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Patchesagain:
So the 30 000 dead and 1,6 million people without homes dont count?

Or the 46 ruined and destroyed towns?

Pathetic military

30,000 Nigerians did not die, actual figures not known, but realistic source estimates quote about 10,000 dead.

Hey fool ! About 20 million Russian civilians died in Russian homeland during German invasion.

About 150,000 Algerians died during Islamic terrorism war of just 11 years. That is 10 times more than Nigerians !

Algeria is Africa's best equipped military and second most powerful after Egypt.

War is war, people die in war.
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Patchesagain:
Is the lesson: "dont let rag tag insurgents capture 46 of your towns, make 1,6 million people homeless and kill 30 000"?

That is normal in a big war....but NOT 30,000 dead, your figure is inflated.

Displaced people have largely returned home to freed towns.

Nigerian army recaptured 46 towns in 46 days and set new world combat record speed of victory, German Blitzkrieg style !

Nigerian army proved to be the Black Napoleons of this world with that Blitzkrieg war string of victories.

150,000 Algerians died in Islamic insurgency of 11 years, yet Algeria is the second most powerful military in Africa.

When the war is in your homeland, the people at home will die and any land you lose temporarily will be homeland. That is war at home, not a bush war in far away Angola 1,000 km in another man's bush.

All those insurgents are now dead from Nigerian army bullets ! That is what counts, NA rules 100% of Nigerian land.

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New South African navy chief of staff has ZERO combat or navy ops experience

"He points to the incoming SA Navy Chief, currently Rear Admiral Samuel Hlongwane, as one of the appointments that will not improve the maritime arm of service.

He is a counter-intelligence officer with no combat or operational experience and has no expertise in actual naval operations."

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http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=33375:sandf-promotions-questioned&catid=111:sa-defence#at_pco=smlwn-1.0&at_si=569a6c8a6afeb0f4&at_ab=per-2&at_pos=0&at_tot=1
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jln115:
1. Yes you stup1d sh1t!! You can quote a book, You cant fvcking scan the pages and post them on NL like you asked me to, that will be in breach of the copyright, obviously something you know nothing about.

2. Refer to PIC1

3. Refer to PIC2

Case closed!!

Fool, you don't need to scan anything, or how do you scan an E-Book ? It's already on the computer you dunce !

Use simple copy and paste keys on your laptop and show us the content in your nairaland post. Fool.

The advert says the book is free, yet it is asking me to pay $4 to get access, LOL....some kinda South African marketing scam maybe.

You have NOT seen or read any pages of war story accounts in Helmod's book....stop lying. We are on internet and you are asking people to go buy a book to see your evidence....means you have NO SOURCE TO PROVE YOUR SELEKA BATTLE CLAIMS.....just stuuut up you liar !
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ssaengine:
SAS SPIOENKOP leaving for India today...

$300 million Valour frigate with 1972 rusted old obsolete main gun 76mm, 20 year old obsolescent combat suite, ZERO torpedoes, and ZERO anti-submarine helicopter, plus $40 million Super Lynx helicopter with ZERO sonar ZERO torpedoes ZERO anti-submarine warfare capability
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ISIS strikes Indonesia

AL-QAEDA strikes Bourkina Faso

BOKO HARAM strikes Cameroon

Global problem....South Africa beware and pray hard to God
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jln115:
I used the Corruption perception index as my source dum dum!!

Your corruption index is outdated, you dumbo dundee !

FighterPilot was just as dumb, he used Wikipedia as source !

A tale of two fools
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jln115:
Sorry buddy, but we rank 67th least corrupt nation, Nigeria ranks 136th, so ur opinion doesnt really bother me

FighterPilot:
You must be sick. When the world came to know about corruption or even talks about it, they used Nigeria as a perfect example and case study. Nigeria was told to be the only place in the world where corruption was legal tender.

The only thing here is that SA is more open with corruption than Nigeria. In Nigeria publishings of corruption cases are suppressed. Look at Dasuki who ran away with a whooping $2 billion and such has never happened in SA. Nigeria is dark red in corruption perceptions index.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

Stop using Wikipedia as source, it is unreliable. Any fraudster like Patches can edit Wikipedia.

Btwn, South African corruption is both local and international, Nigerian corruption is local.

It is South Africa that bribed Sweden's SAAB to do Gripen jet deal, and bribed a whole FIFA top executive team of managers to get 2010 world cup hosting rights that South Africa did not technically qualify to host....your bribery is on world records page, you ruined Sepp Blatters career as FIFA president....South Africa's SPECTACULAR corruption enters Guinness book of records o !
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jln115:
Look retaard!!! i posted the 3rd page of the book. I know Nigeria is a lawless country where you can breach copy right as much as you like, but in South Africa it's a crime regardless if the book was free or not!

All rights reserved. Without limiting the rights under copyright reserved above, no part of this may be reproduced, stored or introduced into a retrieval system, or transmitted, in any form, or by any means (electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording or otherwise) without the prior written permission of the copyright owner. Author: Helmoed Heitman ISBN 978-0-9921902-8-6

Fool, illiterate by half !! Both e-books and hard copy books have their pages extracted and posted freely on internet, do you know how many times people have quoted and pasted Google books of military subjet authors on this forum? So many times ! Copyright law is meant to stop commercial copying and transmission for financial gain NOT in simple discussions of the books content !

