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ThiefOfHearts:
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it bothers you yet you continue to read and reply their shit anyway.

Can anybody imagine this level of egotistic maniacal tendency, you burst into a place and utter garbage like an inhabitant of the "caves in the region of Gadarene"; and yet don't want to be replied. Only one person needs to move on, you.

mukina2:
is Islam the only religion around for them to ridicule?

Dear Mukina2,
better choose your friends wisely! The only reason you think the discussions here is ridiculing islam is because of your insecurity. And I don't blame you because there is no way to be secured in Islam. TayoD rightly said you are following a blind prophet called Muhammed and it is true. If you want to go to Abuja, and you get to the luxurious bus park in Yaba; will you enter a bus with an obviously completely blind and drunk driver shouting that he is the only driver that knows the way to Abuja although he is "not sure of the route". Or, would you not rather enter a bus with a driver calling at you gently, with a smile on his face, holding a GPS (Bible) saying "I know the way, the truth and the life".!!!() The first bus is Islam and the driver is Muhammed; the second bus is the true salvation of God through faith in Jesus Christ, who knows the way because he is the way to get there.

TayoD:
My question: How many Magis from the east came to visit Jesus?

Well, this is also a tricky question: the bible says "wise men" or magoi came from the East to worship the child Jesus without mentioning a particular number, but tradition says 3; however that number is not supported by any scriptural, historical or archeological evidences. They gave three (3) types of gift, maybe that is why "tradition' assumes 3 wise men. They could have been 30 or 300 wise men, and gave 10 tons of each of Gold, Frankescence and Myrrh.

queen2:
I'm confused, people say judaism is the oldest religion in the world and its abraham's religion, is it?
So do u think judaism and christianity is the same religion or just a similar religionAre jews also christians?

@Queen2,
I concur with m4malik's submission. In addition, while it is true that Christianity has it's root in Judaism, Christianity is a completely different entity from Judaism. In fact, the ultimate purpose of Judaism is fulfilled in Christianity; because the ultimate purpose of the Mosaic laws of Judaistic legalism is to convict of sin and lead man to Jesus Christ (Supporting ref: Matthew 5:17-20)

As per Abraham, it is incorrect to say Judaism was his religion because the laws had not been given at his time. Abraham had no religion; but he had SAVING FAITH in Lord Jesus Christ. Genesis 15:6 says of Abraham: And he BELIEVED in the Lord; and He counted it to him for RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Even today, God is not asking us to have a "religion" so to speak; He is offering us the divine grace of Salvation, which comes ONLY through Faith in Christ Jesus.

Lol Lol. . . Jesus Christ won't be ridiculing another religion, are we supposed to Christians?

@Mukinatu,,oh sorry Mukina2/Donzman,
Nobody is "ridiculing" Islam or attacking you, I think most people are actually amazed at the depth of absurdity and deception that the "practice of Islam" is; whereby salvation comes by works and sunnah. It is absurd that keeping beards, shaving pubic hairs, snuffing water into the nose (yurkkk,,,hhewww), etc are considred to be "SUNNAHTIC" if I may coin that terminology.
It is not about ridiculing your religion, it is about exposing the lies by which you are being deceived away from the true Source of Salvation, the very same source the Quran denies, i.e the Cross of Jesus Christ. When I see millions of innocent souls on TV during the Hajj "walking around a big black stone, and throwing stones/pebbles at the devil", I am honestly moved with pity, simply because "they do NOT know".
Exposing the works of deception and wickedness in Islam is not "ridiculing" but telling the truth. Jesus Christ was not shy nor politically correct in declaring that the Pharisees were "hypocrites", John the Baptist even called them "generation of vipers" leading people into destruction, Truth is bitter, but it's best told.

mukina2:
@davidylan
muneh sa bopi defer deger?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
one of my Oustass normally says the Quran is the complete book he has ever known,

@Mukina2,

Are you a Nigerian or Senegalese/Gambian/Malian, etc, this "tongues" you are speaking in sound like a language popular around those areas.

