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jln115:
Where does it say they were in Bangui? BTW those photos were taken in December 9 months after the battle.

White boy with Zulu brain = Dullard

Reuters journalists have been inside Bangui reporting every battle live and direct since before the SANDF defeat by Seleka....

"Residents flee Bangui as rebels pause for talks..

Paul-Marin Ngoupana. Reuters | December 28, 2012

BANGUI (Reuters)

- Residents of Central African Republic's riverside capital Bangui fled in overloaded cars and boats on Friday or stockpiled food and water as rebel forces paused at the city gates for ceasefire talks. An insurgency has swept across much of the poverty-stricken but resource-rich former French colony since December 10, posing the biggest threat yet to President Francois Bozize's nearly 10 years in power and threatening a humanitarian crisis."

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/keyword/bangui

PROVED FACT PROVED : Reuters journalists were there in Bangui, they saw SANDF elite paratroops and special forces running like springbok deer pursued by Seleka boys with AK-47 rifles riding motorcycles

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jln115:
It's says "Reuters reports" nowhere does it say Reuters Journalist were in Bangui. It also says a Reuters wittness NOT a Reuters journalist.

Learn to read!!

Learn to admit the truth !!!

REUTERS Thu Dec 5, 2013 5:56pm EST
France vows immediate action in Central African Republic after battle

BANGUI | BY EMMANUEL BRAUN AND PAUL-MARIN NGOUPANA

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-centralafrican-fighting-idUSBRE9B405F20131205

Reuters journalists were on ground inside Bangui reporting the battle, they were in Bangui even before the battle started and they report the battle from the very city of Bangui, from the battlefields, even taking photos !!!



Photographer STAFF
Thursday, December 05, 2013
Seleka soldiers raise their fists while riding in a pick-up truck during fighting in Bangui, Central African Republic, December 5, 2013. REUTERS/Emmanuel Braun

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20131205&t=2&i=817805818&w=976&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=CBRE9B4130300

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-centralafrican-fighting-idUSBRE9B405F20131205

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jln115:
Since when is a witness a Journalist?? Also you have yet to prove that BBC Journalist were in CAR

South African news sources confirm Reuters news agency was on ground in Bangui during the battle.

Also, SANDF is confirmed to have run away by South African news reports from your own country !!!

SA soldiers in CAR retreat to barracks, want out
news24 South Africa.
2013-03-24


"Bangui - South African soldiers in the Central African Republic are seeking safe passage to the airport after taking heavy losses during fighting with Seleka rebels, Reuters reports.

The agency said at least nine SA soldiers were killed.

"I saw the bodies of six South African soldiers. They had all been shot," a Reuters witness said. Later, he saw three more bodies in burned-out South African military vehicles.

Amy Martin of the UN's humanitarian agency, OCHA, told the BBC World Service that the SA troops had retreated to their barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport.

Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken through a line of South African soldiers during their push into the city. "

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/SA-soldiers-in-CAR-retreat-to-barracks-want-out-20130324

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jln115:
If you want the exact details, read Helmoed Heitman's Battle in Bangui.

Helmod Heitman was NOT on the battlefield in Bangui, he was about 4,000 km away in his bedroom inside South Africa. His book is merely a rehesrsal of SANDF propagands version of the battle of Bangui.l loaded with lies and lies and fraud
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jln115:
Why should I Google it when I have an official SA Government source, confirming our objectives in CAR?? http://www.dfa.gov.za/docs/2011pq/pq78.html

And? So they gave Bozize an ultimatum not us, we protected him, mission accomplished.
We were also ready to invade CAR with Gripen,Helos and 2000 men within hours after the attack, no other SS country has rapid force projection capability even near that!!
And the reason we didn't invade WSS due to the AUs recommendations.

And there are countless sources that Seleka surrendered.

lastly read Helmoed Heitman's book!!

Helmod Heitman was NOT on the battlefield in Bangui, he was about 4,000 km away in his bedroom inside South Africa. His book is merely a rehesrsal of SANDF propagands version of the battle of Bangui.l loaded with lies and lies and fraud
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Henry240:
You are wasting your own time.


You posted south-african stories no one can verify.

They are posting made in South Africa propaganda, they cannot even make up their minds how many Seleka they killied...so many different figures from different sources.....200, 300, 400, 1000, 2,000....tha is how you detect falsehood and propaganda lies....conflicting and inconsistent casualty figures of one single and same battle !

Soweto liars and fraudsters !!!
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Patchesagain:
Ok, 3000 men pushed back 200.

