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MikeZA: 32 Battalion isn't and was never part of the SA special forces brigade. Only Rhodesian(now Zimbabwe) white operators,part of the Selous Scouts were absorbed into the SA special forces brigade. After the government of Ian Smith fell. Augubugubu doesn't know what he is talking about.

32 Battalion had recce wing, and part of the recces of South Africa. You don't know your own country's history. LOL !

"32 Battalion was expanded to 6 infantry companies, a recce wing, and a support company consisting of 81 mm mortar, anti-tank and machine gun sections." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32_Battalion_(South_Africa)

South African special forces from 1975 to 1993 were the same ones nicknamed the Recces. Those are the ONLY experienced special forces in South Africa and they are 99% dead, disbanded, retired, flush down the toilet by Zulu/Xhosa ANC blackmen, or escaped overseas to avoid revenge atta.cks by blacks after apartheid ended. Do I have to teach you your own history?

The name Recces was cancelled by ANC Mandela and co.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Special_Forces

SANDF special forces of today have ZERO war experience, please don't hate your weak soldiers, accept them, they are all yours

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Henry120: How are you able to copy photos from nairaland?

Very simple bros. All those @siriusblack and @fyniline photos wey dey stubborn me I dey copy dem if I like the pic.

1. Reduce the nairaland window to half size by clicking 'restore down' button on the top right hand corner, so you can see both the window that has the photo and your computer desktop background at the same time, as both windows now share your laptop screen.

2. Put cursor on the photo, press down to pick it, then drag and drop it on to your desktop area. It will work.

3. You may then click that 'restore down' button again to 'maximize' and re-enlarge the nairaland window back to full size on screen.

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[size=14pt]The most battle experienced special forces alive and active in modern battle today....

.....are those of Nigeria ![/size]

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MikeZA: You don't know what you're talking about. Recces after 94 started only recruiting South Africans.

You just proved me to be very correct, thanks. From 1994 the newly formed SANDF special forces were fresh in-experienced recruits that replaced the old apartheid SADF white-man led and 'borrowed' Angolan citizens war experienced special forces/recces.


Disbanded
" .As one of the results of the negotiations between the National Party and the ANC, the 32 Battalion was disbanded in March 1993 and its members were retired to the town of Pomfret, South Africa.

The guys who did so much dying and fighting for this country were just sort of disbanded on the spur of the moment. It just isn't right. I think it is terrible. I think they were betrayed, quite honestly.

—Colonel Jan Breytenbach
Many members of the unit later helped to found or joined private military companies such as Executive Outcomes and Sandline International, which ironically fought on the side of the Angolan government against UNITA ."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32_Battalion_(South_Africa)


From May 1994 till today July 2014, SANDF special forces have NOT fought any real war, Parabats fought Seleka and ran away, there is ZERO record of any real war history for the current SANDF special forces of today.

South African special forces are called a "Brigade" in quotation marks because they are not really up to a brigade in numbers today.

Even the disbanded recces 32 battalion was just about 600 men, the whole South African military involved in Bush war was just 4,000 regular army. The recces were not even up to half that number. About 540 of the 600 man 32 Battalion were Angolan citizens fighting for South Africa on UNITA's side of Jonas Savimbi.


Many of the white-men officers are even Europeans and American 'Mercenaries' who traveled to join the war and help their white brothers in South African special forces.

" .There was always a sprinkling of whites originating from countries like Great Britain, the old Rhodesia, Portugal and the USA amongst its leadership cadre ."

The truth has leaked out today.... http://flecha.co.uk/

South African famous recces are dead and gone to the grave like old roger in my nursery rhymes

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MikeZA: Retired special forces go into the reserves. Similar to generals when their country needs them,you'll see them stepping forward. Just yesterday I was talking to a former 32 battalion soldier who's now a game ranger. Some his friends are still serving in the force. SANDF soldiers is trained by officers with great operational experience. Your analogy is poor mister,cause in the military you're told what to do you don't just "shot" like in the football anytime you want. So having experienced officers to train and led you to battle is............................

[size=14pt]South African recces are mostly white-men or Angolan blacks NOT South African blacks.

