₦airaland Forum

@Belloti,
I was enjoying your analytical evaluation of the different regions, and when I thought yes! belloti is going to give a counter opinion, you stopped short at the usual rhetoric. Is it that you dont have any opinion or suggestion? and/or you think there is a way we can manage this current 'ethnocentric', unstable, anti-progressive and corrupt political system that we have now without some very difficult reform?. I am interested in your own opinion. You are right!!, it is not only the north that has become lazy because of the new golden egg of 'oil', even the west and the east have all become complacent, while the hen that lays the egg is wallowing in abject poverty. But that can change.
I am also against secession of any part of Nigeria (for now!!); but I am still convinced that one way forward is definitely true federalism

belloti:
The king welcomed them and explained the similarities between the two religions to them after hearing their Islamic concept.

@Belloti,
If you dont mind, can you please post the "similarities" that the king explained if you know them. Just curious.

belloti:
Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #82)

@Belloti et jammat,
Accept my condolences for feeling 'betrayed' by us 'christians' on this forum who according to your inglorious quran quotation above should be slightly more "in love to the believers" (I guess that's you muslims right?) than the Jews and pagans. By the way  on what basis was the classification made of "near or not near in love to belivers"?. However, read your other quranic quotation below:

belloti:
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians, christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for Allah is witness of all things.
( سورة الحج , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #17)

But here, your allah is still going to judge the jews, pagan christians etc anyway regardless of their nearness in love to you belivers. Does that not put a heavy strain on spiritual logic to you? It's absolutely ludicrous.
You see we are admonished by God through the apostles in the Bible that we should "NOT be carried about by strange and divers doctrines and it is a good thing that the heart to be established in grace" (Hebrews 13:9) We are firmly established in the true doctrine of God's mercies and grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and have no belief at all in the idolatrous and violent doctrines of muhammed and his god whom ye believe. But that does not mean we do not love you as people or individuals; yes we do, because it is only by love, and in love (not by sword or humiliation of muhammed's method) that we can show you the way to Christ as we've been commanded because it is the ONLY way:--> We know that because it is written that "Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, and no man cometh unto the Father except by the Son." If we refuse to understand and be 'near in love' to the false doctrines of muhammed and Islam, it is simply because it is ,,,,,,,,,,,,,well,,,,one of the divers, false and strange doctrines we've been warned about.
May God (I mean the true Living God who is three persons in one) bless you and keep you

@Belloti,
This is why I said you should do your research well. Your understanding of the history of war between Shiites and Sunnis seems to be limited to their fight for political domination in Iraq, my friend, it goes way back to 9-11th century. Research it, because both of them are not my bussiness or interest. As per Israel, it goes more than the land or Jerusalem issue; it goes down to the anti-semitic, anti-christian instructions in the Quran as posted by Babyosisi.

@Belloti,
Very good! let's keep on talking. I appreciate your concern and the fact that only few but powerful northerners took us where we are now. But some people suggested secession, I suggested a true federalism with regional power bases and weak centre, what do you suggest and why? This is the level where we can reason and stop rethorics, my dear brother!

@Belloti,
Ok now! Enough of this "victims disposition" that you are now adopting on this issue. If you really are convinced of the "new nigeria concept and believe in the nigerian spirit" then you should come up with reasonable suggestions and ideas about how it can be achieved regardless of the oppostions to your idea or concept. I personnally agree with a lot of the anti-north sentiments displayed on this forum; but what is the way forward? So rather than you being bothered about how "unsmart" nairalanders are because they disagree with you and your position, that is not a reason to withdraw into a shell and adopt a "cry-baby" mentality; you should be able to stand your ground even in the face of the most vicious oppositions if you are convinced of the soundness of your dreams and vision of the new nigeria. If you are wiating for 'people to live up to expectation', you will wait forever, make us agree with you if you have ideas and suggestions of how we can achieve a Nigeria where everybody feels a sense of belonging; where people do not see their ethnicity as a disadvantage in the scheme of things; where we could annex all available oportunities and skills to move the federation forward; where youths can dare to dream!!!
So, stop 'whimpering' and talk if you have concrete issues, bro!!

belloti:
Thats not true. Does the sunnis or shiites in Iraq uses religion as their justification? Does the Palestinians uses Islam as their justification or Does Bin laden totally used Islam as his Justification. You only see terrorism where there is invasions and injustice.

