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Patchesagain:
Its not Voodo logic

Its simple logic

18 Aircrew
14 Gripen operational

Thus, logically, there are 14 pilots to fly the operational Gripen... or are our Gripen flown by ghosts?

The issue of only 6 pilots has been dealt with and has shown to be false.

2014 current update ; SAAF has only 6 Gripen pilots flying without combat qualifications
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Patchesagain:
SAAF Grip pilots fly an average of 60 hours

This is more than half of the french airforce

Simple fact

France has 131 Rafale jets. 60 jets have pilots flying 180 hours.

SAAF does not even have one quarter the number of French Rafale jets....that's not counting another over 100 French Mirage 2000 jets.

Seems you don't know who to compare South Africa with, France is 1,000 years ahead of your local league where Angola is getting better than you.

Mumu.

Patchesagain:
14 Gripen are operational

Thus, a logical man, would conclude 14 pilots at a minimum... in 2013

My artical is the SAAF response to the allegations made by the DA MP.

Again, you have posted this before and we have shot this down before. You are wasting your time and ours.

Your personal Voodoo logic is NOT fact !

Your source clearly says "18 Gripen aircrew (navigators and pilots)"

How does 18 aircrew = 14 pilots ? What of navigators ? Why not 9 pilots 9 navigators?

Anyway, you have ONLY 6 Gripen pilots, so 12 navigators then !
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Patchesagain:
Stop posting things that have been dealt with

Augustine is hurting Patrick so badly....dear @Patches, run home to mummy and cry

Patchesagain:
60 hours does not qualify you for combat?

over half the french airforce is not combat qualified!!

Shocking allegation!

50% of French pilots fly 180 hours on Rafael. They can deploy 60 Rafale jets all with combat qualified Rafael pilots into battle zones.

0% of South African Gripen pilots are combat qualified with your shameful 10 to 20 hours flying. SAAF cannot deploy any combat qualified Gripen jet into battle....Angola will Räpe South African military to deäth
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Patchesagain:
citation for NAF combat sorties

Posted more than 20 times repeatedly here by Henry and myself, you keep asking for the source to be repeated.....SAAF disaster must be driving you bunkers in the head

Better go for psychiatric check up ASAP.

ssaengine:
The only thing that article is really good for is a nice pic of Gripen

[img]http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=57357[/img]

[size=13pt]SAAF Gripens are only effective in photographs.

ZERO combat qualified pilots
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ssaengine:
First of all the article talks about 2013, not 2014. If I write an article today about the 1969 moon landing, does it mean the
moon landing happened today? 20th of July 2015? In any case the article has been disproved by the SAAF.

Secondly, it said 200 hours for Gripen in the article. You said there were 6 pilots. So how do you get "10 to 20 hours a year" when you divide 200 by 6? You see how you just make sh*t up and ruin this thread? Even the likes of Henry120 ran away from here because of this type of non.sense

I dare you as a man, show us where you got "10 to 20 hours a year" from. Or did you make that up Augustine?

I dare you as a man to show me how SAAF has combat qualified Gripen pilots with the peanut hours they fly !

10 to 20 hours, yes I mean combat training hours.

The 200 hours include ceremonial flying like air shows and Mandela funeral, we have to remove all that civilian missions, or were your pilots on combat training mission during Mandela's burial ceremony?
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Patchesagain:
Really?

You are still posting it?

Official word from the SAAF

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-31821/

18 Aircrew
14 Gripen operational
No Gripen ever placed in storage

Thus, minimum of 14 pilots

And, as I have shown in the 2013/14 Gripen pilots averaged 60 hours per year, more than half the french airforce


Dude, this is like the 5th or 6th time you have posted this article, and this is like the 5th or 6th time I have shot you down.

Nope, you actually shot y.ourself down !

Your source clearly says "18 Gripen aircrew (navigators and pilots)"

How does 18 aircrew = 14 pilots ? What of navigators ? Why not 9 pilots 9 navigators?

