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andrewza: the number of sa solderd never changed, the extra dead rebels died from there wounds.

andrewza: Both the iss and strp give reports on the difrrent ships and what anti ship missiel are carried by them and how many have been bought.

andrewza: Some more facts from the battel in car

First is a compasion made. It mentions the britsh army 3rd paara battlion 2006 helmand deployment that they regurde has a hard fought deployment. In helmand 1200 parabats with light armour and air support lost 15 KIA and 46WIA and fired 479 000 rounds over 6 months.

The SANDF force of just ove 200 over one weekend fired 1200 12.7mm rounds alone from just 4 MGs and in total used 10 tones of ammo. Suverd 13 dead and 27 wounded. Killed up to 800 rebels, though total rebel losses is now over 1000 due to poor medical treatment. Not bad for 200 solders with company level wepaons.

The rebel force was between 4000 to 8000.

There where just over 2000 CAR troops(seen has the most trusted of there army) and 760 regional forces. The french got up to 600 but had said they would not help. They even told the SA force commanda they would not help to send troops.

Most SA losses accord out side te base (the base was deemed a poor deffensive postion and was the third last defensive line the last 2 being the rout to the air port and then the last stand at the air port or reatret in to DRC.

SA ended up fighting on 2 fronts and the parabats had to abondon there vechiles and head cross contry during a night battel to escape a rebel trap. There where cases of hand to hand fighting.

The seleka genrial leading the attack on the captial was a form CAR officer. And was trainded by the SANDF

Source the book about the battel bangue

Noticte the diffrences in cassulties and size of the force. And the fact was they where fighting on 2 fronts.

andrewza: Fist. Show proof they where fited to carry exocet. Second a singel exocet will not sink drakensberg. War ships a built to be hit. Even the

littel strike craft can sail(and thus fight) with up to 3 water tight compart mints flooded. It will need to be one luck missil to do a one shot kill

Third. Stealth ships get detectord all the time. If you want to fire a missiel and a distance target you need to turn on your radar or use some other advance sensore sytem. Nigeria only uses radar. So in order to fire it no longer stealth.

DictatorZAR: Listen here Mr stop your foolish rhetoric.

No one here said or claimed that the NNS Zaria can't carry missiles because there are 28m PC with missiles the world over. Now go to your own beeagle site and check the armorment of the Zaria yourself. Now since when has a 38m PC armed with 40mm guns became a warship, this only shows

your blindness in trying to prop up your chronic lack of knowledge. The Zaria is a inshore PC and that's a fact.
Armorments and weapons on a 38m PC's are limited due to its hull sizes and the types of missiles it can carry is limited including its radar and other systems

I don't know where you got the so called stealth dream from but this is exactly what I said that you are out of your depth here.

Henry120: in its military innovation and invention as it has produced a Surveillance Vehicle and deployed it for intelligence gathering for AFISMA operations in Mali.

This was disclosed Tuesday by the Director of Army Public Relations (DAPR), Bri-Gen. Ibrahim Attahiru during the monthly press briefing to inform the general public of their activities during the month under review.

Attahiru explained that the vehicle, which was produced by the 51 Division Signal Nigerian Army


http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/peacekeeping-army-deploys-own-unmanned-surveillance-vehicle-to-mali/145097/

DictatorZAR: How can someone who supposedly works in a defense related industry who regularly speaks and consults ex generals from the USM on military matters want to have a 38m/225t coastal patrol craft without any missiles against a 147m/12500t which is bigger then most destroyers in navies today against each other.

The Suncraft AKA NNS Zaria/Burutu has
-1 bofors 40mm surface gun 3nm AA/
-2 ST Kinetics 20mm surface gun 1NM AA
-2 removable machine gun pintles

Now @Aguagust SAN only needs to a Orxy helo to sink both of them. Without even using the Drakensburg's own defense systems.

The SAS DKN can detect those two stealth ships miles if they use such EW suits.

andrewza: SL and liberia where not modern combat. Know modern C4I3R sytems where put to the test. A lot of sytems nigeria has now where unheard of back then, there was no EW,ECCM used or needed. The war in angola feilded far more modern and advance sytems and it was fough a few years before them.

homerac7: @ Andrewza,

You can lie!

Anyone who doesn't know better will think what he's saying is true. Guy, how did useless SANDF mercenaries stop the war in Sierra Leone? Abi you dey crase ni? When the whole world knows Nigeria literally single handedly stopped the war, now you got drunk from cheap rum and you come here to tell us that your useless SANDF won WW2 for Allied Forces. Guy, walahi you don crase finally!

Again, does presence of BMW, BAE Systems and host of other western industries in SA make them SA companies? You and your lying brothers come here and pervade the whole places with your plethora of lies about things that are not. Next thing you will tell us is how SA sold nuclear technology to US, ...how 300 SANDF went to space to fight aliens for training,...how SANDF soldiers who were sent to fight in Nigeria civil war captured Ojukwu and handcuffed and took him away to CIV,...how 300 Spartan soldiers were SANDF, ...Spartacus and Jack Bauer are SANDF soldiers....bla bla bla

Guy, give it up, your lies no dey sell again. Shuo? I guess they train you in SAN to lie stupidly, abi?

