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FighterPilot:
That's untrue.

Prove me wrong, prove that satellites do not orbit, they freeze on one same spot for ever...prove your claims, I want to laugh at more South African universities educational standards today...

patches689:
Kondor-E fits the definition of ISTAR and that is all that is important.

Citation needed...

Your monkey model version of Kondo-E fits only Surveillance specs according to SIPRI.

Patchesagain:
Weird that you would say that

Since your Beechraft is not ISTAR

Unless you mean I-STARE because that is all the crew of a VIP transport can do - stare out the window

NAF Beechcraft ISTAR with radar dome .....see this and go hug ESKOM electricity transformer
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patches689:
Nowhere in the definition of ISTAR does it stipulate any of the things you are saying.

Definition of ISTAR: Intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance

Does the Kondor-E have the capabilities to do this: YES

What you dont realize- ISTAR is not some magical unicorn thing, infact, it is nothing special at all. My fvcking eyeball is an ISTAR asset.

Satellite is ZERO use in target acquisition once the target speeds off that longitude.

Next, if your satellite orbits off an area, it needs 24 hours to come back to the battlefield....your army is blind like a bat for 24 hours

During that time, NAF is busy wasting away the lives of SANDF men and equipment for 24 hours, before your satellite returns to view battlefield, the whole SANDF is dead
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patches689:
Just like your Maritime Patrol aircraft!!

ATR-42 Surveyor is for land and sea ISATR, it does NOT belong to our navy, it belongs to our air force.

It is a land based aircraft in our airport or forward air base on land, ATR-42 is NOT a ship borne helicopter you domingo fool
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Patchesagain:
Intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance

All things that the Kondor-E can do

Satellites are NOT real time 24-7, they move off the target, it cannot stay on on spot and keep track of a moving target for long.

A satellite is in orbit over one area temporarily, it loses tracking of target once it orbits off that longitude coordinate.

ATR-42 will keep track of a fast moving target no matter where the enemy runs to !

You don`t even know how satellites work....failed Southie science education
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Patchesagain:
Are you saying that the Thales radar has a 10km range?

The radar posted by fighterpilot is what I replied too....dummy...learn to write within context of different arguments, a skill no Southie has

Patchesagain:
Lynx has just such a radar

Lynx is naval helicopter on a warship, will it abandon the Valour frigate and go do land warfare ?

Patchesagain:
You are so bastardized that you dont realize that the majority of ISTAR units are ground based?

Citation URGENTLY needed
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Patchesagain:
Gripen Recce Pod > F-7 Recce Pod

Citation needed !
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Patchesagain:
With LinkZA it does

Fool

Hawk jet CANNOT work alone, needs Gripen jet to be airborne, you need multiple aircraft flying at the same time to do simple recce...LOL.

One single NAF Beechcraft ISTAR is = the whole SAAF aircraft fleet
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MikeCZAR:
Seaspray surveillance radar.

Citation needed....if your 50 million South African nation has the courage, post a citation now !

patches689:
majority of ISTAR units are ground based

....simply because SANDF-SAAF have ZERO airborne ISTAR
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patches689:
Kondor complies with the definition with ISTAR

Citation needed
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homerac7:
Dan uwa na, you no dey show again for that naa? Kilosele? Mo notice wipe o dabi wipe iwo ati awon kan fe ma tango every time. Na wetin sele be dat abi other reasons ?

Well, mo miss contributions e gan o.

Egbon mi, me no dey show face for de , tori wipe mio mo kilo maa shele pelu new presido. Awon eniyan so wipe GMB fe ra F-16, gbogbo defence contract ti o wa ni pipeline ni won ma review, won maa da gbogbo nka ruu, so mi o tii mo nkan ti mo maa so ni ni mo se dake jeje o !

Thanks bros mi ! Na gode so sai !

stillchris:
go back and read my comment you replied to again, then come back qnd read your response.

you'll realize your brain is getting older than your age.

and your ground radar is in no way up to Nigeria's ATR-2 or any ISTAR platforms we have.

you are still behind

The Southie `pilot fighter` is posting man-portable shoulder carried 10 km range radar, foot walking soldiers have become ISTAR aeroplane in South Africa o !
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FighterPilot:
What does a reporter know about a military stuffs? Of course, the data stations related the information through radios and rather the ground forces did not see the enemy position on the monitors themselves.

In SANDF our ground forces see the enemy themselves in real time on their own monitors. Our ground forces uses cytoons which your poverty stricken forces have none.



https://www.defencetalk.com/thales-reveals-new-istar-system-for-south-africa-29185/

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-9351/

Dude, seriously ? You are posting SANDF army vehicle ISTAR as your air power airborne ISTAR ?

Does your army vehicles fly like aeroplanes? Are you so bastardized by ATR-42 that you cannot even think again?
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You are posting hand carried 10 km range radars on this forum....u dey maaaad ?
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FighterPilot:
What does a reporter know about a military stuffs? Of course, the data stations related the information through radios and rather the ground forces did not see the enemy position on the monitors themselves.

In SANDF our ground forces see the enemy themselves in real time on their own monitors. Our ground forces uses cytoons which your poverty stricken forces have none.



https://www.defencetalk.com/thales-reveals-new-istar-system-for-south-africa-29185/

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-9351/

Dude, seriously ? You are posting SANDF army vehicle ISTAR as your air power airborne ISTAR ?

