₦airaland Forum

khukhi: Hey,atleast we know that we are not just "over rated". There are people who are reading up on our beautiful country even though its clear how incorrect the source may be in other cases.

Henry120: It's a pity what this thread has turned to. I used to enjoy the thread. It's now a full time dump, languishing away in the rarely visited foreign affairs section. Very shameful!!!

andrewza: you assume to much

andrewza: you dont know what i do for fun, i have 1000 of pages on all things milltary. I did not join the milltary for a job i joined it because it is my love.

andrewza: AA guns are not old fasion, and in a high EW/ECM/ESM enviorment very use full. not to menstion they got a ground attack role. though in the SANDF they all so radar guided now.

andrewza: mm a harrie have a problem in attacking a deffend base, seems all correct there. other than it,s vtol abliety it realy averiage.

andrewza: actualy gripen where part of the attack on libya.

andrewza: yes it took nato consbil effort to defeat iraq. 2 problems with use that exampel.
1 nigeria is not 1991 iraq 2 you assume we would rush to victory, nigeria is unstabil we just need to push it over the edge.

andrewza: o and the tornado was not a good aircraft. thr best nato aircraft of the gulf.

andrewza: SAAF has had a lot of experiance to build doctrain and tatics in pentotrating air defence in angola.

andrewza: you got 16 roland in order for them to be a threat they will have to contriaght around one area. leave the rest of the country open.

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sithwell: That's not the point. This was a tongue-in-cheek comment to point out that "strength" is irrelevant. The absolute minimum is health, brains and motivation. Even women can be soldiers these days. This is not S-S-S-Paaaaart-aaaaaa!

zetdee: I took the number of homicides per year of Nigeria and multiplied it by 4 years thats how I got my 80 000, isn't that how you got your 60 000 for SA.

www.wikipedia.org/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

sithwell: Why? Has President Jonathan decided he's overstretched his military budget; and that he'll now issue Nigerian soldiers with swords, like Spartans?

Mbuisi: Obviously the SA population is small as compared to Nigerian and those numbers will appear to have the highest rate in relation to their population.

Mbuisi: You are changing people posts now you claim they are judging against my post, you damn fraudster!!

zetdee: Well this is a bizarre comparison, Looking at Nigeria's crime rates, 80 000 is the correct figure. Most SA murder and rape are commited by people who have close relationship with their victims and half the crimes are in the Gauteng province which has only 20% of the population. So if you don't know anyone who's violent and live outside the townships of Gauteng, than SA is very safe.

www.timeslive.co.za/local/article995207.ece/Half-of-SA-crime-is-in-Gauteng

www.csvr.org.za/index.php/programmes/criminal-justice/1845-project-close-up-on-the-study-of-the-violent-nature-of-crime.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8668615.stm

Mbuisi: [right][/right]

I am sorry I can't help. It is clear that you can't differentiate between a number and a rate. Oops! That's a symptoms of a failed education system that you underwent in Nigeria.

zetdee: Well this is a bizarre comparison, Looking at Nigeria's crime rates, 80 000 is the correct figure. Most SA murder and rape are commited by people who have close relationship with their victims and half the crimes are in the Gauteng province which has only 20% of the population. So if you don't know anyone who's violent and live outside the townships of Gauteng, than SA is very safe.

www.timeslive.co.za/local/article995207.ece/Half-of-SA-crime-is-in-Gauteng

www.csvr.org.za/index.php/programmes/criminal-justice/1845-project-close-up-on-the-study-of-the-violent-nature-of-crime.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8668615.stm

zetdee: I don't see anything false in my post, you should try posting the truth sometime.

zetdee: Why change did your change my comment. I claimed that Nigeria had 80 000 people killed not the 3000 you gave which was for boko haram victims.

Mbuisi: Its good to know that OBAMA with those skinny legs is still standing at the helm of your adopted country. He is a Kenyan by blood is very proud of it. For your info he also know my name.

Mbuisi: I am sorry I can't help out. I forgot that I am debating with a person who is a product of bad education system which is rated low in Africa and all over the world.

snydergp:

all4naija: The same can be said of Su-24. I added grippen to shorten what we are discussing about. Although , I am not an expertise in military hardware, there is nothing that be said about old Su-24 to beat and chew F7 that is more modern and has modern facilities. So, I doubt your argument.

How are you sure Nigeria only has pl-9 for the air to air combat? All the armaments are available but along with the fighter jets. Of what use are the jet fighters without armament?

Where are the Nigerian military hardware specialists to take on Andrewza?

Mbuisi: I am sorry I can't help out. I forgot that I am debating with a person who is a product of bad education system which is rated low in Africa and all over the world.

Mbuisi: I only wanted to post you the web link and I only realised that I was dealing with a lunatic because what the help. I posted it previously and you failed ta assess it and look into those numbers.

