA:
Have you read or seen BH latest propaganda video?

So you know all along that Boko Haram spreads propaganda and not truth ! Wow ! Great confession !

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sambos994:
Damn...the heat turned up since i was gone

NAF bought Su-30 Flanker and JF-17 Thunder world class jets in your absence, we pop champange drink booze mix am with palm wine
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patches689:
Do I need to explain why I highlighted that part of your post?

Ok, you are pretty dense, so i will:

- Boko Haram, literally means death to western education
- has a history of attacking schools
- school in question is in a contested area
- the state not providing protection

Clown.

Also, lets just take a second to consider the utter incompetance of the Nigerian military that allows a group of 400 men to rove around the countryside undetected.

Same way Rhino poachers are having fun moving around inside South Africa undetected, until they defeated SANDF and Botswana came to your rescue. Shame !

You live in a glass house, look well before you throw stones
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GreenandGold:
I wouldn't say much if I were you

...because there is nothing much to boast about 400 heavily armed men kidnapping 200 teenage school girls who had no protection, it's pure cowardice not bravery, isn't it?

There are hundreds of Nigerian women soldiers in the war zones, why don't Boko Haram go kidnap those ones

Mumu.
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GreenandGold:
Russia =/= Nigeria

I don't remember Chechen rebels taking town after town of Russia.... as you said, Chechnya was where it took place.

Chechnya is the Islamic part of Russia same as North East is the Islamic part of Nigeria.

Nigeria has 1,000 times more Islamist radicals than Russia, yet we have less casualty rates and better battle results despite Russia having 1,000 times more weapons than Nigeria.

Proved, Naija army is best COIN war fighters in the world today 2014. South African army wishes they have our experience and track record of the past 20 years . We fight today, SANDF sleeps at home and want to judge us, LOL, you are NOT qualified to judge Nigerian military, I would rather accept judgement even if unfair from Kenya, Uganda, Ethiopian armies that have recently fought against Islamist like El Shabbab.

When combat tested armies of Africa 2014 are talking, South African army should just shut up and watch the show on internet and tv while they lazily enjoy life at home with their wives.

Your argument is thrash, your SANDF is currently 99% jobless and having fun

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GreenandGold:
If the military is compromised from within it is therefore weak.

Nope, it actually means Nigerian army is strong. The world power Roman army was compromised from within and it collapsed before the Babarian army until the whole empire of Rome fell into pieces. War history for you
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GreenandGold:
Countries with strong armies don't have civilians challenging the state army on battlefields... it's a privilege allocated for weak states such as Somali, DRC and Nigeria.

Russia was challenged and massacred in battle on it's own spoil by civilian Chechnya rebels that k.illed thousands of Russian army men.

Seleka that is smoking cigar on top of South African army vehicles they captured are civilains.....including teenagers

https://www.timeslive.co.za/Feeds/Reuters_Images/2013/04/01/mdf97356-25-03-2013-23-03-46-863.jpg/ALTERNATES/crop_630x400/MDF97356-25-03-2013-23-03-46-863.jpg

[img]http://www.fondationchirac.eu/wp-content/uploads/ChildSoldier2.jpg[/img]



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MikeZA:
No weapons just simple speculation.

Fuelled by certain people we know.

The sources include Nigerian minister for finance with her name, Nigeria army and air force cheif of staffs with their names, and of course it was so real defenceweb of South Africa published it and joined the list of sources.

Please don't die of envy
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patches689:
Dont mind us, just flexing our muscles


http://www.enca.com/media/video/sandf-ready-take-continent%E2%80%99s-troublemakers?playlist=108

These illiterate guys say you have NO muscles

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Centrifude:
Show me 50 dead soldiers and I'll show you
names!!

Plus #show us
The Tucano
The Su-30s
The T-72s
The j-17s
And The Chinooks you bragged about for days on end?
The list goes on and on and on.

We are not talking about weapons purchases, or else I will ask for proof that SANDF has Mokopa ATGM in service as you SA guys have claimed for the past 4 years on this thread !!!!

Now you say SANDF cannot hide 50 deaths, then Seleka cannot hide all the 1,000 deaths too because foreign media and civilians were there.