Does your army vehicles fly like aeroplanes? Are you so bastardized by ATR-42 that you cannot even think again?
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stillchris:



tantrum from an overgrown brat with poor intellectual capacity to engage objectively. what a pity

Na de NAF ATR-42 Surveyor ISTAR wey dey run every Southie iinsane o !

stillchris:
oh.. sorry... i forgot you are a dunce who can't understand simple things.

BBC reporter tobi oladipo and some other Nigerian journalists were taken onboard the ATR when the military was prepping to retake a town frim boko haram.

according to the channels reporter onboardd.." the ATR was relaying cordinates of enemy positions to troops on ground for artillery fire.
that's one.

secondly... Nigeriam military commanders get realtime video coverage at DHQ from one of our ISTAR platforms during the heated battles to reclaim territories.

i have given two instances of Nigeria's operational data link usage.

now be a good boy and give us south african one. not frim news articles.

ode oshi

South Africans know data-link only on paper, they have no idea about it`s operation in real combat.....Nigeria will educate them
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MikeCZAR:


Helicopters can gather intelligence.

The Gripen can gather surveillance.

The Cessna can gather intelligence.

SAAF helicopters have NO recce radar to gather intelligence.

Gripen with recce pod = F-7 jet with recce pod.

Cessna is a toy plane with ZERO radar.

One single NAF Beechcraft ISTAR aircraft outclasses and out-performs ALL the South African air force recce and surveillance aircraft combined.

SAAF = ZERO ISTAR in 21st century
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MikeCZAR:
Even Hawk LEAD fighter trainer can conduct ISTAR missions.

Yes, SA is one of the leading countries in EW.

Hawk jet has NO radar you fool
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Patchesagain:
Gripen + Recon pods + Targeting pods = ISTAR that can operate in a contested air-space

Gripen is NOT anything ISTAR, it`s Recce pod NOT an ISTAR pod .....and NO on-board intelligence center-command and control integrated multiple computer systems console existing on a Gripen, all you have is pilot`s cockpit for flying.....Gripen is ZERO ISTAR, the RAF did most of the ISTAR job in Libya with USAF E-2 Hawkeye doing AWACS and NATO jets providing air cover against the half dead Libyan air force that refused to fly, and NATO air to surface missiles doing SEAD on the half dead Libyan defences.

Gripen jet does recce with pod, same way F-7 jet of Bangladesh does recce with pod, and the pod on the Gripen is same as the one for old school Jaguar jets flown by India.

Gripen jet recce.... how many hours endurance? what altitude above enemy air defences? what radar range? how many targets can be tracked at once? which airborne multiple computer console will process thousands of situational data for command-control ?

Gripen jet = F-7 jet = Jaguar jet = Gripen jet = ZERO ISTAR

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Patchesagain:
You have said that your AT42 has a radar range of 300km

Now it is 400km?

lol, this is too funny

[size=16pt]ATR-42 Surveyor of NAF has 407 km radar range ! Fact !
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MikeCZAR:
Your ATR-42MP uses the Seaspray surveillance radar.

Citation needed....I dare you !
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Patchesagain:
Kondor-E satelight (an actual military reconnaissance satellite)

SIPRI arms database says South Africa bought an ordinary surveillance satellite used by Russian civilian ministry of defence office
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Henry120:
The ATR-42 is without question the best surveillance plane in SSA

Actually from Cape Town to Cairo, NO air force has ISTAR power to compare with NAF ATR-42 Surveyor, no close rival !

Libya has one ATR-42 Surveyor not upgraded, so below NAF statndard.

Egypt and Algeria only have older 1980s Beechcraft for ISTAR, Egypt has E-2 Hawkeye for AWACS, it cannot do real ATR-42`s job.

ALL AFRICA bows to NAF ATR-42 surveyor....mighty surveyor with 407 km radar range , Nigeria is in the big league of world super powers !
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Henry120:
The ATR-42 and J-10B would the perfect match made in heaven.

J-10B, Rafale, Eurofighter typhoon, F-16 block 60 and SU-35 are all the same class of fighters.

How about ATR-42 and Su-30 MK ?

NAF will k.ill the world !

DEATHMACHINE:
NAF needs acquire more say four units of more ,i have seen the capabilities of the ATR-42 and its top noch

FG has announced Nigerian air force will buy 7 more units of ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft
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Radar range :

Nigerian Air Force ATR-42 = 407 km

British Royal Air Force Sentinel = 333 km

NAF = NATO super world powers !
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Patchesagain:
So you confirm that the Sentinel is better.

Nope !

I NEVER said Sentinel is better, it just has higher specs in aircraft performance, that's what I mean by overall higher specs.

ATR-42 and Sentinel are almost equal, each having it's own advantages. Size and engine gives the Sentinel overall specs advantage in areas of aircraft flight performance NOT the ISTAR mission itself.

NAF ATR-42 has far superior radar range over RAF Sentinel.

Mission :

ATR-42 - Multi-mission land and sea upgrade complete
Sentinel - Single-mission land only, plans for upgrade

Endurance :

ATR-42 - 11 hours
Sentinel - 14 hours

Speed :

ATR-42 - 518 km/h
Sentinel - 918 km/h

Ceiling :

ATR-42 - 7.6 km
Sentinel - 15 km

Radar range :

ATR-42 - 407 km
Sentinel - 333 km

Nigerian Air Force = American Air Force & British Air Force in ISTAR power !

South African Air Force = Mozambican Air Force & Rwandan Air Force
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NaijaPikinGidi:
Which Games Reserve did you emerge from?

MikeCZAR lives in Kruger Park getting dribbled by Rhino Poachers.