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Thiza: THE COST OF NIGERIAN PEACE KEEPING OPERATIONS

In London, Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo told the BBC his country was ready to send peacekeepers to Liberia, but that Nigeria lacked the means to finance a peacekeeping operation alone. "It is our problem, but it is not our problem alone," he said. "It is in fact Africa's problem and it is a world problem...(the troops) are not there because we haven't got the capacity to do all that is necessary, and we made that clear." Obasanjo said twelve years of peacekeeping efforts in Liberia and Sierra Leone had cost his country $12 billion and more than 1,000 Nigerian lives. A peacekeeping force in Liberia is expected to cost over $100 million, and the Obasanjo said that so far no country had stepped forward with the necessary funds. "What we are saying is give us adequate material and logistic support and we will do the job," he said. "We have two battalions of over 1,500 ready to go in. We cannot do that alone."

Thiza: South African troops should feel good about their performance which was no disgrace at all....atleast they gave a good account of themselves than be disarmed.

Tragedy has affected all of the best militaries of the world but however is not how many times one falls but how many times you stand up and be counted.

United States suffered humiliating defeat in Vietnam
Soviet Union (Russian) experianced the same fate in Afghanistan.
Guatemala Special Forces suffered 12 against LRA IN DR Congo.
Indian forces disarmed and held hostage by rebels in Sierra Leone.
Nigerian forces humiliated in Darfur.
British Commandos captured by rebels in Sierra Leone.
19 US Rangers killed in Mogadishu.
More than 500 Russians special forces killed by Chenchen rebels in Grozny.

Countless countries have experianced such set backs and SANDF IS NOT THE FIRST AND NOT THE LAST.....BUT SHOULD BE PROUD TO FOUGHT A GOOD FIGHT WHICH NIGERIANS ENVY

andrewza: Some of the finest display of milltay skill has come from defeats or great losses. Delive wood in WW1 france was such a battel where under 10% of the SA forces suvervid but still held there ground. There was even a last radio messeg from one company that basicaly siad.(We out of ammo enemy preparing for a attack, will hold to the last.)

The SA forcese in CAR proofed that SA forces will not go down with out a fight.
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2106/2150305551_fa1afbbcfa_m.jpg

DictatorZAR: Stop talking nonsense till to date no one has shown proof of that. SA soldiers are deployed all over the continent and even went into Burundi without a UN or AU mandate and look at where that country is today we trained there soldiers and today Burundi has deployed there soldiers to Somalia under a AU mandate.


By the way your soldiers have not even covered themselves in glory and has been accused of numerous rap*e and indiscriminate killings from Sierra Leone to even Liberia. Military deployments the world over has a agenda no one can dispute that fact.

andrewza: Look up the k car and g car model aleote 3. Those where armend versions. At no point where they attack helcopters. Even the lynxe AT version is not called a attach helicopter.

The hind has been called a assult helicopter but has it is the only of it's class it is grouped under attack helicopters.


Are you sure you work for the deffense industry.

andrewza: Putting weapons on transport helicopter dose not make it a attack helicopter. You can(and has been done) mount weapons on a orxy. Are they now attack helicopters, how about the lynx or our A109s witch are the same helicopter has those in nigeria.

I have yet to see a nigerian A109 or Mi17 with AGMs, yes they can carry, but i don't think they do.

And the force we had in CAR was not even a spec of what we have and they still killed around 500 enemy rebels. So nigeria dose not fear me.

You seem to not under stand weapons and military systems at all. You sure you work in the field.

DictatorZAR: Does SA kill its each who visits another state/province because of religious and tribal reasons including grazing of cattle(which fulani herdsman are notorious hackers of innocent villagers) within SA no.

So come with another claim please

andrewza: Since when are transport helicopters attack helicopters. Please. Don't think we are are fools.

andrewza: The rooikat is not old. And niether are slow or under armourd or armerd.

You got BTR3-U but not the guardian version. UAE is the only operiotor of that version. The most comon BTR3-U in nigeria has no AGMs. Stope thinking we are fools. And you only have 47 BTR3-U of them 30 are IFV the rest are recon, commond and other speclised versions. So please. Stop being foolish.

agaugust: .


