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zaandrew: Even though there is so much proof against it you still trying to say the same bull.


Proof of just how ignorate americans can be.

We Americans don't lie about our war casualty figures, my fellow Blackman president Obama is a testimony to that fact.

South Africa has the biggest war propaganda news media machinery in Africa, that's where you are ranked number one....telling lies.

saengine: This might have been posted before.

Project African Warrior, upgrade of the R4 assault rifle by SA company Denel Land Systems

https://img580.imageshack.us/img580/9035/21a0910o9999h062cp1.jpg

South African army Rifles that could not defeat old AK-47 rifles of the seleka rebels in CAR. nice weapons in nice photos that's the only thing south African military knows how to do....photography.


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south africa, home of the devil

where humans are roasted alive in fire, and they have a government, police and army !

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DictatorZAR: Now tell GEJ he should tell he's incompetent soldiers who killed 187 people last weekend to prepare properly before they take on ragtag BOKO BOYS who once again showed how pathetic your military is.

[size=20pt] devil in south africa [/size]



have you forgotten how you south african blacks killed your fellow black brothers like goats and roasted them like barbecue chicken ? then south african police alone could not stop the black on black political violence and the south african army/troops were called in to help the police stop the blood shed and waste of innocent human lives ?

you see nigeria's problems but you forget your own current problems and past black on black killings !

"In March 1990, savage fighting broke out between Mandela's ANC supporters and the rival Zulu-based Inkatha party, led by Mongosuthu G. Buthelezi (1928-), after thousands of Zulus were forced out of their homes in ANC-loyal areas of the southeastern province of Natal. There Zulu Inkatha members, armed with guns, knives, and sticks, battled for control of the villages in the rugged Edendale Valley, where South African troops helped police stop the bloodshed and restore order. Factional fights broke out in other areas that police struggled to halt. From July to September 1990, the bloodiest clashes in modern South African history occurred when Inkatha launched raids in the Transvaal townships, where an estimated 800 persons were slain and ANC supporters boldly defended themselves. Police with machine guns stiffled the hostilities, but afterward sporadic fighting between the rival factions took place until 1994."


web link source http://www.onwar.com/aced/nation/sat/southafrica/fsouthafrica1990.htm

zaandrew: Fool is not vulgar. If you worked in a milltary enviroment you have heard far worse things.

when you meet jacob zuma president of south africa, call him a fool to his face and he will promote you to the next navy rank.

zaandrew: Those posts where dircected at playmode. And where not insulting.

I call you a fool because you are a fool. I am not insulting you. If you wish I can. I don't need to swear or youse vulgar langue to do so either.

Calling me a fool is already vulgar language. So what's worse than that ?

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zaandrew: You the one who resorts to insults and lies when he is prooven wrong. Yet you want to call some one a looser and a failure.

You are the one who insulted me so much that your posts were hidden twice and you got banned. You have called me a fool many times when you read painful truths about south African military failures.

You are the one that writes insults to people when they prove you wrong.

Good you got banned again as usual. I hope you learnt your lesson.

KidStranglehold: The strongest military in Africa goes to Egypt and South Africa(even though they got their butts whooped by the Angolans and Cubans ) Those are the strongest military's in Africa IMO. IIRC Egypt has the largest.

your own mediocre brain puts losers and failures on top. I guess you are a loser/failure too

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[size=20pt]south african army sets new african record ?[/size]


ongoing research indicates that south african army seems to have set a new african military record by their FASTEST defeat, retreat and escape of a major military power nation in africa. information available still puts south african army on top list as the fastest collapse, defeat, retreat, abandon equipments, and escape, as well as begging for safe route out of battle zone during their disastrous battle against the seleka rebels of CAR last month march 2013.


courtesy of @patriot4

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" South African peacekeepers in CAR to support government troops suffered casualties but failed to stop the rebel advance."


"South African troops retreated to their barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport, Ms Martin said"


web link source

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21915901
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This is a United Nations staff on ground informing BBC NEWS.