@Belloti,
At times when I read your post, I wonder whether you live on the moon and occasionally visit planet earth or probably get your information on occurences on earth by watching the news clips on Moon TV. Seriously!! So what do all your brothers you mentioned above use as their justification to wreck havoc if not their faith? Do you even know the history of the sunnis' and the shiites,? they've been at each others throat since the 11 century, why did iranian presidents and the Ayatollahs and palestines declared they want to wipe out israel and it's allies?. Do you simply think it is because of the land issues? Belloti, Belloti, do your research well well my brother!

jammin:
Do i really believe Africa is cursed? YES!!! how else do you explain its condition. don't you see them operating like people on the tower of Babal? can't unite around anything. having said that i'm hoping i have not offended anyone.

Jamaica is the largest english speaking Caribbean country and the standard of living is way above that of nigeria(no disrespect to the readers). i keep telling people the only people who migrate are those on the lower economic rung.

@ Josboy and all others,
Do you now believe that this guy is very foolish, stupid and probably a marijuana-smoking 'mongol'? Initially I said his beliefs are stupid but now that he came back 'smoking', he has shown himself to be the personification of imbecility. Africa is not cursed but a blessed continent, my foolish 'ja-fake-ican'.

@Babyosisi and Davidylan,
I enjoy the maturity in the exchange between you two. Just like Davidylan quoted appropriately, 'let him that stand take heed, least he fall'. The issue is that the real enemy is the 'son of perdition, the king of this world'; he is the enemy that came to steal, kill and destroy not just lives but what comes before destroying christian life- christian faith. And he is attacking the body of christ. Dont get me wrong, Ted Haggard will face responsibility for his actions if guilty. When great men of God like him fall, you know countless numbers can follow, just read somebody's post above in this thread who said he is no longer going to church again, as if he and Ted Hagard will stand together on judgment day, or as if Ted is the 'standard' and not Jesus. Let everyman guard his faith jealously

Our God is a merciful God. One can only pray for him, his wife and family at such a times like this. But down is not out with God, only in the court of men. Bob Gass wrote of a man who was cast out of his church following a 'fall' but God later used him mightily following repentance. This is good for Ted Haggard because it shows God still has use of him, otherwise this issue will not be discovered, and he will continue to be in bondage of such pervesion and perish in it. It is difficult but the purpose of this tribulation should be for him to mature more in christ, deal with his flesh and for everybody to watch him/herself. Whoever has no sin, let them throw the first stone. The atheist and muslims can cry to high heavens, their problem!!-- our God is merciful and wont cut off his head or hand or stone him to death. We will love Ted Haggard and still pray for him and the church and continue to pray to God to root out all trees of evil in the body of christ. Amen.

JosBoy4Lif:
@ Havilla
You can not call one persons beliefs Stupid Lies, You don't have that right!
You can only voice your own perspective, my2cents

Oh yes!, I do, it is inherent in freedom of speech. Maybe you need to learn how to extrapolate or 'read in between lines'. From these guy's statement (read it) he believes that Africa is cursed (stupid x 100), he also believes almost all slaves were sold by their kins men hence Africa is suffering today because of that-- this particular story is the handiwork of white supremacists who do not want Europe and the rest to take the blame for slavery, and is only bought by intellectually lazy peoples like Jammin.
If that belief is not stupid to you, then you guys must be cousins.

jammin:
We who were sold by our brothers still carried a lot of our past with us.
Chumas said that AA are jealous because native Africans know from whence they came. westernize Africans know the truth also. As it was with Joseph who was sold into bondage, so shall it be with Caribbean and AA blacks. They will be the one to move Africa from off its knees. The act of selling your brother has cursed generations and those yet unborn.

@Jammin,
I don't know how they say somebody is a 'mumu' in Jamaican patoi, maybe 'bombaclot'; but you are real 'mumu'. So you believe native Africans sold your fore-fathers into slavery as stated by Chuma, and you also believe Caribbeans and AA are like 'Joseph' sent to Egypt to preseve his generation. I'm sure you also believe Emperor Haile Selassie is the living God.
You better find something to do and better your lot in the Americas before you start thinking of getting Africans off their knees. Africa is already getting off it's knee. There is a proverb in Yoruba, when translated, it mean: "when somebody says he/she will give you cloth, you first look at the one he/she is wearing." You better sort yourselves out where you are and stop believing stupid lies.