Thats not "fleeing"

This, however is "fleeing"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY36o7O6LpY

Except that the above propaganda video is a Boko Haram staged drama, those soldiers running up hill are not Nigerian troop,, they have NO helmets NO webbings NO body armour/bullet proof vests !!!! No Nigerian soldier enters into a fire fight or combat without those basic kit.

Then one of the actors who ran uphill is later seen in the same video in the ammo store with other Boko Haram fighters opening ammo boxes !!!

You got scammed by Boko Haram 419 video....Soweto fools cannot think independently
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Patchesagain:
Ok, so where does it say that we "fled" or "abandoned" our position?

No where.

You are so utterly pathetic

Here it is.....yöür runaway SANDF...

The agency said at least nine SA soldiers were killed.
"I saw the bodies of six South African soldiers. They had all
been shot," a Reuters witness said. Later, he saw three more
bodies in burned-out South African military vehicles.
Amy Martin of the UN's humanitarian agency, OCHA, told the
BBC World Service that the SA troops had retreated to their
barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport.
Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken
through a line of South African soldiers during their push
into the city."


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Henry240:
The agency said at least nine SA soldiers were killed.
"I saw the bodies of six South African soldiers. They had all
been shot," a Reuters witness said. Later, he saw three more
bodies in burned-out South African military vehicles.
Amy Martin of the UN's humanitarian agency, OCHA, told the
BBC World Service that the SA troops had retreated to their
barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport.
Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken
through a line of South African soldiers during their push
into the city.





Done!

SANDF troops begged for mercy to allow them escape and hide inside French soldiers base .

Proved with sources, Reuters & BBC reports from officials on battlefield Bangui city

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Henry240:
Actually they are.
"Seleka's Massi said the rebels had broken through a line of
South African soldiers during their push into the city."


A source with the United Nations in Bangui said South
African troops were preparing to leave the country.
"They took substantial losses and have asked for French
support to load their troops and take off," said the source.

© 2015 Thomson/Reuters. All rights reserved.


www.newsmax.com/t/world/article/496069


Eric Massi is the spokesman of Seleka




- You cannot protect a man who isn't there, it's just not possible.

- Just like their SANDF trainers, they fled!


Who dominates the grounds in Nigeria's campaign against terrorists...... Nigeria!!

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Henry240:
- the battles are not important, we delivered on the war. We delivered in 6 weeks, an area the size of Scotland. That's an amazing military feat unmatched in Africa. We have the best Infantry soldiers in Africa.


- Chad secured their side of the border, operating in border towns of Dikwa and Gambaru-Ngala. Operations amounting to only 7% of the AO. We funded the chadian operations, we also provided air-support to them. You should go back to school to learn what facts are.


- the SANDF is an incompetent force, the CAR proves this. While the Nigeria Army was conducting operations in the North-East, our troops were carrying out operations in Liberia, Sudan, Guinea.


- Bozize fled, mission failed.

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patches689:
The source shows that all platforms were intergrated


So now we have:

1. A report on how they were intergrated

2. A Naval officers testimony that it works

3. An SAAF officers testimony that it works

4. An SAAF publication detailing how it works


There you go, 4 seperate sources that confirm it.

Yes, Link ZA works like basic intercom service that a telephone company like Globacom can provide. SANDF data link is in operation, integrated but downgraded to basic intercom level, so sad, so pathetic

# SHATTERED DREAMS
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jln115:
Well if you read the report like you read my previous post, then you didn't read the whole report, so i suggest you go read my previous post again and after that read the whole report again!!

And all you did was provide a single page, but thanks to @FighterPilot your own so-called report proved everything we've been saying and disproved everything you've been saying!!

"VI. CONCLUSION

It is the findings of the authors that although the history of TDL’ in South Africa is only approximately eleven years old, the SANDF has managed to establish a very strong base for an indigenous capability in this area.


Although the development of this capability underwent growing pains , it is at a mature enough stage where the initial investment and development efforts in communication infrastructure, platforms development, data model and data transfer protocols has been justified.It is believed that the short term and long term TDL NEC development strategies described in this paper, when employed in a capability life cycle management philosophy, will enable the SANDF to realise a complete TDL capability as illustrated in Figure 1."

FINISHED!!

Blah blah bubble gibber gibberish !!!!

Yöür own source kïllëd yöür gibberish and desperado argument, see what you quoted, it says if SANDF follows the recommendations of Mr.Smith over a long life cycle period, it will enable SA to have a complete data link.....meaning that today SANDF does NOT have a complete data link, what you have is EXPENSIVE BASIC INTERCOM...


"Delivery of SDPP’s started in 2005 with frigates and submarines and was followed by LIFT aircraft in 2006, maritime helicopters in 2007 and fighter aircraft in 2009. The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange inter-operability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms ."

