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mzilakazi:
Andrew it doesn't matter how many mines it was hit. What matters the most is that the occupants survived. That's what MRAPS are made for. To protect the occupants against the fatal injury from the blast.

Show us proof that the MRAP occupants survived, prove it. SA makes bad MRAPs. Poor standard and overpriced South African products.

Patchesagain:
1. South African is commanding the MONUSCO deployment = 20 000 men

2. The Tanzanian was a commander of the FIB deplyment = 3000 men

FIB is PART of the larger MONUSCO

You are a complete and utter slowpoke.

SANDF is commanding peace time Congo DRC elections force, not a war fighting force, or MONUSCO will be firing artillery on civilian voters?

Immbecile
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Patchesagain:
SANDF GENERAL GIVEN COMMAND OF MONUSCO

All 20 000 Soldiers now fall under the command of South African Lieutenant General Derrick Mgwebi

The first African to command MONUSCO, a very proud achievement and about time indeed!

A fantastic day!
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/mgwebi-to-head-uns-drc-mission-20151229

For civilian election 2016 purposes, the war in Congo is over long time ago. No shots to be fired to kill by 20,000 UN troops next year, no more helicopter and artillery war, it`s peace time in Congo, it`s political elections time. Simple, please don`t over-blow simple facts that we all know, just to suit your thirst for some `glory and pride`.

Congo DRC now has peace, do not wish them war just to prove a point or glory hunting
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mzilakazi:
It seems as if it is you who doesn't read. That general did not head only SA in Burundi, he commanded the whole AU force. The mission was a.success

I understand that the news aches you so much.

He commanded peace mission in Burundi....yet there is no peace in Burundi till today....Your SANDF army general is a combat mission failure, so he has been chosen after Tanzanian army general fought and won Congo war, SANDF army general cosen to CONDUCT CIVILIAN ELECTIONS 2016 in Congo....that is the limit of South African military capability....watch over civilian elections....ordinary Police job

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Patchesagain:
SANDF GIVEN COMMAND OF MONUSCO

All 20 000 UN Soldiers now fall under the command of South African Lieutenant General Derrick Mgwebi

The United Nations has spoken!!

The first African to command MONUSCO and they choose a SOUTH AFRICAN

Augustine has been permanently silenced!!

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/mgwebi-to-head-uns-drc-mission-20151229

Bwahahaha

Did you read that your own source from beginning to end?

LOL.....South African army general with Burundi crisis experience....the same mission where SANDF failed, that is his track record of experience of combat...LOL.....Burundi was as failure for SANDF, that country is still boiling like hotpot fire today, thanks to the failed mission of SANDF there twice.


LOL, your army general is being chosen now that the Tanzanian army general has finished the hard job of REAL WAR and given victory to UN and Congo, then a South African army general can now be called in to head a PEACE-TIME CONGO DRC for the purpose of NEXT YEAR POLITICAL ELECTIONS...

Oh my God ! Can't stop laughing....my sides in orbit, SANDF army general with experience of failure in combat is now appointed by UN mission in Congo to do the job of elections supervisor....civilian police level of assignment

United Nations just showed you the only thing your army general can do...CONDUCT PEACE-TIME CIVILIAN ELECTIONS, shame on SANDF
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mzilakazi:
If we count it by total murders, Nigeria has double the statistics of South Africa.


Nigeria 20% rate = 33 000 murders.

South Africa 31% rate= 16 000 murders.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Your Wikipedia is an UNRELIABLE source anybody can edit like @Patches does and posts false data/info there. Get a credible source you fool !

Credible sources like this one below :

Nigeria 20

South Africa 31

http://list25.com/25-countries-with-the-highest-murder-rates-in-the-world/4/

South African murder rate is 50% higher than that of Nigeria
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jln115:
Boko Harm, controlled land the size of fvcking Wales, how did your government keep stastics of regions not even under their control??

Did Boko Haram capture all that land in one day all together?

How long did Bokos hold the lands? Less than 6 months....all caliphates collapsed, some lasted only 2 months.

We flushed out all the Bokos and wrecked their caliphates in 45 days, world record by Nigerian army of black Napoleons, 45 towns liberated in 45 days. Were they murdering people in their own caliphate? NO ! Can you show proof that Bokos were murdering their own caliphate people who were obeying their laws? Show us proof and statistics, or else it becomes a figment of your private imagination, you have no facts so shuut da fvck up mister liar !