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32-Battalion, of which Colonel Jan Breytenbach was the founding commander, became the most controversial unit in the South African Army because of the secrecy surrounding it. Its story is virtually the story of the Angolan/Namibian war, because its involvement in it was greater than any other South African unit.The battalion primarily consisted of black troops and NCOs originating from virtually every tribe in Angola. They were led by white South African officers and NCOs ."

http://flecha.co.uk/

South African recces unit or force is DEAD....DISBANDED IN MARCH 26TH 1993

You have no war experienced special forces black men any more, unless Angolan's are now the top fighters in South African army.

The approximately 120 former white-men recces were mostly flushed out by Zulu/Xhosa ANC for apartheid reasons, the approximately 20 men left in SANDF today are too old to fight high tempo long endurance war.

95% of today's SANDF have zero combat experience. FACT !!!

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PHOTO 1 : THE FAMOUS SOUTH AFRICAN RECCES ARE NOW DISBANDED, DEAD, TOO OLD, RETIRED, FLUSHED OUT, OR ESCAPED OVERSEAS

PHOTO 2 : CURRENT NIGERIAN ARMY YOUNG BLOOD, EXPERIENCED AND BATTLE TESTED SPECIAL FORCES IN WAR ZONE

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MikeZA: Soldiers coming out from CAR prepared 6 SAI for deployment,similar to the now deployed 5 SAI. What's funny is that those soldiers performed well in DRC,their mates from Tanzania and Malawi took more than 6 casualties. Let's talk about how ill trained Nigerian soldier are. Almost in every contact with BH your army loses men. Because you infantry isn't well equipped to quickly suppress the enemy fire. What's going on in Nigeria is a civil war.

SANDF had less casualties in Congo DRC because South African soldiers were hiding behind the backs of Tanzanian soldiers who are brave, bold and professional, they took the bullets on behalf of the cowardly SANDF men, the Tanzanians were asked by the UN to lead and protect SANDF, the Tanzanian/Malawian soldiers died in the front to keep the South African soldiers alive at the back.

Nigerian soldiers died in many NOT all engagement with Bokos, why? Because our men are courageous face to face combatants, who do hand to hand fighting in civilian residential areas house to house combat. How does an army use heavy and long range weapons against an enemy wearing civilian clothes and shooting from inside innocent people's houses with women and children everywhere? Should we use mortar and RPG on our own civilians?

South Africa has NEVER been tested in a homeland COIN war, so let us see you will use long range grenade launchers and mortars on your own wives and children mixed with insurgents in civilian clothes, so we can count how many collateral damages your own family will suffer

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[size=16pt] South African Soldiers are poorly tained...United Nations complains.

SANDF trained by Brigadier-General who cheated to pass military exams

Fancy SANDF photos you see here are deceptions from a rag tag unprofessional army dressed in nice uniforms [/size]


UN lambasts discipline of South Africa’s poorly trained’ troops.

The officer in charge of training soldiers for deployment to the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) is an exam cheat.

And in another embarrassment for the SA National Defence Force (SANDF), a top UN official sharply criticised the discipline and combat readiness of South African soldiers in Sudan in a recent letter.

Brigadier-General Sithabiso Mahlobo, who was found guilty in 2002 of cheating in exams, is in charge of the training of soldiers who are in the process of being deployed to the war-torn North Kivu province of the DRC.

He is the commander of 46 SA Brigade in Kengray, Joburg.

Mahlobo confirmed to City Press’ sister newspaper, Rapport, that he is responsible for training soldiers who will join the neutral international force (NIF) to fight the notorious M23 rebels in the DRC.

The NIF is a joint operation of the UN and the Southern African Development Community.

Mahlobo was demoted from general to major in 2002 after he was found to have cheated in a military exam by copying from another candidate.

Despite this, he again progressed through the ranks and was promoted to brigadier-general in 2008.

He then took over 46 SA Brigade.

According to military expert Helmoed-Römer Heitman, no officer who has been found guilty of an offence like cheating in examinations should train other soldiers.

In an unrelated development, it has been revealed that a top SANDF commander refused to receive extra training for South African soldiers on duty in Sudan.

In a classified letter, Lieutenant-Colonel T Mashalaba, the commander of an infantry battalion of the SANDF, which was until recently deployed in the troubled Darfur region in Sudan, flatly refused to allow his soldiers to receive training from the UN and the African Union (AU) after one of his soldiers died in an ambush last year.

Mashalaba was in command of the 10 SA Infantry Battalion when Rifleman Vincent van der Walt (23) died in the ambush in October.