@All,
I (like my 'aburo' Mukina2 ), am very very proud to be Lefty. Though they tried to change me as a kid, they were unsuccessful because right from childhood I rebelled against the attempt; I cannot be forced to do what I can't do or be what I am not i.e. right handed. I am sure with education, the understanding on 'left-hand' issue can be changed in Nigeria/Africa because a lot of children are being stupidly abused over it for no good reason. After all, scientific evidences has proved it to be genetic.

@ Nightfall,
I will assume this is not a 'crank-post' and will also assume you still read the responses. Based on these assumptions, I can motivate myself to respond. This is what I've got to tell you as a married man like yourself.
In every man, there is a 'kid' and a 'king'. Our wives are the ones who mostly see the kid in us; while colleagues at work, friends etc usually see the king in us.
I believe there are 3 primary reasons that makes men cheat:
(1) If you are NOT being 'satisfied', at home;
(2) If you are satisfied but NOT getting 'enough respect' at home; and then you meet a lady who adores you and makes you feel like a 'king'. (mistresses are usually very good at that!!)
(3) If you are 'satisfied', getting 'enough respect' but just want to boost your own ego i.e after marriage you might still want to assure yourself that you still have the 'skills' or 'effect' on women.

I think you probably might fall into the third category from your post-- and these, with all due respect, is the true description of an IRRESPONSIBLE MAN. I will advise you to look at what you have in your home, wife, kids, happiness(?), and those who love and respect you; and then imagine loosing all that, the disappointment, etc. I am sure if you imagine that, it will cool your ego that is going on 'tripping'. I wont preach to you because this is not the religion forum, that's why I am giving you the 'real-life' scenario that you will understand and appreciate (hopefully). What you are experiencing is pride, deal with it otherwise, you will set yourself backward.

babyosisi:
Only a woman can deliver Nigeria of its demons.The men have failed us woefully.(^{make una no abuse me o)}

@Babyosisi,
Dont be afraid, we'll try not to yab u!! But na lie, men have not failed Nigeria woefully, have you heard that "behind or rather beside every successful man is a successful woman", well in Nigeria "Behind, beside, and in-front of every corrupt, irresponsible male politician or leader we've had, is a probably more corrupt woman encouraging him on."

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Then even in the Bible if you factor out Paul materials, which are directly opposite to the core companions of Jesus, eg Peter, etc, then the whole of the faith thing will be zero. the hypothesis will fall flat on its own weight.

@Babyosisi et al,
Dear, make you take am easy. What you see displayed by 'some people' here can best be described as "tunnel reasoning"'; i.e when you don't understand something, then it must be wrong . It is really amusing because it reminds me of one of my brothers: when he was in early secodary school, I use to teach him maths whenever I come home from Ife, especially algebra, which he did not like then. When I give him assignments taken from exercises in his text-book and he does not understand a question, he argues that the question must be wrong Thank God, today he is a molecular biologist and almost finishing his PhD in a leading university in US.

Ignorance is terrible, especially when built on a foundation of 'Jesus-phobia' prejudice and pride. A casual and ignorant reading of say Ephesians or Hebrews and the Epistle of James will potray the writings of Paul on faith as "direcly opposite" to that of James - "a core companion of Jesus". However, detail and humble analysis will reveal that all of new testament teachings are not only in agreement,  in fact they are mutually reinforcing in every aspect. Understanding of the context, the listeners (jews or gentiles, judaizers or nominal xtians), etc will reveal this. Even those of us in christ pray to God for the holy spirit to teach us, opne our eyes and enreach our understanding when we read the Bible, how much more those who are totally blind to the available grace of God trying to teach us the true scriptures. Does'nt that put a heavy strain on spiritual logic? Wonders shall never end o, my sister!!!

@nferniy,
My opinion on 'most' of seun's comment stands based on 'most' of his contributions on the religion forum; I don't need to explain it to you.