The world has proof that Zulus are killing Boers in Southie farmlands and the statistics are shocking. Rainbow murder world, Oscar Pistorious kills South Africans inside city home bathrooms, Zulus kill Southies in the village farms
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jln115:
And? Who gives a Fvck!! There are twice as many murders in Nigeria than South Africa.

And let's not forget, that Nigeria doesn't keep stastics of all the murders in their country like South Africa does. Hell your murder figure could be triple as much as stated above!!

I wrecked all y.our argument about murder numbers with that proof of murder rate ranking per population head, you are butt hurt

Nigeria is a modern society with almost all citizens now on national I.D card or finger print Biometric record. So prove to us how people get murdered and no record is made at a police station as if the murder victim is a mere goat and not somebody's family member. Show us reliable proof of your claims of no records.

Your idea is actually what operates today in South African farms where Zulu militants r.ape and murder white farmers and Zulu police covers up the murder keeping it OFF RECORD in your black vs white domestic war in the rural farm regions.

Means South African murders are not all recorded, y.our killing rate is higher than recorded/published statistics !
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Patchesagain:
Learn the difference between:

-SOF (basically military Swat)
And
-Sf (teachers, trainers, eyes and ears)

And we will discuss

I am not interested in discussing with you, because you are not worth it ON THIS THREAD, A PHOTO THREAD, you will just mess up this thread with your fraudulent stuff and open lies. I just wanted to set records straight that NO special forces in Africa can match Nigerian SF in terms of diversified modern day training and constant modern war experience, even mighty Egypt CANNOT match Nigeria in this area .

Who cares about english language that you personally coin for your own use? special forces are what they are, or call them commandoes, there is no hard and fast law of definition of terms universally accepted around all the 150 armies of this world. Stop making things up in your privately created military dictionary of english language definitions. Nobody owns language.

Patchesagain:
"lost",means many things

My source is from 2009 and was made after the army had finished investigations into the matter - and they found that no weapons were lost or missing

In future, please:
1. Leave the anti-rsa rhetoric in the other thread
2. Read the sources I post

Also - Nigeria lost weapons to the Ruf

https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ecoi.net/file_upload/1002_1257249297_2000-op01-sierraleone.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwi50YO1i_rJAhXGtBoKHcWFDE0QFgguMAc&usg=AFQjCNFJAR7WsvTv2j18I0qbtrlZi4xX0w&sig2=_4D8lBy7np3pmYpQM1-odw

Why don't you quote where Nigeria lost weapons to RUF in that your weblink and list what equipment we lost?

Any lost Nigerian equipment will be searched for, found and destroyed by NA and NAF, that is our doctrine and we proved it again in this Boko Haram war, all equipment we lost were recovered on land or destroyed by air....the photos are all over Nairaland forum military threads.

SANDF doctrine is to leave all weapon s behind in the hands of rebels who capture them from SANDF, then you abandon those countries in the middle of war crisis and say your mandate has ended, as it the Africans dying there are not human beings, you abandon them and say you have done what you wish to do and nobody can hold South Africa responsible for the chaos it leaves behind in weaker smaller African nations that needed your help which you only give on your own selfish terms or you even refuse to help at all.

Nigeria defeated RUF and restored peace to Sierra Leone, Nigerian army supervised and controlled the surrender of ALL weapons and TOTAL DISARMAMENT of ALL rebels in Sierra Leone, and the country is still at peace today, and Nigerian army is still there building up that nation's army and supporting it's democracy to mature.

Show me which country has a war or near war crisis that SANDF intervened alone and that country has peace today. Don't quote UN multinational operations in Congo where Tanzania led the battle.

I have no anti-South African rhetoric, this argument started actually from the anti-Nigerian rhetoric of frumentius the South African who complained that photos of Nigerian SF training with ATGM in Belarus should not have been posted on this thread, how does he have a right to say that? Nigerian troops should not be seen training with anti- tank missiles? Envy? Hatred? Or both coming from the South Africans
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Patchesagain:
training > experience

It doesnt matter how experienced you are if you simple cannot do certain things that the well trained ones can.

Nigeria SF have both training and experience combined, and the many photos on this forum prove it.

Tons and tons of photos show Nigerian navy SBS, air force QRS, and army SF training all over the world. We have Training from America, Britain, China, Belarus, Pakistan, and Israel.

Those are some of the best SF nations on earth and Nigerian Special Forces have their training combined with our current war experience of over 12 years spanning from Niger Delta swamp war to Boko Haram desert and urban city wars.

