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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:38pm On Jul 25, 2015
mzilakazi:
whites radio stations communicating with mercenaries from Nigeria was enough to convince us SA
mercenary fighter pilots were flying sorties for you.
1,000 European/American white mercenaries were paid to fight for SADF in Angolan bush war to save lazy South Africa
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust:
mzilakazi:
I ALSO USED TO LISTEN TO RADIO INTERVIEWING SA MERCENARIES IN NIGERIA SOME OF WHICH WERE PILOTS.


http://mg.co.za/article/2015-04-16-sa-mercenaries-turn-the-tide-in-nigeria


Cilliers recently took part in an Afrikaans radio
programme during which three or four mercenaries
phoned in. “They said things like: ‘I’m trying to help my
kids. My lifestyle is quite crappy. I’m trying to put the
grandkids through school.’”
Show us photos of South African mercenary pilots flying computerized state-of-the art hi-tech NAF Mi-35 Hind E helicopter
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:32pm On Jul 25, 2015
mzilakazi:
Mandela funeral without his body being shown was enough to convince us that Mandela was dead. So, in SA is the same with people phoning on various whites radio stations communicating with mercenaries from Nigeria was enough to convince us SA mercenary fighter pilots were flying sorties for you.
Nobody disputes Mandela's death, it's not a secret.

Your mercenary pilot claim is disputed by NAF, and according to you it's a secret....a lie actually...no proof .
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:21pm On Jul 25, 2015
Patchesagain:
1. Thats unknown insurgents posing with a HMV of unknown background (Could be ANA, ANP, INA, INP)
You tell lies a lot....too much !

US embarrassed as Taliban steal Humvees
Bruce Loudon, South Asia correspondent | November 12, 2008

TALIBAN militants were driving around in captured US army Humvee armoured vehicles in Pakistan's tribal region close to the historic Khyber Pass last night after hijacking more than a dozen supply trucks travelling along the vital land route that supplies coalition forces in Afghanistan.

The capture of the Humvees - these days the symbol of US intervention in Iraq and elsewhere - is a serious embarrassment to US commanders of the coalition forces.

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=87c_1226441019#fLXkqqB4KgmsbUmQ.99
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:15pm On Jul 25, 2015
mzilakazi:
Mercenaries do not need hours to fly, they violate the law as they please.

Sorry!!! I am not Thomas. Nelson Mandela is dead yet I have never seen his corpse on the media.
Mandela's funeral ceremony has 1,000 photos and many on internet. Except you are blind.

Those mercenaries will crash and die trying to fly a modern computerized 2005 Mi-35 Hind E that has training facility only in Russia
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:12pm On Jul 25, 2015
Patchesagain:
1. G6 was still in development when it was used in Quito
2. Ceiling of 12km is better than the ceiling of the Roland
3. Gripen > F7 in WVR
4. No you dont
5. Angolan Su30K's can reach Nigeria

So easy to defeat

#UpYourGame
1. G6 is just a gun NOT an advanced guided missile system. SANDF has NO single land based Umkhonto in service, it's under development.

2. The 12 km ceiling of a missile you do not have yet = 0 km ceiling

3. South African military experts have decided that SAAF Gripens stay parked and hidden on ground at the air base anytime Angola is in the air

4. Nigeria has Roland missile in service

5. Angola is more of a threat to SADC than ECOWAS, we have no contest for regional dominance, we belong to different regions.

#YourGameKeeps GoingDown
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust:
mzilakazi:
Former SAAF mercenary pilots giving combat qualified Nigerian pilots lessons.


http://africajournalismtheworld.com/tag/saaf-pilots-in-boko-war/


‘Most of the gunships [Mi 24 Hinds] are being piloted
by former SAAF members and they are flying a huge
number of sorties, including nocturnal operations,
with great success. There is also close involvement at
HQ level, assisting in the planning of operations and
the coordination/interpretation of the intelligence
effort.’

Jakkie Cilliers, Executive Director of the Institute for
Security Studies (ISS) in Pretoria, agrees that the
best of the ex-SADF soldiers are indeed involved in
the anti-Boko Haram operation
Show us their photo.

