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mzilakazi:
Now that SANDF has operational spy satellite it can perform all that is mentioned here with its thales recce pods and with better extended range.

SIPRI arms database says you have an ordinary surveillance satellite, not spy. Then you have only one, so it sees only one part of the world at a time, it's not on-line real time surveillance like Nigeria that has 3 satellites spread over the earth. RSA is 50 years behind NIG
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mzilakazi:
Yet it does not mean SANDF cannot do ISTAR operations. Bwahahaha…

Meanwhile, NAF is 150 years behind SANDF with data link system.

The only battle tested data-link in Africa is Nigerian military top brass sitting in Abuja HQ, and watching live battle in Sambisa forest real-time video images and commanding/controlling a whole war hundreds of kilometers away.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/amosu-how-we-monitored-sambisa-military-operations-from-abuja/208413/

No country in Africa has ever done that in history.

Nigerian data-link works, that's the difference between us and SANDF
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MikeCZAR:
The Super Lynx maritime radar is 300km+.

Nothing special there!

Show us the integrated multiple computer systems console of your Super Lynx helicopter used for large scale data processing, battle space command and control......and post how many hours your helicopter will fly....after abandoning the Valour frigate....or your navy warships sail inside desert ?

Odenson , Olodo, South Africa has NO dedicated ISTAR aircraft

Your overhyped country is 66 years behind Nigeria
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MikeCZAR:
Maritime surveillance radar.

"Electronic support systems and computer console data processing" what is this nons.ense?

"Patrol endurance"

Was Boko Haram desert war theater a maritime battle? NAF used ATR-42 to watch Boko Haram inside their bush toilet and gave their coordinates by datalink to our helicopters and artillery.

Surface search radar = ground + maritime = ATR-42 ISTAR power.

NAF is 66 years ahead of SAAF.

mzilakazi:
Gripens can do ground search 70 km away detecting any threats.

ATR-42 will do ground search radar up to 330 km, so NAF is 100 times more powerful in ISTAR role
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MikeCZAR:
The Thales DJRP is for?

Low capacity recce
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Patchesagain:
1. Citation needed
2. What is Libya?

Libya is a place where NATO air forces executed a SEAD before Gripen could safely do Recce, 5% of the total Recce work.....America, Britain, etc did the real job in Libya.

Gripen jet Recce pod can only work at medium/low altitude where enemy air defenses will roast it for dinner
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MikeCZAR:


HUMBLE PIE FOR YOU AGAIN

DIGITAL JOINT RECONNAISSANCE POD (DJRP)

Easily integrated onto any air platform, the DJRP is a robust, lightweight, low drag structure with a combat proven pedigree on numerous aircraft types including Jaguar, Tornado, Harrier and Hawk and has been selected by the South African Air Force for Gripen.

Source: https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/nited-kingdom/defence/air-group/isr/digital-joint-reconnaissance-pod

Wasting your own time, I already posted the name earlier before you today. Eat your humble pie by yourself or share it with Patches, he's always hungry.

Patchesagain:
2. Who says its medium/low altitude equipment - provide a citation to substantiate that claim

Gripen CANNOT do Recce in a defended airspace.

Manufacturer specs data sheet says your freaking toy Recce pod can only work at medium to low altitude making your Gripens roasted meat for enemy air defenses
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Patchesagain:
1.ATR radar range is around 50km as has been shown before

Citation needed for your claim of 50 km.

Last year you said it's 300 km, I said it's 330 km....and now you cut it down to 50 km, so post citation for that 50 km radar range of ATR-42...NOW !
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Patchesagain:
I knew - hence I said we had it.

You either:

1. Did not know because you are a terrible researcher
2. Did know and lied - because you are deceitful

Which is it?

If you knew why did you say:

Now, deal with the fact that SAAF has ISTAR that can operate in an uncontested airspace

What is the range of your Recce pods? NAF has over 300 km range ISTAR radars

What is it's max altitude since it is only a medium / low altitude equipment .....limited capability

What is the patrol endurance hours of Gripen? It was doing about 30 minutes in Libya, NAF does 7 hours.

Your Gripen is NOT ELINT capable.