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truth, south African army failed/defeated in combat and retreated/ran away in combat and seeking/begging for safe passage/escape route from the men/boys of Seleka rebels fighters.[/size]


International disgrace in deed !


. posted by augustine, aka @agaugust...abi, ema wo awon boys wonyi, won ti pari south africa ke, oga o ! yeee paripa !
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saengine::
This is for the people who said SA Troops ran away from Seleka rebels in CAR.

quote web link source. its a nice fairy tale but your story won't sell. sorry, better luck next time.

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[size=20pt]south african army sets new african record ?[/size]


ongoing research indicates that south african army seems to have set a new african military record by their FASTEST defeat, retreat and escape of a major military power nation in africa. information available still puts south african army on top list as the fastest collapse, defeat, retreat, abandon equipments, and escape, as well as begging for safe route out of battle zone during their disastrous battle against the seleka rebels of CAR last month march 2013.


courtesy of @patriot4

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" South African peacekeepers in CAR to support government troops suffered casualties but failed to stop the rebel advance."


"South African troops retreated to their barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport, Ms Martin said"


web link source

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21915901
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This is a United Nations staff on ground informing BBC NEWS.

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truth, south African army failed/defeated in combat and retreated/ran away in combat and seeking/begging for safe passage/escape route from the men/boys of Seleka rebels fighters.[/size]


International disgrace in deed !


. posted by augustine, aka @agaugust...abi, ema wo awon boys wonyi, won ti pari south africa ke, oga o ! yeee paripa !

courtesy of @patriot4

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" South African peacekeepers in CAR to support government troops suffered casualties but failed to stop the rebel advance."


"South African troops retreated to their barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport, Ms Martin said"


web link source

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21915901
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This is a United Nations staff on ground informing BBC NEWS.

truth, south African army failed/defeated in combat and retreated/ran away in combat and seeking/begging for safe passage/escape route from the men/boys of Seleka rebels fighters.


International disgrace in deed !


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andrewza: So nigeria has 10 alpha jets. 8 with some kind of mairtime upgrade. Most likly in the radar they have. Could probally put a FLIR on them.

Still only 10 jets. Or 6 since 4 are in germany.

Nigeria has 24 Alpha Jets total.

andrewza: Since niether side could launch a ground invasion I would not bother to simmult that. The attack would all was loose. Niether side can threaen each other by air either. So this will be left to the navy.

SAN would need some build up for this. But no more than 6 months if money is not a issue. We will need to get 3 of our valour class operstinal. 2 for the attack one for defense. 2 of our subs both for attack. Dransberg will be used once the area is securer. All remaing operstional SAN units will be used for defense. Though attack is highly unlikily it can happen.

Army reservest and activy duty personal will move G5 in to postion near all major ports. This four counter battry fier in the highly unlikly event of a NN ship getting that close. Airforce gripen will be on stand by in cape town.

Dransberg will reposhine to lusaka angola. It is both save and close. Nigeria is close enough that that drakensberg can remain out of the AO.

The 2 valour will harrise oil platforms. The 2 subs will postion them selfs so has too attack any NNS that moves to protecked them. The aim is to draw out any NNS ship so we can fight away from the coast. Thuse it will be a navy vs navy/air not navy vs navy/air/artley. Goal is to use the subs to kill ardu and thunder. They the only threat NN has. Once they gone we need to draw the alpha jets and F7 out. This will be risky but 2 valour frigats could handel them has long has we stay far enough out to sea where they can not use the coast to hide them selfs. The subs will now rsort to covert ops. Deploying SF to harrase oil producstion and to rearm MEND and oth hostile local groups.

Once the skys are clear dransberk can move in a conduct it's own speciol ops missions. Nigeria will quikly agree to our demands at this point.

Internastiol support for either side is not likely. Andhas long has we don't stay to long the oil disrubsion will not be to great.

i will respond to this post later, i want to do all navy, army, air force comabt, so i need more time to simulate real war and post my comment


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andrewza: Even te rebels admited to taking heavy losses. Yet you think our forces where butcherd by farmers.