As per your Oustass, well no big deal and not surprised: Quran is the most complete book he has ever known, because Quran is the ONLY book he has ever read, that's why he is your Oustass . That assertion does not lend any credibility to the inglorious book of lies and hedonism called Quran.
But you have my sympathy anyway, for looking for any opportunity to convince the muslimis and muslimas that men and women are created equally, as different from what is preached in Islam which you can see in the various Quranic quotations posted by m4malik above and many more. But you need to try harder because these theory of 'mathematical equality' from Dr Tariq al Swaidan is illogical and will not sell to the muslimis. All the best.

mukina2:
*la ta ta khalam*

@Mukina,
Well, I dont know what you meant by the above quote, but whatever it means I have unshakable confidence in the name and blood of Jesus Christ; because It is written in Isaiah 59:19 that ",,,,,,,,,When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him." So, I say back to the sender by fire!

How many times will we tell you that English is the official language on this forum!! Take time o!

babyosisi:
babyosisi is officially now a mrs so I guess my time online will now be limited.
love you all.how did you guess?

@Babyosisi,
A very very big congratulations to you and your hubby; I pray the Lord will be the foundation, walls and the roof of your new home. Welcome aboard. I hope our mutual friend, Haji Olabowale, can now focus his search light somewhere else.

TayoD:
Can we still call you Baby[/b]osisi or do we start refering to you as [b]Madam[/b]osisi?

,,,,,,or [b]Iyawo-osisi (yoruba); or Mata-osisi (hausa); or Lolo-osisi (Ibo); or Honey-osisi (American)

queen2:
I enjoy this thraed, but i aint contribudting, i don't want wahala

@Queen,
Hey, c'mon,,,,,you can't just enjoy it and not 'drop something' Let's have a female perspective on the 'scientific research' posted by a 'jammat' that the 'male beard is a secondary sexual organ' and that plenty bushy 'mujemu' indicates sexual prowess!!

Bobbyaf:
,,,,,,,,,,,,,Christendom today is referred to as "Babylon" or religious confusion, of which the RCC is head. (See Revealtion 17),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Symbolical babylon is doing the same thing today, but this time it represents all false teachings, including professed christian churches. Every false prophet, the chief of which is the RCC is lumped under the general term babylon.

@Bobbyaf,
Thanks for your insightful post but it's lack of specificity is a minus. While you did not answer the question of the post with any "specificity", you did make "non-specific" references to one "RCC"? What specifically is "RCC"?, Redeemed Christian Church?, Roman Catholic Church?, Reformed Christian Church?, etc. What specifically are the ways by which this "RCC" is Babylon. Jesus Christ spoke in parables because the holy spirit was yet to come; now that we have the Spirit of God in us, there is no need to speak in parables, and we should speak with boldness backing it with scriptures.

But do not miss the purpose of this post; let us focus on the product of God's grace; Salvation by faith in the sacrificial death, burial, ressurection, glorification and ascension of Christ Jesus the Lord is what defines the True Church of God. One Fold, One Sheperd. There is One Church, the body of Christ; and Jesus Christ is the Head!!

TayoD:
Six things does the Lord hate; seven are an abomination unto Him.

What are they?

Proverbs 6 vs 16-19
These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

(1) A proud look, (2) A lying tongue, (3) Hands that shed innocent blood, (4) A heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, (5) Feet that be swift in running to mischief, (6) A false witness that speaketh lies, (7) He that soweth discord among brethren.

Havila:
In the Geneaology of Jesus according to Matthew, it's stated that: from Abraham to David was 14 generations; from David up to the carrying away into Babylon was another 14 generations; and from carrying into Babylon up to Christ was another 14. Questions:
(1) How many generations "actually" existed from "David up to carrying away into Babylon";
(2) Which peoples were missing from Matthew's account of the geneaology of Christ??
(3) What "actually" is the purpose of this geneaology of Jesus as given by Matthew?
Enjoy!!!