[size=16pt] nigerian air force helicopter gunships 55 units

south african air force helicopter gunships 11 units [/size]



Mi-35 Hind E (aka Mi-24V) – 3 units
Mi-35P Hind F – 11 units
Mi-171Sh Terminator – 10 units

TOTAL = 24 units

http://beegeagle./2013/03/18/procurement-news-nigerian-air-force-acquire-3nos-mi-35p-hind-

attack-helicopters-6nos-mi-171sh-terminator-assault-helicopters-from-russia-expecting-a-maiden-haul-of-of-2nos-

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BO 105 C, MBB GERMANY

http://www.armyrecognition.com/nigeria_uk/nigeria_nigerian_army_land_ground_forces_military_equipment_arm

oured_vehicle_pictures_information_de.html

TOTAL = 24 units

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Augusta AW 109 LUH

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Air_Force
https://beegeagle./2011/08/31/on-nigerian-navy-and-nigerian-air-force-agusta-helicopters/

TOTAL = 7 units
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nigeria will wipe out all south african armoured vehicles withing few hours of real battle, then you will know that seleka rebels of CAR are just like an ant compared to nigerian military forces.

your weeping has just started !


case closed, its time to roast south africa !



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DictatorZAR: Show me the 55 attack helo and the links please and not the usual ranting claims.

Few hours of battle when and where you don't even have the air firepower to take on an Umkhonto IR SAM as we speak.

While you have the Cobra VBL's we have the Ingwe missile systems to counter any mobile threat.

While have the BTR-U SANDF has the
-Badger with variants fitted with Ingwe anti tank systems.
-Ratel 90mm with a variant fitted with Ingwe as sown in picture below
-RG-35 APV with variants fitted with multirole anti-tank and land systems.
-Rooikat 105mm which is 10times more mobile then any heavy T72 MBT's and enough fire power to take them out.

It seems your miss calculated naïve patriotic rhetoric has again lack substance.

DictatorZAR: Why are you Nigerians continuesly questioning SA's citizenry on the bases of color. If we south africans have accepted our diversity no foreigner who don't even live and work in his own country has the right to question it. Why don't you Nigerians question Latino's, A Amreicans, Jews and others who migrated to US as foreigners, because the US is the worlds biggest immigrated nation.

Stop trying to dictate to us who is South African because that's for us to decide not Nigerians.

andrewza: Nigeria I think nigeria 2nd or 1st with arillry in terms of numbers.

Nigeria has arround 300(T72/chieftan) or so modernish MBT tanks and another 100 or older MBT(t55) puting them pretty high. SA has about 275 MBT though the Rooikat76 can take out most tanks in Africa with a frontal shot and at a longer ranger.

Nigeria does not have enough APC and IFV for there size and far to few helicopters.

andrewza: Lol. You are ignorant. All the people in those industies in SA are south african. BAE OMC land sytem was all was a SA company, BAE just bought out majoraty shares. The company is still south african. Same has all our other companys.

andrewza: What SA tech relies heavly on foreigners.

andrewza: Your APCs are nothing speciol and I thought the brits constructed your saterrlight

Henry120: Let's also see how points deduction goes for SANDF, from getting whooped by farmers in CAR, to getting disarmed by a ragtag group and apparent show of cowardice and incompetence

Whooped by a farmer army= 20 points
Incompetence= 10 points
Dis armed by a farmer army= 20 points
Farmer army member cruising SA trucks=10 points
Loud mouthed and retracting = 10 points
Ill equipped to carry out your mission= 10 points
Cowardice= 10 points
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90 points in total

MajorJ: No stupid, its cause they are still ironing out few 'talks" did you even read the link you posted, i guess you are one of the products of a failed education system, the link you posted doesn't even mention equip... talk less of equipment my friend you needa get a brain check up

homerac7: The above canceled and bolded show high ignorance of reality of war on terror. I think you should stick to your SANDF photo parade which I have been enjoying, this attempt to do an arm-chair strategic analyst of Nigerian local war on terror is discrediting your efforts. Your military has never fought terrorism, so you will never know what it is like until you come face-to-face with it. It is never by the books; hope you guys learnt anything from this SELEKA trumping, did you?



...and you too, look before you leap. stop aping. You have followed your friend into a field you know next to nothing about. You have never been close to Nigeria Military and suddenly you delve into issues of command? This is preposterous sir. Before you go ahead, if you know so much about your own military, then I think you need to consult with some of your men who have been exposed to the Nigerian Military and seek advice.

at all, I have been enjoying the debates here along with the banters. But I think people should be more honest with their claims.

sithwell: Hey @gaugust, and @DictatorZAR; are we moving on or what?

Regardless of who has wronged whom; or who is angry with whom, we can move on, right? We have laboured this point from all sides now; and I am sure we are starting to be pests on this thread. Let us do it like men now and consider it settled and all necessary apologies impliedly given,so that those who need to save face will do so successfully

If anything, let us do it out of respect for the other thread contributors.

Yes, @agaugust, I do see some glimpses of gentlemanly conduct So, put the sword down and join the party.

