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Patchesagain:
Are you saying that the ATR42 is on the same level as the Sentinel?

Each has it's own advantages, ATR-42 is MULTI-MISSION ISTAR for land and sea warfare and that makes it better than the Sentinel until the British complete their upgrade to make the Sentinel do maritime ISTAR like Nigerian ATR-42.

Sentinel is a more expensive aircraft with overall higher specs, but the ATR-42 does the same job.

Both were tested in Boko Haram war and results were the same in ISTAR data output.

South Africa is 166 years behind Nigeria with your Cucumber shaped Dakota C-47 flying coffin
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DictatorZAR:
You should consider a career in Nollywood SiFi scrip writing Mr fantasy researcher.

Can you please outline the specs about the Sentinel being a inferior aircraft compared to your dummy model ATR-42.

I posted it yesterday, Britain has decided to copy Nigerian ISTAR power by upgrading the RAF Sentinel to become maritime patrol like NAF ATR-42 Surveyor, the world power British air force wants to become multi-mission ISTAR power like Nigeria.

However, British air force has NOT found anything worth copying from the ancient category South African air force that is 166 years behind NAF
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Patchesagain:
why cant you provide a more clear image?

You don't deserve an answer, but I will do it so that 50 million people of South African nation will eat 50 million humble pies for weekend

lionel4power:
SAAF gripen doesnt have the endurance of a dedicated platform. Gripen is a multirole aircraft, if you want to do ISTAR you will have to sacrifice things like weapons payload, fuel carriage, higher crew workload. E.t.c plus short time on station. The Gripen can only dash in and out of the theater to re-fuel or re-arm. Look below for ISTAR king of Africa.

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Nigerian air force ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft is truly the African king of ISTAR, it flies 11 hours continuous operation at low, medium, and high altitudes.

Many American, Asian, and European ISTAR aircraft CANNOT match the super-long endurance mission capability of NAF ATR-42, and the NAF aircraft is also a MULTI-MISSION ISTAR aircraft for both maritme/ocean and land/ground military operations.

Even the British air force trying to copy Nigeria by upgrading their Sentinel R.1 aircraft to do maritime ISTAR so that they can improve Royal air force to Nigeria's super-majestic level in ISTAR.

South African air force is now 166 years behind Nigeria in ISTAR.

NO ARGUMENT !!
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[size=25pt]New Clear Photo :

ELINT Dome NAF ATR-42 Surveyor

King Of Africa !

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Patchesagain:
why cant you provide a more clear image?

Why can't you provide one single image/photo of South African navy's many Oto Melara Super Rapid guns that you claim to have?
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Patchesagain:
You only have one photo of this "dome"?

Provide us with a clearer one

One single photo evidence of NAF ELINT dome is enough, we don't need twenty.

Case proved. Case closed. Game over
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FighterPilot:
Your master Eeben Barlow also knows that SADC was using ELINT from yesteryears when Nigeria was still a bush. you only started acquiring that capability yesterday but you already want to compete with your master. We don't run to Europe just to that, we have hundred of companies locally that can do that.

http://eebenbarlowsmilitaryandsecurityblog..com/2010/07/counter-terrorist-magazine.html?m=1

You are quoting a blog....find another source or sharaaaap !
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Patchesagain:
Do me a favor, draw arrows towards the domes you are referring to.

I want this to be on record for all.

You have cataract in your eyes ? Patches now blinded by envy and humi.liation, plus plenty of tears ?

PHOTO 1 : Nigerian air force

PHOTO 2 : British Royal air force

Birds of the same feather flock together in the skies .....NAF & RAF Playing In The Big League
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FighterPilot:
C-47 has been doing ELINT when Nigeria was still a bush

Citation needed !
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MikeCZAR:
I still have a lot to teach you!


The systems TDL, radar, FLIR, TV cameras etc enable it to undertake such missions.

SA is one of the leading countries in electronic warfare components developments.