@Consultant and Genial,
Well, sorry you got questions 1 and 2 wrong (Genial got it wrong by consent! )

Actually, in the geneology of Jesus accroding to Matthew, there were 18 generations between King David up to carrying away into Babylon. Yes, in Matthew 1 vs 8 between Jehoram and Uzziah (also known as Azariah), three (3) kings were omitted - Ahaziah, Joash and Amaziah; but in addition in Matt 1 vs 11 between Josiah and Jechonia (also known as Jehoiachin), one more king was omitted- Jehoiakim.
Ref: 2nd Kings chapters 9 -24

Furthermore, with regard to the 3rd question, I agree there is not just one answer; probably it was how I framed the particular question. I also agree with Genial's submission, especially the second part. In fact, a whole textbook could be written about the purpose(s) of the geneology of Jesus according to St. Matthew, which is the "focus" of my question. For example, in addition to Genial's submission: this particular geneology could be taken as revealing that the singular theme of the whole Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, is Jesus Christ; because it provides a "bridge" linking the Old Testament of Jesus to the New Testament of Jesus. In addition, this particular geneology also revealed that the "Messianic promises" of God to King David's lineage, as written in Jeremiah 33 vs 14-16, is fulfilled in Jesus Christ; and Jesus is also the fulfillment of the covenant promises of God to Abraham, as written in Genesis 12 vs 3, 13:15, 22:18.
It also supports the prophesy in Revelations of the coming back of Jesus Christ to rule the world from Jerusalem, from the throne of David, etc, etc. Thanks

@feelgood,
simply click on "modify" which appears on the top right hand corner of your own posts to modify them!!. Now, Let me repeat my post here so the answers and questions can continue uninterrupted.
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Quote from TayoD:
"Out of the eater came forth meat, and out of the strong came forth sweetness"
- Who put forth this parable and what is/are the answer(s)?
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@TayoD, I'm not surprised that you are the one posting this question!

Answer 1: Samson put forth the parable in Judges 14:14 to the 30 companions who came to be with him for feast; he asked them to give him the meaning in 7 days.

Answer 2: Can be found in Judges 14 vs 18: the "eater" or the "strong" is the Lion and the "sweetness" is honey. Samson obviously formed the parable from his killing of a young lion that roared at him, the bees then swarmed the carcase of the lion, and there came the honey that Samson took to his parents. Ref: Judges 14 vs 5-9
I add that the 30 companions could not break the parable until they conspired with Samson's wife who got the answer from him.
Nice one, TayoD!!

Now mine!!.
In the Geneaology of Jesus according to Matthew, it's stated that: from Abraham to David was 14 generations; from David up to the carrying away into Babylon was another 14 generations; and from carrying into Babylon up to Christ was another 14.
Question:
(1) How many generations "actually" existed from "David up to carrying away into Babylon";
(2) Which peoples were missing from Matthew's account of the geneaology of Christ??
(3) What "actually" is the purpose of this geneaology of Jesus as given by Matthew?
Enjoy!!!

@Shahan,
You response above is a breadth of fresh air; welcome aboard!!

Hey Babyosisi,
Welcome back Missed you and your posts a lot; seriously!!!!.
Happy New Year to you too.

Quote from TayoD:
"Out of the eater came forth meat, and out of the strong came forth sweetness"
- Who put forth this parable and what is/are the answer(s)?
=============================================================================


@TayoD, I'm not surprised that you are the one posting this question!

Answer 1: Samson put forth the parable in Judges 14:14 to the 30 companions who came to be with him for feast; he asked them to give him the meaning in 7 days.

Answer 2: Can be found in Judges 14 vs 18: the "eater" or the "strong" is the Lion and the "sweetness" is honey. Samson obviously formed the parable from his killing of a young lion that roared at him, the bees then swarmed the carcase of the lion, and there came the honey that Samson took to his parents. Ref: Judges 14 vs 5-9
I add that the 30 companions could not break the parable until they conspired with Samson's wife who got the answer from him.
Nice one, TayoD!!