I have given a number of diffrent sources on the battel one was even a rebel source. Yet you still act ignorant.

Just over 200 solders killed arround 1000 heavly armend rebels. There base was never over run and they held out till the rebels asked for a cease fire. Those are facts yet you ignore them. It shows how closed your mind is.

[size=16pt] No reliable proof of your claims above. same way you want 100% guaranteed proofs that Nigerian navy fast patrol boats have missiles, Nigerian army armoured vehicles have missiles, Nigerian air force helicopter gunships have missiles. Now same way you have to provide 100% guaranteed proof from sources of journalists of neutral countries that independently verified the claims you make of CAR seleka rebels combat casualties numbers. Only then can we believe your claims. Since you believe every military thing has internet weblink sources and photographs. [/size]


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DictatorZAR: 24 Alpha jets is a good casing point where your own sites say say 4 and defenceweb says upto 10 are operational yet some fool claim 10 maritime units.
So Abeg don't school me Hahahah Abi.

you lack information. Nigerian air force sent Alpha Jets to Germany for upgrade to full maritime combat capability in batches. First batch 4 jets completed and that's what beegeagle showcased that day. Second batch of another 4 went to Germany for similar upgrade. total budget provided for 10 Alpha jet upgrades to full maritime combat while still retaining their traditional ground attack role to support the army in land warfare. 8 Alpha jets upgraded already, budget divided for 10 jets upgrade, final 2 may be sent anytime.

You opened your mouth and pour out ignorance and lack of information. Think before you talk next time



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andrewza: did i say you had to have knowldge of every thing? But you cliaming that ceartian ships/boats can carry ASms even though they have no fire control radar is somthing that show ignorince at least on a naval matters.

I have given my company name, jobe titel, locastion, and force number you then ileagaly posted my face book profile pic, if it was my face book profile it would be a pic of me in cermonal black holding a R5. It is not ileagel to post you from the milltary, it is ileagel to prented to be a memeber of the milltaery though. That is why i would not trust any body who cliams to be milltary that is unwilling to give details. At no point have i given what barraks or unit i am in. That is privat and ileagel. nor do i post pic i have taken my self or give insider infomastion.

i have all ready done post like that but i shall do one again for you.

you have poor understanding of how weapons platforms get configured and re-configured in a matter of hours. manufacturer claims nigerian navy shaldag gunboats are built to carry 4 or 8 missiles if they wish to, and that NNS ZARIA and NNS BURUTU have no fixed weapons configuration like the shaldag boats, they can be armed with missiles if they want to

i even posted weblink for the shaldag gunboats, but you still argue...i repeat it now with quotes

" Nigerian Navy commissions Shaldag, OCEA vessels

Standard equipment on most Shaldag versions includes an X-band surveillance/navigation radar and electro-optical sensor system for day and night surveillance.

A number of armament options are available, including fore and aft deck guns, and heavy machineguns on the fly bridge. The guns can be remotely controlled (such as the 23/25 mm Typhoon and 12.7/7.62 mm Mini-Typhoon) or manually operated weapons.

In addition, a 20-23 mm naval gun can be mounted on the rear gun mount or [size=16pt]four to eight short range missiles can be carried[/size]. "


weblink source http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29434&Itemid=106

same for the NNS ZARIA and NNS BURUTU, i showed you manufacturers website, says no fixed type of weapons, they get configured.

missiles on shaldag gunboat are mounted at the back not the front. you dont know where NNS ZARIA missile mount will be, its not disclosed by manufacturer.

nigerian navy has 4 shaldag gunboats, 4 NNS ZARIA eagle class vessels (2 delivered 2 ordered). yet there is plan more of both vessels to be ordered again. i still dont know a F00L admiral that will use NNS ZARIA class vessels in year 2009 with no available missiles capability to replace NNS ANYIAM class vessels of year 1981 that has exocet missiles.

fire control radars are no issue because you dont have current photos of all 4 directional views of NNS ZARIA, it even has no photo anywhere on internet, only NNS BURUTU has two photos.

also, fire control radar is NOT necessary for NNS ZARIA, read modern technology...

