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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:14pm On Jan 06, 2016*

Patchesagain:
Again, why do you think that we would care?

We have Hawks

Hawks are jets

Hawks drop PGMs... even during Apartheid we choose to build expensive jets for COIN CAS instead of pathetically slow prop driven aircraft

[size=15pt]and the killer blow:

SAAF operates 60 Pilatus PC-7's

Armament
Hardpoints: 6 × hardpoints for bombs and rockets with a capacity of 1,040 kg (2,294 lb)[31][/size]

[size=14pt] Your SAAF Pilatus have not been armed for 20 YEARS and will NEVER be [/size] grin

NAF has dozens Alpha jets and Albatross jet for trainers. Our Super Mushak will replace the Super Tucano we cancelled in 4th Gen COIN role

Go die of envy....ALL Southies go die ! Oil rich countries like Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Nigeria, all fly Super Mushak, big league !
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:59pm On Jan 06, 2016

Patchesagain:
1. You are getting it as a trainer

2. "4th gen COIN Aircraft" what the fvck are you talking about?

Finally, why would we get slow and low prop driven planes when we have Hawks which can drop PGM's and are super cheap to operate?

Dude, I fail to see how bragging about things you dont have would make you feel good.

Both roles, trainer + COIN that is what the Super Mushak is built for....it's a bad day for you, NAF is flying above SAAF with new aircraft rolling in to rock the skies and contest the Sub Saharan African airspace with ANYBODY !

"Missiles and gunpods of the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex's aircraft

The MFI-395 is fitted with six hardpoints under the wing pylons. The inner two stressed hardpoints can carry up to 150kg each. The remaining four carry rockets, gunpods and Bofor Bantam anti-tank missiles."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mfi-395-super-mushshak-trainer-aircraft/

Go die of envy....ALL Southies go die ! Oil rich countries like Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Nigeria, all fly Super Mushak, big league !
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:53pm On Jan 06, 2016

FighterPilot:
CAN A JUNK FIGHTER INTERCEPT GRIPEN SPEEDING AT MACH 1.8? JUST ASKING.

Can JAS Gripen Junk Aircraft Systems....JAS means Junk Aircraft Systems....can Gripen match JF-17 that flies at 52,000 feet, higher by 2,000 feet above the Gripen?

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:47pm On Jan 06, 2016

Patchesagain:
- Tucano
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32881:nigeria-interested-in-buying-super-tucanos&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

- Scoprion
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=37048:nigeria-looking-to-buy-scorpion-jets&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

- Su30/35
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/why-are-african-countries-buying-all-these-high-tech-jet-fighters-55a07133bc79#.mdzn1q513

- Oplot
https://beegeagle./2014/09/20/nigeria-in-the-hunt-for-advanced-ukrainian-buily-t84-oplot-tanks-first-two-units-spotted-at-an-airport-preparatory-to-being-exported-in-ukraine/

- 100 T72 (ended up with less than 30)

- A submarine, TWELVE Agusta A109 Power helicopters
TWELVE Eurocopter AS-550 Fennec naval attack choppers Landing Platform Dock, and TWO Logistics Ships.TWO corvettes,TWO LPDs,
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/navy-modernization.htm

We have heard this tale many many times.

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Nigerian military procurement process is still ONGOING and they can change one thing and replace with another thing.

Super Tucano is replaced with 10 Super Mushashak 4th Generation COIN aircraft for NAF !

SAAF has NO SINGLE dedicated COIN aircraft.

Southies go die of ENVY... tongue

https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/7179/images/143220/large/2-image.jpg

https://www.pafwallpapers.com/aircraft_gallery/Mushshak_gallery/mfi-17_super_mushak_trainer_pakistan_air_force_04_cockpit_garmin_instrumentation.jpg

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:36pm On Jan 06, 2016

Patchesagain:
And so?

It doesnt list any of the specifications you claim

The newspaper is not Nairaland argument forum, it does not intend to make list of any details for argument with fools like you grin

The source quotes the word Reconnaissance and it summarizes it all, and it was used in combat ops for recce. Proved.

NAF now has ...

