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patches689: Which is why no one has written an article or ever even said that Nigeria has BB

Or that BB is common.

You are actually destroying your argument

You can say Egypt and the rest of Africa have no base bleed shell because SIPRI never records it. Same way we can say all African army tanks have no AP shell or HEAT shell in fact all tanks sold to Africa are empty of shells because SIPRI does not record them and all African army artillery too have no shells at all because SIPRI and UN arms logs don't record shells.

See why I said Hyundai Industries will never employ your type of brain?

patches689: Do you even read the things you write?

"Nigerians dont wear that cammo in the desert so no"

lol, pic related

Desert cammo is Nigerian standard for north war.
I need proof from you that those dead men are Nigerian army, I need their name tags on uniform, I need the Nigerian flag logo, and the normal corp emblem on their uniforms.

If you cannot prove the above, those dead men remain SANDF casualties swap-stripped of their nice SANDF uniforms by Seleka rebels in Bangui.

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patches689: So now you are using the logical fallacy?

"There is such a thing as a flying spaghetti monster, you cannot prove me wrong, therefore it is true"

If you were educated, you would know that as the person whom has made the allegation, it is now your duty to prove it.

Show us how "common" base bleed it.

Base bleed is so common and so cheap that SIPRI and UN arms trade logs do not record it. It is like looking for proof that all the army tanks in Africa have standard HE shell, or Amour Piercing shell, or HEAT shell. SIPRI won't ever record anybody's shell types unless it is rocket assisted or guided shell.

Go find out how many base bleeds are in Africa since you are smarter than SIPRI and UN arms sales log. Mumu
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saengine: I had sex with a really hot alien from outer space last week...prove me wrong if you can. Unlike other people on this site i waste very little time on your stupidity. You didnt know what base bleed projectiles are/were....simple. very simple. Just bow your head in shame and say sorry so people can move on

Nice way for you to confess that you have no proof.

BTWN, base bleed shell definitions and diagrams are splashed all over google and internet, more pages and details than you can ever finish reading. Mugu

patches689: South African soldiers dont wear that cammo, so no.

BH will have stripped your dead soldiers of their equipment (since BH is so poorly equipped)

Bang, your argument destroyed with 2 sentences.

NEXT!!

Nigerian soldiers don't wear that cammo in the desert, so no.

Seleka would have swap stripped SANDF of their fine cammo and equipment since Seleka is so poorly equipped.

Bang, your argument destroyed in two sentences.

NEXT !!!
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saengine: "Ordinary base bleed that is common in Africa"....nope he has no clue what he's talking about. As usual.

Prove me wrong if you can.

Anyway, how far with your fake spy satellite of South Africa you cooked up here some months ago?

patches689: Cool opinion.

Please prove FACTUALLY that they are not dead Nigerian soldiers.

Thank you.

Their uniform is not desert camouflage which is Nigerian standard for anti Boko war, and helmet, name tags, flag logo, boots are all missing what proof are you looking for?

Okay I think they are more likely to be South African Soldiers killed by Seleka, now you prove mw wrong since @fighter pilot says the photo source has no web link...

Those soldiers dead bodies are SANDF casualties

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patches689: As of 2012 Aradu is not operational

Confirmed by beegeage

http://beegeagle./2012/11/19/navy-to-reinvigorate-nns-aradu/

Oh, so you now trust Beegeagle ? Thanks, but that story is out-dated year 2012. Nigerian navy is far different and better today. NNS Ekpe and NNS Siri class warships were all declared totally inoperable at that time on many websites but the same ship was flexing muscle at sea joint exercise with Chinese navy frigates in exercise Obaganme a few weeks ago in deep ocean ! LOL

No website in this world knows whose navy ship in this world is inoperable as at today, only the navy top brass knows such technical information. Tell us how many Egyptian navy Otomat carrying warships are operable or inoperable as at today and tell us the source of that information.

I will soon stop wasting my time with you as usual. You lack basic logic.

patches689: What you fail to realise is that no one beleives your argument.