We have shown you names and photos, you have replied with NOTHING....ZERO EVIDENCE of your own mythical claims !


It's about C.A.R Bangui war, all the dead photos and names we see are South African soldiers, so you show us photos of just 6 and names of only 3 among the 1,000 Seleka rebels SANDF killed in battle of Bangui, or else our evidence stands that.....

No Single Seleka Rebel Was Killed By SANDF in Central African Republic

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Centrifude:
@NaijaPikinGidi

Show me 50 dead soldiers and I'll show you names!!

@Centrifude

We have shown photos of dozens and names of half a dozen Bokos killed by Nigerian army

We have shown photos and names of 15 SANDF killed by Seleka

#ShowUs Photos Of Just 6 AndNames Of 3 ofThe 1,000Seleka Rebels KilledBySANDF

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https://en.starafrica.com/news/files/2013/06/afp/photo_1370875776291-1-0.jpg

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Helghast:
Hmmm you purposely forced this whole C.A.R argument into a 'Stale Mate', well played!!

Probably the main reason you asked for their own death statistics.
Well played!!

He played to the gallery, foul and over the bar, here is a chellenge.....

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patches689:
Prepare yourself.

http://beegeagle./2010/04/10/an-appraisal-on-the-state-of-the-nigerian-military-in-2009/

What's your point exactly? It's a nice cool story, but outdated 5 years ago information, try and update yourself.....


http://beegeagle./2014/05/25/china-donate-unnamed-combat-vessel-to-the-nigerian-navy-handover-formalities-already-initiated/

http://www.brimtime.com/2014/10/weapons-arrived-nigerian-troops-fight-boko-haram-okonjo-iweala.html

http://allafrica.com/view/group/main/main/id/00031652.html

http://thenationonlineng.net/new/belarus-to-supply-12-helicopters-to-nigerian-air-force/

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34330:nigerian-air-force-buying-new-combat-aircraft&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107


http://www.tribune.com.ng/news/top-stories/item/14864-b-haram-fg-acquires-12-fighter-jets-sect-kills-14-in-borno-jonathan-african-leaders-in-kenya-over-terrorism-allegations-against-ihejirika-absurd-fani-kayode/14864-b-haram-fg-acquires-12-fighter-jets-sect-kills-14-in-borno-jonathan-african-leaders-in-kenya-over-terrorism-allegations-against-ihejirika-absurd-fani-kayode

https://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110909040744/battlefield/images/9/99/BF2EF_New_Weapons.png

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Henry120:
Why are there multiple hidden comments in this thread?

@DeVluit insulted @Naijapinkin yesterday and looped his family into it, Oga come vex show him internet koboko, na so all those comments vanish enter pit-latrine o! One day a South African will open his mouth here and find out all his teeth are gone overnight !

Ah, Chineke mo !
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NaijaPikinGidi:
SIMPLICITY is the ultimate sophistication. I dey my own jeje.

Oga the 'things' don vanish patata for this page o, all those comments don enter inside shalanga latrine

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MikeZA:
Butt hurt?

Your own medicine hard to swallow?

Since you get butt hurt so easily,how about we stick to strict military discussions only

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Who has ever done exactly that on this thread? Everybody once in a while posts NON-MILITARY comments and we feast on it for a while, then return to our normal military food. No big deal, all we need is to use common sense and avoid crossing the line. I avoid any negative reference to anybody's family. I can cast jokes about your friends, but not your family
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NaijaPikinGidi:
The latest McDonald burger meal in Thokoza! It comes with their favourite two (2) litre Coke.

You'll be amused at how seven people with straws guzzle down that 2 litre bottle of coke!

#forReal

Kai ! Okoko-Bioko !

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Patchesagain:
"Its true because I want it to be"

Prove that he is who he says he is.

Simple request

He wrote SADF and Executive Outcomes ops there in detail. Beegealge has personal contact with him....You prove he is NOT !

http://beegeagle./2014/03/01/nigerian-troops-kill-13-boko-haram-terrorists-arrest-15-others-in-raid-on-camp/

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Patchesagain:
No, Saddam flat out lost the war against Iran, despite having the whole world supporting him.