"Some modern radars have a track-while-scan capability enabling it to function simultaneously as a fire-control radar and a search radar. This works either by having the radar switch between sweeping the search sector and sending directed pulses at the target to be tracked"

weblink source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-control_radar

radars, weapons, cells, guns, etc get changed randomly on modern weapon platforms nowadays to perform different roles.

it took me many hours and many weblinks posting before you agreed that BTR-3U and COBRA of nigerian forces carry missiles and have modular weapons inter-change capability. you just argue blindly about weapons as if your limited knowledge is the same limit of science and technology all over the world. NNS ZARIA/BURUTU and SHALDAGS are to a large extent, very modern modular form built weapon platforms/ships/vessels

you said nigerian navy sea drone has no radar, go back to the photo and see its radar on top of it very clear to see. here is weblink to show you that modern drones generally can carry radar in addition to camera, infra red, and still use GPS to find targets. you were very wrong. its a new israeli made drone you dont have in south africa, you dont know the hi-tech of the nigerian drones type of hardware, different from older types and air borne types.

weblink source http://www.howstuffworks.com/predator.htm

about 10 nigerian alpha jets have been changed to anti-shipping combat versions by full upgrade in germany. it they dont carry anti-ship missiles how will they attack a war ship from safe distance and avoid enemy anti-aircraft defences ? will the alpha jets use bow and arrows ?

"The Nigerian Air Force order for 24 units of Alpha Jets were the only ones delivered through German (Dornier) production lines. All the rest Alpha Jet airframes were produced in France by Dassault.

These upgraded variants of the Alpha Jet appear to have been optimised for maritime patrols and counterinsurgency operations.

Note the six hardpoints (as against the traditional four hardpoints) on the upgraded Alpha Jet and the maritime grey camouflage."

weblink source http://beegeagle./2012/06/10/nigerias-upgraded-alpha-jet-aircraft-have-apparently-been-optimised-for-maritime-and-counterinsurgency-operations/


you see the you dont understand modern weapons modular format, see the quote above about shaldag...it says...standard hardware, optional weapons, and then additional weapons. then you just jump to conclusion about a nigerian weapon from your bedroom in south africa ! that is bad for any military commander, you are the only soldier i know who talks like that, your rank is very low, like army sergeant/naval seaman II. no insult intended.



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andrewza: You genrail lack of knowlege some one of your claimend level is what gives me that impression.

And I have said before there is no way a genrial war between SA and nigeria could be. It would be limted to naval battels. Some where SA has a strong point now and based on planed funded for awustions will remian a SA strong point.

my military comments have more weblink sources proof than yours, mostly you talk with no weblink proof, you just say your private opinion

sure, no single person is a master of all military weapons, because there are thousands of weapons all over the world.
that is why war plans are done by join military top brass of generals, admirals, air marshals.

i have never claimed to be a master of all military weapons or war in general, i have openly said i am a civilian with far above average military knowledge for my level as a civilian, not a soldier. i do work in a private military consultancy company as support/assistant research staff with a few years on the job. i would not be childish and publish the name of the company here, augustine is not a F00L, nobody on this topic in nairaland has openly posted the name of the company he works for.

i think that is lack of maturity and discipline to post the name of where you work on this forum, just to prove a point to people who have no face. you andrew did it, and i think its military indiscipline for you to post your south african navy service/registration number on an internet forum just to prove a point...no nigerian soldier will ever do that !

i am not a master of military knowledge, but i know what i know, and you cannot take it away from me.

you say i am fake, then you @andrewza the original, i challenge you to simulate a war between nigeian vs south armed forces and post for us to see.

i am sure you will run away from the above challenge, you are only waiting for me to do it then you will look for what you can criticize/complain about and run me down with your mouth, not with your brains.

a self acclaimed builder that refuses the call to build a house, but waits for another builder to construct the house, then he comes around to inspect it to find faults, is a shame to the building profession....complaining about what others do when you could not do it.

copy and paste master andrewza coetze, i challenge you today if you have the courage of a real soldier, accept my challenge !