Source: Year 2011 research/report
http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

SANDF Link ZA is an 80% failure, army, navy, air force CANNOT communicate with each other !

Even Gripen CANNOT communicate with Hawk, it can only use the data link Gripen to Gripen.

SAAF cannot use the FAKE tactical data link to send messages to SANDF artillery !

Link ZA ia a failure, South Africa DOES NOT have a functioning fully integrated Tactical Data Link !

FINAL CONCLUSION
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jln115:
Nope you showed us only one page of the report bro!! It was @FighterPilot that posted the whole report.

You either haven't read the whole report or 2 you are just to embarrassed to admit that South Africa has a world class TDL system!!

How do you prove I didnt read the whole report? You live in my house with me? None of you South Africans knew that report ever existed until I posted it to educate all of you and extract you from your day dreaming panorama about an SANDF tactical data link that does not exist in the imaginary form that your country expected and wasted millions of Rands producing.

The conclusion of the reaearch report is all that matters, many pages does not change the fact that at the end of it all...

SANDF Tactical Data Link ZA = Basic intercom service that MTN can provide at cheaper cost

FINISHED !!

jln115:
You didn't read the whole report bro!! go read it!!

Case Closed!!

Everything page to page, word for word, I READ THAT LINK ZA RESEARCH REPORT COMPLETELY.

I am the one who first showed the report here not you Southies. All of you were seeing the report for the first time, thanks to me, I educated all of you about the classic failure of SANDF tactical data link that has been downgraded to ordinary INTERCOM....even MTN can do better.

# Link ZA data link = Basic Intercom
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mzilakazi:
Bwahahahaha… read the conclusion unless you have a problem understanding English. The source actually tracks back to where TDL started and the challenges it posed. Remember, nothing came about easily. Even Bill Gates will narrate to you that windows was not easy to bring about. Will relate to you about the challenges he confronted from scratch.

You lost this one.

GAME OVER.

jln115:
Did you read the report to the end?? Were it clearly says how initial problems were rectified?

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I have read the whole report from first page to end page, many times again and again.

I am the one who revealed the report to you, so I read it before you, I read every page of it.

Nowhere in the report does it say anything about the data link problems being rectified.

Conclusion of the report is that LInk ZA is a failure, and SANDF has NO tactical data link, your attempt ended up as basic intercom link like Telkom or MTN can give you...

"Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms. "

Source : Council for Scientific and Industrial Research, Pretoria, South Africa

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FighterPilot:
Let me kill this fool with a final bullet on the forehead. Here is a complete journal. This researcher is stingy and can't pay and here I share the source


http://researchspace.csir.co.za/dspace/bitstream/10204/5355/1/Smith4_2011.pdf

Thanks for repeating my same source in full details, the Smith research report on Link Za datalink failure, the weblink you posted still says the same FINAL CONCLUSION as we clearly read.....

The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by the SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange interoperability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms. "

Nice to know SANDF got mere intercom instead of tactical data link .

Link ZA is a monumental failure. Fact remains unchanged
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FighterPilot:
Somebody please allow me to embarrass this Nigerian fool. Look here this source was obtained from the CSIR and is incomplete. What you have sourced is only introduction of the whole research which is basically about how South Africa came to develop its own indigenous TDL.

The question is have you read the whole research project?

Did you know what happened when South African companies applied other approach to achieve interoperability between platforms?

That which you are making a noise about was just a drop in an ocean of what the research will be based upon. We all did not have the full details of the project and how did the story end. But what I know as in today is that South Africa has fully operational tactical data link which shares data between all platfoms and is called LINK ZA.


You can buy yourself the whole book about that same story and stop making wildest assumption of how the research ended. I paste it for your convenience. That is if you are willing to pay for the book. I have already downloaded it. Read it and see where the duo concluded that it was a success.


http://search.informit.com.au/documentSummary;dn=507743762209836;res=IELENG

There is NOTHING in your weblink that says Link Za works as a TDL, your weblink is talking about a book on SANDF data link for sale online at $4, there is NO PLACE where it says your data link succeeded.

SANDF is fückïng around with INTERCOM that TELKOM & MTN can provide, ya gat no tactical data link Za, ya gotta basic intercom expanded on your equipment

FINITO, case closed.

patches689:
1. So a "beating" is 13 dead? 6% casualties?

2. Where does it say anything about them running away


How is 200 men being driven back by upwards of 3000 mem, who were stopped dead for 13 hours and who inflicted over 400 casualties shamefull?