And you, an atheist, who has declared that the bible is anti-intellectual and anti-reasoning in your own understanding, attempting to dispute my elucidation on christian faith put's a strain on logic. How can you dispute what you do not know, have or understand? Even, if you had faith before and lost it when you became 'enlightened', then yours' was like the seed that fell by the way side or fell on shallow ground i.e no root because nobody taste of the truth of God and let go. Trials and tribulation might shake it, but not remove it.
Declaring that suppression of freethought is in the history of christianity is a clear indication that your mind is unable to comprehend my earlier post on what christianity really is; as contrasted to what or how it's been used before. I am not surprised at your asking me "what are the characteristics or principles of God"; it is in your 'anti-intellectual' bible but can only be decoded by a humble mind, not a haughty one. Maybe you've heard of the expression that 'people have eyes but yet they cannot see, they have ears but cannot ear'.
Now, if you still can't digest and be nourished from milk, how do we go to feeding you meat and bone?

(I) @Drusilla,
I think you are trying 'dress-up' or 'make sexy' what the original poster is saying by your eloquent reasoning. However, it is clear he is not asking why 'christianity' is losing favor with whites but rather "why we are bothering with 'christianity' when the whites who introduced it to us are obviously loosing interest". I am writing christianity in quote because obviously the writer's concept or undrstanding of christianity is as a 'religion'; and the not the true concept of christianity as a faith-- an "individual" quest at wisdom, spiritual understanding and maturity through the belief in, and discipleship of the doctrines or teachings of Jesus Christ. True faith in Christ results in the liberation of the mind, the scriptures bring such depth of wisdom to man, that I really am not surprised at the attempts by the white supremacist in those days to prevent black peoples from reading the bible. The fight for emancipation of blacks, end of slavery and death of apartheid in South Africa were all birthed through the increase in faith and understanding of christianity by leading black figures who led such fights. Rather than use the attitude of the so called 'whites' as a barometer, an intuitive mind will rather see it as what happens when the true purpose of something is corrupted to fulfill certain selfish objectives. What do I mean? White peoples brought 'christianity' to Africa, together with education and unfortunately also brought slavery. The 'religion of chrsitianity' was used to then to perpetuate slavery, but you cannot build lies upon truth, so slavery collapsed when faith started increasing backed by education. A lot of whites now are loosing interest in 'religion' of christanity not just because of science or techonological advancement, but more importantly because they are somehow ashamed to be associated with a 'religion' used by their fore-fathers to perpetuate wickedness, slavery etc. The 'fact' that christianity was used then to perpetuate illegality did not and has not removed the 'truth' about what christianity really is - an individual decision of faith in the true God and knowledge of grace from the true God. Now, this is a spiritual understanding that each person will seek rather than use somebody else as a barometer for understanding; and a lot of factors influence seeking such understanding; true understanding of science, availability of sincere knowledgeable teachers or leaders, maturity, etc

(II) Quote from Seun: Any system that discourages people from using their minds will be used by oppressors to keep the common man under.  

Most of Seun's comment are rather immature, devoid of understanding, and backed by faulty logic; rather than premature. To his own understanding, 'christianity' is one of the systems that discourages people from using their minds. Well, that is the 'religion' of christianity mindset to which he and a lot seem to 'understand'; and not the mindset of 'Christian faith' which is a truly liberated mind i.e a mind that digs deep, seeks wisdom, direction and understanding using the characteristics or principles of the living God. Does he know this, I doubt it. The white supremacists in America, south Africa used the concept of christianity as a religion to subjugate the blacks, but the blacks on the other hand rather got the faith-understanding of christianity to fight for their God-given freedom. In all things, it is always better to seek wisdom and understanding personally.

didoflex:
I give up, am not attacking you, your religion etc. I guess its too sensitive an issue to generate unbiased discuss.
Open you minds to the rest of the world. Guard your faith, well, Its yours (I wonder what you'll be if u were born in a Muslim/Hindu or Jewish family), ChristianI rest my case.
God be with you.

@Didoflex,
Well, neither myself or Babyosisi attacked you, we only gave our response/opinion to the 'deja-vu' articles or e-mails you posted, we've seen it or heard it all before. Why dont you give us your own opinion or unbiased discuss.
My mind has already been opened to "the ONLY way, the truth and the life" and I have no desire to go back to the 'rest of the world' because there is nothing there other than a life of shame and directionless or hopeless life. This decision is anchored on the 'substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen'.
Do you have any idea of what I am talking about?