Google books is full of copy pasted pages of authors works all over the world, and Google is American company in USA where copyrght and intellctual property laws are strongest in the world, yet google books is doing what your iliterate mind calls illegal, white boy with Zulu brain !!

In short, you were denied access to Helmods book, its NOT free, the weblink asked you to shop it into a cart and pay dollars to read the book, and you have no money, likely no credit card and not credit worthy, you are penniless !

You have NEVER read the book, the so called page 3 you posted is the publishers data and copyright page, not any Seleka battle story from SANDF.

I think your level of fraud and deceit justifies yöü be sentenced to 6 months in jail. Liar, fraudster.
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Henry240:
"Anti-ship missiles?"......... Why would they do that?

Reported as UNCERTAIN, likely anti-radiation missiles for SEAD, Ugandan Su-30 can knock out enemy SAM radars to open up air space for attack.

jln115:
Sorry buddy, but we rank 67th least corrupt nation, Nigeria ranks 136th, so ur opinion doesnt really bother me

Secondly:

THE BATTLE IN BANGUI: THE UNTOLD INSIDE STORY
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So as you can see i have the book unfortunately it would be against the law if i scanned the pages on to NL.

Secondly i dont know why your trying to download it from ebooks just download it from here: http://www.warbooks.co.za/search?q=Battle+of+Bangui

Liar, you have NOT read the book until you post proof by showing us relevant pages.

Your above post is büllshiiiit, is that the content and story inside the book?

You remain a liar, no law against pasting the content of a FREE BOOK on nairaland, you have no Helmod book on Bangui battle until you post pages as evidence !!!

We are still waiting for your proof....Liar

jln115:
Maybe not in Nigeria, but in South Africa authors are liable if they spread false information, also being a internationally published Defence analist, he's reputation is every, thus he wouldn't risk publishing work that's not factual.

Secondly you're right!! I didn't by the book, I downloaded it for free, I even posted the weblink so that the rest of you illiterates can download it to! I'll also show you a screen Grab when I get back to my laptop if you still want me to.

South Africa is as lawless as any other 3rd world country, crime, corruption, incompetence, etc all over SA you even bribed a whole FIFA to win world cup hosting rights. Pooh pooh, whose gonna chase after Helmod for repeating SANDF official propaganda story? He is just helping your government spread its lies, he has ZERO liability as he quotes SANDF as source, no error is attributed to an authour who quotes a source for his writing.


The fücking ebook wont download for free, its asking me for money. If you downloaded it then post the pages for us to see or you are afraid your lies will be exposed ?

Show us the relevant pages of the book sincle you claim to have read it...Liar !!!
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jln115:
Have you read his book?? If NO, then you are in no way entitled to say his baised.

Besides it will ruin his career, if he was found publishing false information!!

Authours have no liability for false war stories, he will say nobody can prove his version wrong, so what reputation has he got to lose? He will just say he copied the reports from SANDF accountsbof the battle.

Hey stop asking people on internet to go buy a book that is not even in the market in 99.999% of world market shops.

Sure you ahve NOT read the book yourself, if you have bought a copy, then scan the relevant pages to your computer and show us the content here.....you have NOT read Helmods book, you did not buy a copy....Fraudster !!!
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jln115:
What else are they doing?? Or are civilians also racing to the front to fight BH

What if the army trucks were evacuating their wounded, or escorting the civilians, or going to get more ammo from base, or going to outflank the Bokos from another direction as battflield tactics?

Then why were the civilians making the video not rumning away, but were actually heading in the very direction of the so called battle, they want to go and die there?

Prove that the soldiers were running away from the invisble enemy, prove it !!!
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FighterPilot:
Were all authors who wrote about WWII in the battle? Nope. Yet the world today has learnt about the war through their writings.

Creible authors dont write biased world war II stories from only one side of the war alone, Helmod only wrote the SANDF script, why dont he go get Seleka version and add it to his book to balance his story?
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patches689:
Do civilians usually drive towards the frontline at high speed?

Your men fled before a single shot was fired... true cowards

Do civilians walk towards a battle that soldiers are fleeing from, using cellphone to make videos when everybody is running from that place at high speeds?

jln115:
Butthurt!! the fact is South Africa commands the largest peacekeeping operation on the planet!!

patches689:
And then after the UN saw how good we are they selected us to lead all 20 000 MONUSCO forces

South Africa commands an election time force, Tanzania commanded the war time force.

Shame on your SANDF that UN considers worthy of election police job

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patches689:
Prove it

Its already proved, Helmod was NEVER in Bangui to get battle facts......and his Janes defence magazine report is exactly the same as the SANDF propaganda account.

You are the ones making first claim that Helmod's book contains the true account, so the burden of proof is on you, prove your claim match it against other claims from Seleka General Hassan Hakouma, the Frenxh army, and Reuters journalists who were there on ground.