NAF Mi-35 Hind E has all those your hardware too, so does that make it an ISTAR platform ?

Electronic warfare is NOT same as ISTAR you domingo ! Almost every military jet fighter and helicopter has EW hardware on board.

Odenson

lionel4power:
mumu does radar equates ISTAR or ELINT

The Southies think any aircraft with radar is an ISTAR aircraft, even if it is a transport helicopter

Boeing 747 of KLM airlines has radar, so it is now ISTAR according to South African 33% brain calculations
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Patchesagain:
So you are saying that the ATR42MP (maritime patrol) has the same capacity as the platforms in the USAF and RAF?

Please tell me you are saying that

Yes ! NAF is equal in ISTAR to USAF, RAF, we are world class !

LOL....LOLZ...My sides South Africans don't know about Multi-Mission ISTAR....too advanced for a Soweto brain

Actually the British air force is now upgrading her own Sentinel ISTAR aircraft to do maritime patrol like Nigerian air force ATR-42.

South Africans know NOTHING about ISTAR, their race and generations have NEVER seen one such aircraft

Let me educate you 50 million Southies in the village nation of ANC. You see, powerful countries like Nigeria, China, Britain, etc do buy ISTAR aircraft for land patrol or maritime patrol initially, then later do upgrade and add the other capacity to get the aircraft to be perfect on land and sea operations, it is called MULT-MISSION ISTAR you South African born fooooools !

NAF has upgraded our ATR-42 Maritime to now do perfect land ISTAR plus sea ISTAR, upgrade done in Britain.

RAF of Britain is now upgrading their own land ISTAR, the Sentinel, to do maritime ISTAR after Nigeria advanced ahead of them.

"The United Kingdom is to begin the process of upgrading its fleet of Raytheon Sentinel R.1 Airborne Stand-Off Radar (ASTOR) surveillance aircraft to conduct maritime operations in mid-2015, the government disclosed on 24 October.The news that work to upgrade the Sentinel R.1's maritime capabilities will soon begin, the RAF is looking to introduce enhanced capabilities to the surveillance aircraft to turn it into a true multi-mission platform."

http://www.janes.com/article/45057/uk-to-upgrade-sentinel-r-1s-for-maritime-operations

That is why Nigerian ATR-42 became multi-mission ISTAR aircraft perfected for maritime war and land war, that's why NAF wrecked Boko Haram as Nigeria controlled the entire battle-fields the size of Scotland, from the air !

That is how Nigeria will delete the SANDF in battle from 330 km away !

All 50 million South Africans have learnt from a Nigerian free web education classroom again today o !

NAF = USAF =RAF = PLAAF in ISTAR....we play with super powers !

GAME OVER.....See Nigerian air force ISTAR power below
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Patchesagain:
1. I dont see any links confirming that your ATR has this
2. Gripen is ISTAR capable

Lolly lozy lol

Bwahahahaha

Humble pie shoved down your throat again !

Do you see any source that says Nigeria has Automatic Grenade Launchers ? No source, but does Nigeria have it? Yes !

Any proof? PHOTO EVIDENCE !

Smart people know what an AGL looks like, same way smart people know what ELINT dome looks like and it's location.

NAF ATR-42 Surveyor has ELINT dome, PHOTO EVIDENCE proves it, go kiss a frog tonight, it's Friday

MikeCZAR:
Because you say so?

Provide a source!

We don't wanna hear your conclusions as you don't even know what AESA radar is!

I already did...MikeZAR eating humble pie for weekend, it's Friday bashing here

The British Sentinel dome on top of fuselage is NOT radar, it's ELINT SATCOM hardware dome, confirmed by military sources :

"The modifications include a canoe-shaped radome under the forward fuselage to house the radar antenna, a radome on the upper fuselage to house the SATCOM antenna."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/astor/


Next time, remember that radars for ISTAR aircraft are under fuselage, not above it like AWACS, MikeCAR Olodo

The Nigerian ATR-42 upgrade put the dome, ELINT dome on top fuselage like the British and Chinese airforce.