Now mine!!.
In the Geneaology of Jesus according to Matthew, it's stated that: from Abraham to David was 14 generations; from David up to the carrying away into Babylon was another 14 generations; and from carrying into Babylon up to Christ was another 14.
Question:
(1) How many generations "actually" existed from "David up to carrying away into Babylon";
(2) Which peoples were missing from Matthew's account of the geneaology of Christ??
(3) What "actually" is the purpose of this geneaology of Jesus as given by Matthew?
Enjoy!!!

@Chidicris,
Nna, my brother, DID YOU READ MY ENTRY ABOVE UPSIDE DOWN? I had to go back and read my post again to be sure it was the one you were referring to. READ IT AGAIN!! fact, I am short of words. I said "I wondered why decent and intellectually inclined guys like you Chidicris, TayoD,etc, continue to engage that insult-throwing empty chap in discussions",,,,,,,,. Now read my post again, chidicris, then apologise or else expect letter from my lawyers (Gani Fawehinmi+Femi Falana+Olisa Agbakoba+Rotimi Williams's ghost, etc) I am sure they will come up with something I can sue you for!

davidylan:
I just can't help wondering if there is nothing wrong with an individual who prefers to insult EVERYONE he disagrees with. That last line was pushing the limits of sanity.

@Davidylan,
On the other hand, I seriously wonder what is wrong with decent and intellectually inclined guys like Chidicris, 4play, TayoD et al who still engage "such an individual" in any dialogue at all. It's just like standing in an open market place and having an heated arguement with the "landlord" of a market square; people wont know the difference. I guess you guys can continue your discussion "totally and delibrately oblivious" of "such an individual" in order to restore sanity to this interesting discourse. Others who want to join this debate and contribute will refrain, and rightly so, if they see the how it's gone. Mariory was right long time ago.

@Olabowale et 'jammat'
This the second part of my letter to you; and I intend to briefly address the religious state of spiritual ignorance in which you exist and through which you understand things. As reference, I have highlighted a relevant portion of the quote below which is often repeated. No doubt it is from the teachings you've received in the local masjid, as well as from TV/seminars/writings by the likes of deluded Mr Ahmed Didat.

olabowale:
@Havila:,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Any day, I will take a path that combine belief that is logical as in Oneness of God, with doing good work and seeking forgiveness of sins. This is different from your blind faith in the death of a person "who could not save himself from the hands of his enemies, even though, he wished the would spare him". Is this person who was told this peril condition before hand and knew the consequence of his mission, yet cried out like a baby good enough to be called a believer in his own mission. Is this what you call your God? Havila, take a second look at such a man and know that such a person can not be trusted.

You've various times refered to the humanity and death of Jesus Christ as indicating His inferiority. This is very similar to the positions of the heretics of the ancient city of Colossae who propagated what appears to be an early form of Gnosticism; some concept of which is indoctrinated into Islam. That Jesus is God and that the Gospel is true is not in any doubt: the universal spread and effectiveness of the gospel verify that assertion; and it is bearing fruit in the lives of those who choose to embrace the faith in Him.
However, to help your understanding: I wish to show that the life and especially the death of Jesus Christ points to His superiority; this is because His death is the divine means of achieving reconciliation to God. Reconciliation as used here means the "act whereby God, through Christ's atonement, brings men who are at odds with Him through sin, back into a peaceful, proper relationship with Himself." His death brings human sin under judgement, and his ressurection shows victory over sin and acceptance of the sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. This is the concept of Atonement. The ultimate purpose of this spritual reconciliation is to usher the believer into the presence of God; not just the futuristic presence of God in heaven but right from here on earth through the spirit of God that dwells in the heart of the believer. This is the mystery: "Christ in you, the hope of Glory" i.e that Christ's life, character, virtues, values, thoughts, attitudes etc are present in the life of a believer through the indwelling Spirit of God is certanity that he/she is headed towards glory (heaven).
This is a product of seeking divine wisdom that gives accurate perception into the true nature of the Living God made flesh. Such wisdom gives true spiritual understanding; such wisdom is what we are inviting you into. That is called living in Light!!

olabowale:
@Havila:
(1),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"I limit my education to what interest me". So, your calling me a Jack of all trades, shows that I am getting under your skin.