[size=16pt] i challenge you to this test of real war knwoledge @andrewza, and let all south africans and nigerian judge your full war simulation and my own ! [/size]

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DictatorZAR: You've saying this since last year now.

you want me to use my brain to simulate a full war of all nigerian armed forces vs south african armed forces...but you south africanjs said many times that i am a fake military consultancy staff. so why dont you or @andrewza do it and let us see your simulation.

what you are asking for is the most difficult thing in military operation, it is usually done in real war by a team of combatant generals, admirals, air marshals to bring all the armies, navies, and air forces of two different countries against each other in full scale war.

you will never find it to copy and paste from internet, it does not exist there, it is pure 100% brain work, technical.

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[size=20pt] most honest south african on nairaland [/size]

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John_za: Ok I am probably the last one any of you want to hear from right now, but I am a white South African (though I don't think that should matter), and this debate as to who is better than who is kinda pointless as we tend to compare ones strengths to another weakness. South Africa may be stronger in terms of hardware and technology making it better at conventional warfare, but when did we last have conventional war in African, On the other side, Nigeria has a lot more experience than we do dealing with rebel armies in the African situation however if it came time to invade another country a knowledge as to how to defeat a rebel army wouldn't be as useful as knowledge in conventional warfare, so each country has its strengths where it out does the other,

it doesn't matter how many submarines or fighter jets South Africa cause they wont be able to remove a rebel army, you need experienced soldiers,

and yet in conventional warfare it doesn't matter how many troops Nigeria has because he who controls the skies and navel trade routes runs the game.

Looking at Military strength is a very poor way of determine a countries ability to make war, a countries army is only as good as its logistical arm will allow it, even the most up to date tank is useless when it runs out of full and ammunition, and at the same time you need a economy to support the logistics. An example of that is Zimbabwe launching a large military campaign into Congo, sure they drove the rebels back, but at the cost of their economy (sure other factors made the situation worse, but the fact remains, war bankrupts countries)

This whole dispute as to who can defeat who is kinda pointless, South Africa cannot conquer Nigeria even in our wildest dreams, and Nigeria can't touch us,

its a simple logistical problem, the South African army just doesn't have the man power to control a country the size of Nigeria if they don't want us there, and Nigeria who may (and that is a very small chance) have the numbers to hold South Africa have no way of getting their troops to South Africa and then sustaining them once they are there. The closest either side could come to a victory in such a situation would be if South Africa used its submarines and more advanced navel ships to blockade the Nigerian ports, stopping oil exports and there by crippling the Nigerian economy and then hold a siege on the economy till the Nigerian government surrender, but other than that,

any attempt by us South Africa to land boots on the ground in Nigeria would be as suicidal, and any attempt for Nigeria to invade South Africa either via a long distance land run through a number of other African countries or via a amphibious landing assault would be equally suicidal

As for the general question as to which country in Africa has the strongest army, I wont hazard a guess, I think the other options laid forward thus far are good enough indications. Hope my post hasn't offended anyone.

@John_za, you are clearly the most honest south african on nairaland based on this comment, and hoping you dont change to become dishonest like @andrewza who becomes more corrupted every new day.

i agree with some of your comments, but i TOTALLY disagree with your comment that south african navy will blockade nigerian waters, now way man ! the nigerian army will sink all the south african warships and your submarines will return to south africa when they get tired of sitting down in the ocean with no results.

have you ever seen where an army defeats a navy ? i will show you in some days time when i do a combat simulation.


is this man still around ? this post has inspired me to do what i didnt want to do....simulate a full scale war nigerian military versus south african military in real life-like combat

it will take me about a week to put it together and post...i was initially discouraged by south africans dishonesty, deliberate insincerity, unwillingness to admit wrong, refusal to take correction of errors and very clear lies on this forum .

i would do it if @John_za is still available to read it and comment sincerely, but i dont want to do it for time wasters and dishonest liars from south africa.