South Africa can go try put a dome on their C-47 Dakota and lets see all the 50 year old aluminium aircraft fall into pieces

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MikeCZAR:
I've shown people in this thread that bumble bee doesn't know what he's talking about at times!

He's an unreliable source! As he's not that technically knowledgeable about weapon systems.

Provide us with a link stating ELINT upgrade was carried out on the aircraft.

I can say that dome is nothing but a structure to strengthen aircraft's fuselage.

Complete Olodo, come to Nigeria for FREE EDUCATION, Soweto schools are shiiiiit

That's an ELINT dome for SATCOM, it enables ISTAR aircraft to operate ELINT capability, super electronic intelligence and network capability !

https://books.google.ca/books?id=4S3h8j_NEmkC&pg=PA441&lpg=PA441&dq=ELINT+dome&source=bl&ots=hJUuIVVXaW&sig=r2x4lGenTDkWOzjtvzmSVugVckc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBGoVChMIi9iay_eIxgIVyyyMCh34pA4S#v=onepage&q=ELINT%20dome&f=false


MikeCZAR you fumbled and wobbled by saying the Dome on top of the British Sentinal ISTAR aircraft is a radar !

No, it's a SATCOM ELINT dome you Soweto mugu !

Come into our Nigerian classroom now my boy, let Naija invest into your under-funded brain

"The modifications include a canoe-shaped radome under the forward fuselage to house the radar antenna, a radome on the upper fuselage to house the SATCOM antenna."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/astor/



Another example below is from China...

"The GX-8 is believed to be an electronic intelligence (ELINT) gathering platform, mounting four distinctive elongated antennas on its fuselage. It also carries a prominent nose radar and SATCOM dome. At least three GX-8s are known to be in service with the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) North Sea Fleet's 2nd Air Division.

http://www.janes.com/article/44169/japan-intercepts-new-chinese-gx-8-elint-aircraft"


Mike CZAR and his fellow 50 million South Africans NEVER seen ELINT dome in their country's black-white-coloured history

Every South African citizen is eating the humble pie now, South African air force CANNOT afford to buy one ELINT aircraft like Nigeria

Nigerian ISTAR power equals world super power like Britain, China, America, etc . We play in that big league.

PHOTO 1 : Britain's air force ISTAR

PHOTO 2 : Nigeria's air force ISTAR power world class

PHOTO 3 : China's air force ISTAR

South Africa ranks with Burundi and Rwanda having ZERO of this great military capability

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MikeCZAR:
This is your link?

Bumble bee blog? He doesn't know much about aircraft.

Provide a real link not blogs!

Photo has been posted, I posted British Royal air force Sentinel ISTAR aircraft with the ELINT DOME on top of the airframe and Henry posted Nigerian air force ATR-42 aircraft with similar ISTAR ELINT-dome, now you show us photos of ELINT dome in South African air force....show us...okay you don't have it
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FighterPilot:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Air_Force


Just look what is under electronic warfare

We are using Orynx EW and C-47TP

Dude, you quoting Wikipedia ! Find another source of information.

EW is NOT same as ISTAR.

Show us South Arlfrican Oryx and C-47P photos of RADOME and Dakota FLIR , then show us ELINT-DOME on both aircraft, then show us the cabin loaded with integrated multiple computer data processing consoles...like we have shown you those of Nigerian air force again and again.

Show us all those stuff I listed above, show us in SAAF Oryx and C-47 P aircraft....your ancient flying cucumber
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NaijaPikinGidi:
No he doesn't. All the same ... greetings fellow Nigerians!

Shaun sir!
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MikeCZAR:
The ATR 42MP Surveyor is an affordable maritime patrol aircraft, developed and built by Alenia Aermacchi from the airframe of the proven ATR 42 twin-turboprop regional aircraft.
 