Prove to us that the book is the truth and other reports are false, prove it !!!

jln115:
The Majority of your soldiers dont have decent kit, NOW PROVE that they are not Nigerian soldiers!

No Nigerian soldier engages in battle wthout bullet proof vest, thst is standard for the whole Niger;an army. The soldiers 'rumnin away'' uphill in your Boko Haram dramatized propagand video of Gwoza town had NO bullet proof vests, proves they are NOT Nigerian soldiers, and one of the two men also reappeared later in same video sharing ammo boxes with Boko Haram men.

Now prove they are Nigerian soldiers, you made the initial cla;m so prove it, show us their uniforms with official name tags and service numbers plus Nigerian army ensign of their corps.

Prooooove it , liar !!!!!
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jln115:
Prove that their NOT running away!

You are the first to make a claim that they were running away, so burden of proof is on you, prove it show us who is pursung them and also interpret the language spoken in the video .

Prove it !

jln115:
And this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WxPK6xdukQ

There is battle there and some civilian teenagers who made the cell phone video are walking leisurely on foot in the direction of the so called threat?

Prove they are running away, we see army Toyotas moving in a direction. Prove they were not escorts, medivac, mobile force, blocking force.

Prove they were running away, the video shows NOBODY pursuing them and no sound of gunfire or sign of any threat.

Illiterates in North East Nigeria are smarter than you South Africans who live in a city

jln115:
Whats this??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY36o7O6LpY

Except that the above propaganda video is a Boko Haram staged drama, those soldiers running up hill are not Nigerian troop,, they have NO helmets NO webbings NO body armour/bullet proof vests !!!! No Nigerian soldier enters into a fire fight or combat without those basic kit.

Then one of the actors who ran uphill is later seen in same video in the ammo store with other Boko Haram fighters opening ammo boxes !!!

You got scammed by Boko Haram 419 video....Soweto fools cannot think independently
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jln115:
Who's commanding the whole MONUSCO operation again?....Sorry i forgot, can you remind me?

MONUSCO is NOT the fighting arm of UN in Congo, FIB is, and the records of history shows that for two whole years a Tanzanian army officer was ordering South African army around as your boss. The new MONUSCO general is brought in for elections coming up soon in Congo.

United Nations Policy :

1. War, call Tanzanian army to do military combat job
2. Political elections, call South African army to do Police job
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Henry240:
What floats my boat floats the boat of the rest of the African continent and the world.


What floats your boat and that of the rest of South-Africa is the knowledge that you can lie to yourselves and take this lie as a fact.

Honestly, and sentiments aside, a country like South Africa whose citizens lie so much, is NOT worthy to lead Africa. A nation full of liars and deceivers, people who lie in the face of overwhelming evidence to show they are lying, yet they keep on lying and beat the devil at his own game
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jln115:
All it did was proving that your military is more rebel worthy than i initially thought!!

You Southies boast here about SANDF fighting M23 rebels using your best troops and helicopters....your SANDF is far more rebel worthy than we thought, you even needed Tanzanian army to lead you against mere rebels so that Congo DRC will not become another C.A.R. Bangui
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jln115:
Hence i used the word "estimated" in my original post.

Give us facts here, not fraudulent and ridiculously inflated propaganda 'estimates' from your fraudulent South Africa
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jln115:
And? Who says they were in Bangui in march!!

The news reports and the photos they took, you liar, shame on you !!!

jln115:
Uhh....yes they do!! Did you even watch the Vice documentary?? Or is that Boko Harm propaganda too?

Vice video had no fraud, he was on ground to film the battlefield and he credited the war victory to Nigerian army. That should hürt your feelings with envy.

jln115:
Just because it says Bangui doesn't mean they were in Bangui its just means were the reports are coming from, our newsoutlets say the same thing.

Secondly Look at the date of your article retaard!!

Stop lying, they were in Bangui and Reuters mentioned their journalists location as Bangui, they cannot be in Alaska snowland and be taking photos of Seleka rebels with the Reuters journalist name attached to the image as photo source/credit, Reuters also wrote on the photo..."PHOTOGRAPHER-STAFF, REUTERS".

You shameless liar from a fraudulent nation of born liars called South Africa.

My quoted news report is dated Dcember 2012, 12 weeks before the battle, Reuters journalists were already in Bangui. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/keyword/bangui


My seocnd quote was December 2013, means the Reuters journalists were in Bangui before and after the battle .

# DEFEATED A SOUTHIE MÕRÕN WITH FACTS
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jln115:
Go read Battle in Bangui, NGOs estimated it to be around 800 possibility over a thousand if one considers that some wounded Seleka could've died of their wounds later on.

Speculations of Seleka casualties is NOT fact, it is guess work and NOT valid.

jln115:
Neither BBC or Reuters were in Bangui.

Heitman is a very well respected military analyst with numerous published books and articles.

He is also a Jane's Defence corresponded, thus spreading false misinformation will kill his career .

How does that change the fact that Helmod was NOT in Bangui to witnese the battle, and that his book is based according to him, on the SANDF official propaganda report of lies that your defeated soldiers fed his stomach with?

The book is a printed SANDF version of the battle. Simple
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