Anyway, you have ONLY 6 Gripen pilots, so 12 navigators then !
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Patchesagain:
Allegations that have been dispelled by the SAAF.

Flight Global simply did not do their research!!

You Southies post newspapers who said ex-SAAF men were flying NAF jets and helicopters, those ones did research?

Flight Global is an air industry magazine, yes they do research, it's their area of specialization, flying and flight.

The SAAF report is form your own country's leaders who leaked it out.

SAAF has only 6 Gripen pilots.

CASE CLOSED

Thiza:
A BIG STORY IN NIGERIA IN THIS DAY AND AGE....HAHAHAHAH

The Nigerian Air Force has successfully carried out maintenance of its fleet of Fighter Jets within the country in what has been described as a rare feat.

At the hand-over ceremony of the six alpha jets and one Hercules C-130 plane to the Federal Government by the Aeronautical Engineering and Technical Servicing Limited (AETSL) in partnership with Sabena Air of France at NAF 401 ACMD in Ikeja, Lagos, on Tuesday, the Minister of State for Defence, Erelu Olusola Obada said the decision to service the aircrafts in the country was a step in the right direction as it not only saves hard earned foreign exchange for the country but will aid in tackling the nation’s security challenges.

“It’s a great day, not just for Nigeria but for the Nigerian Air Force”, she said.

“For the very first time ever, we have had a successful periodic maintenance of our aircraft in-country without having to carry them out to other countries for maintenance.”

http://www.informationng.com/2013/09/nigerian-air-force-successfully-carries-out-first-in-country-maintenance-of-fighter-jets.html

Nice one, the same jets you said were grounded in one comment, same jets you say Nigeria put back into service using NAF engineers at home, the same technicians you said we don't have in another source.

You see how your sources k.ill each other in 5 minutes ?

SAAF has maximum 6 Gripen pilots, it's world news now !

Thiza:
According to intelligence sources, several ex-South African Air Force (SAAF) pilots are also participating in the war against Boko Haram – under a separate contract – flying Russian Mil Mi-24 Hind attack helicopters, including in night operations, to good effect.

http://www.issafrica.org/iss-today/business-as-unusual-goodluck-jonathan-privatises-nigerian-relations-with-south-africa

Show us one SAAF mercenary flying Nigerian Mi-35 helicopter.

Oh ! It's a secret....then oh it's a lie
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Thiza:
The NAF ORBAT as at February 2007 was follows:

Fighter Fleet. The 14 Alpha Jet ground attack aircraft located at Kainji were the only fixed wing combat aircraft currently in flying status. A total of 23 Mig-21 Air Defence Interceptors had been grounded since 1988. And the 15 Jaguar Recce Interdiction aircraft had also been grounded since 1988.
Transport Fleet. The NAF operated the C-130H and the G-222 for heavy and medium air lift respectively. Also, the Do-228 was available for light transport and liaison duties. The G-222s were all grounded while undergoing fleet reactivation and upgrade, while all the C-130s were grounded, as they had been scheduled for Periodic Depot Maintenance (PDM). The serviceability of the Do-228 and C-130 as at February 2007 ranged from 15% to 0%. The 11 DO- 128-6 Liaison Transports were grounded, while the 5 DO–228 Liaison Transports were operational.
Helicopters Fleet. The NAF helicopter fleet comprised the Super Puma helicopter and the Mi-35P armed helicopter. As at February 2007 the Super Puma fleet was grounded, although there are efforts for its reactivation. The current serviceability status of the Mi-35P was on the average 33%.
Trainer Fleet. For primary flying training, the NAF had the ABT-18 aircraft for ab-intio training. The L-39ZA, MB-339 and Mi34 were used for basic flying training. The MB-339 fleet was grounded awaiting activation of a signed contract for its upgrade while the serviceability rate of the L-39ZA as at February 2007 was 25%.