Respectable sources (ie: SIPRI) all list nigerian arty as FH-77B

All respectable sources list range of FH-77B as being around 30km

Ammunition in the Swedish Army order included the locally developed HEER projectile, developed to meet the requirements of the Indian Army which, when used with charge 9, has a range of 30,000 m. HEER-BB (High Explosive Extended-Range - Base Bleed) was included in the order and the FH-77B could also use ammunition already stockpiled by the Swedish Army.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4673.html

The gun has a range of 30 km, it can fire 3 rounds within 13 s and a has sustained rate of fire of 8 rounds/minute.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/fh-77.htm

Only the FH77 B05 L52 has a range of over 40km with standard BB ammunition

The FH-77 B05 L52 enables a range of 40 plus km to be achieved with standard base bleed projectiles. It is fitted with an integrated navigation, positioning and aligning system and onboard ballistic computation.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4673.html

Nigeria does not have the FH-77 B05 L52, it never has and never will.

Why is this so? Why will nigeria never ever have the FH-77 B05 L52?

[size=15pt]BECAUSE ONLY TWO FH-77 B05 L52 WERE EVER BUILT[/size]

The now BAE Systems Bofors has upgraded two examples of the FH-77B 39 calibre with a 155 mm/52 calibre ordnance and this is designated the FH-77 B05 L52. They were successfully demonstrated in India in 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2006. As of early 2008 no production contracts had been awarded by India for any 155 mm artillery systems.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4673.html

India chose the DRDO instead of the FH-77 B05 L52
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRDO_155_mm_artillery_gun

Nigerian FH77 (regardless of class) only have a 30km range if they some-how got their hands on advanced swedish HEER ammunition. In [size=15pt]reality[/size] the Nigerian FH77B only has a range of around 20km

HE M107, the standard NATO 155 mm howitzer projectile weighing 42.91 kg. It can be fired to a range of approximately 19,000 m.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4673.html

This makes sense as all Nigerian artillery only has a range of 20-25km.

You are just making a fool of yourself at this point.

Bring your Valour frigates to make noise in Nigerian EEZ and see if Aradu will not sink them.

Its not operational, so it couldent sink a rubber duck.

I don't care what you say or post. SIPRI says Nigeria has Bofors FH-77B artillery we all agree. Indian army official video I posted yesterday says Bofors FH-77B has range 43 km with ordinary base bleed that is common in Africa.

If it hurts you, go cry your tears to Indian army that posted the proofs.

Aradu has never been declared non-operational by Nigerian navy in this year 2014, just two months ago the Navy said experts are inside the Aradu.

You don't know anything more that what our navy tells you about Aradu. Challenge the ship to battle and kiss Otomats.

Mike..ZA:
Superior infantry weapons. The SANDF infantry and support weapons can hit targets with great precision up to: 6km-10km. Your army is still using mortars as defensive weapons. The British and Americans learned a lesson in Afghanistan.

Which South African infantry support weapon has range 10km ? Ingwe missile is longest and is 5km range.

Nigeria has Swingfire infantry missile 4km range and many infantry machine guns with 3km range and recoiless rifles with 7km range.

What make SANDF better? Nothing.

Show me your infantry 10km range weapon and I will match it with a Nigerian weapon too.

Fighter Pilot: [size=14pt]

The missiles which your old grandfather Arandu is armed with remains to be Otomat MK1 (with no datalink). There is always an error in Journalism and your source must be deemed null and void.[/size]

Otomat MK 1 has datalink inbuilt and linked to the launcher, every Otomat has datalink, only diffrence is MK 2 has extra TG-2 datalink for helicopter guidance. You failed science in school, most long range missiles use inbuilt datalink to communicate with launcher, even tiny Eritrea has datalink inside its BVR missiles and MiG-29 jets.

You want to say all the billions of dollars spent by other African countries on weapons from 1970 to 2014 does not include any single datalink on the whole continent except in South Africa? You are a complete maad-man, even civilains have datalink, is its that cheap to buy. Mugu

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Nigeria does not have otomat MK1 and that I bet with my life. It does not make any sense when you say they both have two variants which is unsupportive. Use your mind even though we all know that your brain is just a pea size because of the shape of the back of your head which is flat. The question will now be which platform do they use MK1 and which do they use MK2?

Your opinion is NOT equal to fact.

Why did Nigeria buy both two variants of Bofors F-77 A and F-77 B ? Yet SIPRI records only F-77B.

Bet your life on anything you want, it does NOT change facts... Nigeria has Otomat MK 1 and MK 2...go kiss a frog if it hurts you

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You South Africans are just a poorly-educated bunch of poor thinkers writing rubbish about Nigerian weapons.

Nigeria has two types of Bofors FH-77, we have both F-77A and F-77B versions. I have weblink sources.