How does a mercenary with ZERO hours training per year, qualify to fly sophisticated Mi-35 Hind E that Russia just developed in year 2005 ?

Even SAAF don't dare fly a Rooivalk without combat qualification, even your qualified pilots crash AW 109 and Rooivalk.

You think flying a computriized aircraft is like riding a motorcycle? Mumu cheesycheesy
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:42pm On Jul 25, 2015
DieVluit:
1. The Chibok girls no longer exist.
2. You have no proof that they live.
3. Consequently, they will never be found.
New emerging facts suggest that the Chibok kidnap might have been false and made up for political gains in the first instance.

300 girls not found anywhere on earth, UFO stole them away to Jupiter?
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:59pm On Jul 25, 2015
CLAIMS OF BOKO-HARAM HOLDING TERRITORY A RUSE BY POLITICIANS TO ATTRACT FUNDING

“Military sources who spoke to THISDAY yesterday dismissed the claims that were made during the National Economic Council meeting held in Abuja on Thursday as “alarmist and a political gimmick for patronage”.

“They noted that politicians were trying to mislead members of the public by falsely claiming that five LGAs are under the control of the terrorists.”

“One of the senior officers clarified that the prevailing situation on ground, saying, “in some towns, Boko Haram have some presence and launch guerrilla attacks from time to time, which is different from holding a town.”

He added: “I don’t know where they get such LGAs from. I mean they should have named the local governments and let us verify, if they are sure of their claims. That Boko Haram makes a hit and run attacks in one or two towns does not in any way translate to holding any ground.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/military-silent-on-captured-local-govts-in-yobe-borno/215573/
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:35pm On Jul 25, 2015
EVarn:
It appears that they couldnt sustain the occupation of such a big town,so they withdrew just like in Malam fatori and Damasak.
They were told to guard borders in the first place, they entered Dikwa without Nigerian permission, they wanted glory but have lost it.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:34pm On Jul 25, 2015
mzilakazi:
Nigerian troops are to be blamed in that regard.
For doing the job Chad failed to do?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:32pm On Jul 25, 2015
mzilakazi:
BOKO HARAM MAIM 25 IN NIGERIA.


http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/25/africa/nigeria-violence/index.html
You forgot to post how many people Boko Haram has maimed in Chad, Niger, and Cameroon in the past 7 days grin grin

Your news report is one sided....olodo...the whole of that Chad basin/Sahel region is being attacked across borders.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/suspected-boko-haram-militants-kill-23-in-cameroon-village-10403445.html
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:27pm On Jul 25, 2015
Patchesagain:
1. Roland is not operational - your missiles have expired
2. G6 artillery was not "operational" or in service with the SADF when it was used against the Cubans at Quito. If Denel has it, and the SANDF needs it, they get it.
3. 35mm Cannon with SKysheild upgrade are more than capable of hitting the Flanker if it comes in range
4. What munitions will the Su30K be able to deploy from above 1km? They only have "dumb bombs" which mean they have to fly low to deploy them!

And again, you insult SAAF but forget that Nigeria's airforce is in a much much worse state!
Citation needed that Roland is not operational in Nigerian army arsenal, we paraded it just last year, so show me proof of it's expiry date.

Nobody will fly Su-30 Flanker into range of anti-aircraft gun like a fool.

Whatever South Africa has will be destroyed by Angola, even your SAAF pilots on defenceweb have agreed that Angola can destroy Eskom.

Angola will carpet bomb the SANDF with iron bombs and incendiary bombs, at 5 km altitude and you will have no army left on earth !

NAF F-7 jets = SAAF Gripen....but our pilots fly more and are better, all combat qualified, your own are ZERO qualified for combat
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust:
Patchesagain:
1. Please post pictures of Taliban driving around Afghanistan in american vehicales
2. The fact that you allowed them to capture that equipment in the first place shows how weak you are
3. The regional body responsible said that they would not support us if we went to war, so we didnt. You want us to waste lives and money to blow up some cheap ATV's? for what? pride? Are you a child?

Facts are facts, Boko captured T52 tanks, artillery, MRAP's, IFV's and over 42 of your military bases

Seleka captured 1 or 2 ATV"s... and we arent even sure if they were ours in the firstplace!!