Meanwhile, your army of 20 000 men with tanks/artillery/jets/attack helicopters got pushes out of over 46 towns and cities by less than 4000 BH


Now that is humiliating

Nope, it's not humiliation, its war. Everybody dies, loses land, regains land, that is war.

Show us a proof that Boko Haram has only 4,000 men spread across land the size of Scotland....prove your numbers with source !

Boka Had about 500 men in each of those 46 towns and extra men inside Sambisa forest, and two other forests.

500 men x 46 towns alone = 23,000 men.....add the thousands in their Sambisa and other forests...Boko had about 30,000 fighters.



Boko Haram occupied 46 towns for ONLY 3 MONTHS....

= Nigerian army flushed them out of 46 towns in 46 days thus establishing a new world record of Blitzkrieg combat skills

= Boko Haram occupied 46 Nigerian towns, Nigerian army tunred those towns into the graveyard of those Bokos.

= Our army made Boko Haram pay with their lives for that adventure into 46 towns, it cost them their lives, they are dead !

= Nigeria's flag flies in ALL those 46 towns today, Bokos are in their untimely death induced untimely grave.

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FighterPilot:
Can somebody allow me to kill agaugust with his outdated 2011 source.


Now here I quote.



The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by the SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange interoperability between all these platforms. Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms. Some of the reasons for interoperability inconsistencies are discussed below. No interoperability strategy. In the requirements, specifications and development philosophies of SDPP platforms no consideration was given to utilising platforms as an integrated joint capability, thus concluding that no clear strategy or owner was driving crosscutting project capability requirements for Network Enabled Defence. Standard evolution. It was assumed that using a single standard would ensure interoperability between platforms.

I close the quote.

So, did you consider the words highlighted in italics and did you ask yourself what was the outcome when a single standard was used.

The source basically concentrates on how did the SA indigenous TDL came about and what challenges they faced. Remember, the final SDPP acquisitions was in 2010 when the last batch of Gripens were delivered and all platforms were in the process of being converted to become LINK ZA compliant.

Now we are not in 2011 and we have moved faster. Reutech still manufactures LINK ZA equipments for SANDF as at today in 2016. So do you mean Reutech is wasting their time and investment if there was no such thing as LINK ZA? I know that your plan is to neutralise this hype of South Africa possessing TDL technology while our counterpart Nigeria is still lacking behind. However, all your noise making will never take away SA TDL technology that it happen to breakthrough in 2012.

Did you go to school and write exams by yourself or you paid a 'mercenary' to write exams for you to pass ?

Your story is complete grabage, the paragraph was cut off by you, you removed the top part of the paragraph, here is the full paragraph :

"Some of the reasons for interoperability inconsistencies are discussed below :

No interoperability strategy . In the requirements, specifications and development philosophies of SDPP platforms no consideration was given to utilising platforms as an integrated joint capability, thus concluding that no clear strategy or owner was driving crosscutting project capability
requirements for Network Enabled Defence.


Standard evolution . It was assumed that using a single standard would ensure interoperability between platforms. "

" The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by the SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange interoperability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms. "

http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

The paragraph is actually reporting that the reasons that made Link ZA to fail.....the second reason above is Standard Evolution...an assumed idea that was assumed will make all platforms interoperable, but it disappointed and the assumption failed !

Fool, the report says the STANDARD EVOLUTION assumption is the second reason for the failure of Link ZA, then your retaaaarded skull thinks it was a means of success.

You Southie guys CANNOT escape this embarrassment and national disappointment...

Link Za Tactical Data Link FAILED, your SANDF got mere intercom that MTN can provide cheap !!!

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patches689:
So they never tested it before 2010?

O wait, they did with german navy

It works:

- testimony from senior officers confirms it
- the paper you are quoting is WRITEN ABOUT HOW IT WAS INTERGRATED

And now - see attached pic from SAAF publication about how it was used

Grow up

There is NO SINGLE MENTION of Link ZA in that source-less source that you posted with no weblink.

The story talks about SAAF-SAN mobile communications and TELKOM.....LOL.....TELKOM is just like MTN...LOL

Thanks for proving me right.....

SANDF Tactical Data Link ZA = Basic intercom service like TELKOM and MTN according to your own source !
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jln115:
Operations in the DRC,CAR,Lesotho and Burundi including years of experience gained from the Border War, which is passed down from one generation to the next.

Which one of those wars is relevant to COIN war against AQIM, Ansar deen, Boko Haram, El Shabab, etc ?

CAR Bangui was a 15 hour battle, you cmpare that with 5 years of fighting El Shabab ?

You Southie guys are willing to mislead Africa for your personal egoistic gains.