SA's 16 000 in relation to Nigeria's 19 000

andrewza: Please don't start again. Any case SA has a far higher cash reserve. And we actually have a planes to get these new wepaons. Read SA defense review.

andrewza: The grpins can carry long rang targeting pods to desnate targets from long range.

andrewza: The tornado is not that good. Actually it is all so joke compared to the gripen.

Mbuisi: This post makes me laugh down to my bottom. It is basically about I will buy this and that. During the war there is no time to buy all that is left is to use what you already have and fight.

Mbuisi: You do not move with times you know. I told you that Nigerian education system is a disaster. Nigeria has already overtook SA since 2011 as the highest with murder with 19000. Point of correction, that 16000 of SA is not from within the period of four years, those are records dated back from 1994. Often rebel and terrorist killings are not seen as murders since such cases are difficult to prosecute. Look at the case of Rwanda where more than a million people were killed, then in that case Rwanda would have taken the trophy.

Wikipedia is your friend, take it and read further. SA may be high in percentages, but their actual number is low compared to that of Nigeria with lower percentage
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa

zetdee: Well this is a bizarre comparison, Looking at Nigeria's crime rates, 80 000 is the correct figure. Most SA murder and rape are commited by people who have close relationship with their victims and half the crimes are in the Gauteng province which has only 20% of the population. So if you don't know anyone who's violent and live outside the townships of Gauteng, than SA is very safe.

www.timeslive.co.za/local/article995207.ece/Half-of-SA-crime-is-in-Gauteng

www.csvr.org.za/index.php/programmes/criminal-justice/1845-project-close-up-on-the-study-of-the-violent-nature-of-crime.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8668615.stm

Donian007: u r surely an IGNORAMUS! Wait were u quoting Afua Hirsh's checkpoints n loading trucks? Where were u when French Defense Ministry lauded Nigerian and Senegalese Special Forces for being a good partner 4rm d early days of d Mali offensive even b4 AFISMA deployd, dsame 'checkpoint manners' dat took out Liberian rebels and saved Monrovia and Presidential Palace operating and only avn an airport as first stronghold b4 rescueing d whole nation? When d Niger Delta crisis was intense, a major militant leader Ateke Tom was quoted as saying in local palance 'Oboy JTF don block evrywhere 4 sea, no way in no way out' it waz due to d govt's threat to increase military pressure dat md d regional elders to talk d militants out of d creeks. U r realy ignorant, i'm busy else i wld lyk 2 take on u.

andrewza: Why would we maintain mach2 flight?

We have paveway 3s LGB from aemerica. And Denel makes a wide range of air to ground wepaons. The paveway 3 has a range of 18km.


All that is moot since SAAF dose operate Paveway3 and denel makes LGBs. I mean if we wanted to(total war) we could fly denel's cheeta C and use the 120km long range stand of wepaons.

Has I siad it is part of a sytem. Niheria dose not have any thing to cover rest of the air space. Well other than F7's. All so how many aircraft did the roland fail to hit. I know of only 2 losses from a roland that are covirmend (no one knows what happed with F117.) A harrier aka a subsoinic low alltuide aircraft with no EW,ECM.ESM and a A10 that is the same. I could not find reports of F16's being lost to one.

Actually many roland sytems where destroyed from the air in iraq.

Actually I can not find that report. Any case it was a test. So not under combat condstions. And the fact many where lost from air attacks. I put my money on SAAF.

So the LGB is laser guided. And SAAF train to fly with out radar. Datta link means they can use ground based radar to watch the airs.


No it shot done a A10 in iraq and a harrir in the falklands. Not really the cutting edge.

Just point out you are wrong. And any one can pentriot nigeria. Just get a aircraft better than a F7(not hard since that is most aircraft) and stay above 20,000 metters.

Basicaly the nigerian air defense could stop a 1970 era air force not a moddern 21 centrary air force.


Anf the combat suit in the gripen is far newer than 1998.

andrewza: SAAF uses the Paveway 3 and has a few other guided and stand off weapons in the pipeline. They never did that well being under the effect of a active jamming.

roland rand 8km(18km dedication range), paveway 3 range 18.5kn. gripen and hawke both carry LGBs that out range the roland. so they could sit there and turn them to dust well actively jamming there radar. basically they no threat for the current SAAF precision weapons, once some of the other newer or even older weapons come into play that have 60km range. then we just laugh at them.

they outdated and only a threat if you go low. normally they force aircraft high where other sam sytems or aircraft can threaten them. only nigeria just has the roland. if you fly above 10km you in zero danger

face it if the best you can come up with is the roland f7 combo we will just walk over you. and with only 16 system you either going to focus them at one point leaving everything els open to attack or spread them out making them less of a threat.

Mbuisi: Oops!! There are no records you have such weapons. Aguagua must have raised your hopes, psedo-expectations. Sorry!!!

Mbuisi: You are lying to your teeth with desperation in your face. Just imagine 60 000 in four years. Do you forget that I am studying international relations and taught by most reputable professors. Desperation will make you miss facts.