@All,
I agree with exu; this is one of the dumbest threads of all time. I see the originator and most of those who agree with him as individuals with very low self-esteem and suffer from inferiority complex. Otherwise, at this time and age of individual acquisition of wisdom, some peoples are still using the "white man's" attitude as a barometer of what should or should not be an inidividual quest at faith and understanding.
Well, white man also gave us Africans education, and by all information available, university enrollment is dropping fast here in UK and most of europe, so why dont you stop going to school and go back to hunting like your fore-fathers?.
Dont you guys sound pathethic and moronic!

@All,
Now this is getting quite interesting: I am more than convinced that if we do not "voluntarily re-organise" that false entity called Nigeria, we might (I sincerely pray not!) have to force ourselves apart.
In a situation in which one of the 'prominent northen presidential candidates' claims that 'staying at home and sleep all day long' are his officical assignments for now while trying to shake off allegations of corruption; another is rumored to be the biggest living looter of public treasury in the world: is it not clear that Nigeria as a nation has failed?
Seriously, I believe in nigerians as individuals for now and not in Nigeria has a nation!!

lewa:
Eton and Oxbridge educated and a scion of a popular Ile -ife family.he knows his onions.

@Lewa,
I totally disagree with you here. I, on the other hand, do not expect the much desired change in the aviation sector with Fani-Kayode in charge. The above quotation does not reflect his capabilities but rather how he got to be a special adviser / minister in the first place: his surname. This is one very immature, garulous individual with more mouth than sense; I will rather look at his 'history' in administration of OBJ to project what his likely performance would be.
A hot-headed, uncouth youth-like man with an 'attack-dog' mentality is not what the aviation sector need; but a level headed professional who understands the power-play in the ministry and can set a goal and achieve it. Can somebody kindly tell us what has been Fani-Kayode's achievement or experience in public administration other than blind loyalty to 'Mr President'. That does not make a good manager, in fact I expect more 'wahala' between him and aviation sector stakeholders.
Anyway, he already has a ready excuse for not achieving anything: "We did not have enough time to implement the changes" because he will be gone in May 2007.

@Didoflex,
About your articles, I have not much to say. Let everyman guard his faith jealously. My life, my faith, my mission, my God. Whatever Past. Ashimolowo is doing is between him and his God. The writers can write their opinion, but they should not be blind to what that particular church is doing around Hackney, one of the poorest boroughs in London - ministering to the homeless, supporting drug addicts, supporting orphans, grooming troubled teens etc. If the church is growing, praise be to God for them. Though I am not a member of the church, but they are part of the household of God.
RCCG is going to build our permanent site in the US, all glory to God, before you cry foul, why not find out about the African Mission arm of RCCG and see what is being done by that arm of the church. Why not worry about yourself and leave the churches, are the members complaining to you? Is there any law being broken because the church is growing and ministering to more and more. Some peoples want to build the largest mosque in Europe in East London, I have not read of any body writing and screaming.
Guard you own faith, my friend.

@chichimma,
I humbly suggest you take a little trip up the forum and read from up-down to get a better view of the trend of discussion shere. We were discussing before fidodido came in with some insinuations about Christianity and Jesus etc. What I did was simply to counter his claim, rubbish his insinuations and personally analyse him without generalisation. Now, don't make this about not willing to engage in dialogue on theology. If he wanted to engaged in discussion on theology, he would have done so.
I have every right to defend my faith and belief, just like everybody else. If we want discussions, cools let's discuss without insinuations.

Dear All,
Below is the tape transcript of the exchange between the Abuja airport control tower and captain Atanda of ADC flight that crashed on 29th October copied from Guardian newspaper. It appears the guy was actually cleared for take-off by the control tower despite another pilot (Virgin) warning both control tower and the pilot.
If my understanding is right, not only should Aborishade be sacked, the family of late Atanda should sue him. Kindly spend few minutes to go through the transcript.
Link to the same news item: http://odili.net/news/source/2006/nov/1/22.html


Time Station Transmission Explanation Notes

10:14:30 A/C ABUJA ADK 053 request start-up -

- Twr ADK 053 roger UNH 1011, temperature 30 time 1015,
start-up approved

- A/C Start-up approved, could you say again the UNH and temperature?

- Twr 1011,30

10:14:45 A/C Thank you sir!

- Twr ADL 053 Abuja Tower

- A/C Go Ahead

- Twr Confirm destination is Jos?

- A/C Sokoto!

10:15:00 Twr Roger

10:21:08 A/C Abuja ADK 06, ADK 053 request taxi?