Nigeria has 73 units of Bofors FH-77 artillery.

F-77B has been firing to range over 35km since 1999 Kargil war. Nigeria bought new batch after the war.

SIPRI is poor source of Nigerian weapons, screwed up the Bofors and Otomat.

Nigeria has both Otomat MK 1 and Mk 2.

Otomat Mk 1 range is 80 km without any helicopter guidance datalink.

Many African countries have datalink weapons and there is nothing special about datalink, it is just a communication device and not the monopoly of South Africa. Show me how Algeria, Egypt and Nigeria have no datalink you fools ! Even tiny Eritrea has datalink weapons.

Every Otomat missile ever built in this world has it's own internal datalink and that comes with it connected to the launcher.

I have sources, weblinks.

Nigeria has datalink. Otomat has datalink inside it for both MK 1 and Mk 2.

Infantry 150 ammo, USA carries 210 ammo, does SANDF carry up to that?

Nigeria mixes infantry weapons from range 300 meters to 3km, I have photos.

You SA mofos should show us proof that every navy frigate that is not photographed at sea every 6 months is not combat operational, we don't see photos of most world navy frigates at sea for years.

South African military NEVER fought in Liberia or Sierra Leone, Executive Outcomes is a private mercenary company and has Namibians, Angolans, and South Africans as private employee mercenary soldiers, and they abandoned Sierra Leone before the war ended many years later they went there to steal diamonds and not to win a war. South Africa is a big thief and looter of weaker African nations

Later this weekend I will deal with these sources and photos, I don't want to start my day with some foolish South African dumbos. See you later.

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Helghast: "Without any clothes on your body" dude you sound just like him

Nope, I didn't post photos of N..A..K..E..D people having gay S..E..X.. like your 'in.sane hero' did.

Without clothes on your body is a figurative speech in my local tribe that means you have a severe m.ental problem, and I see that you do, with the kind of 'hero' you worship.

99% of my posts are purely military, like everyone else, we all throw punches at each other sometimes. Makes this thread sweet.

Meanwhile, you wanna go get your medula oblongata checked at the nearest psycho hospital, you might just be as men.tally ill as @Kwametut your 'hero'. Mumu

Helghast: When you act like a di'ckhead a rant about useless nonsense no one complains about it, that guy is just giving you a taste of your own medicine because that's what you also sound like when you're b'itching.. Lol and now you wana talk about morality, you're hilarious dude

A taste of my own medicine? You ever saw me post gay s.ex photos here? You must be an escapee that jumped over the fence of a psychiatric hospital without any clothes on your body.

Mike..ZA:
Mate,I'm not responsible for what other people South African or whatever nation post here. Reply directly to them,if you're ever going to quote my posts it should be with regards to what I've posted. But we can all(South Africans,Nigerians,Ghanians etc) unite and support #StopTrollers2014.

Your silence looks like consent. @Henry just asked a Nigerian to stop replying the guy. You South Africans should be honest enough to tell him to stop posting nasty things here as he claims to be helping South Africa....you need to prove you guys are not enjoying the mess

Mike..ZA:
Superior infantry and support weapons. Not 150 bullets.

You are busy posting infantry weapons, see your post surrounded by mess and immorality spam posted by your fellow South Africans, and all you South Africans are not telling him to stop destroying this thread we are trying to rebuild, your silence means you all agree with him.

I am not entering any military debate in an atmosphere of immoral spam photos. Keep entertaining yourselves South Africans, you are showing us the type of people that make up your country.

Fighter Pilot: That source was written by someone who was misled to believe Nigeria has MK2 by probably wikipedia at the time it was not corrected. Now the writer would be ashamed to learn that infact Nigeria does not have MK2 as he previously thought. Fact!! Nigeria does not have Otomat MK2 variant.

No way ! Military today's expert analyst was NOT misled by Wikipedia, his own source is different and nothing in his webpage relates to Wikipedia, his page was dedicated to Aradu Class warship Almirante Brown and he was saying things you cannot even find on Wikipedia, his source is unique and says Nigeria has Otomat Mk 2 missile....FACT!

Even Otomat Mk 1 has over 80 km range and Aradu beats Valour frigate Exocet missile 70 km range, so no matter which of our two Otomat versions we decide to use to K.ill South Africa's unfortunate navy, your warships d.eath will be sudden and final.

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Fighter Pilot: Otomat MK1 range is 60KM. Fact!! Anything other than the above proven facts is lies.