(2) In your rage, you forgot that I have studied your personality. I only respond to you and people like you when I have the time and to actually be a counterlever for those who might tip over by the majic(?)(I think it is "magic" works that you are seducing the weak.

(3) Now, if you think, critically, you will realise that Muhammad (AS), obliterated Blood sacrifice(How??), without a purpose or with delutional hangover, like what you have in christianity. Muslims do not even kill an animal except that the primary purpose for it is food! Allah, The Almighty provides many ways to seek foogiveness and receive the rewards of belief and deeds. The Jews are stuck on work alone, whreeas the christians are stuck on blind faith. Any day, I will take a path that combine belief that is logical as in Oneness of God, with doing good work and seeking forgiveness of sins. (but not repentance or avoiding the sins)

(4) Some of you said that since Emmanuel means God is with us, this makes a person bearing that name to be god. I ask, how many persons "after Jesus" have been named Emmanuel?

(5) ,,,,,,,, So if my washing with water in a way to purify myself and as the water drips off from my body, the mountain of sins that I have committed are melting away like salt (In your Dreams!!!! ). This is the great mercy of the Merciful on me and the muslims

@Olabowale,
Response to 1: It is obvious your understanding is also very limited just as you "limit your education to what interests you" (your words); as a result, the width of your comprehension are narrowed to the limited education you pursue. I am not surprised at this for somebody whose best source of information is the TV box.
Saying you are a 'jack-of-all-trades' is simply a figurative description of your 'insecure' attempts to talk of medicine, architecture, law etc but it is obvious to all and sundry that you are "a master of none" (i.e Jack of all trades, master of none!) Another engineer is calling you a probable fake,,,,,now that's what a real professional will not tolerate; maybe it is your statements that suggested that to him, that's why it's not good to talk too much !!

Response to 2: Seriously, you do not have the capacity to study anybody's personality! You view of life is very uni-directional; your understanding of faith is confounded; your attitude to another man is dominated my material things,,,in short you are a very simple and transparent person. That is why it is so easy to pick through your post and reveal how illogical it is.

Response to 3: You are indeed like a skipping broken record ,,,you know the old vinyl players when it skips, it keeps on repeating the same thing over and over again. Since the beginning, you've been saying the same thing over and over about Christianity and Jesus Christ because your understanding does not surpass the various programmes on TV or the seminars in your local masjid. We've presented the scriptural facts to you and various 'jammat's in various dimensions; we approached the ideology of Islam and philosophy of Muhammed from multi-directional manners: historical, archeological, personality, faith & belief system, comparative analysis, etc and we've shown WITH FACTS that Islam is the deceptive work of devil and muhammed is the chief priest. I can see that the information is getting to you; this is why you go on a unidirectional tirades 'against' Jesus too. But you see, you don't have anything to say about our Lord, his philosophy, his teaching, his ministry and lifestyle; what you are saying are just plain comfabulations from your own mind with no basis. You remind me of the muslim students when I was in university; always sitting down in front of TV and listening to "Ahmed Didat". It's the same thing you doing even now and repeating the same story of Mr Didat; but we've conducted our research on Islam and muhammed- the apostle of your idolatory- and we are exposing the truth for the world to see and hear his paedophilic exploits, debauchery, officially sanctioned lying, hedonistic lifestyle, and propagation of false salvation like all the other false prophets, etc.

Response to 4: I wont ask you to think "critically" sir, because that will be a difficult request, but I will ask you a simple question in response to your statement about the name Emmanuel. Rather than wonder how many people "after" Jesus have been named Emmanuel, should you not be wondering that nobody "before" Jesus Christ was so named? It is only a simplistic thinking that the names Oluwa this, Oluwa that means the same thing. You see why I said that even the limited knowledge you profess is "uni-directional" sir!!