Its main roles are maritime patrol for surface vessel search and identification, search and rescue (SAR), prevention of piracy, contraband and narcotics smuggling, environmental monitoring and disaster clean up (against oil or chemical spills), territorial water security.

Source: http://www.aleniaaermacchi.it/products-prodotti/advanced-surveillance-sorveglianza-avanzata/atr-42mp-1


As you can see the OEM(Original equipment manufacture) has stated its roles.

Nigeria doesn't have a dedicated ISTAR aircraft.

[size=13pt]Wrong dude !

NAF does NOT use that base model ATR-42 MPA you posted, our own is the best variant in the world....ELINT DOME version for MPA + ISTAR combined.

Even NATO countries ATR-42 CANNOT match Nigerian version, we fly ATR-42 ELINT.

Sorry, you goofed like a usual olodo
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MikeCZAR:
In Nigerian air force doctrine they might be called dedicated "ISTAR platforms" but they are not.

They were fitted with certain equipment to fulfil a certain role not to enhance them for that role. But to make them capable of fulfiling it.

Citation needed
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Patchesagain:
Gripen can be configured for ISTAR

F-7 jet uses Recce pods too, so F-7 = Gripen

Dedicated ISTAR aircraft do NOT need configuration to do the job, the fact that Gripen uses romovable pods means it's NOT is made for ISTAR.

Have you seen NAF needing to go fix Radome on ATR-42 before it goes to mission? No.

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Patchesagain:
Do you need a lesson in what ISTAR means?

This guy thinks ISTAR is some godly platform that none can acsend to. When in reality, its pretty basic stuff... Hell the British did it in WW2 with Mosquito strike-fighters guiding Lancasters onto target over Germany

Britain is no longer at that level now, only South Africa remains 66 years behind Nigeria and Britain in ISTAR....See what Britain uses today....NAF and RAF are in same league....Nigeria is is in same ISTAR class with world super powers !
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FighterPilot:
You and other hundred military writers have the tendency of referring to maritime surveillance as ISTAR aircrafts. That is wrong but I will have to admit that it is what is used for.


ISTAR is a task rather than an aircraft, just like you would refer to "eating" as a task of replenishing your energy level. ISTAR is as well a task of studying the battle field.

Just because you don't have a spoon in the house does not mean you cannot do a simple task as eating, there is always a substitution. That translate to ISTAR duties as well. Since SANDF has a data link it can always perform such tasks with the use of recce pods as we have seen with NATO forces in Libya.



https://www.defencetalk.com/thales-reveals-new-istar-system-for-south-africa-29185/


https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/content/thales-reveals-project-cytoon-another-milestone-its-association-south-african-national

Dedicated ISTAR aircraft is what Nigeria has !

SAAF Gripen carries the same Recce pod made for Jaguar jets, so NAF too cxan claim our 18 Jaguar jets are ISTAR aircraft?

"Easily integrated onto any air platform, the DJRP is a robust, lightweight, low drag structure with a combat proven pedigree on numerous aircraft types including Jaguar, Tornado, Harrier and Hawk and has been selected by the South African Air Force for Gripen"

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/nited-kingdom/defence/air-group/isr/digital-joint-reconnaissance-pod

Why don't Nigeria use F-7 jets recce pods instead of spending $120 million on ATR-42 aircraft for ISTAR ?

ISTAR aircraft don NOT use tiny Recce pods, they use GIANT SIZE RADOME....see under the belly of NAF ISTAR.....and show me such in SAAF !
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FighterPilot:
Only because you are using a plane (ATR-42 surveyor) with built-in recce pods, so that makes you better in ISTAR. The gripen Reece pods are perfectly equipped to do what your ATR-42 does.

A perfect example would be that of a lap top with built-in Bluetooth ™ device and that which would have to use bluetooth™ dongles in order to share data but at the end of the day they achieve the same results. A lap top with built-in camera and the one that would have to use external accessory cameras, etc. Yet, they all achieve same results.