Pathetic Nigerian military
Fact is that everything Boko Haram captured has be recovered by Nigerian army or destroyed, what is the use of capturing a vehicle and losing it back to the owner, what has Boko Haram gained, 3 months celebration followed by death and defeat? LOL. Boko got killed cheaply.

We dont have 42 military bases in NE, Boko Haram 'captured' 45 towns and we have killed all of them and taken back our towns, so who loses? Boko Haram. Who wins? Nigerian military.

Nobody cares about the middle of a war, the most important thing is the end of the war, and Nigeria has won.

Germany was winning and capturing whole nations all over Europe at the beginning of world war II, but they lost the war at the end and got cut down into pieces, so what matters is the end of a war.

Nigeria has won the war. Show me a South African war that your South African SADF/SANDF has ever won in your modern military history.

Born to fail....SANDF grin grin

Stop asking for old things to be repeated, Taliban captures American military vehicles and drives them around, the mighty USA does not have the half the courage of Nigerian troops to go get their armoured vehicles back from terrorists.

Nigerian soldiers are braver than American soldiers in final result of war....USA is running away from Afghanistan after failure for 13 years

PHOTO : TALIBAN POSING WITH CAPTURED AMERICAN ARMY ARMOURED VEHICLES, THEY CAPTURED MANY !
https://img.bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/files/BEMIL085/upload/2008/11/BEMIL085_114100_2.jpg
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:16pm On Jul 25, 2015
Patchesagain:
We have the Uhmkonto which is soon going to be in service - with a ceiling of up to 15km

And again, if Angola is our master... despite our Gripen

What does it make you? With your obsolete F7's!!

You insult SAAF, but you forget that your airforce is worse grin grin grin grin
SANDF has NO land based Umkhonto missile in service, and no date for service has been fixed, it's still under testing and maybe in service year 2020....and the max ceiling is only 12 km for the next generation development, the current one is only 8km ceiling. Angola will make slaves out of you all inside Cape Colony.

NAF and SAAF both have short range missiles. Your Gripen is worth nothing when NAF has the same missile range.

NA has better air defence missiles than SANDF.

Angola is better than both of us, but their region of influence is your backyard SADC not our own ECOWAS, did you see the South African military analysts mention threat to Nigeria on defenceweb? No, the threat is in your home, Angola is contesting SADC airspace and will take over from South Africa while you watch dumbfounded and helpless grin grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust:
mzilakazi:
OH!! I NEVER KNEW BOKO HARAM WAS STILL IN CONTROL OF SOME OF YOUR LANDS AS TOLD BY AGAUGUST THAT NIGERIAN MILITARY RECAPTURED ALL.
[size=13pt]Chad's army claimed to have liberated Dikwa 3 months ago, now we see how many lies they tell grin grin

Nigerian army is now exposing all lies from Chad, we now take full glory for the war 100%, Chad was just driving around achieveing next to nothing. Nigerian troops now take Dikwa, not a Chadian effort any longer, history is corrected.

.[/size]
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:08pm On Jul 25, 2015
Patchesagain:
1. I posted my Visa and ARC card
2. I posted various items you could only own and buy in Korea

Why are you asking for personal data? You want to scam me?

You have posted nothing that proves you are in america... anyone can get satelight TV anywhere in the world!

And you posted a toy gun not a pistol! I asked you to show me the bore of your gun and you ran away!

Now simply tell us who you work for, or post a local newspaper.

Why do you refuse to do so?
Most Americans do not buy newspapers anymore, they read them free online. Newspapers in my area are not sold on the street, you have to pay monthly subscription and they deliver daily to your house? So I should go spend dollars subscribe to a newspaper that I can read for free online, just to please you? Dummy, go waste your own money not mine.

1. You posted Visa card and it is available in both Nigeria and South Africa, so what ?

2. You posted Korean items like juice that is available in Shoprite stores Asian foods section in South Africa, so what?

Why don't you post your own Hyundai Heavy Industries official employee I.D. card with your Patrick name on it and your photo to show you are South African, I have asked you for proof and you keep running away....Gauteng prisoner !
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:16pm On Jul 25, 2015
jln115:
Dude you dont have to show your ID, just proof of your claim to be a military researcher in the US.