Response to 5: If you like, live under water or wash your self 1 million times a day; it is written that "there is NO remission of sins without shedding of blood." Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God, his shed blood is constantly atoning for sins and his spirit laid upon the heart of believers is writing the new laws of God in the inward man, thereby keeping you to avoid and convicting you of "mountain of sins". A deceptive lie such as the one you believe is an opportunity for you to continue living in sins, believing that by washing yourself the former sins are passed away, and new ones can come in to be later washed when you bath,  It is not true, Muhammed is a deceptive person who was not sure of what his god will do to him at the point of death. How can you put your trust in the teaching of such a man? You said sometimes ago that "it is not popular to be a muslim now"!! It has never been popular to be in Islam. A religion founded upon deception and lies; propagated by wickedness; anchored on blind dogma; maintained by intolerance of critique and analysis; sustained by threats of death for 'apostates' can NEVER and will NEVER be popular. Such a religion is ISLAM: it is a work of wickedness, propagated by a dog-like prophet when it comes to sex or women; offering you false salvation by denying the true source of salvation in it's book; but attempts to draw credibility through the life of the true source of Salvation simply to sustain it's confusion.

nuru:
People who fail to see that Islam is the "natural religion" of mankind are blind in "spirit". They are the ingrates and unless they come back to the path of "eternal bliss", they will remain doomed.

Nurudeen has revealed he is actually an euphemism for confusion; with the use of words he does not even understand hence he is contradicting himself. Since Islam is a "natural" religion, then there is no need for any "spiritual" insight to know it. It takes a "natural" man to know "natural" things or the things of nature; but it takes "spiritual" insight to discern the things of a "Spiritual God". In John 4 vs 24, the Lord Jesus said "God is a Spirit, and those that worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth."

That Islam is a NATURAL religion is NOT in doubt because it's all man-made works of deception and lies; a natural religion such as Islam, where salvation is through "works of flesh", can NEVER lead to eternal bliss, but ONLY to eternal DAMNATION!!! Get wisdom.

@All,
Well, it's quite unfortunate and my prayers are with the families affected. But with an estimated 70% of the population living below the poverty line; unemployment among the economically viable age-group estimated at >60%; and a general abysmally poor human development index, wealth distribution, national planning etc etc, news like this will continue breaking from Nigeria. It's sad but unavoidable. So much for the Heart of Africa project.

TayoD:
America may not be in Somalia right now, but a lot, and I mean a lot of Somalis have been relocated to the U.S. as refugees of the war.

@TayoD et al,
Well, America is also currently giving technical support and training to the Ethiopian military in the fight against the Somali islamic clerics and the latest news is that the somalis are in retreat.
But the main point is this: I hope the US intelligence services has infiltrated the large Somali community who relocated to the US; this is because the perceived support of US for Ethiopia is an incentive for recruitment of somalians in US for terrorist attack. The second wave of a potential mass suicide bombing that failed in London on July 21 2005, were planned and executed by Somali citizens who were also relocated to the UK as refugees during the war, given council houses, paid despite not working, received free health care at tax payers expenses, etc.  But they decided to attack the UK because of the Middle East crisis. Now compare this with the current happening, and you see the clear danger sign on the horizon for the US. That's just their way of saying thank you!!
By the way, what's African Union doing?

belloti:
I always noticed this unwarranted anger and hatred in your replies to Bro. Olabowale and the rest of us.

@Belloti,
Before you can discern what makes sense from what does not, you must first of all demostrate that you have 'the sense' and 'capacity' to 'discern' that difference. Because of your accusations, I have tried to outline some very few quotes from the various utterances of your uncle to which approprate responses were always respectfully given. Check them out!!!:

olabowale:
@Havila,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,You see the pattern of your reasoning?
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,You will not like to be my enemy.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,You can not see, even as you have perfect sight. You can not hear, even as your hearing is very acute.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Afterall, this is your paradise, as a Kafr.!

olabowale:
@Havila:
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,If we disappear, people like you will run rabid,,,,,,,running amock!