Moreover, Nigeria does not have MK2, finish and klaar.

You need to go delete Military Today website or call in a hacker to edit it for you, it says Nigeria has Otomat Mk 2 and that fact remains a torment for South Africans. FACT !!

Otomat Mk 1 has two different operation modes and two different ranges, mode one range is 64 km and mode two range is over 80 km.

It is written inside the source used by @Patches and he is just pretending not to see it, he posts the 64 km and cuts off the 80 km part of the information details.

I also posted it here last year, that's why I did not repeat it, just waiting to see if you SA mofos would be honest enough to say you saw it there...or else I will post it myself.

Nigerian navy has 40 units Otomat anti-ship missiles with ranges 80 km to 180 km.

South Africa's half impotent 'Blue water' navy has 13 units Exocet anti-ship missiles with range of only 70 km.

Nigerian navy warships will sink ALL the weak warships South African navy is boasting about. FACT !!

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NaijaPikinGidi: Operation dey shele for here ... After the last one, another one fit happen soon. Make una shield una self. Fishermen go dey spread dem net until we find all the fish wey get rotten belle. Hole plenty for this wall.

Coded?

patches689: Finally, you dont even have a ship to fire them - [b]Aradu is not operational

Show us proof that NNS Aradu is not operational as at today July 2014. Is a heavily armed frigate-destroyer supposed to be chasing pirates in gulf of Guinea? Why didn't your Valour frigates catch all pirates raiding SADC region around South African oceans?

Aradu has no war to fight and no work to do, she is NOT a patrol ship or OPV, so she was in reserve. Age makes her due for mid-life upgrade like NNS Thunder is much older than Aradu and so Thunder went through same process of mid life upgrade by US coast guards.

Aradu is in 2014 Nigerian navy published schedule list for full mid life refit and that is a standard proceedure for standard navy establishments worldwide, so Nigerian navy is not an exception. Most Nigerian warships you think are not operational are all now fully refitted and fully operational, yet the 2012 and 2013 information on all foreign websites still say they are not operational and may never operate again, yet those ships are now back in full force, NNS Siri and NNS Ekun are two such warships that exercised with Chinese navy frigates in Nigeria few weeks ago.

Around April a journalist asked the Navy Admiral commanding the fleet about the Aradu which the journalist claimed was grounded according to his own outdated information. The Admiral updated him immediately that Experts were already working on Aradu, nobody ever knew that fact until disclosed, and few weeks after that statement, NNS Aradu surprisingly sailed out of naval base to an undisclosed destination last month June.

Show us proof that NNS Aradu cannot fire it's 80 km range Otomat Mk1 and 180 km range Mk 2 missiles. Your opinion =/= Fact of today.

Go kiss a frog and tell your fairy tales to poorly informed people like yourself.

patches689: No, you only have one source sayinig you have Mk2

I have 6 sources that directly state you have Mk1

Fact: Nigeria only has Mk 1

Different sources mention both, so we have to accept Nigeria has both, no source is a lord and master over the others.

Show me all your "sources" that say you have Mk2.

NNS Aradu Otomat Mk 1 missile range 80 km

So you admit you only have Mk 1?

Also:

Wrong. It needs a data-link for that range.

Otomat Mk 1: first model, without data link, 60 km practical range, service from 1976
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat

Otomat Mk1: Unassisted range 35NM (64.2km)
http://www.harpoondatabases.com/encyclopedia/Entry2348.aspx

Conclusion: Aradu Otomats only have a 60km range

You have no data-link so the max range is unattainable for you (if your missiles were even fitted with data-link capabilities at all). If you want to claim 80km then show us:

1. Aradu has a data-link
2. Your missiles were fitted with data-link compatible hardware.

Our SSM's outrange yours. And we can shoot them all down with ease.

You have cataract blocking your eyes? Read my post again, I said Nigeria has both Otomat Mk 1 and Mk 2 since different sources claim both and there were two separate deliveries of Otomat missiles to Nigerian navy, 25 missiles delivered after Mk 1 entered market and 15 missiles after Mk 2 entered market.