The sustenance of high aircraft serviceability requires the continuous availability of aircraft spares. As of 2007,the operations of NAF aircraft fleet were affected by the scarcity of aircraft spares. For example, the Super Puma, and G222 hade been grounded for over 10 years due to the non-availability of spares to conduct 1000 hrs and 800 hrs inspections, respectively. Conversely, due to the grounding of some Alpha Jets due to lack of minor but fast moving spares, about 1,445 Alpha Jet line items in the storage were not required for over a period of 5 years.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/air-force-equipment-intro.htm

Another 8 year old source, NAF did not even have many jets and helicopters in those days of 2007.

Now from 2010 to 2014 NAF has purchased :

F-7 jets
American Alpha jets
Mi-35 M Hind E
Mi-171 S Terminator
CH-3 missile drone
ATR-42 Surveyor MPA/ISTAR/AWACS
Beechcraft 350 ER
D42 Diamond ISR
Eurocopter Fennec AS555

Your story is so old, that most of the current NAF aircraft are missing in your ancient news report.

Try find something more current, you will end up with sources saying NAF flew 6,000 combat sorties in 6 months....far from being grounded.

Now show me one just 10 combat sorties flown by SAAF in the last 20 years
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jln115:
Dude when It's dated doesn't change the fact that it's still outdated! Your source used statements made in 2013 by a opposition MP!!

Opposition MP is South African, they tell the truth about what ANC is hiding under cover. SAAF has only 6 Gripen pilots and the source is 2014.

Now show us source that says NAF has only 3 F-7 pilots, I have asked you 101 times, you keep running away like a squirrel chased by a hunter!
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Thiza:
Senior leaders of the Air Force cannot explain why Nigeria even needs an Air Force, but they continue to pursue combat aircraft to battle an unknown threat. Nigeria has an Air Force with few functional aircraft. The Nigerian Air Force (NAF) is largely irrelevant. Most of the Generals are pilots who feel the need to focus on fighter aircraft to protect Nigerian airspace against foreign incursion (by whom they won't say). With the exception of the helicopter fleet being used in the Niger Delta, most of NAF's aircraft are non-functional. There are six times as many general officers and flag officers in the Nigerian Air Force (NAF) and Nigerian Navy (NN) as there are operational ships and aircraft.

As of 2009, most of its fleets were grounded and its training institutions were constrained with shortages of technical skills such as instructors and institutional facilities. The highest percentage of the actual allocation to NAF compared with the annual budget proposal was just 31% in 2002. Evidently, the current budgetary allocations to the NAF cannot sustain effective and efficient aircraft maintenance activities. This is due to the constraints in spares acquisition. Lack of funding has been responsible for an inability to preserve aircraft regularly… Aircraft become due for Periodic Depot Maintenance (PDM) with time, and not by hours flown, because they are most of the time grounded for unserviceability. The reasons for unserviceability are usually traceable to lack of spares occasioned by insufficient funding.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/air-force.htm

Bwahahaha

old story, your above source is dated 2009....6 years ago

Nigeria did not even have F-7 jets at that time. How can we have F-7 jet pilots when we did not even have any F-7 jets in service?

Show us a source that NAF has shortage of F-7 jet pilots. SAAF report is just 9 months ago, you have ONLY 6 Gripen jet pilots
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ssaengine:
Please show source which says "10 to 20 hours a year". Or are you making that up?

Do the math's and stop asking stupïd questions! Read the analysis and divide the total number of Gripen fleet flying hours by number of pilots. No wonder SAAF is afraid of Angola.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-glimmers-of-hope-for-south-africa39s-underfunded-air-403163/

Patchesagain:
still posting that story?

How many times have you posted it

and how many times have we posted the story that corrected the false statements made in the article?

You are truly pathetic

Nope, it's not the same old story, this source is new, just about 9 months ago, it's hot fresh news !

SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots who now fly a paltry 10 to 20 hours a year and thus ZERO combat qualification, this is true, this is serious, Angola will äss räpe the entire nation of South Africa, their Su-30 Flankers will destroy all your G-6 Rhino and other artillery from the air, then Angolan Super Tucanos will massacre SANDF infantry and tanks.