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andrewza: Evry post you post make beliving you in the fefense idustry harder and harder.

...and every post you make tells us you are not a combat soldier...non-combatant...more like a cook/chef or photographer

andrewza: There is no ship invisbil to radar. Even the visby can be seen. You can decrease the range of dedctsion and what you will be locked on.

dont talk like a fraud. my first post said, NNS ZARIA stealth will make it NOT appear as war vessel on SAS DRAKENSBERG radar, then @DictatorZAR said nothing like stealth capability on NNS ZARIA, he wanted to confuse people, so i changed my language to 'invisible' to let people know how stealth ships really are.

from pages 1 to 11 you south africans were boasting about your Valour frigate warships that NNS ARADU and NNS THUNDER cannot detect by radar. now on page 192 we bring up nigerian navy stealth fast patrol vessels ans you begin to deny that stealth ships are invisible to radar.

does the universal principles of science and technology change their capacity when it is nigerian equipment ?

stealth ships like south african valour size 121m frigate will look like a small fishing boat in radar screen, nigerian NNS ZARIA size 38m will look like a swimming shark fish or dolphin fish in radar screen of NNS DRAKENSBERG, then ZARIA is invisible as a ship because no ships is the size of a fish like dolphin or shark.

weblink source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_technology

NNS ZARIA will sink your SAS DRAKENSBERG because you cannot see the ZARIA launching attack missile with nigerian israeli drone tracking the target for her.

other attack options, nigeria's newly upgraded maritime combat Alpha Jets will use anti-ship missiles to sink south african DRAKENSBERG ship, or NNS THUNDER will use superior 76mm guns to shell it down to the sea bottom.

your south african warship was ZERO threat to nigeria when it was in ivory coast waters.

andrewza: Nigeria has many ships with out missiels and has not put in a order for a new ship misile or even a AGM in years.

like i said before, show me weblink proof of this claim and i will drink my own urine in the toilet. nigerian airforce Mi-35 hind helicopter gunships too came in year 2010 without missiles ? abi you dey craze for head ?

andrewza: Drankensberg has had many rfits over the years, it hull is 30 years old not it's radar, pumps, propuslion, gemorators, fire fighting sytems extra get upgraded and updated through out the years.

source please, quote weblink source to prove this claim, same way you asked nigerian to quote weblink source to prove NNS THUNDER has been upgraded with new weapons and electronics for combat. judge yourself the same way you judge other people.

andrewza: The pic you posted are of ships that can not fire any meanful missil and at best can fire a AGM with a anti ship war head. No threat a ship dransbers size.

explain military definition of 'meaningful missile', i cannot find it in military dictionary. dont be like a drunkard, i just posted weblink source that Argentina's 14m size jet fighter carried and fired a size 5m size exocet and sank a whole British Navy destroyer class warship of size 125m and weight 5,000 tonnes in falkland war ! NNS ZARIA is size 38m and almost 3 times the size of that jet fighter. are you sick or drunk @andrewza ?

ordinary nigerian navy shaldag gunboat size 24m is manufacturer specified to carry 4 to 8 missiles. NNS ZARIA size 38m is much bigger than our shaldag gunboats.

weblink source http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29434&Itemid=106

andrewza: No I am not a chef(navy has no chefs) but the fact you mention that shows how poor you knowlege of naval warfare is. Chefs don't just cook. They assented gunners, medics and fire fighters. The more qulfied than you would ever know.

...you are almost certainly a non-combatant soldier, your ability to simulate real life combat is too poor. i am a civilian, but i simulate life-like combat that defeats you, even with a smaller weapon than yours.

DictatorZAR: Mow this is why I call you a fool

Do you even know how much a aircraft carrier costs today Nigeria don't even have the expertise to do in house upgrades on fleet of jets and airlift planes.