3 Beechcraft 350i Reconnaissance

2 Beechcraft 350ER ISTAR

2 Diamond D42 ISR

2 ATR-42 MPA/ISTAR/ELINT/secondary role AWACS 407 km range radar

10 F-7 jets

3 JF-17 jets likely with BVR missiles, anti-radar, and anti-ship missiles like the Pakistani air force.

SAAF is dead on arrival....6 pilots for Gripen jet with no combat qualified pilots and no BVR missiles in 10 years tongue

[size=13pt] JF-17 Thunder is new King in Sub Saharan Africa 2016 [/size]
https://pafwallpapers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/zhuhai14-14.jpg
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:25pm On Jan 06, 2016

Patchesagain:
The assement was based on your EXISTING fleet you knob... they took your strike craft into consideration.

At the date of the publication or assessment, NN had not bought Falcon Eye and the new missile crafts on order. It has become an outdated publication, 2016 has changed EVERYTHING about that ranking.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:23pm On Jan 06, 2016

Patchesagain:
Nice VIP transport... dont you wish you had one of these??

LOL...NO ! Never ! Who wants SAAF aircraft that has analog cockpit ? grin

Even the Beechcraft 350i transports that we bought in 2014 have been re-configured for RECONNAISSANCE to join the earlier two Beechcraft 350ER ISTAR we had before.....We are besting you with a whole fleet of modern ISTAR aircraft plus JF-17 Thunder backing them up !

" The recent air operation against the BHTs was commanded by the Chief of the Air Staff, CAS, Air Marshal Sadique Abubakar from NAF reconnaissance aircraft, the King Air 350i. The CAS coordinated the various NAF platforms involved in the operation to provide close air support to ground forces, led by the Chief of the Army Staff, Lt Gen Tukur Buratai, as they advance from Dikwa to Gamboru Ngala."

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/188868-nigerian-air-force-intercepts-destroys-boko-haram-transport-trucks.html

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:17pm On Jan 06, 2016

Patchesagain:
So you admit the only reason the Paki's are buying them is because the Americans wont sell them F16's

Thanks for confirming that JF-17 replaces F-16. grin

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:16pm On Jan 06, 2016

Patchesagain:
[size=14pt]REMINDER: Argentina chose SECOND HAND Kafir Jets over the JF-17

Just want to make sure everyone knows this... [/size]

Show us where Argentina signed contract or budgeted cash for Kfir jet......and the Kfir has AESA radar so it beats even your SAAF Gripen !
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:15pm On Jan 06, 2016

Patchesagain:
[size=15pt]NIGERIA BTFO[/size]

Wait till Nigerian navy spends it's 2016 budget and see guided missile vessels in action, lots of refit going on and new orders being made.

Butt hurt, it's a bad day for ALL SOUTHIES on this thread....Badger IFV got whooped to death, JF-17 Thunder rises up against Gripen !

Happy day for Nigerians !

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:10pm On Jan 06, 2016

jln115:
PAF are not buying the JF17 to replace the F16, otherwise why are the still buying F16s?

I said on procurement, the F-16 was supposed to be their only frontline jet, the JF-17 came up because of USA sanctions and refusals on F-16 upgrade and massive sales inn large numbers. The Pakistani air force chief said that in the video. Are you deaf?

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:04pm On Jan 06, 2016

Patchesagain:
Why would we be jealous of 3 JF-17?

Why would we care about a cheap F16 copy that has acheived the lowly status of 3rd gen??

Bwahahaha....badly hurt....3rd gen aircraft do not have fly by wire like JF-17....Foooool Of Gauteng, give us the definition of 4th gen aircraft, I remember you asking for proof that a 2015 Su-30SM Flanker has radar warning receiver that is standard on jets since 1960s...you know NOTHING about air warfare and jet fighters....go cry about the enema overdose shots in ya anuz making ya shiiit in ya paants grin

LOL...25 to 40 JF-17 is the NAF decision, even your South African defenceweb knows that.....

"Nigeria, long targeted as a potential customer for the Chinese/Pakistani JF-17 Thunder jet, is close to ordering one or two squadrons , according to reports from Pakistan.

IHS Jane's Defence Weekly quoted a senior Pakistani Ministry of Defence official at the IDEAS 2014 exhibition in Pakistan as saying that Nigeria was close to signing a contract for the jets and that the Nigerian Air Force (NAF) has finalised its recommendations for the acquisition of 25-40 aircraft
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We will buy in batches....Defenceweb says NAF is ordering one or two squadrons for a start....go die of envy...