Two other South African soldiers were wounded in the attack.

They were stationed at the combined mission of the AU and UN (Unamid) in Darfur.

A UN official in Sudan reliably told City Press that Mashalaba was already on thin ice prior to this incident after ignoring an order to deploy his troops to a refugee camp.

A woman was apparently abducted on August 15 as a result.

Mashalaba allegedly also tried to halt the inquiry into the ambush in October.

“He involved himself personally in the inquiry and tried to halt it despite direct orders to cooperate,” the UN official said.

A letter from a senior Unamid official, in which the quality of South African soldiers’ training was sharply criticised, had been distributed among senior South African army officers just more than a month ago.

The letter, which was apparently also sent to top officials at the UN headquarters in New York, mentions the soldiers’ lack of discipline and their arrogance.

The Zuma link

In 2010 the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) controversially awarded two oil concessions in the east of the country to President Jacob Zuma’s nephew, Khulubuse (pictured left).

The rights were originally awarded to Irish oil company Tullow and South Africa’s Divine Inspiration Group in 2006, but “reassigned” to two Khulubuse Zuma companies, Caprikat and Foxwhelp, which are registered in the British Virgin Islands.

The oil blocks are in Lake Albert in the east of the DRC on the border with Uganda.

In January last year, British oil industry watchdog Platform London reported that Zuma’s companies had begun exploration activities.

In 2010 Mark Willcox, chief executive of Human Settlements Minister Tokyo Sexwale’s Mvelaphanda Holdings, confirmed to the Mail & Guardian that they were giving “strategic advice” to Khulubuse Zuma.

Mvela signed two mining deals in the eastern DRC in 2004 relating to the Kilomoto gold project and the Ruashi copper-and-cobalt project.

Reuters reported that Khulubuse Zuma signed the deal with the DRC government on behalf of Caprikat and that Michael Hulley, President Zuma’s lawyer and legal adviser, signed the Foxwhelp deal.

- Pieter-Louis Myburgh

http://www.citypress.co.za/news/exam-cheat-is-training-army/
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Helghast: SERIOUSNESS really now?? Is that the word you've chosen to describe that crap you've been showing us? Have you and I been looking looking at the same N.A photos?
No matter how serious you can look in a photo it depend on what you can bring to the table that counts.

you keeps saying that S.A soldiers have only done training, you remind me of one the many books I've read about the Vietnam war, and one guy wrote that "if you believe in yourself and have trust in your commanding officer and your team, any man can become a great soldier, believe in yourself and in your skill, and training will kick in when you need it the most". That's why most countries concentrate on training, your soldiers spend six month in training which is complete B.S and that's why they can't do s'hit right


This is a pic that makes you think and shows realism

The South African Recces are 99% dead, retired, ran away overseas, or too old to fight. The real ones with combat experience are NOT the SANDF, they are the old time apartheid regime SADF in an era gone by and now history.

Today, 95% of South African army men and equipment have zero combat experience, 99% of South African air force has zero combat experience, while 100% of your expensive navy men and equipment have zero combat experience.

South African military is like a team of footballers who spent all their lives in training under a coach, but NEVER engage in any football competition with a real opponent to test their real capability...get it ?

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NaijaPikinGidi: Stupidity runs high in your bloodstream!

I am personally aware of the directive. Sadly enough, you have failed to read the official explanation by your SANDF top brass. Read the report slowly. The last few paragraphs are instructive.

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http://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-south-africa/sandf-faces-r11bn-remuneration-budget-shortfall

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Small signs of Big Weakness In SANDF [/size]


Moneyweb News
South Africa

09 July 2014 15:17

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SANDF faces R1.1bn remuneration budget shortfall[/size]



Shortfall to affect performance of future deployments.

The SA National Defence Force (SANDF) is facing a remuneration budget shortfall of over a billion rand, secretary of defence Sam Gulube said on Wednesday.

Briefing Parliament's defence portfolio committee, Gulube said various measures were being put in place so that the shortfall did not affect the country's armed forces.

"For the remuneration of employees we are at about a R1.1 billion shortfall right now and every month we are going to see how are we doing in terms of reducing that shortfall and at the end of the year, definitely, I'll have to balance the books," Gulube said on the sidelines of the briefing.

The shortfall would affect performance of future deployments, but would not mean soldiers would stop being paid.