We are talking about helping Africa here, Somalia, Mali, Libya, Africa needs help not your egoistic comments that mislead the average man on the street.

jln115:
The Gripen NG dosent exist yet, but Brazil are purchasing them?? See how retaarded your arguments are??

We sighed a deal with SAAB for Gripen C/D which comes standard with PS/O5 mk3 we received our first in 2008.

Brazil is buying Gripen NG that did not exist when they paid. South Africa is different you bought Gripen C that was fully existing before you piad in 1999.

Show us source, officially confirming SAAF got Mk 3 radar that did not exist when you signed contract, prove your claims, I have asked you for the past two days, yet you CANNOT prove anything, you just keep making noises like a talkative parrot !

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patches689:
Sources from SAAF and SAN have shown it is fully operational

Are the Admirals and Generals now liars?

They all thought it was going to work, but after 2010 mass failure, the 2011 research was conducted on Link ZA true operational performance and final report says in 2011....valid and unchanged till today 2016 :

"Delivery of SDPP’s started in 2005 with frigates and submarines and was followed by LIFT aircraft in 2006, maritime helicopters in 2007 and fighter aircraft in 2009. The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange inter-operability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms ."

Source: Year 2011 research/report http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

South African military has NO functioning tactical data link. SANDF got intranet/jntercom link

CASE CLOSED
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patches689:
The paper outlines how Link-ZA was intergrated after they had initial difficulty

Admirals and Generals clearly outlined how Link-ZA was used at the world cup

Its really quite pathetic that you have abandoned logical arguments and no rely on farce.

SANDF Link ZA failed data link = basic Inter-com device used in people's offices

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jln115:
Fact is, his published and you're not!!

Why should I be published ? I am not a jiurnalist that writes for a newspaper and publishes it.

Our job is not the same. Darren reports to a news editor, Augustine reports to a PMC retired Colonel and war veteran of the USA military.

#MY C.V. INTIMIDATES EVERY SOUTH AFRCAN
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jln115:
I already posted citations my ret@rded Friend.. More times than you can count.

Also the mk3 was available...we received our first Gripen in 2008!

Nope, you posted NO SOURCE NO PROOF nothing official !!!

Mk 3 radar came to existance only in year 2005, six year after SAAF Gripen had been specs defined, radar selected, contract signed, purchased and paid for ! Delivery date does not matter, in a contract you get what you signed for.

SAAF purchased Gripen in year 1999 and paid for available radar, Mk 1 of 25 years ago now obsolete.

I proved that as confirmed by SAAB official website
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FighterPilot:
That was not even a research. Tell that same writer to write again about Link ZA in 2016.

It was a research, and the case has been closed in 2011, a man that died in 2011 won't be alive in 2016....SANDF Link ZA tactical data link died tactically in 2011 and remains in the grave till today 2016 as nothing has changed.

SANDF Link ZA failed data link = basic Inter-com device used in people's offices
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FighterPilot:
Darren as always mentions his qualifications at the end of every of his articles.

Quote it and attach weblink. Liar !!!

jln115:
Thank you Agaugust!! Now was that so difficult?

So the JF17s KJL7 radar can track 3m2 target at 75km compared to the PS/05 mk3 that can track a 0.5m2 at 120km!!

Thank you for proving that the Gripens Radar is many many many times better than the JF17s Radar.

Show us proof from SAAB that the PS/05 mk3 that can track a 0.5m2 at 120km, and show us proof also that SAAF has mk 3 version that did not exist in 1999 when SAAF purchased Gripen jet.

Now show us official proof of those two claims...liar !!
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FighterPilot:
Darren has Military qualifications apart from his civilian qualifications. He is far experienced and qualified.

Show us proof of Darren's military qualifications...

jln115:
Wow so much emotional B.S!!

Anyway the Gripens RCS is 0.1m2 deal with it!!

http://www.africandefence.net/angolas-su-30ks-are-not-a-serious-threat-to-the-south-african-air-force/

Bwahahahaha

Your source is the private opinion of a newspaper journalist, a South African Mr. Darren Oliver and he is NOT even sure of the RCS, he confesses that there are marketing exaggerations, meaning the RCS is mere speculations that vary from person to person.

Thanks for proving me right with your own source

" The Gripen C has a frontal ideal RCS of 0.1 m², going higher depending on angle, so let’s call it 0.5 m² to be fair and to account for marketing exaggerations."


http://www.africandefence.net/angolas-su-30ks-are-not-a-serious-threat-to-the-south-african-air-force/

Please stop posting ASSUMPTIONS made by people in their bedrooms, we want facts here you dunce !

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