Nimitz class cost $4,6bn per ship in 1977 and the total commissioning cost and electronics costs $22,6bn

The brand new Gerald Ford Class Carriers which will ve commissioned in 2015 is estimated to be $26,8bn

Now that's over 10times Nigeria's current military budget.

There's less then 6 nations with aircraft carries to date and most of them have $60-150bn (excluding US +$700bn) annual budget yet a country that cannot even master $4bn military budget wants a carrier.

You @all4naija are something else really you are either a fool or plain ignorant and daft

[size=14pt] India buys Russia aircraft carrier $1.5 Billion [/size]

CNN NEWS, Tuesday, January 20, 2004 Posted: 6:37 AM EST (1137 GMT)


NEW DELHI, India (CNN) -- India has signed a $1.5 billion deal to buy a used Russian aircraft carrier and Russian fighter jets.

Indian Defense Minister George Fernandes on Tuesday inked the package that includes the carrier Admiral Gorshkov and 28 MiG-29k fighters as Sergei Ivanov, his Russian counterpart, looked on.

Web link source : http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/01/20/india.warship/index.html


Nigeria's current cash reserves can buy our navy 30 aircraft carriers of India's type if we want it, but we don't need it.

Nigeria's dollar reserves can buy our air force 100 Grippen jets if we want it, but we don't need that much jets.


@DictatorZAR, did I hear you call @all4naija a F00L ?
from the post above, who is the real F00L ?

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DictatorZAR: Mow this is why I call you a fool

Do you even know how much a aircraft carrier costs today Nigeria don't even have the expertise to do in house upgrades on fleet of jets and airlift planes.

Nimitz class cost $4,6bn per ship in 1977 and the total commissioning cost and electronics costs $22,6bn

The brand new Gerald Ford Class Carriers which will ve commissioned in 2015 is estimated to be $26,8bn

Now that's over 10times Nigeria's current military budget.

There's less then 6 nations with aircraft carries to date and most of them have $60-150bn (excluding US +$700bn) annual budget yet a country that cannot even master $4bn military budget wants a carrier.

You @all4naija are something else really you are either a fool or plain ignorant and daft

[size=16] my next post will prove you wrong in a few minutes, the Nigerian guy @all4naija was very right [/size]


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all4naija: @ andrewza

Have you forgotten Nigeria has the money to purchase flight carrier ship if it comes to that? It just for the senate to agree with the president and within a twinkling-of-an-eye it is done. In the case of SA the economic power whites will not agree with black government and the members of the parliament will have to take long time to grapple with too much noise before even considering on purchasing new Brazilian made bombers.

[size=16pt]. my next post will prove you right in a few minutes from now [/size]...you win bro !

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andrewza: they did non of the job, they provide a few sensors to put on it.

quote source web link to prove your new claim or else I will call you a ****

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sheyie2007: SUNSAT, an advanced microsatellite developed by graduate students at Stellenbosch University in South Africa, will be launched by NASA from Vandenberg Airforce Base on a Delta II rocket currently manifested for August 1997. The Flight Model hardware is nearly complete and is now being pre-flight tested. This paper commences with an overview of the overall system, which comprises of three main payloads, namely a push broom type imager, packet communications systems and scientific experiments for NASA and the CSIR.

Laboratory measured performance data are provided for the 15 m resolution 3 colour CCD imager of SUNSAT, developed jointly by Stellenbosch University, the Council for Scientific Industrial Research (CSIR) in South Africa and the Korean Advanced Institute of Science and Technology (KAIST). The realisation and laboratory tests of VHF and UHF data collection and dissemination communications modules are described, as well as the operation of an S-band down link transmitter for image data and an L-band up link for rapid file transfers.

The various satellite bus systems is also described. The paper is concluded with a summary of the benefits and future of the microsatellite development laboratory at Stellenbosch University.