"Right now when you talk about deployments you do on the border, you don't just think about the deployments that are done physically, but you have to think about the companies that have to be there on reserve because they need to take a break. They can't be there forever," Gulube said.

"At any given time you want to have people who are in the training, people who are in rotation - meaning they are in a rest period, and then people who are in deployment."

The SANDF would have to extend the hours of soldiers currently deployed within and outside the country's borders in order to reduce the shortfall.

"There were times when... the rotations were three months. Now they are six months and we are looking at extending that... to one year for the external deployments," Gulube said.

It would be cheaper to keep soldiers deployed than to have them relieved by other troops through rotation.

Gulube said the fallout from the shortfall was not affecting morale at this stage.

"Amazingly the morale in the deployed forces has been quite high. Everybody, most of the young members of the defence force, they are always looking forward to using the skills that they developed towards deployments, towards engagement," he said.

"Those that get into difficulties with morale and passion, will be those who are left behind in supporting roles rather than those who are deployed."

Gulube said various systems were being put in place to reduce the shortfall.

"When posts are vacant we don't fill them. We encourage people to take voluntary exit mechanisms and also we are looking at the attrition rate."


http://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-south-africa/sandf-faces-r11bn-remuneration-budget-shortfall

Gclan: oga siriusblack do the snipers have their own squad or how are they deployed to the front

Sir, that information maybe be classified/secret ops tactics, my personal opinion though.

MikeZA: 1 one more: It was many factors that distributed to the Rooivalk not making sales. 1. Defence cuts after the Bush war. 2. Contracts. 3...............etc

[size=14pt]Rooivalk helicopter is an over-rated piece of obsolescent half-french metal junk called helicopter gunship. It barks more than it can bite. About 20 years since project started, no single export customer, every country that has a wise air force runs away from Rooivalk fat-turkey, the helo has no combat history execpt against a handful of rebles who have no radar and no anti-aircraft missile.

DENEL makes a lot of false claims about the Rooivalk, e.g. the Nap Of Earth low level flight capability system is a fraud and failure, the last time South African air force tried low level Rooivalk flight, it crashed into electricity wires in broad daylight, once an attack helicopter fails the low level combat test, it becomes useless.

Rooivalk helicopter remains useless to all air forces in the world, so they buy other helos. Only 11 units of Rooivalk exist since about 20 years of introduction. The body/airframe design already looks out-dated for a $ 40 million flying machine !

Roovalks remains a largely untested helicopter, maybe a bit rebel-worthy, but Mi-35 Hinds fought alongside the Rooivalk in all it's combat operations. So the Rooivalk has NEVER been tested in combat alone. The UN force in Congo was afraid of letting the Rooivalk fly to combat without help from the Mi-35 Hind which were flown by Ukraine and India in Congo DRC theatre.

Does anybody have money to waste? Go buy Rooivalk helicopter...it has no future, it is a dead end.

CASE CLOSED

PHOTO: ROOIVALK HELICOPTER OF SANDF, OUT-DATED BODY DESIGN, OVER-RATED PEFORMANCE[/size]

chimoz: Don't we have female soldiers in the Nigerian Army, why are not fighting alongside there male colleagues?

We have women. I don't like the idea. Putting our women in front of enemy bullets. We have enough men in Nigeria to do the job.

Thiza: @AUGUSTUS HAS RAN OUT OF IDEAS AND ARGUMENTS AND NOW HAS RESOLTED INTO BORROWING PHOTOS OF THE OUTMOST RAG TAG ARMIES...PLS RESPECT SOUTH AFRICANS AND BRING IN PROFESSIONAL AND COMPETENT ARMIES....OR IS IT NAIRA NOT WORTH THE SALT?

This forum is for all African military forces, not only Nigeria and South Africa. So I posted Eritrea.

Eritrea has the best infantry soldiers in Africa according to some military analysts. Eritrea has defeated mighty Ethiopia in many battles.

South Africa CANNOT defeat Ethiopia, so how will SANDF defeat the great Eritrean warriors.

Military don't win war according to shiny photos and nice uniforms, good clothes don't k.ill, bullets do the job.

Eritrea has experience of 4th generation jet fighter combat with BVR missiles, South African Gripen jets pilots have ZERO combat experience with their Gripen, or with a 4tH generation jet fighter, and NO SINGLE BVR missile on SAAF Gripen jets.