Kumbaya?

sithwell: Ok, now my friend, you are starting to sound idiotic. It's very clear that Sithwell responded to statements that were already here with facts and data, which didn't sit well with you as you couldn't challenge it.

If you go back to my very first post, it has quoted text from one of your posts. You had put up uninformed statements about slavery and AIDS. All I did was "correct" that. Now, either we move on from this topic or you say something factual for a change. Sithwell attacked no one.

I have been trying to pacify you for close to 24 hours now. That doesn't mean I should be made the scapegoat for your own behaviour.

Keep things military and there'll be no trouble here.

Let's move on buddy.

agaugust: Okay pal. Many thanks. Cheerio.

DictatorZAR: Listen here don't talk sh*t go back and read your own comments after that @jj guy post his comments. Yopu started the hiv sh*t when you had no response .

now go ahead edit your posts

sithwell: Contrary to certain views, Nigeria is one of the few countries in the world that practise modern-day slavery

1.Quote - "Nigeria is one of the countries in Africa and the world out large that still practice slavery in every sense of it" ---> http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-838516

2.Quote - "Slavery is still alive in Nigeria" ---> http://www.makeapact.org/documents/Slavery%20is%20still%20alive%20in%20Nigeria.pdf.

Extract - "At least one million Nigerian children are sold into internal and external slavery annually, according to experts who say this has put the country on an odious list of the world‟s eight worst abusers of the rights of children."

3. Extract - "[b]Grace was one of the people who took part in a research study published today that the UK-based organisations IPPR and Eaves, and the Nigerian organisation dRPC carried out with people who had been trafficked from Nigeria to the UK. Human trafficking from Nigeria is of major concern [...]"
http://humantrafficwatch./tag/nigeria/

4. Extract - Modern-Day Slavery in Africa: 40,000 Nigerian Women Trafficked for Sex --->http://www.nationalreview.com/the-feed/248220/modern-day-slavery-africa-40-000-nigerian-women-trafficked-sex

5. A video explaining how Nigeria still exports slaves to Europe ---> http://www.zuzeeko.com/2011/12/nigeria-human-trafficking-and-modern.html

Hello, everyone. Have an enjoyable Friday.

sithwell: Awwww, @Agaugust. Don't be mad, now. Come give me a hug...

It's time to hastily move on to the beautiful military discussion that we non-miltary inclined topic followers have been enjoying for months - until some uninformed person decided to spoil it.

DictatorZAR: Now the same thing should apply to @Agaugust and the other new punk who started bashing countries.

Hypocrisy bro ain't any good on this thread either.

sithwell: Hello agaugust

1. The dire reality of Nigeria's AIDS situation has been dealt with extensively here, with back-up data and study findings provided ---> https://www.nairaland.com/897396/where-south-africa-without-white/10

The information provided by me in this thread ^, as well as in the other thread here -->https://www.nairaland.com/897396/where-south-africa-without-white/10 is yet to be is sitting unchallenged.



See pages 10-12.


Enjoy your Friday further :-)

sithwell: Hello agaugust

The dire reality of Nigeria's AIDS situation has been dealt with extensively here, with back-up data and study findings provided ---> https://www.nairaland.com/897396/where-south-africa-without-white/10

See pages 10-12.


Enjoy your Friday further :-)

sithwell: Contrary to certain views, Nigeria is one of the few countries in the world that practise modern-day slavery

1.Quote - "Nigeria is one of the countries in Africa and the world out large that still practice slavery in every sense of it" ---> http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-838516

2.Quote - "Slavery is still alive in Nigeria" ---> http://www.makeapact.org/documents/Slavery%20is%20still%20alive%20in%20Nigeria.pdf.

Extract - "At least one million Nigerian children are sold into internal and external slavery annually, according to experts who say this has put the country on an odious list of the world‟s eight worst abusers of the rights of children."

3. Extract - "[b]Grace was one of the people who took part in a research study published today that the UK-based organisations IPPR and Eaves, and the Nigerian organisation dRPC carried out with people who had been trafficked from Nigeria to the UK. Human trafficking from Nigeria is of major concern [...]"
http://humantrafficwatch./tag/nigeria/

4. Extract - Modern-Day Slavery in Africa: 40,000 Nigerian Women Trafficked for Sex --->http://www.nationalreview.com/the-feed/248220/modern-day-slavery-africa-40-000-nigerian-women-trafficked-sex

5. A video explaining how Nigeria still exports slaves to Europe ---> http://www.zuzeeko.com/2011/12/nigeria-human-trafficking-and-modern.html

Hello, everyone. Have an enjoyable Friday.