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The only proof that someone works in an organization is his official I.D. card, so you South Afrocans should start the show by posting your own one by one, all of you must show us your employee I.D. cards on nairaland. You make demands, me too I make same demands, equation balanced
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust:
EVarn:
Could the reports about US-Nigeria Apache advanced attack helicopter deal be true?
According to some US and Nigerian sources,the US Defence Department had earlier this week struck a $500m defence deal with Nigerian President Muhammadu Buhari for the purchase of 8 Apache advanced helicopters.
But a day later,President Buhari was quoted to have sent a strong warning to the US; urging the US leadership to make an urgent decision about selling lethal arms to Nigeria "with little strings attached",as failure to sell arms was "unwittingly" aiding and abetting BH.
So,I ask{agaugust,henry,lezz,ddami},what is your opinion about US weapon procurement:

(i)Should we tow the US path
(ii)Should we face east: acquire lethal hardware en masse from Russia,China,and Pakistan?
(iii)Should we look inwards,for urgent development of a military industrial complex{like Israel did} and manufacture our military needs locally?,a process that could take 5-15 years to even begin bearing fruits.
My bros, only one source is saying NAF will buy Apache helicopter from USA.

NAF is saying they want T-129 ATAK helciopter from Turkey.

USA has not said anything about selling weapons to Nigeria, but with $ 1 Billion weapons credit line from Russia still not used and waiting there in the bank, President Putin is ready to sell anything to Nigeria, he is just waiting for Buhari to ask.

Nigeria won all our wars with NO American weapons... Biafra, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Niger Delta, Boko Haram. All we need is more weapons form Russia, China, and Pakistan. Even Egypt and Israel are now respecting Nigerian military the way we use our Russian/Chinese weapons so impressively and effectively.

NAF does not need Apache, we have enough helicopters already :

8 Mi-35 P

18 Mi-35 M Hind E

18 Mi-171s Terminator

Undisclosed number s of Eurocopter AS555 armed helicopters now seen in photos everywhere in NAF base and army bases, Nigeria has well over 50 combat helicopter gunships, we have the best helicopter force in Africa today, and it is enough.

I think Buhari is playing a smart game on Obama's head....Baba Buhari has rejected Gay Marriage in Nigeria, he told Obama to his face.

Now let us see the next joker Buhari will play, he is smarter than that Obama boy
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 9:49pm On Jul 24, 2015
DictatorZAR:
Stop talking shiiit.

Ok how old are your Rolands again and how many of those missiles are still operational.

My answer to you is simple Umkhonto GBAD, Oerloken Skyshield and Starstreak.

Show me anything like this in your air defense systems.
Nigerian Roland is still fully active and SANDF has NOTHING in that class.

The equipment in the photo is not SANDF, your GBADS system is not yet operational, and the guns there are 35mm cannon for shooting down low flying slow flying aircraft NOT supersonic jets like Su-30 Flanker of Angola.

The land based Umkhonto is NOT yet operational.

SANDF Starstreak missile has max ceiling of only 1km and Angolan Su-30 flies at 17 km.

Dos Santos will capture Jacob Zuma alive and make your country pay ransome to save him, you will go borrow money from IMF to pay Angola
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 9:45pm On Jul 24, 2015
Patchesagain:
What is this nonsense you are talking?

Is 20 000 Nigerian troops suffering humiliation after humiliation INSIDE of Nigeria the same as South Africans conducting a successfull defence 1000's of kilometers outside of Nigeria the same?

You want me to start posting all the vehicals Boko Haram captured from you?

Nigerian cowardice is well recorded.... over 400 men in dresses running into chad will never be forgotten!!
Show us 400 Nigerian troops in women's dresses fleeing, show me photo grin grin

Only one Nigerian soldier dressed as a woman to escape a Boko Haram battalion, yes he is an intelligent soldier, he evaded hundreds of enemy troops, avoided capture by tricking them as a master of disguise, he say all the Boko Haram positions and equipment, then walked through them like a spirit and reported back to base in Nigeria....Colonel Agwu is qualified to be called a super spy and master evader of enemy forces when he is out-numbered 500:1

Sure no South African army officer is intelligent enough to acheive that feat, he would have been captured alive.