Mandela will dïe second dëath inside his grave o !
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mzilakazi:
APART FROM SIX SAAF GRIPEN PILOTS WHO WERE TRAINED IN SWEDEN. SAAF REVEALED THE FIRST THREE LOCALLY TRAINED GRIPEN PILOTS IN 2010.


http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9934:saaf-solos-first-gripen-pilots-&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

Your old irrelevant outdated source is 2010, my current correct reliable up to date source is 2014.

SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots....Angola will Räpe South African cities with Su-30 jets and destroy Eskom's already sick power stations throwing SA into pitch black darkness and wreckïng your economy.

Pretoria's economy will fuckïng collapse in one week
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jln115:
WRONG!!!! Source is outdated!! SAAF had 18 Gripen aircrew in 2013!!!!! thus 14 pilots.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31821

N O P E !!!!!

My source is more current than yours !

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-glimmers-of-hope-for-south-africa39s-underfunded-air-403163/

My source is 2014....Your source is 2013 so you are the outdated one posting an almost two year old source.

Now SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots with 0 qualified for combat.

SAAF is dead like Nelson Madiba Mandela

Now you show me a source that says NAF has 3 F-7 jet pilots, I have shown you source that SAAF has 6 pilots so it's your turn to prove your own claim....or you surrender to Augustine like your countrymen surrendered last week on defenceweb debate....
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Lezzlie:
Don't be greedy! I can get you more Now is that enough or should I add some flavour?

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LOL, South Africans have over-killed themselves such that they lost count of numbers....coffin/casket sales, private mortuary, funeral undertaker career are all big business there o ![/size]
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Snydergp1:
You still at it after so many citations to the contrary. Your source states nothing about pilots so why the lies.

I know for a fact that there are more then 19 combat ready Gripen pilots with others in reserve who are also used as flight instructors to keep them up to date.

With the approval of the defense review we've seen a few changes already though no new funds have been allocated.

You are just being foolish again with those claims, its the same nonsense that the DA opposition party shadow minister has punted until he had to shut his mouth when the parliamentary oversight committee came to visit two AFB bases and saw for themselves what the state of affairs were.

Whether NAF has 3 or 6 pilots is irrelevant to state the most, because for a airforce with such old useless aircraft you should not be boasting because your airforce is obsolete even by African standards.

By the way explain to me what is meant by combat qualified, I would love to take you here your rants and insults on this issue.

Lastly I see you got your Ass whipped on defenceweb

Oh ! defenceweb forum? The place where Nigerian small boy Augustine opened a free education classroom where I educated 10 SAAF pilots who did not know that Egypt, Ethiopia, and tiny Eritrea all have BVR missiles. Your Southie military men thought that since South African air force does not have BVR missiles, then no country in Africa has it.....until Augustine educated your Soweto air force officers free of charge.

Southies forced to eat humble pie on their own homeland defenceweb site, forced by a Nigerian military researcher

Meanwhile SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots and 0 combat qualified.
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[size=13pt]South Africa Has Only 6 Gripen pilots, but zero qualified for combat [/size]

jl115:
Ill give you a citation when you give me a citation that SAAF only has 9 pilots!

SAAF actually has ONLY 6 pilots, the 9 is just doing you a favour for ego sake.

"By 2013, around half of the SAAF’s front line force of 26 Saab Gripens – 17 single-seat Gripen Cs and nine two-seater Ds – had been placed in storage. An estimated six to 10 were available for flight, but a shortage of pilots meant only around six were capable of being flown on any one day."

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-glimmers-of-hope-for-south-africa39s-underfunded-air-403163/

Now you show me a source that says NAF has only 3 F-7 pilots
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Msauza:
Beware of Egypt air superiority.

Rafale jets on the way.


http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-39938/

Oh ! You agree? The fools on defenceweb that were arguing with me this week said Egypt deos not even have BVR missiles, they think South Africa is better than the whole world. LOL.