Show us how the current South African special forces match Nigeria's mixed training from all over the world plus 12 years constant battlefield experience... show us how much diverse training and real war experience the current new ANC era recruits of South African Special Forces of today have , forget about the 60 year old retired men of apartheid era, those ones will not fight war for South Africa today
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Patchesagain:
No, what is happening in the US and France is nowhere near what is happening in Nigeria

Joke country -

Paris and California are attacked by terrorist, what is left of the pride of France after failing to secure Paris it's capital city? Maiduguri in Nigeria is a remote city in the desert. Our pride is Lagos city and there is ZERO Boko Haram there.

New York is America's pride of a city, September 11..they have the worst single terrorist attack in world history, such never happened in Nigeria.

I guess America and France are joke countries too.

Meanwhile, 50% more Southies die per day than in Nigeria, yet you have no militant Islamic terrorists in your country. Bokos will erase Pretoria in one day if they invade with RPG and anti-aircraft guns, SANDF will not even know what to do with ZERO modern COIN experience and training, you lack both, no COIN experience and training for newly built Zulu/Xhosa dominated army of incompetent rookies.

jln115:
And? Nigeria has double the amount of murders a year as SA, excluding those who have died at the hands of Boko Harm.

Murder rate is ranked worldwide per head of population size you dunce of a goat brain .

Can you just compare murder rate in India and Ghana without looking at population size? India has over 50 times the human population of Ghana and will therefore have a far far bigger murder figure.

Nigeria has over 3 times the population of South Africa, if you count number of murders in total, yes we would have a little, not much, just a little more than South Africa. Follow global standards for murder rate ranking as done per head of population.

Murder rate per 100,000 people :

Nigeria 20

South Africa 31

http://list25.com/25-countries-with-the-highest-murder-rates-in-the-world/4/

South African murder rate is 50% higher than that of Nigeria
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Rainbow nation is the gateway to hell
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Troop101:
http://news.yahoo.com/attacks-boko-haram-challenge-nigerias-claim-winning-war-135324398.html ai ai ai

More people get murdered daily in South Africa per head of population than in Nigeria, yet you have not seen war yet. If Bokos operate in your country you will almost become extinct.

As we speak, about 90 innocent South Africans have been killed at home today by your own citizens.

Your country is the gate to the grave yard, ask Oscar Pistorious why South Africans get killed right inside their own bathrooms, ai ai ai

mzilakazi:
Nigerians are mad at Lai Muhammad for "technically" provoking and awakening BH. Sometimes is good to let the sleeping lie.

https://www.naij.com/679193-nigerians-blaming-lai-mohammed-maiduguri-attacks.html

Terrorists are killing Americans and French citizens in Paris and California too. So what?

mzilakazi:
Boko Haram attack Maiduguri leaving many people dead.

http://news.yahoo.com/boko-haram-attacks-northeast-nigerian-city-many-killed-234307760.html

Count how many Bokos died in that attack. Boko is down to 5% of it's 2014 size., courtesy of Nigerian army bullets.

Terrorists are killing Americans and French citizens in Paris and California too. So what?

mzilakazi:
Your name is chameleon. You claimed that we never fought any modern war and I proved you wrong and you jump to something else. I can see that your emotions have literally reduced you into a senseless lunatic.

I never said SANDF didn't fight any modern war, I said you NEVER won any such war fighting alone as a nation. Learn to read and comprehend.

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andrewza:
No info of cassulties or size of the blast. Not to menstion diffrent MRAPs are built to stand up to different sized blasts.

South Africa builds poor quality MRAPs. Fact !!

That MRAP was built to survive two anti-tank mine blasts, but only one wrecked it !

Southy defense industry products are NOT capable of the performance that DENEL and other manufacturers are claiming on paper and media advertisements... they are all LIARS !

Beautiful pictures for internet advertising photos/videos of bad sub standard products it the game played by South African weapons manufacturers.

mzilakazi:
Angola, Lesotho, Bangui (CAR)and Goma(DRC) will tell you if SA military has fought modern war or not.

When has SANDF deployed up to 5,000 soldiers, heavy artillery, tanks, jet fighters and frigates to war in the last 24 years ? You are dëad inactive and Inexperienced.

mzilakazi:
Your source does not say anything about the actual investment. It is just noting investors who are touring Nigeria in honeymoon mode.

I wanted to take you back a bit. If you want the most recent source, I will happily hand it to you.

http://emergingequity.org/2015/11/09/foreign-investors-pull-out-of-nigerias-equity-and-bond-markets/

Do you know who those Investors are? Stock and bond markets are investors with no company or business presence in Nigeria, they are not physically in Nigeria. They are like Internet tired traders who move their cash around at random. Those stock or bond investors are usually moving their cash around the world from country to country, they are good weather investors who never stay put in one country's market.