Eritrea has an army of 250,000 men and they will completely surround and delete SANDF 50,000 men tiny army.

Eritrea fought one of Africa's biggest wars with hundreds of thousands of troops, tanks, artillery, jet fighters, etc, recently up to year 2000 as one of the most modern and biggest conventional wars in the world. Soldiers that died alone are over 100,000 dead, not the children playground Seleka Vs SANDF battle where about 250 soldiers died.

Eritrean women alone will defeat the whole South African army http://mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=70217

Eritrea will wipe out SAAF in 5 minutes with BVR missiles at distant range, their army will then circle around SANDF and choke your fine looking army in the centre until all your men are d.ead and all your big b.ottom women are captured alive and taken to Eritrean bedrooms for 'detailed examination' by wild Eritrean men in their capital city of Asmara.


PHOTOS : ERITREAN ARMY CAN DRESS UP IN FINE CLOTHES IF THE WITH TO, BUT THEY PREFER TO DRESS LIKE WILD WARRIORS.

[size=14pt]Battle tested Eritrean Women Soldiers...not the fat B.ottom SANDF women that are only good in photos...and in the bedroom [/size]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUbJIQjcaD4

[size=14pt]BVR Missile armed air force of Eritrea, they don't have nice photo/video, but they will delete the Gripen jets in 5 minutes[/size]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rTUWaszRf4

NaijaPikinGidi: Do you really want to go down that path? Just asking. I await your answer?

The Nigerian army and air force real war front photos gave @THIZA a technical knockout, envy k.ills slowly you know, Mr.THIZA

NaijaPikinGidi: Very lame argument. Hollywood army is exactly what your SANDF is. Why hire photographers? Simply to embellish and make your gullible minds think that all is perfect in an Army that has fought no wars in recent history! The few images of the NA operations are REAL first-hand glimpses into the gallant work of our soldiers!

It is not about the choreographed quality of photos, it's about the SERIOUSNESS of the story in each image/photo.

His definition of Hollywood army actually fits the South African military. His thinking faculty was shattered by those photos of real war zone Nigerian military in action so wrote a paragraph full of nonsense. This current battlefield experience is a treasure South Africans with they had, they hunger and thirst for it daily

PHOTO : REAL SOLDIERS IN REAL WAR ZONE OF REAL LIVE COMBAT....NAIJA NINJAS, MASTERS OF BATTLEFIELD EXPERIENCE IN AFRICA.

MthimbaneZA: Remember life in SA is better than in Nigeria, people are not fools they will always flock to heaven than hell, do you know what I mean.

You mean, like these... ?

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Helghast: The difference between our Photos and yours is that ours are taken by Professional Photographers, and your Photos are many personal Photos taken by Soldiers... Which shows that you're the HOLLYWOOD ARMY, your soldiers take more pictures of themselves then Professionals do, almost all the pictures I've seen of the N.A are from your Soldiers, which Shows that you people love taking pictures yourselves you're like teenage little girls.

Please I beg you show me how many pictures of the SANDF were taken by Soldiers, please let's compare our amount and your amount. Don't lie to us dude, battle tested and in the Frontlines my ass, how can your soldiers be in the Frontlines and still have time to take thousands of photos and even pose for them, those troops aren't in the frontlines, the soldiers in the frontlines don't have time for Photos, and I been checking out Some Tanzanian and Malawian Site to get more info about the FIB, and the only photos I've seen, Of Tanzanian, Malawian & South African Soldiers are when they are at their Base or just training, not a Single frontline pic taken by a Soldier from either country, which shows that its either your soldiers are drama queens who love attention and photo that they'd risk their lives to take em in the frontlines or you're just lying as always.

See how foolish you are in South Africa, this your peanut brain cannot build half a mini nuclear reactor.

America/NATO has time to take thousands of photos from frontline war zones in Afghanistan and Iraq. You are a dummy per excellence

South African military has not fought a real war in the past 20 years, so you no longer know what battle front line looks like.

MORE PHOTOS FROM NIGERIAN ARMY FRONTLINE....FIRING ARTILLERY, AND FIREBALLS FROM COMBAT...

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denisfidha: kenya, vickers mk3s

....and Kenyan Swingfire anti-tank missiles in second/third photos below the vickers tanks?

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