SANDF is afraid of Sudanese men inside Toyota and pissing in your pants when the skinny Sudan men were not even pursuing you, yet your battalion was planning to surrender without a fight......at least Nigerian troops fight before the retreat if need be, yes even American troops retreated in North Korean war.

Nigeria has won all her wars from Biafra to Boko Haram, show me one war South Africa ever won as a nation !

Cowards for life SANDF
grin grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust:
DieVluit:
Look at Augaugust celebrating the destruction of his own military equipment, which had been seized from him by militants. It's not as if the NA could afford losing weapons. What with Buhari begging Obama for same and Jonadaf.t running to SA for same. Yeah, Auguby...let it burn.
Every military loses weapons in war, yes Taliban insurgents capture American armoured vehicles and drive them around in Afghanistan.

A good army will go fight to get their vehicle back or destroy it. Yes Nigerian army destroyed or captured back all our vehicles from Boko Haram in hand to hand fighting, we went back to battlefields to get back our Cobra APC, MOWAG APC, Oto Melara artillery, etc and we destroyed all the others.

South African military should try and achieve 1% of what Nigerian military has done, your Gripen jets traveled 3,000 km to and fro Congo DRC to threaten Seleka rebels, that was the time to have destroyed those SANDF vehicles that Seleka captured from your fleeing elite paratroops and special forces.....your Gripen jets wasted fuel to and fro 3,000 km and caame back home empty handed to pretoria without firing even one bullet or dropping one guided bomb, yet you keep posting photos of guided bombs here and your SAAF is dead useless in real life tongue tongue
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 9:23pm On Jul 24, 2015
Patchesagain:
why must i meet these ridiculous criteria?

I have posted my credentials to substaniate my claims

Now post yours
Nope, you posted NOTHING personal to you, no name, no I.D, no personal data, no employer, no address, nothing.

You posted random internet copy/paste bottle of juice and currency that anybody can Google find for free on internet.

I Augustine, I posted my house sitting room, my Tv live programming, my clothes, my pistol, my hands and fingers to show I am a black man..... I have done more than anybody on this forum, I posted things inside my living room !

You are a fraud, post us the I.D. of where you work in your fake Korea! Fraudster !
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:03pm On Jul 24, 2015
phrezzz:
Missed the other thread dunno what happened to it. .
That other thread deleted or locked by Nairaland moderators. If we don't take care and be careful, this thread too might get locked up as disciplinary action.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:02pm On Jul 24, 2015
Snydergp1:
If you are who you claim to be I dare you to take me personally on when it comes to all technical aspects of aircraft and ground based defense systems in both Nigeria, SA or Angola Su-30.

I will proof to you even without a Gripen in the air SANDF will still shoot down any Su-30 in our airspace.
Your over-rated South Africa does not even have any weapon comparable to Nigeria's Roland air defence missiles.

South Africa has NOTHING to shoot down Angolan Su-30....Your SANDF air defence missile has only maximum ceiling of 1 km and Su-30 flies at 17 km above your heads mocking and laughing at Jacob Zuma who will be pissing inside his trousers and begging Dos Santos for mercy.

Angola will start slave trade by selling your people after they defeat your cowardly country, your lazy men will no longer get ANC cash gifts, they will be shipped to Angola to work on Sugarcane farms and plantations
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:09pm On Jul 24, 2015
vandalZA:
so I should get the award too by saying until today Nigeria can't go one on one with the great BOKO HARAM......thinking when are they going to visit your village! @AMAKWEREKWERE
Nigeria did not go one on one with Boko Haram? How come we destroyed all their armoured vehicles and main battle tanks, demolished their anti-aircraft guns, captured all their artillery, killed Shekau I & II, fought and drive them out of 45 towns in 45 days, bulldozed and now occupy their Boko headquarters in Sambisa forest and we video recorded Bokos killed or running away like goats....?

It's SANDF that cannot go one on one with Seleka rebels and recover all your captured vehicles and army base, even your air force flew to Congo and flew back home without having courage to fight for one minute, even if it is just to destroy all the South African army vehicles captured by Seleka rebels being driven around town in Bangui to embarrass your Soweto nation forever.