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:59pm On Jan 06, 2016

Patchesagain:
1. No, your BTRS are not protected against RPG's

Nigerian BTR-4 has cage armour and protected against RPG....your Badger has NONE !

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:56pm On Jan 06, 2016

Henry240:
Why don't you tell us what a 4 GEN fighter is, provide it's characteristics.

How can he? The guy is dying of envy where he is, this NAF JF-17 order will choke EVERY SOUTH AFRICAN on nairaland to death grin

It's hurting them read baaad and they are already in a state of confusion now !

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:54pm On Jan 06, 2016

jln115:
Go tell that to PAC!!

That web page was an error of language, and it's known to ALL intelligent people except a dullard like you....whitey dullard grin

PAC and PAF do not market it as 3rd gen, or how does a 3rd gen replace a 3.5 gen F-7, replace the F-16 procurement, and fight Indian 4th gen Tejas jet ? No 3rd gen jet uses fly by wire.....so you lose.

Go die of envy Southy mumuuuuu grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZthdDd1Qj6A

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:40pm On Jan 06, 2016

andrewza:
I was not humbled and you failed to proof any thing.

You were made humble, you didnt know of retractable FLIR and could not differentiate a radar pod from a luggage pod grin

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:33pm On Jan 06, 2016

FighterPilot:
SANDF 30% of its vehicles which are currently made in Finland will be amphibious. That's what I head. They will come as same as patria.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/denel-patria-building-south-africas-next-ifv-03317/

You hear lies and hallucinations. SANDF Navy man Andrewza has told you and us many times repeated that NO AMPHIBIOUS BADGER for SANDF.

There is NOTHING in your weblink source that says SANDF is getting amphibious Badger, we have already seen the ones from Finland with the water propeller removed ! grin

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:27pm On Jan 06, 2016

Patchesagain:
Is the ZBD97 a wheeled IFV?

Apples and oranges dipsh1t

IFV is IFV....wheeled or tracked....Russian IFV force is 99% tracked. IFV is NOT defined by wheels type, it's defined by armament and transport
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Fool of Soweto, does not know definition of IFV grin

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:22pm On Jan 06, 2016

jln115:
Jf17 is 3rd Gen according to the manufacture!

3rd Gen jets don't have fly-by-wire. Only 4th Gen have it and JF-17 has it. Some free education for you on definition of 4th Gen, dear buffoon grin

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:03pm On Jan 06, 2016

Patchesagain:
Nope... China agree with us

Nope you fool, China has it's main IFV, and main armament of the ZBD97 is a dual-way stabilised, semi-automatic 100mm rifled gun / missile launcher, capable of firing both HE-FRAG rounds and the 3UBK10 ATGM....mixed weapons, the missile is turret fired you dummy !

Same way the Chinese year 2008 IFV has both cannon and missiles fired through the gun http://www.military-today.com/apc/zbd_08.htm

Fool, soweto fool.....Badger is obsolete concept.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:56pm On Jan 06, 2016

Patchesagain:
For the weapons based variants

APC variant has a lightweight RCS... thus it is about 2t lighter...

Show us the photo and prove SANDF is buying APC variant plus IFV, show us proof SANDF has changed it's ancient 100 year old doctrine to now buy amphibious armoured vehicles.....prove it you liar !

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:53pm On Jan 06, 2016

FighterPilot:
SA gripens radars have mark 3 recent versions which are competitive to AESA. It is even far better than other weak platforms which are using AESA.

prove it, citation needed.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:53pm On Jan 06, 2016

Patchesagain:
1. Accuracy > RoF (welcome to the 21st century pleb)

2. Most advanced in the world:
DLS designed the GI-30 to fire link-less 30mm x 173 ammunition through a dual feeder – a world-first for this kind of weapon.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4225.html

Quote where it says 'MOST MODERN' ....it only says first to fire linkless ammunition on a SLOW RATE OF FIRE SLOW SNAIL 30mm cannon, the rest of the world don't care about link less ammo belt only you think you want it...your choice.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:49pm On Jan 06, 2016

Patchesagain:
Can you provide any irrifutable evidence that it is dry land only?

You havent seen any pictures of the APC variant yet

You South Africans have proved it, you said SANDF chose under chassis extra armour Badger over amphibious capabillity, you are the evidence.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:48pm On Jan 06, 2016*

Patchesagain:
1. No, your BTRS are not protected against RPG's

Same with your Badger not protected by the hull

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:46pm On Jan 06, 2016

Patchesagain:
So the whole world is wrong, and one is right?