The real investors that matter are those who establish physical business in a country, and none has pulled out of Nigeria recently, instead more are coming.Even MTN did not pull out despite the fine, they have paid for license renewal.

If any investor of value has left Nigeria, it should have been MTN this December.

Soweto fool, Nigeria is gonna suck Mama South Africa's brëästs until all her milk runs dry, we use and dump you at will.

mzilakazi:
BH kill 11 in Borno, Nigeria.


http://saharareporters.com/2015/12/26/11-killed-boko-haram-insurgents-invade-borno-community

Only 11 people in remote village of Borno?

Terrorists killed hundreds of people in big world class cities of Paris France and State of California America some weeks ago. Its a gobal problem.
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Patchesagain:
O, here is the link:

Major General Barney Hlatshwayo, the General Officer Commanding (GOC) the Joint Operations Division’s Joint Operational Headquarters says reports that the South African National Defence Force has lost equipment, weapons and ammunition on missions and that some of this had fallen in the hands of insurgents were wrong.
"Allegations that we lost equipment, weapons and ammunition and that this fell into rebel hands are not true," he told a media briefing Friday

"it is not true that our weapons were lost and in the hands of the rebels."

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1153&catid=47:Logistics&Itemid=110

South African Minister for defence CONFIRMED SANDF LOST WEAPONS IN BURUNDI and who has them if not rebels, is it in the hands of school children?

"Minister of Defence Mosiuoa Lekota, who has admitted that addressing the logistics crisis in the department was one of its main challenges, last month revealed to parliament that the following pieces of weaponry "have both been lost and stolen on peace support missions":

47,680 x 5.56mm rifle rounds
1,800 x 7.62mm rifle rounds
97 x 60mm mortar bombs
46 x 5.56 mm R-4 rifles
Three light machine-guns, two 9mm pistols, two grenades and four R-4 magazines. "

http://sbeta.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/burundi-bungle-leaves-sandf-chiefs-red-faced-300893


SANDF armoury was being looted in Burundi, you failed there. So AU should get competent army Generals from Angola, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, or Zimbabwe this time around.

patches689:
O god

Must you allways be so bitter?

Whay is up with your obsession with RSA?

We were not the only peacekeepers there and our mission ended a decade ago

To accure any blame to us is a wild stretch

And FYI, we are the only SADAC member who can rapidly deploy forces at this time - that being ACRIC

So yes, lets put (your anti south african) sentiments aside

Nigerian army is still in Liberia for the past 16 years till today, we did not leave. If you wanna do a job, do it well. SANDF failed in Burundi and Central African Republic. No need to post how many tons of heavy weapons SANDF was robbed of by Burundi rebels to arm themselves, SANDF lost high calibre weapons and equipment including MRAPs to Burundi rebels, you failed to recover your arms and ammunition, and then you left all behind to ruin that country.
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FighterPilot:
We have heard that song many a times and we are starting to be accustomed to it. I will remind you soon when BH strikes again.

Sure, Boko Haram now strikes in Chad,Niger Republique, and Cameroon MORE than in Nigeria. We have forced them to run outside Nigeria.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nigeria-violence-chad-idUSKBN0U614M20151223

Most attacks in Nigeria is on soft target, innocent civilians in villages, or suicide bombing people in markets and bus stops. That is no war, that is the crime of terrorism, and no nation is free from crime.

Paris France and California USA are getting attacked too by terrorists today killing hundreds in Europe and America. Not only Nigeria, terrorists are now all over the world, it could be South Africa's turn like the Europeans are suffering now.

Boko Haram's war making machinery has been 99% destroyed by Nigeria, the war is over, what is left is tiny pockets of hit and run resistance.

Terrorists strike in America and France, so it's a global problem.

When you reduce and degrade an enemy from T-55 tank drivers to Motor Cycle riders, and you display his flag after capturing his HQ....You won ! Nigeria has won the war.

gottfried21:
Coincidence?I think not*Insert laughing emoji*

LOL...future soldiers of Africa, lets catch them young at 18

patches689:
1. Citation needed

2. If you wish to claim you have it, then provide citations

3. No major corruption has been proven in the arms deal after multiple investigations from multiple agencies.

With regards to your other claims:

- gripen is the most advanced and capable fighter in sub-sharan africa. It is also the cheapest to operate amongst other fighters of its generation. No one had to bribe us to buy the best product available to us