The top 10 air forces in Africa are :

1. Egypt.
2. Algeria
3. Morocco
4. Ethiopia
5. Eritrea
6. Sudan
7. Uganda
8. Angola
9. Nigeria
10. South Africa
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mzilakazi:
Boko Haram kill 64 in Nigeria.


http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-84017279/

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South Africans have killed another 89 fellow citizens today o !

Murder champions
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MikeCZAR:
I told you he'll be chewed in SA sites.

Bwhahaha

South African websites where your mumu brothers said Egypt has no BVR missile....anyway, I have corrected them, Egypt has over 500 BVR missiles....your SANDF men don't even know basic weapons available all over Africa.

1 single Nigerian Vs 20 South Africans on a South African website including SANDF officers, yet all the 20 mumus are getting basic free education from that 1 single Nigerian boy

You truly have 50 million fools in South Africa !
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andrewza:
The problem with comparing crime statistics is that some countries Data collection is better than others. All so then there is some see diffrent crimes differently.

UN posted data for Nigeria along with data for South Africa, so what proof do you have that the data on Nigeria is wrong? It's the same UN report you dummy !

DictatorZAR:
You like to talk nonsense.

Why don't you tell us why Nigeria don't collect murder stats from NE Nigeria as confirmed by researchers and UNOCD reports. Even on Hiv only South stats are in included while 80m north are excluded.

Tell me why are autopsy's never done amongst the NE population, as confirmed by your own gov.

You like to play games here.

UN posted data for Nigeria along with data for South Africa, so what proof do you have that the data on Nigeria is wrong? It's the same UN report you dummy !

jl115:
Nope my data is 100% right, the UN in fact gets its data from Factsheet!!
And we were talking about the Number of murders a year and not the rate!! Wake up please!!

My source too is United Nations report.

Murder is measured in rate per 100,000 you fool

That is UN standard, murder rate by country, that's why tiny Swaziland is in the top 10 but giant India is not on the list.

Fool, murder is not measured by total number of deaths per country, otherwise India and China will be in the top 10. Murder is measured by rate, South Africa is 31 per 100,000 while Nigeria is 20.

....and South Africa does not even have an insurgency of terrorist attacks yet, or else your numbers will hit the roof top
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Dummy you are!

jl115:
Ive provided citations on this fact many many times but for you ill post it again:

South Africa: 17,068 in 2013/14
Nigeria : 33,817 in 2012


https://africacheck.org/factsheets/factsheet-south-africas-official-crime-statistics-for-201314/
http://www.unodc.org/documents/gsh/data/GSH2013_Homicide_count_and_rate.xlsx

Your data is wrong you liar !

United Nations latest report published 2014 shows South Africa on the top 10 list for highest murder rates in the world.

Nigeria is NOT even found on that global top 10 list.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/world/un-world-murder-rates/index.html

South Africa is worse than Nigeria, proved by UN report
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jl115:
There are double the amount of murders in Nigeria than in South Africa!!

Citation needed

DieVluit:
Auguby, the safety of the country is what matters. Abuja's job is to secure Nigeria. But Abuja does not have the money to do that. That Abuja is safe in the midst of death and turmoil elsewhere in Nigeria is shameful.

Has Iraqi oil money secured Iraq? Nope.

Security comes from good security forces. Nigeria has enough T-72 tanks to slaughter anything called Boko Haram.

Meanwhile, suicide bombing is going on all over the world, terrorists are now striking the capital of Canada, France, Belgium, etc....it's a global problem not peculiar to Nigeria alone, Europe and America are also victims, their money has not secured them from their own citizens attacking them at home.

I just proved to you that money is not the magic tool for securing a nation, so use your brain, or you don't have one?

Meanwhile, South Africa's money has not secured your people from daily murders and räpes that is more than what you find anywhere else in Africa....Pretoria's money keeps your country ranked number one in murder and räpe in Africa
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