No source is superior to the other, even SIPRI has been proved to make many mistakes about Nigerian weapons. Does not matter how many sources mention Mk 1 or Mk 2, and you don't have 6 credible sources. SIPRI is just one, Harpoon database and the Spanish website are the same as Harpoon copies the Spanish website, I brought those two websites to this forum not you, so I know their content is copy and paste of each other. Your 4th source is Facebook and only dummies will use Facebook as a valid military source, I too can open a new Facebook page for NNS Aradu and quote Otomat Mk 2 there, how about that? Your 5th source is Wikipedia and it is unreliable, last year it said Mk 2 then this year an unknown person changed it to Mk 1 so how do we trust it? I can go open Wikipedia now and change it to Mk 2 and quote Military Today website as my citation/source, how about that? Your 6th source is Naval Institute, a book that is old and never gets updated after it is printed and goes to market for sale, the pages you posted are old and outdated paper pages copied by google and uploaded. If SIPRI was a paper book sold to street buyers it will forever show that Nigeria has Su-25 Frogfoot jets delivered in 2013.

ALL YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE HEREBY DEMOLISHED.

As long as I have a world respected source saying Mk 2, my argument stands until Nigerian navy makes public declaration to the contrary.


OTOMAT MK 1 RANGE IS 80 KM

EXOCET MM40 RANGE IS 70 KM

Quote any Otomat Mk 1 or Mk 2, NNS Aradu has superior missile range over all South African navy warships. Fact !

Many modern missiles have data link inbuilt and linked to the launcher, data link is what a lot of long range missiles use to communicate with launch ship or aircraft.

Otomat Mk1 does not have data link for 3rd party communication with a helicopter, but has data link for 2nd party communication with the launcher warship as a long range missile.

Every country that has modern long range missiles has data links, it is nothing special. Don't fool yourself thinking data links exist only in South Africa, you must be grossly in.sane

You half brained South Africans should stop confusing weapon to launcher inbuilt data links with a country's armed forces inter- force communication data link for passing around information within their armed forces. They are two different things you dumbos don't know in your ANC prison yards. Fools

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patches689: And with regards to augubgugugugs argument that "South Africans were the ones who changed the Otomat Wiki page to say Nigeria does not have Otomat Mk2"

lol, no.... the person who wrote most of the page was the one who changed it

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Otomat&diff=606614178&oldid=580121071

Yet another argument destroyed.

Nigerian Otomat Mk1 confirmed

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I don't care about Wikipedia that any dummy can edit and I don't build my points solely on strange people who write up Wikipedia pages. Nigeria has Otomat Mk 2 according to military today expert information from an analyst who does research and is one of America's best military websites.

Nigeria likely has both Otomat Mk 1 and Mk 2 because two batches were delivered and the last delivery of 15 missiles was after Otomat Mk 2 was introduced into the market.

Different sources mention both, so we have to accept Nigeria has both, no source is a lord and master over the others.

Nigerian navy has Otomat Mk 2 missile with 180 km range .

Does not matter which Otomat you quote for Aradu even Mk 1 has longer range than Valour frigate Exocet missile.


NNS Aradu Otomat Mk 1 missile range 80 km

Valout Frigate Exocet MM40 missile range 70 km



NNS Aradu will sink the whole South African navy from 80 km away and South African navy will not be able to reply, they will first be speechless and finally lifeless.

FACT !
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Mike..ZA:
2 questions: 1. Who commanded SA troops back in 98 in Lesotho. 2. Who commanded SA troops in last year in CAR. Sierra Leone? Here's link for you: thevelvetrocket.com/2012/01/21/quote-of-the-day-executive-outcomes/

Correct your first nonsense, a web link that does not open, after that we will correct your other loads of nonsense. You will soon show us how many South African soldiers died inside deep forest of Liberia and Sierra leaone wars...the people there don't even know SANDF, all they cheer is NIGERIAN ARMY . LOL

Henry120: Mekahog of Nigeria and DCD South-Africa Joint development produces new APC for Nigerian police.


Nigerian Police Accept New Armoured Personnel Carriers
by African Defence Admin • July 1, 2014

A new military hardware, developed by a security firm in collaboration with the Nigerian Police Force to tackle insurgency, was unveiled in Abuja yesterday [June 29].

The Armoured Personnel Carriers (APCs) were unveiled at the on-going Armoured Vehicles West Africa Conference holding in Abuja, by Mekahog Limited and DCD Protected Mobility.

The ballistic and landmine protected all-terrain Ikri APC, according to the director of the company, Mr Franklyn Ohakim, was developed in collaboration with the Nigerian police.

He said the effort is aimed at providing adequate hardware peculiar to the country’s terrain that would be used in fighting insurgency.