BACKGROUND
The SUNSAT programme set out in 1992 with three major goals, namely

to enrich the engineering graduate training programme at Stellenbosch University,
to expand international scientific co-operation

International collaboration has provided a launch opportunity for SUNSAT in 1997. NASA has agreed to launch SUNSAT free of charge as an auxiliary payload on their P-91 Delta mission2. In exchange, the SUNSAT microsatellite has been modified to incorporate a NASA supplied GPS receiver, and a set of laser retro-reflectors. Under this agreement the SUNSAT microsatellite will supply NASA scientists with data from their instruments, which will enable them to study gravitational effects by means of orbit perturbations.
http://research.ee.sun.ac.za/sunsat/sspapers/compayl.htm

why claim you did it all?

[size=16pt]. The above post finished the south Africans on Satellite matters. Case closed. [/size]


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sheyie2007: SUNSAT, an advanced microsatellite developed by graduate students at Stellenbosch University in South Africa, will be launched by NASA from Vandenberg Airforce Base on a Delta II rocket currently manifested for August 1997. The Flight Model hardware is nearly complete and is now being pre-flight tested. This paper commences with an overview of the overall system, which comprises of three main payloads, namely a push broom type imager, packet communications systems and scientific experiments for NASA and the CSIR.

Laboratory measured performance data are provided for the 15 m resolution 3 colour CCD imager of SUNSAT, developed jointly by Stellenbosch University, the Council for Scientific Industrial Research (CSIR) in South Africa and the Korean Advanced Institute of Science and Technology (KAIST). The realisation and laboratory tests of VHF and UHF data collection and dissemination communications modules are described, as well as the operation of an S-band down link transmitter for image data and an L-band up link for rapid file transfers.

The various satellite bus systems is also described. The paper is concluded with a summary of the benefits and future of the microsatellite development laboratory at Stellenbosch University.

BACKGROUND
The SUNSAT programme set out in 1992 with three major goals, namely

to enrich the engineering graduate training programme at Stellenbosch University,
to expand international scientific co-operation

International collaboration has provided a launch opportunity for SUNSAT in 1997. NASA has agreed to launch SUNSAT free of charge as an auxiliary payload on their P-91 Delta mission2. In exchange, the SUNSAT microsatellite has been modified to incorporate a NASA supplied GPS receiver, and a set of laser retro-reflectors. Under this agreement the SUNSAT microsatellite will supply NASA scientists with data from their instruments, which will enable them to study gravitational effects by means of orbit perturbations.
http://research.ee.sun.ac.za/sunsat/sspapers/compayl.htm

why claim you did it all?

[size=16pt]. The above post finished the south Africans on Satellite matters. Case closed. [/size]


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andrewza: Thanks for proofing you have no comprension skills.

This proofs it was a south african sterlight built in SA by south africans. The sytems where south african but it carried US and SK experants. This shows both the US and SK saw it has a good desghine.

did you fall inside swimming pool that had beer instead of water ? his post and we link source proved south African satellite is jointly built by Korea, NOT 100% by your Zulu nation as you and @DivtatirZAR falsely claimed, south did NOT build the micro-satellite alone, KOREA did half of the job or even more


Then it's a micro-satellite you south Africans had in that Korean project Nigerian satellites are much bigger and more powerful and the best in all Africa


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andrewza: Here is a link for you.

http://mampoer.co.za/helmoed-heitman/the-battle-in-bangui

south African website as web link source ! no sir, please post a neutral source from reliable international agencies, don't feed our stomach with south African cooked CAR war propaganda chicken soup, we are not that hungry !



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andrewza: Both the iss and strp give reports on the difrrent ships and what anti ship missiel are carried by them and how many have been bought.

post the ISS and STRP sources that you claim above and show me list of all Nigerian missiles purchased from year 2000 to 2013 and I will drink my own urine !




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patriot4: No you need SELEKA to train you!

seleka rebels already did, they trained south African army how to fight real war without using weapons photographs....however, BBC report says 13 south African soldiers died during that practical training and 27 wounded, and some south African army vehicles also experienced change of ownership by force.


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souldust: remove copy and paste from existence and this Thiza of a guy becomes incapacitated!

Those are the only two buttons he can press on his laptop mouse or keyboard.

Copy...gbam

paste...gbosa


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