I have never seen a more skidish person, as you. You are very stubbort and cling desperately to your ignorance. !

Stick to the subject, havila. Then you will not have a glove off, tongue lashing from me.
,,,,,,,,,,,,To me you are a nobody.

olabowale:
@Havila:
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,even though you are a specialist in your field of study, it all amounts to limited knowledge!

Now Belloti, having read them; for somebody like you with selective reasoning or probably selective dyslexia induced by your ignoble desire "to always be on the side of truth" even before knowing what is truth or not; how credible or sensible do you think is your claim of knowing what makes sense and what does not? It is an absolutely senseless claim with no credibility, as demostrated. You simply closed your "reasoning" and your "eyes" to the campaing of calumny and aggression being waged by your fellow 'jammat' against everybody who dare oppose him, as much as we've tried to maintain peace; but turn around to talk of "unwarranted replies." So much for an islamic scholar! If you, a supposedly "educated" muslim, behaves like this; what do you think differentiates you from all the uneducated "almajiris" who kill and attack anybody over a "cartoon they've never even seen"? Absolutely nothing. Don't you see that you've imbibed and demostrated the same 'closed reasoning' whereby your sense of justice, reasoning, education and scholarship goes to sleep; and you are controlled by the unreasonable desire to defend "my brother", even though he is the aggressor!!

Belloti, you are a disappointment indeed; because I had thought you probably represent the new younger generation of muslims who still allow their God given intellect to direct them; but alas, you are the just same, only presenting a facade!!! How can you then talk of "freewill"? You obviously don't have any "freewill" because you've submitted it to the Imam at your 'masjid'. So how do you think you can know/discern the good from the evil you are in called Islam?. Don't you see how transparent you've become!!. God knows you have potentials Belloti, but you need to change your company. I am not talking of your faith or belief now; but just being in an environment where you are encouraged to think for yourself will help you in collecting your so-called "freewill" back from your 'masjid'. Then you can actually know the evil in which you are clinging on to. Dont take this as a personal attack, this is just an analysis of your behavious and what you've said. Having explain your type of reasoning, the rest of your posts and questions makes perfect sense,,,,,,,It is a product of a mind completely devoid of understanding because the freewill or discerning capacity is absent. Merry Christmas, Jesus is Lord!.

belloti:
Hajj Bay tal Lah

Belloti,
Since you've run out of ideas; you can only communicate in the ONLY language recognised, sanctioned and understood by the limited "baalim" called allah. That's called 'escape theology' for a limited idol.
Dont worry, the true living God is OmniScience i.e He is All Knowing and understands, sanctions and recognises All languages.
Sallaam a leikum!; Peace be unto you!; Alaafia fun e o!; Nan ga def!, etc

@Belloti,
Yes, that's true; but to believe that's all about Jesus the Christ is a product of an incomplete reasoning. He is the Message, the messenger and sender of the message. What is the message? Simple! Peace to mankind and eternal Salvation. That's why the taurat describes him as the "Prince of Peace" and the new testament figuratively describes him as the "Gospel" i.e. the Good News.
What you need for now is not "belief"; but a clear "understanding" of who is the true God, what makes him God. You can know it by looking at the birth, life, ministry, death and ressurection of Jesus. When you have some understanding, then the belief will come. But, to get the understanding, you need to know the principle of "Justice, Atonement and Mercy". Atonement is the only bridge linking Justice to Mercy. Ablutions and water dripping down your beard/body ; stoning a rock at an idol worship; walking around a rock until you get dizzy; knocking your head on the ground 50 x 5 times a day, etc can never bridge the gap between Justice and Mercy. Because they are all works and self achievements.
Now, if you are indeed a wise man, find out what really constitutes atonement for justice in any belief system.