- Valour Class is the most advanced Frigate in Sub-Saharan Africa. It uses the same combat suite as the French Lafeytte Frigates (built at the same time), The French Flagship the Nuclear-Carrier Charles de Gaulle and the Saudi Flagship. i doubt the Combat suite is obsolete if the Mighty French navy chose it for the Vessels they were building at the same time, as well as their flagship and the CASH FLUSH Saudis purchased for their flagship
-- The RCS of the gun is largely irrelevant and we used it as a cost saving technique . What is more important is that the Vlaour Class has 30 VLS tubes, can be fitted with a further (up to 16) BRAhMOS or RB15's or Exocets (thats a total of 46 missiles which puts it destroyer territory), has water jet propulsion and facilities for Drones and UMV's as well as proven Stealth capabilities

Frankly, Nigeria would be extatic to have either the Gripen or Valour Class in their inventories

4. In this regard we do not live in a Glass house, as o significant corruption has ever been proven AND we can prove everything we claim to have in our arsenal.

1. SAAB admitted in 2011 that it bribed South African leaders and officers to buy Gripen jet, Sweden was desperate to sell after 10 years of struggle and failure to get a Gripen export customer, they needed to desperately use South Africa to break the jinx, so they bribed ANC and SAAF. They can later deny it today, all because the investigation was corrupted by South African government ANC offcials in power who did not want to go to jail for corruption. Most thieves in this world will deny stealing if they can escape judgement.

2. "Swedish defence group Saab on Thursday admitted that millions were paid to clinch a South African contract for fighter jets but said its erstwhile British partner BAE Systems had paid the bribes.

Saab said R24-million had been paid by BAE in the form of bonuses and salaries between 2003 and 2005 for the deal involving 26 JAS Gripen fighters.

The comments came after Sweden’s TV4 television channel said it had evidence Saab had promised to pay Fana Hlongwane, then advisor to the South African defence minister and also serving as a consultant to the Swedish firm, millions of euros in bonuses if Pretoria did not back out of the Gripen deal."

http://mg.co.za/article/2011-06-16-saab-admits-r24million-bribe-paid-to-clinch-arms-deal

3. South Africa's corrupt ANC government covers up and crush all defence industry corruption cases. Let European Union investigate, and like FIFA bribery for World Cup 2010 South Africa, the truth will come out.

France has some obsolete equipment that needs upgrade, La Fayette Frigate old combat suite is obsolete almost 30 years ago old technology, the world has moved ahead. SANDF Navy is free to buy obsolete 30 year old French equipment if South Africa likes it that way.

Gripen is NOT the most advanced jet fighter in Sub-Saharan Africa with no IRST at all, plus it's now obsolete 20 year old Pulse Doppler Mechanical Scan Radar. Fine photos posted all over the internet does not give you the most advanced jet fighter, beautiful airframes/body don't make a combat jet the best fighter.

The most advanced jet fighter in Sub-Saharan Africa is Su-30 MK Flanker jets of Uganda with IRST and Passive Electronic Scan Array Radar.

4. Yes you live in a South African glass house, so don't throw stones at other African countries.

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Fake MRAP Masters Builders Of Soweto Making Poor Quality Over-rated Product

We Won't Buy More From You, Nigeria Will Soon Start Buying Proudly Nigerian Made Proforce ARA MRAPs, And We will Soon Snatch Away The African and Asian Market Sales From Southies

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FighterPilot:
Jeez!!! How many times have we heard that song? Hundred a times, I guess.

This is Boko Haram war status quo SITREP as at today, current update of FACTS that hurt South Africans whose military has ZERO current war experience and ZERO record of modern war history fighting alone as a nation....go d.ie of envy dude
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gottfried21:
Burundi...

5000 strong Au led Force vs the Burundian national defense force

It's about to go down...

The violent disaster we have now in Burundi is the result of SANDF military operation failure when they intervened in Burundi few years ago. AU should just find a track record experienced battle tested and success proven Kenyan, Angolan, Ugandan, Tanzanian, or Zimbabwean army general commander to lead the new AU force in Burundi, SAAF can support mission with 3 Rooivalks and 18 armed Oryx Transport helicopters. Africa needs capable hands not just those hunting for national glory or pride via intervention forces, hundreds of thousands of civilian lives are at stake in African conflict zones today. Let's put sentiments aside and save our innocent civilian black brothers and sisters from untimely death
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bidexiii:
#NN PICTURES

1st & 2nd picture are NN ships thunder and opkabana docked side by side.

Are those Navy guys in green camo? It is likely now one of the 3 universal camos for Nigeria. NAF is already wearing this new green.