Nope, Eben has dozens of comments on Beegeagle, you want me to search 4 years of individual posts on a blog that has 3 million hits?

Sorry you have to be craaaazy all alone, I won't join you, you go read through the whole blog, I have proved Colonel Eben comments there, and this final one is enough proof....

Hey clown, re-read my first post.

You cannot prove he is who he says he is. So you dont actually have any verifiable proof at all. Thus, yet again, you have been making baseless claims.

Simple.
As.
That.

See why I said it is a waste of time proving things to you, meanwhile I drop another one below and leave you to enjoy yourself alone on this thread, when you fiond no one to chat with, your head will regain half-functionality. Bye !

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Patchesagain:
HAHAHAHA!!!

And what did Saddam Hussein acheive for Iraq? He lost 3 wars!

And again, you have no idea of the complexity of the aquisition of new equipment. Doctrinal studies, logistical studies, inter-operatability studies all need to be done before you can even begin to look at assets.

I sincerely hope your military does not rely on begugugug for inspiration... as if they do, then that is utterly humiliating.

And well done, someone wrote their name as Eben... and now you want us to beleive this is some Col Eben? This is your proof?

What a joke.

Hold on, i am going to go create an account and call myself "Petraeus" and say "well done" so that you can say that Begugugugug is a friend with General Petraeus

You said you can confirm it.

So confirm it.

Saddam held Iran to a draw in an 8 year war.

Saddam lost 2 wars against the whole world led by mighty America/NATO, even South Africa's Military Academy trained Generals will lose same battle in one day with your pack of cowards that run from Seleka and get robbed of their weapons by hooligans in Sudan


Nope, Eben has dozens of comments on Beegeagle, you want me to search 4 years of individual posts on a blog that has 3 million hits?

Sorry you have to be craaaazy all alone, I won't join you, you go read through the whole blog, I have proved Colonel Eben comments there, and this final one is enough proof....

http://beegeagle./2014/03/01/nigerian-troops-kill-13-boko-haram-terrorists-arrest-15-others-in-raid-on-camp/

Now listen up dude, there are many things you ask and I don't bother to prove to you, not because there is no proof, but because sometimes I realize you are not worth all the time and effort, a fool will always be a fool, there is no medical cure for it

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GreenandGold:
So where is the plane? You can't find a simple trainer, how do you think you will perform against a bird of prey - the Gripen.

Then ask SANDF to go find your long list of MISSING jets and AAA gunfire downed jets, as well as the ones that collided in mid air during training, your history in SAAF is worse than that of Nigeria.....Fool

23rd November 1993
SAAF Mirage F.1AZ 234 1 Sqn at Hoedspruit Crashed into the Atlantic Ocean 50 miles

south south west of Cape Point Cpt.
Louis Joubert managed to eject in level attituted 330ft., 500kt. Lost presumed drowned

....And the South African air force crash+missing+lost forever list is endlessly long....

http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/Country-By-Country/South_Africa.htm

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Patchesagain:
First, if your military takes the advice of a blogist whom has no military experince or no staff college training, then that is pathetic. Seriously, do you have any idea how complex the decision on what equipment to aquire is?

and second, if you say Col Barlow is confirmed friend of Beegeagle, then you wont mind confirming it for us with proof.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Beegeagle is a military genius. Saddam Hussein has ZERO military training or experience, he is a Civilian.

Many civilians have led wars that defeated Military Generals.

A genius is a genius, envy him if you wish. Nigerian military recognizes Beegeagle as a rare breed genius. You have no such person in South Africa today....envy Beegeagle as much as you want. No South African has the brain to create an equal to Nairaland, so you all flock here like lost sheep to be shepherded by a Nigerian Oluwaseun Osewa the creator of Nairaland....Brainless 50 million South Africans with ZERO creativity.

http://beegeagle./2012/07/15/attention-sss-former-mercenary-signs-850-million-nigerian-oil-deal/

http://beegeagle./2014/05/14/cnn-special-nigerians-right-to-be-wary-of-u-s-intentions-beegeagle-bares-his-mind-to-cnn/

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