Stop talking about HP Laptop or Blackberry phone blue tooth .

F-7 jet carries Recce pod, so F-7 jet = ISTAR aircraft? No.

Show us ISTAR pod in South Africa, NOT a mere Recce pod, show us ISTAR pod
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Patchesagain:
Do you need to be reminded what ISTAR is?

Something South Africa does NOT have....that's what ISTAR is
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Patchesagain:
Gripen is an ISTAR platform that can operate in a contested airspace.

Show us Gripen jet ISTAR pod...not Recce pod, I mean ISTAR pod...show us....Olodo

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Patchesagain:
Do you need to be reminded what ISTAR is?

Something far more than ordinary Recce that is done by Gripen, F-7, Jaguar toys
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Patchesagain:
And so?

Your ATR-42 cannot operate in a contested air-space at all.

Gripen is a combat jet - it is designed to operate in contested air-space. Operations in Libya prove it.

SAAF ISTAR can operate in contested airspace
Nigerian ISTAR cannot

Proven by the fact that NATO chose the Gripen and not the ATR-42 to perform ISTAR duties in Libya!!!

Gripen showed face for about 30 minutes max endurance, Only after NATO did a SEAD on Libyan air defences that were already crippled by years of military embargo.

ATR-42 does not need to enter enemy airspace, it just flies around loitering on Nigerian air base and it's wizard eyes of a radar can see 330 km away !!!!!

SAAF can only dream while NAF displays !
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mzilakazi:
Yet it does not mean SANDF cannot do ISTAR operations. Bwahahaha…

No, SAAF has NO ISTAR capability, what you have is ordinary Recce.

F-7 jets carries Recce pod, does that make a jet fighter an ISTAR aircraft? No !

So NAF can call our F-7 jets ISTAR aircraft? Why did we buy ATR-42 and Beechcraft 350ER ?

SAAF Gripen carries the same Recce pod made for Jaguar jets, so NAF too cxan claim our 18 Jaguar jets are ISTAR aircraft?


"Easily integrated onto any air platform, the DJRP is a robust, lightweight, low drag structure with a combat proven pedigree on numerous aircraft types including Jaguar, Tornado, Harrier and Hawk and has been selected by the South African Air Force for Gripen"

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/nited-kingdom/defence/air-group/isr/digital-joint-reconnaissance-pod

[size=13pt]Recce pods do NOT make ISTAR aircraft, many jet fighters all over the world carry Recce pods and nobody is calling them ISTAR aircraft.....[/size]

SAAF is 66 years behind NAF, your toy Recce pods works on our old 1980s Jaguar jets

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Patchesagain:
That is not the distance of its ground search

Proven long ago

What is the ground search radar range of ATR-42 ? Tell us...

Patchesagain:
You have some TV screens in an Aircraft?

You have never seen such in South Africa? Yes, Nigeria showed you a mystery
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Patchesagain:
Gripen van perform ISTAR in a contested airspace

Unlike yours

NAF ISTAR = coast guard
SAAF= airforce

Gripen recce pod can only work at medium or low altitude, so enemy anti-aircraft defenses will eat all your Gripens for breakfast

APPLICATIONS

• Air tactical IMINT tasks
• Medium and low level reconnaissance
• Border Patrol, BDA, Foliage Penetration
• Support to Land Forces and SF
• Time sensitive targeting
• Suitable for all fast jet, MUAV and commercial
aircraft

https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/asset/document/DJRPc_06_12.pdf

SAAF is 66 years behind NAF
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Patchesagain:
Gripen is 66 years old?

Our brand new Kondor-E is 66 years old?

Such desperation

Your level of tech is 66 years old, SAAF belongs to the stone age when no ELINT-ISTAR existed
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MikeCZAR:
Answer this question first:


1. what is "integrated multiple computer systems console"?

Something South Africa does NOT have.... ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft....ISTAR master of Africa....NAF
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