What are the electronic support systems and computer network console data processing capacity ? See NAF below, show us your SAAF !

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Patchesagain:
1. Multiple examples of the use of LinkZA have been posted on multiple occasions- across all arms of the SANDF, from hawks using the data-link for targetting, from artillery using it for hitting moving targets, from SF doing HALO jumps into the ocean to rendevuez with submarines in radio silence, from the intergration of blue force trackers, from Valour Class being used to moniter air-space during FIFA, from the new Thales ground search radar interoperability, with the systems to Gripen live-streaming Recon, with new section radio's that link into the data-link, with Rooivalk data-link compatability etc etc etc

Citations needed.

All the above can be done with normal radio communication, don't need data-link.

Then in 2010, SANDF datalink was in infance, so how did you use it for world cup?

Citation needed !
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Patchesagain:
A plethora of evidence has been provided regarding linkza

Not all SANDF equipment is integrated, Andrewza said it's in phases and slowed down by costs/money
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Henry120:
Buhahahahahahahahahahaha

The SANDF is so Broke, they are trying to recover the cost of the Flight suit from the estate of the dead C-47 Dakota Pilot.


The Pilot of the Crashed A109 at the KNP was also passed despite the fact he was un-qualified!!


Cc: Agaugust, Patches689, Mikeczar, Jln115, Saengine

Reason why those SAAF Gripens don't want to fly, their unqualified pilots will crash
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Patchesagain:
Reminder:

....reminder that I educated you on your own equipment you did NOT know

Patchesagain:
Are you incapable of research?

OR

were you being deceitful?

Stick to the topic

You wan't me to educate you on Gripen radar ground search range? Say please baas

Patchesagain:
Oh

So now you admit we have one.

So, were you incapable of doing research?

Or

Were you being deceitfull?

Which is it

Was drilling you, and you failed to provide an answer, until I educated you....Olodo
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Patchesagain:
"Please baas, educate me"

Just say it.

Should I also educate you about Gripen ground search radar range?

Say baas, please educate Patrick the Olodo

Patchesagain:
Say it Mr Military researcher.

Say "Please baas, educate me"

Oh, I should educate you, Thales Digital Joint Reconnaissance Pod

You didn't know the name....Olodo

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Patchesagain:
Been posted many times.

Beg me to post it again.

Say: "Please baas, educate me"

[size=13pt]No ! No ! No !

What has been posted here many times is SAAF Gripen jet targeting pods for guided bombs called LIGHTENING, purchased from America, NOBODY has EVER named any Gripen Recce pod for SAAF, because you have NONE

SAAF Gripen jets = ZERO capability for ISTAR.

You CANNOT fool us here !
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Patchesagain:
Gripen has Recce pods and targeting pods

This has been confirmed multiple times

Nope, Gripen jets of SAAF have NO Recce pods for ISTAR, all you have is targeting pods for guided bombs.

SAAF Gripen jets = ZERO capability for ISTAR

Name the Recce pods you have for Gripen, and the country that sold the Recce pods to you, tell us now !
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jln115:
Dude!! Who said the argument was only about guided shells? I said naval guns can shoot 120km/100km with Vulcano guided projectiles you said NO naval gun can shoot those ranges, only after I proved you wrong did you change your argument and your post saying you were talking about unguided shells.

The argument was originally about guided shells, that's why I was quoting 8 km to 20 km range.

Who told you I don't know Volcano shell until you mentioned it? Who?

On this forum in over one year ago early 2014, Patches, Drag_On and myself had argument of NNS Aradu Vs Valour frigate, the Vulcano shells ranges were fully posted and discussed here, we dropped the idea when we all agreed that NO NAVY IN AFRICA has guided shells. You were not on Nairaland then, you just came !

Go see analysis of Volcano shell in this threads archives.

You are the newcomer that is getting free education here.

Then the original argument was about Umkhonto missiles for which you quoted 60 km ranger which NO NAVY has !

I corrected you that it is 15 km for umkhonto missile, you never said thank you, ingrate.

You derailed the missile debate and turned it into a gun argument of confusion that you created.

You keep posting things that are inside laboratory under experiments and you want me to accept it as facts?