50 million Southies were born cowards tonguetongue

PHOTO 1: SELEKA REBEL DISPLAYS CAPTURED SOUTH AFRICAN ARMY VEHICLE HELD SINCE 2013 TILL TODAY tongue tongue

PHOTO 2: NIGERIAN ARMY DISPLAYS CAPTURED BOKO HARAM HEADQUARTERS FLAG, ETC
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:04pm On Jul 24, 2015
Patchesagain:
Any fraudster can claim with mouth [wtf english is this??] that he is a Military researcher, with ZERO proof!

You can start the I.D show by posting the data page with photo of your face, full name, house address etc.

Then post for us, your state drivers licence card showing your full data and photo as proof
That is local pidgin English from Nigeria...."claim with mouth".

You Patrick can start the I.D show by posting the data page with photo of your face, full name, house address etc.

Then post for us, your vehicle drivers licence card showing your full data and photo as proof
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:00pm On Jul 24, 2015
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:51pm On Jul 24, 2015
jln115:
Is that your proof? Your hand in front of a TV?
You are yet to post one proof of your own personal identity
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:03am On Jul 24, 2015
lezz:
WORLD / AFRICA

Once a major continental force, South Africa's military at a crossroads
South Africa wants to re-establish itself militarily as an important player in Africa's peacekeeping initiatives. But it has to overcome a small budget, and its own needs to police its borders, to move it from a 'critical state of decline.'


By Ryan Lenora Brown, Correspondent / June 29, 2015


Soldiers stand guard as police conduct a raid in Cape Town, South Africa, May 7, 2015. The raid, during which a search was conducted for counterfeit goods, weapons, and illegal immigrants, was one of a series of joint operations carried out with members of the South African National Defence Force.

Mike Hutchings/Reuters/File

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JOHANNESBURG, SOUTH AFRICA

The scenes could have been plucked from another era: South African soldiers with machine guns, stopping pedestrians on Johannesburg street corners to ask for their ID documents. Troop carriers lumbering past rows of shacks in the city’s townships late at night, preparing to raid hubs of supposed illegal activity.

But this was March. And more than 300 of these troops were deployed by President Jacob Zuma to help “maintain law and order” in the wake of xenophobic attacks against foreign nationals from around Africa.

Now at the end of June, the Army troops are still here, scouring “crime hotspots” from Cape Town to Bloemfontein as part of “Operation Fiela,” which translates literally “operation clean up the dirt.”

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As Defense Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula puts it, the Army had been internally deployed even though it is a time of peace “because there is a crisis” in the country.

This deployment, with its echoes of apartheid-era public policing tactics, shocked many, especially military analysts. They point out that soldiers are on the street just as the military is facing a looming crisis of its own: it stretched thin between its commitment to protect South Africa and it borders, and its desire to establish itself as a leading military force in Africa.

Meanwhile, a review of the country’s military operations is winding its way through parliament, warning that the South African National Defense Force (SANDF[b]) IS in a “critical state of decline” -- owing to a significant mismatch between its current funding levels and its larger ambitions to be a military leader on the African continent. [/b]

“The biggest problem here is that the military simply doesn’t have enough warm bodies to both patrol our borders and participate in large-scale deployments it is committed to on the continent,” says defense analyst Helmoed Heitman, one of the authors of the defense review.

“Government desperately needs to make a decision about what role we want our military to play — either we’re going to be a regional force and then we have to really put the money and troops behind that, or we’re going to completely withdraw from the continent and lose our say in what happens there.”

An evolving military

The roots of the military crisis stretch deep into history, back to the first time that troops marched through Johannesburg streets patrolling for criminal activity.

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Then, “criminals” were largely anti-apartheid activists, and between the 1960s and the 1980s, the white government pumped funding into the military to suppress both rebellions within South Africa’s borders and to fight untrustworthy governments and rebels in surrounding nations. At its peak, the apartheid military had more than 100,000 active conscripts, and consumed 4.4 percent of national GDP, making it one of Africa’s largest and best trained fighting forces.