@Belloti,
It's really a surprise that you will be one of those who uses the 'kinky' Reverend as your benchmark of knowing what is right or wrong. Well, probably you guys have more in common. I thought 'scholarstic' attributes includes intuition and sensible disagreement; not just propagation of falacies of ambiguity and irrelevant conclusions.
Had it been your 'uncle' who uses Reverend as his benchmark, I would not be surprised. But you? I had previously thought your display of commendable intellectual dialogue could be temporary; just when I am beginning to believe you are for real, you've totally confirmed my prior thinking.

olabowale:
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, If God has willed success for you, you will be successful. He will give you all the tools that will make the success a reality for you. Afterall, Abiola, your favorite man was elected the President of Nigeria. Whereas, your favorite father of the Yorubas, with all his conniness and armwringing, Obafemi Awolowo, never smelled that same success, however limited and unaccomplished it was for Abiola.


,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Hanging your hope in a man, according to your Bible description of him is full of anger and created many havoc in his youth and full of so much destruction and cried out because he could not bear the mere punishment of men, in his adult and died miserable. If this is your God, then await the reward of your belief, from The true God, Who is Irresistable, in the day of judgement. He punishes and the like of such can not be captured by human mind. Truly you will know then. Enjoy as much as you can. Afterall, this is your paradise, as a Kafr. Unless, you seek truth in worship and God's way is constant.

@Olabowale,
As I always do, I have picked out the ONLY portions of your usually lenghty and empty post that deserves any response.
You see, I am really learning more about this wicked idol that you call allah from your posts, in addition to what I know already about "it's" nature. The more I know, I will boldy tell you and the rest of the world, so you can see that allah is not the same as the Almighty God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; because God is an unchanging God and his words and nature remain the same from before the beginning of ages to everlasting. While your allah "willed success for some and not others", listen to what the true God said after he created man, He said man is "Very Good". He also said "his thoughts towards men are thoughts of good and not of evil, to bring us to an expected end." The True God WILLs success for EVERY man and woman but achieving it depends on how we exercise His WILL. It is obvious that your understanding of success does not extend beyond material possession; but the success of true God includes not only earthly success but also success of the everlasting soul of man!!!!!!.

Have you not heard of the Ibo proverb that "Nearly no dey kill bird" (?), your buddy buddy Abiola was 'elected' president but never assumed the throne because his previous evil works caught up with him. The same people with whom he looted were the same ones who frustrated him to death. Talk about the wickedness of a man catching up with him . But thank God you yourself even know that, "politically", Awolowo can be described as the father of Yorubas. Even though he was not elected President, his achievement and reputation as of today (decades after his death) are still speaking fom him. Now, we have Awolowo factor in politics, have you ever heard of Abiola factor?. Awolowo was described as the 'Best President Nigeria Never Had'; but sex-obsessed philandering Abiola was described appropriately as the 'Worst President Nigeria Never Had.' People supported the principle of June 12, not Abiola; a man who could not even manage his family, how could he manage a nation. But Awolowo or Abiola, they are both not my business neither am I interested in your beef with Awolowo, sort it out with Oluwole.

Probably, you are reading the version of the bible you have upside down, because we would like to know where he "wrecked havoc and destruction". Or are you mistaking him for Muhammed?; the man who is acclaimed to have brought nothing good to the world other than violence, hatred, intolerance, deception and bloodshed. Mahatma Ghandi said "if all Christians could be like Jesus Christ, he would become one"; can any sane person say the same about Muhammed. In fact, if just 0.00001% of muslims are anything like muhammed, the world would have been in more greater danger than it is now. Yes Jesus Christ is God, very strict, bold, all powerful but humble, who though is in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God. But made Himself of no reputation, and was made in the likeness of man. And being made in the form of man, he humbed himself, even obedient unto death on the cross. And He is highly exalted and given a name that is above every name that is named in heaven, on earth or under the earth. And that at the name of Jesus, every knee should bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. It is this faith in Jesus that separates the world of faith into the Sheeps under the protection of that great sheperd (Jesus Christ) in One Fold; and the Goats who'll rather believe in all sorts of deities who cannot save themselves.