Nope, the western world is wrong, the eastern world is right....Russia, Ukraine, China, India, Nigeria etc many nations got it right.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:43pm On Jan 06, 2016

Patchesagain:
No, the Rosomak had no cage armor

It is also not amphibious because, like us, they chose armor over the ability to float

Rosomak had cage armour in Afghanistan you fool !

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:39pm On Jan 06, 2016

jln115:
China uses the HN-900 data link.

Prove it is functional and TDL status, prove it.

Every country that has data link platforms have names for it, ATR-42 has inbuilt data link and has a name too.

Prove that the Chinese stuff is TDL, and name that of Russia, their TDL

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:36pm On Jan 06, 2016

Patchesagain:
Yes, it does mean that everyone who is linked into LinkZA can "see" it... we did that during the World Cup.

The SAAF will be using various sensors throughout the country to compile the radar picture. As the SAAF will be deploying mobile radar units to only the inland soccer venues, the SA Navy will deploy their frigates to the coastal venues, being Cape Town, Durban and Port Elizabeth. Gagiano says that the SAAF will "utilise the radar pictures from the navy ships for the total air picture around the stadiums close to the coast."
"So all those sensors contribute to a recognised air picture and Gripen is one part of it, the ship radar is one part of it, our mobile radars, static radar, all these sensors are part and parcel of the input into one recognised air picture."

You do not have those capabilities... please dont waste my time.

Welive in a time where INFORMATION is the biggest killer on the battle feild.

Your photos are showing land maps....LOL...Show us images of aircraft in live video via datalink....LOL....how will you see enemy jet when your Gripen has no OLS equipment ? Map is nothing but geographical paper, show us how your artillery will SEE the enemy ! SAAF has no OLS.

Nigerian ATR-42 actually sees real videos... live online real time...and sends the information via inbuilt data link to Central Command Center for forwarding to other platforms on land sea air
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:30pm On Jan 06, 2016

Patchesagain:
Well done on a retard.ed example.

We have data-link which means:

Gripen sees Nigerian patrol
Message INSTANTLY SENT to G6 - including live footage (if it has a recce pod), bearing, GPS co-ords and such
G6 fires
Gripen observes fire and INSTANTLY sends info back to the guns.

You simply cannot do that.

Datalink means our arty, for example, can hit moving targets

Datalink means our Hawks, for example, can fire radar guided missiles.

Datalink mean our Gripen, for example, can extend the radar horizon for the Valour class meaning it can scan and search a larger area

Datalink means our Commanders, can command an entire battlefeild from 1000km away... in real time with the position of each and every vehicle available to him on screen

Datalink means our SF, for example, can jump out of a C130 and have a sub waiting for them, in complete radio silence.

SANDF is deployed on border protection only, and has been extremely successful - 80 000 people apprehended in 6 months alone.

You are merely pathetically trying to deflect from the fact that you dont have a datalink and further that you personally do not understand how they work.

Nigeria has C2 and C5 command and control, so if our aircraft see anything, they communicate with CCC and the CCC relays the message to other platforms. Simple, but a fool like you won't know how 95% of the world's military fights war without tactical data link.

TDL is just faster because it does not go through CCC.....Command and Control Center.

Meanwhile, your Gripen and Hawk jets are getting sh.ot down by NAF JF-17 Thunder jets, your data link is blown to pieces before you use it.

https://www.pafwallpapers.com/gallery_JF-17/jf-17_thunder_mark-84_mark-82_laser_guided_bombs.jpg

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:24pm On Jan 06, 2016

FighterPilot:
JAS 39 GRIPEN JET IS 4.5 GEN FIGHTER WHICH IS ON PAR WITH THE LIKES OF RAFALES.

http://www.brighthub.com/science/aviation/articles/92286.aspx

Your Gripen has obsolete 20 year old pulse doppler mechanical radar, Rafale has latest AESA electronic radar plus IRST and OLS which your Gripen does not have....how are they on par?

Fake fighter pilot, answer us with proof, how is Gripen C on Par with Rafale?
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:21pm On Jan 06, 2016

FighterPilot:
Badger with mortar.

.....but no 30mm cannon....useless IFV

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