When South Africa became a democracy in the mid-1990s, however, the new African National Congress government faced down a tremendous task. It sought to merge the white military with guerilla soldiers who had once fought against it, and then to entirely re-script the role of the new force in a region where it had long fome

****modified ******force in a region where it had long fomented conflict, as in Angola and Namibia.

“Because up until then we had been so involved in African countries in such a negative way, Nelson Mandela’s role during his presidency was to say, we’re no longer going to intervene at all, unless specifically asked,” says John Stupart, editor of the African Defense Review. “Besides that, the Mandela presidency also had to be very focused on reuniting South Africa internally and promoting reconciliation, which had very little to do with establishing a foreign policy.”

In fact, he says, both Mr. Mandela and his successor, Thabo Mbeki, displayed little interest in South Africa’s involvement in foreign conflicts. Meanwhile, Mandela was working to undo South Africa’s violent history of exclusion by demilitarizing the borders, and shifting responsibility from the army to the police.

A budget shrinks

As the military rolled back in and outside of South Africa, its budget shrunk rapidly. Equipment began to age and go unreplaced — as did soldiers. From its height of 4.4 percent of GDP in the ‘80s, South African military spending today stands at just 1.2 percent of its GDP.

But as South African democracy sped through its second decade, the problems in the rest of the continent could not be ignored. Its leadership, too, grew more and more concerned with the legacy of isolationism they were building, Mr. Stupart says.

Under the presidency of Mr. Mbeki and later his successor, Jacob Zuma, South Africa began committing troops to peacekeeping missions and interventions in Burundi, the Comoros, Sudan, and the eastern Democratic Republic of Congo.

“There’s been a rising call for Africa to provide solutions to its own military conflicts, of which there are many,” says Jaco Theunissen, spokesman for the South African Navy. “That has increasingly become our focus because we recognize that we are a part of this continent and its stability.”

Spreading SANDF thin

As the military deployed across the continent, police control of the borders had proven an abysmal failure. “The borders were basically porous,” says Mr. Heitman. And so, in 2009, a year after the country faced the worst bout of xenophobic attacks in its history, SANDF was once again handed responsibility for patrolling the frontiers.

“Government seems to have absorbed the message from the masses that the reason foreigners in this country are attacked is because border control has been too lax,” says Loren Landau, founding director of the African Centre for Migration and Society at the University of the Witwatersrand. “By that logic, the best way to assist foreigners is to arrest them.”

The return to military border control, however, coincided with multiple foreign deployments that experts say have stretched SANDF nearly to a breaking point.

In addition to the 2500 border control troops, another 1400 are currently serving in the “Force Intervention Brigade” in the eastern Democratic Republic of Congo, while 850 more are deployed to Sudan. South Africa has also pledged to be among the first contributing nations to the African Union’s temporary standby force — the African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises — requiring additional soldiers to be available for rapid deployment on a rotating basis.

The number of soldiers required for these projects may seem small for an Army of more than 40,000 troops. But factor in the support personnel, the training between deployments, and VARIOUS health issues — including a high incidence of HIV among soldiers -- and the number of available troops quickly shrinks, says Andre Roux, a consultant to the Institute for Security Studies in Pretoria.


“For every combat soldier you need three people behind them in service,” Mr. Roux says. “And then for every soldier on the ground you need three total — one there, one preparing from deployment, and one recovering from their previous deployment. So when you put these parameters down suddenly you find you don’t have t
Post of the week award !!!
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:52pm On Jul 23, 2015
mzilakazi:
DEBT IS DEBT, WHETHER EXTERNAL OR INTERNAL.

YOU HAVE $63 BILLION BILL TO ATTEND TO.
How much is South Africa's domestic debt? If you have the courage to show us with source for 2015 grin grin

Your external debt alone is more than double all Nigeria's external and domestic debt combined.

RSA is dying of debt o, ANC killed it, Boer white man leadership was better !
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:40pm On Jul 23, 2015
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"JOHANNESBURG – Most South Africans are in debt because they are living above their means. 
That's according to debt counsellor, Paul Slot.

Mr.Slot says the situation is "very bad" as consumers are struggling and finding it very difficult to keep up with their debt. "

http://www.enca.com/south-africa-money/south-africans-living-pay-debt

All of you will live and d.ie inside the bottomless hole of debt !

You cannot afford your debt ! Y.ou are all dying of slow poison tongue tongue
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