- Twr ADK 053 cleared taxi holding position runway 22

A/C Holding position runway 22 ADK 053

10:22:22 A/C Abuja ADK 06, ADK 053 wind check?

- Twr The wind 210/08 variable at 8KTS - A/C Roger

10:22:35 Twr Wind South-Westerly now at 15KTS

- A/C Copied

10:22:47 Twr ADK 053 cleared Abuja – Sokoto in the UV224 to climb

and maintain flight level 260

10:22:59 A/C Roger ADK 053 cleared Abuja/Sokoto as filed level 260,

104-6 and endurance of 3 hrs 40 minutes

- Twr Say again souls on board?

10:23:18 A/C 104-6

- Twr Copied report-ready

- A/C *Pilot clicked microphone twice to acknowledge*

10:24:10 Twr Wind Southerly at 35KTS (This is an unsolicited wind Report, indicating Tower's concern)

- A/C Roger (Crew offered no comment)

10:24:32 Twr TWD 2401 cleared taxi ruy 22 roger -

10:24:38 Twr And the wind is southerly at 28KTS (This is the 2nd unsolicited wind report)

- A/C Southerly okay

10:25:04 Twr Affirmative 28KTS (And a 3rd unsolicited wind report, expressing concern)

-A/C Okay sir, we’ll call you in a minute sir

-Twr That’s gusty wind sir! (This is a direct warning of poten- tial danger)

-A/C Yes Sir

10:25:40- A/C: Abuja ADK 053 is ready for take-off

-Twr ADK 053 the wind is south westerly at 5KTS

10:25:48 A/C: Southwesterly at 15KTS cleared take-off ADK 053 confirm Sir?

Twr: Negative, confirmed you are ready for depature now? (This request for confirmation is unsual and represents a further naming)

10:25:58 A/C Immediate, Ready Immediate

10:26:03 Twr: Rogers ADK 053 in position cleared take off runaway  (He was cleared to take off, right?!!!)

22 departs right on course the wind is 210 at 15KTS

A/C; Cleared take off ruly 22 departure hightrn wind copied ADK (053)

A/C Tower VGN 042

10:27:04 Twr VGN 042 Go ahead (this is tower to virgin, I think)

A/C Please do you have, can you kindly give us the wind speed and direction?

Twr: Wind speed indicated in the towers southerly at 15KTS

A/C: It looks more like 35KTS to me (This is Virgin Nigeria's attempt to draw ADK crews attention to the dangerous nature of the wind)

A/C That is the tower indication, 15KTS now reducing to 12KTS A/C Okay standby, we'll wait for an improvement in the weather (This is Virgin Nigeria demon strating the proper judgement and airmanship)

10:27:30 Twr: Copied

10:27:40 Twr ADK 053 airborne at 1029 contact approach 119-8 (These timings reflect a slight dis crepancy between the operational block and the time injection on the ATC voice recorder)

10:28:30 A/C on ground ADK 053 Abuja is calling you

Twr: ADK 053 Abuja Tower?

A/C on ground May be it is the weather

10:28:40 Twr He saw the weather before calling for take off (But they cleared him for take off!!!)

10:29:44 A/C on ground I don’t think it is a big problem, maybe he is just battling with the turbulence

10:30:30 Twr ADK 053 Abuja tower

10:31:38 Twr ADK can you read Abuja

10:31:55 Twr ADK 053 Abuja Tower, how do you read?

10:32:51 Twr ADK 053 Abuja Tower, how do you read?

@Fidodido,
Now you sound more confused. I am not the fanatic here, but a christian who holds to the fundamental tenets of my faith. I replied you because I will defend my faith any time, not fight for it. ( I leave that to God himself) You on the other hand do not know what you are doing or or what you believe in and that is horribly worse off.
You dont worry about how I live my life or how I practice my faith or the number of churches on your street, at least they have permition from relevant authorities before siting their churches; why not remove the log of ignorance blinding you before you try to blow at the speck in my eye.
I said you do not know what you are doing yet, and you've confirmed it again. "You are not a christian but read the bible, you were a muslim yesterday, today you are not a practising muslim, you are interested in understanding Buddism and Sikhism only to aqcuire knowledge". This is a more horrible position; jack of all faiths, ignorant in all.
In fact an atheist is in a much better position to receive understanding and salvation than somebody prostituting all around. I am just advising you, take a stand of faith today or not.
And stop talking about what you do not know, but in all things seek and get understanding. Remember, Jesus/God loves you very much.