If you go to an international public debate and you argue off topic, the microphone will be removed from you so that you will not mislead the whole world with your classic buffoonery.

You will be a good barber with your own hair salon business, I don't see a good accountant in you, try a trade like barbing
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jln115:
Its not a PMG if its not guided mate!! With unguided vulcano shells the 127mm can still reach ranges of 60km+

60 km is half of the 120 km you were quoting before.

I love the way you surrender.

Say thank you to me for educating you the way your South African brothers have always failed to do
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jln115:
It doesnt matter if no country in africa has those shells YOU SAID NO NAVAL GUN IN THE WORLD CAN FIRE AT THOSE RANGES.

In the context of a normal shell that we were discussing, yes. No naval gun fires 120 km, common sense should have told you that while I was quoting 8 km to 20 km, your own 120 km must be a different kind of weapon....a PGM you fool, are we talking about PGM launched from guns? No !

That extra range is NOT powered by the naval gun, it's powered by separate rockets inside the shell PGM itself you fool !
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jln115:
With unguided shells the Oto Melara 127/64 can reach 60km

That's still not a normal shell, that's a rocket assisted unguided shell.

Nobody in Africa has Volcano series of shells.

No African navy has rocket shells.

The original argument is about Umkhonto missiles sales and range, if you want to talk about guns and shells that nobody has in Africa, I will not follow you to dreamland.

Learn to debate on topic and argue within context, Olodo
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Patchesagain:
LinkZA is intergrated into platforms across air, land and Sea

From infantry radios, to artillery gun guidance, to MBT's, to Hawks to Gripen to Valour class - all intergrated onto one single system

Nigeria has no such data-link

All you have is a number of individual data-link enabled assets - no system

Nope, SANDF officer Andrewza told us here that the datalink is being done in phases due to financial constraints.

Show us proof that every aircraft, helicopter, ship, vehicle in SANDF has been connected and integrated into a central datalink system. Not just that they said it in a plan, show us that EVERY existing platform is fully integrated, show us proof now !
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jln115:
Dude!! Who said the argument was only about guided shells? I said naval guns can shoot 120km/100km with Vulcano guided projectiles you said NO naval gun can shoot those ranges, only after I proved you wrong did you change your argument and your post saying you were talking about unguided shells.

I was quoting normal shells that exist in Africa, I was quoting ranges 8 km to 20 km, then you jumped to 120 km with your own quote, but you did not know you were completely off track by bringing in a wrong comparison of a guided shell, I had to educate you....say thank you....ingrate.

The original argument was NOT guns, it was Umkhonto missile range, but your sull brain derailed the argument into guns....fool
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Patchesagain:
1. Gripen
2. You havent found the Chibok girls either

The Americans and British couldn't find them either. NAF is equal to NATO in ISTAR.

South African Gripens are known to have only targeting pods for bombing....

# SHOW US SAAF GRIPEN JET RECCE PODS FOR ISTAR

....or else you have no ISTAR capable Gripen, it becomes like F-7 jet using normal radar in ground search mode !

Nigerian girls 3-3 with Sweden. FIFA female world cup. That Asisat girl is driving me nuts....Am gonna go 4 dat gurl

Henry120:
A dual service drill was held between the army nd navy in kaduna spanning a period of three days.

involving endurance and advanced trench warfare
recon plus surveillance and inter comm provides by a cessna surveillance aircraft.

IED course,diffusion and detection..

advanced use of recoiless guns etc.

courtesy A I T.




This is the first time i'm hearing that Nigeria has a cessna surveillance plane.

So in addition to the ATR-42, Beechraft and Diamond DA42 the Nigerian Airforce also operates Cessna surveillance aircrafts.

Nigerian air force is the ISTAR master of Africa, nobody comes close, NOT even Egypt or Algeria.

NAF ISTAR standard is as good as many NATO powers, reason why they could not do what we had not done when the RAF and USAF ISTAR aircraft came to search for Chibok girls, they went away empty handed.

The Nigerian ISTAR force has aircraft with 2014 state of the art technology from USA, Italy, Austria, Germany.

South Africa is 66 years behind us !
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