Ohakim said the company will be hosting leadership of the country’s major security agencies at the Mekahog Place for the official launch of the IKRI 7 APC soon. Based on DCD protected mobility’s renowned Springbuck APC range, which has been supplied to the NPF since 2006, the Ikri APC incorporates several new features requested by the NPF which made it entirely fit for purpose in this application.

The equipment, associated with ease of maintenance and repair, also incorporates internationally available drive-line components for assured performance and pats availability.

As reported by Simon Echewofun Sunday for the Daily Trust

Would you still have time to attend the conference personally? If you could, that would be great. Please put in words to relevant Nigerian government officials you meet there, time for mass producing local high speed, high and medium level ballistic protection, and high caliber 5.56mm to 40mm weapons mount double turret/roof hatch armoured vehicles at home in Nigeria, with guaranteed purchase by military and police, both need about 10,000 units, with half of that going to Police....no more facing armed robbers with soft skinned pick up vehicles.

Level should change now, Policemen should have the armoured vehicle edge over armed robbers.

Henry120: Your reasoning is very low and awful in south-africa.

How did you pass your exams?

...by bribing a mercenary .

Nigerian army....infantry firepower

Mike..ZA:
Nope. The Nigerian army wants to fight like some rich powerful armies but your military is badly funded and ill equipment. I still don't understand why your army isn't mortars to support units. Since your army doesn't have systems like automatic grenade launchers and other heavy infantry weapons to enable them to be a superior position during battles. If it was Nigerian troops in CAR facing Selaka last year........................................

Seleka is not a guerrilla force doing hit and run, using women as suicide bombers. SANDF has not been tested against suicide bombers like America, NATO, Algeria, and Nigeria.

Don't claim you are good at a game you have never played before.

Nigerian army infantry will do better against Seleka than South Africa, they won't surrender or run to France at the airport, we will fight out way through Seleka and look for a bush to regroup and be covered. We will turn those 250 men into jungle warriors and Seleka will keep busy while we radio Abuja for reinforcement, 250 Nigerian soldiers will dribble Seleka around the bush until help comes.

Weapons? Nigeria has those infantry weapons you think we don't have, minus multiple grenade launchers, we have 1km to 3km infantry rifles and mini-knee mortars and I will post them here this week, photos from the North East battle field, guns Nigeria has that is not known to public before now, and mortars made in Nigeria that DICON does not talk about in public.

Mike..ZA:
All we know is that your army is hiding figures cause your country would be shocked to know,that you're losing many soldiers.

Show us your proof that Nigeria is hiding soldiers casualty figures. I too can say SANDF lost more than 15 soldiers to Seleka.

Even if 300 Nigerian soldiers died in guerrila warfare and suicide bombing in 4 years of Boko war, did you count how many Boko Haram fighters we killed? Boko Haram loses are in thousands, reason why they are now hiring mercenaries after we killed them like flies. I can post photos of dead Bokos here, piled up like dead rats by Nigerian army.

In war, both sides die, only your inexperienced SANDF thinks they will go to war and not lose men because their enemy is armed with sticks and stones. Fools

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Mike..ZA:
SWAPO,ANC,ZANU,AZAPO plus more were well funded and better equipped than Boko Haram. Boko Haram has killed and kidnapped more than 700 people this year.

Are you blind to read or too dull to understand...or both?

I said which war has SANDF not old SADF fought on a large scale fighting alone not under UN/Tanzanian leadership, fought all alone in the last 20 years to test and prove the current combat capability of South Africa's fresh recruit inexperienced military of today 2014, which war? You nation of cowards afraid to face Seleka rebels, abandoned a fellow African nation in her time of Need. Nigeria traveled over 2,000 km away from home with fifteen battalions of soldiers to save Liberia and Sierra Leone in 10 years of daily constant war.

The Boer White-man owned SADF that fought SWAPO and ANC 20 years ago was disbanded by Mandela and many too old, many dead, many retired, many ran away overseas afraid of Zulu revenge threat...95% of the experienced South African soldiers of SADF are NOT NOT NOT NOT and I mean NOT in the current SANDF military today.

South Africa as a nation is not qualified to judge Nigerian military performance, we are consistent in fighting war from 1990 to 2014 with 24 years experience...SANDF has ZERO experience in that area.

So you South African nation of cowards should just close your basket mouth and sharaaaap !

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