@smile4ken,
I was about to move on to another post when I noticed you are a guy(?). It's either you are insecure, or you are just plainly vain, or you are probably still "in the closet" having secret 'down-lows'.
Real 'O.G' guys of any tribe - I mean self-confident, secure, heterosexual playas who keep it real  - we don't talk about which guys are handsome, caring, nice etc,,,,,,yuck!!! . We simply do our thingy because looks dont matter; we keep the family happy, do our jobs well, help kids on the street etc, rather than hang around nairaland comparing 'sizes'. 
Better come out of the 'closet', bro.

@Didoflex,
I would'nt have bothered to reply your "open-minded" confused post if not for the fact that I need to point out to you some errors in your position.

Yes God did not invent religion; christianity is not a religion, it is the discipleship of christ Jesus who is God, christianity is a kingdom: the kingdom of God in the heart and mind of men with it's riches spiritual, and it's nature not of the world. It is faith in Jesus christ the messiah, his substitionary atonement, his deity,his resurrection, ascension & glorification, and his promised return. You asked that 'Did Christ ask, become a christian and heaven is yours? Yes Jesus said so; he said "I am the way, the truth and life, no man sees the Father except through the Son" He also said "verily, verily I say unto you, except you become born again (i.e become tuned or receptive of his kigndom) you can not see the kingdom of God". Although many of us were born 'christians', we later became born again by accepting Jesus as our lord and saviour when we understood the truth.
Why am I replying you?, because I see how confused you are, you have 2 bibles and quran and yet don't know anything from both going from your write-up, and you are also fraternising with Buddism and Sikhism etc. You are 'neither hot nor cold', what are you? Dont stay in the middle of the road because you will get run over. I can see you are a 'liberal', liberalism is indeed not true freedom; true freedom is to become tuned to the character of the living God

About your ridiculous claims about christianity and paganism, those internet resources are the futile claims of Gnostics (decscendants of the early pagans in the 1st century), it does not hold water. Rather you need to read about Islam and hadiths about your prohpet --Muhammed. We now know he is not a man of good moral character but a violent, blood sucking monster, and a vicious peadophile who makes different set of rules for himsef and his followers. We now know Allah is not 'the living God' but 'a god of compromise' of muhammed and the pagans of Makkah; - a moon good called al-illah with 2 daughter gods, and the makkah was/is the site of idol worship. We now know that praying five times a day, facing the east or sun to pray, pilgrimage to makkah etc, were the practice of the Arabian pagans incorporated into Islam as practiced today, we now know that muhammed himself thought (I say correctly) that he was 'demon possessed' when he started his hallucinations to write the Quran. So you see, not only are you confused but also uninformed. I am not surprised at your attractions to Buddism and Sikhism, had it been that you know the Living God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, such works of darkness wont be attractive to you, but since you follow a dead diety of darkness propagated by a false prophet, it is logical for such darkness to be attractive to you.

@Josboy4lif/Belloti et al;
Somehow and unfortunately, this thread seems to have digressed from Yerima's incapability to lead Nigeria to a North vs South issues. This is not true and not productive. As my newly found friend Belloti suggested, can we please go back to Yerima's issue? But not before I reply some of Josboy4lif statement.

@Josboy,
Were you tired when typing your last post, because I had some difficulty understanding what you were saying compared to our former discussions. So rest and come back. Anyway, let me try.

Quote from Josboy: You are right those oil resources are the golden egg of Nigeria. Your point? We will remain as one, therefore we will distribute wealth. If your leaders are just or even more corrupt that Northern leaders and no one sees the money from the oil wealth. When more infrastructure is being built in Kaduna then LAgos that is not the fault of the North.

You got that totally wrong, the oil resources are Not the golden egg of Nigeria but of the oil-producing regions ideally, so wealth will need to be re-ditributed accordingly. For your information, I am a Yoruba and not from south-south but I lived and worked in the Bayelsa years ago (heart of Ijaw nation) and I saw people living in abject poverty with my own eyes, I could not believe it despite being the source of our wealth. If more infrastructure is being built in Kano/Kaduna than Lagos (although that is not true!!) it is simply because some 'people' falsely doctored their population figures to the extent that Nigeria is the only demographic aberrant in the world with more people in the sahel/savanah compared to the densely populated coastal region, resulting in Kano/Kaduna receiving more federal allocation that Lagos (imagine!!)