Come o, abi Pinky and the Brain sef na SANDF guys?

andrewza: yes if they run by nigerians they nigerian but since SA produces 80% of all cars in africa it means nothing, nigeria is the second biggest export of those cars after algeria(excluding SADC since they not listed has exports)those oil companies are not run by local or if they are they stand back has the vast majority of the revenue is sent out of the country. a good way to know if it is a local branch is looking at the name example ford in SA is called FORD SA

andrewza: Show me proof of nigerian troops taking charge and rooting out rebels. The commander may be a nigerian. But that dose not mean nigerian troops are in charge.

andrewza: Show me proof of nigerian troops taking charge and rooting out rebels. The commander may be a nigerian. But that dose not mean nigerian troops are in charge.

andrewza: And it has been a masive problem. No county helped pakstan get the bomb and no one will help nigeria.

agaugust: You deliberately cut off the other half of what she said, so I will post it so you don't confuse people.


Ms DeYOUNG : "And the Pakistanis, you know, they've gotten reactors from China. They've gotten assistance from other countries, and they've figured out how to put it together and make enough materials to produce the number of warheads that they feel like they need. "


Ms.DeYOUNG is a journalist not a scientist or military expert, she may not say things technically. The technical fact is that when china built nuclear reactors for Pakistan they have already done the most important job, because no nuclear reactor, no nuclear bomb, simple principle of physics.

She also said pakistan got assistance from other countries in addition to China's major help. Building a nuclear bomb is very easy after someone helps you to build nuclear reactor, the rest is just mixing radioactive material in a safe and correct formula, then you have a nuclear bomb.

Even ordinary Islamic terrorists are said to be capable of producing very weak nuclear bombs nicknamed dirty bombs , and America is afraid of that because all you need is a scientist called nuclear physicist and you get a nuclear bomb from your nuclear reactor.


That's why Iran is trying to make nuclear bomb after Russia built nuclear reactor for them using ordinary Iranian nuclear physicists who read the course in university


Simple facts for those who want to use their brains.

andrewza: Dirty bombs are not a big threat. They no more dangouriss(acttually less) than a chemical or biological wepaone.

andrewza: Ms. DeYOUNG: Well, I think initially they had some assistance from China and other places, but a lot of it they've developed themselves.

That was from you own source.

agaugust: your claim has no source. My own claim has many sources.

@andrewza you are a disgrace to the white race for your open and deliberate dishonesty.

China helped Pakistan build nuclear bomb. Its a common topic in my office when a retired CIA agent comes to see my boss.

It is also public free knowledge here in America, south Africa is a prison cage so you missed the global news.


you like asking people to post sources and prove claims, yet you post so many claims with no source proof. You are a shame, big shame to the white race, the white men around me here don't behave like you.


here is my own web link source.

World known truth, China helped Pakistan build nuclear bomb and got money for that deal.

web link source :

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andrewza: In what way did china help. The same way a USSR spy helped the brits and russians.

Simpily fact is that pakstan did all the actull work.

And when they did it there was no major threat from extrimst takeing over the country.

andrewza: And it has been a masive problem. No county helped pakstan get the bomb and no one will help nigeria.

agaugust: i proved you wrong, you over-rated south African weapons manufacturing achievements, admit it and don't become the most deceitful white man I will ever know.

You tried to deceive Nigerians here on nairaland, and I stopped you. Hate me for it, I don't care !

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andrewza: fact still remians, SA built in SA the Augaster A109, hawke,impaler and a number of other air craft and air craft componets. Somthing Nigeria can not do.

and those care are built by south africans, if it was all about labour they would not set up in SA.

andrewza: And it has been a masive problem. No county helped pakstan get the bomb and no one will help nigeria.

andrewza: What about the hawk and impaler.

andrewza: We have not invented a jet but we do build them, upgrade them and make engeins and componts for them.

Some of the A109 nigeria flys where built in SA.


We opert and made one of only a few data link sytems, the 30mm gun on the badger has been called the best in it's class, the daphine sub that are now retierd in SA had local sytems in them more advance than many current sytems. Iraq chose the Ingwene AGM over american iquvlent AGM, not only do we have the best 155mm howitzer we all so have the some of the best mortas. Should I go on. I have a 137 PDF file of just SA arms companys not on sytems just companys.

Nigeria has many years to go.

andrewza: I love how nigeria thinks they catching up. SA's deffense idusty is one of the fastest growing in the world. We ranked 17th in the world. http://www.sipri.org/googlemaps/2013_of_at_top_20_exp_map.html

We sold 55 million USD worth of hardwar to algeria in 2009 alone and we have sold over 10 million USD worth of arms to nigeria since 2005

Janes has mentioned how SA is a great improver on forghine sytems. Say we don't coppie but make a completly new and improved versions. Case in point the R4 witch is more ruggerd than the galil or Eland witch last version the MK7 makes french AML look foolish.

Yet nigeria says they catching up.

DictatorZAR: The only thing people here think and read is that you are a amateur and way out of your league.

You can't even answer simple questions are you really working in the defense industry

patriot4: Please people, stop insulting yourselves. On this forum. Give your arguments, agree or disagree but don't insult each other.

andrewza: Non of your links anserw my qustion. Some actualy proof my point.