Quote from Josboy: and your boys are forced to do armed robbery and 419  it is the fault of the North
When you don't understand that cities such as Lagos and PH are @ an advantage due to the ports, yet people would rather ship things through Ghana due to the lack of corruption at there ports you blame the North.

Yes, people will rather ship things through Ghana than Lagos port because of the corruption of Nigeria customs. Now Josboy, since independence, who has been in charge of Nigeria customs----> the Northern elite, in fact the head of customs was part and parcel of the dictate of the Sokoto caliphate until maybe 80's. Go through the heads of the customs and see. Atiku, one the leading thiefs in Nigeria, was a top customs officer before retiring. So who do you blame?

Yes ,we all need to work together to move Nigeria forward, that is we need to address our federal structure to relfect true federalism. Nigeria must NOT break up, we simply need to reduce power at the centre and mor powers to the regions. We will still beneft from our large population for attracting foreign investments etc ut at least different regions will determine what is relevant to them. Many stupid policies have been implemeted in Nigeria as a whole, with lot of money wasted, simply to address the interest of a section. That is not fair and will not happen in a true federalism.

@Belloti,
my friend, don't take this has a 'verdict' on the North, in fact majority of northern massess are living far worse than their equivalent in the south, because only a clique determined to perpetuate the feudal oligarchy in Nigeria, are responsible for the calamity of the north and Nigeria as a whole, with active collaboration by some southerners (e.g Abiola, yes!!) I know you are a sincere guy; peope like you need to join us and confront, rather than support, indolents like Sani Yerima, Atiku, IBB, Orji Kalu etc. Until we "decentralise" by God's grace, Belloti, present a tested and proven or better candidate from the North and you will see how we will appraise and support the person. Somebody like el-Rufai has shown some success in administering Abuja, and I will personally support and campaing for him rather than Prof Pat Utomi. Why? I personally believe he is better, more experienced in administration, has shown what he can do in public position and Abuja is in a more sensible position today because of his dogedness. Utomi on the other hand has never held any public position; he might have "overwhelming academic credentials" but he has no experience in public leadership. Leadership is not what you teach in classroom, it is what you do in a postion of authrority and it comes only with experience, Utomi has virtually none, he will be better for now has a Minister or member of house of reps, or state commissioner but not as President. A lot of peoples supported Abiola in the annulled election simpy because he was relatively better than the available "alternathief", Alhaji Tofa, who does not even know the price of a litre of petrol during the presidential election debate, remember? Both Abiola and Tofa were a deplorable choice of candidates to lead a nation, however that is our nation and nothing seems to have changed now. Dont get me wrong, I am just giving a principle here and not endorsing el-Rufai if you understand what I mean.

@Josboy4lif,
Believe me sincerely, Nigeria will not break up but we WILL reorganise that nation. You either dont get it or you deliberately dont want to. We are not supposed to be together as ONE nation, we are indeed an 'amalgation' because we are 'together and yet still separate' in everything. We cannot move forward until we address out federal structure and more and more people are already seeing the need for that.
This has little to do with military, we will still have one military for Nigeria but regional administrative gorvernments.
So who should lay claim to the oil in the south? if not the states where the oil is dicovered?
Dont get me wrong, I am not blaiming the north for anything just tracing the root of some problems in Nigeria. We do not share a lot in common my friend we should not deceive ourselves with the false rethorics. Neither can we rid ourselves of our ideology because that is what defines us. That is why we need to understand our relationship and define it.

@Babyosisi and Orikinla,
I feel you my brother and sister. We dont have another place to call home o! It pains when we see the wasted resources and the looting and inefficiencies going on at home, more so it pains when you hear how Nigeria is described outside Nigeria. But as somebody once said, 'all the present problems are a "fact" about Nigeria, they are NOT the "truth" about Nigeria'. The truth is that we will rise above all and move forward.
As I tell my kids and a lot of my friends who are "citizens", you can be a British or American citizen but you will never be a British or American. So know who you are and identify with your roots because at every opportunity now, you need to identify your origin here.
We will continue to pray for our country and work to make it a better place, because faith without works is dead.

@Babyosisi et JosBoy4lif
Interesting exchange between you two. If I may come in please; Josboy, yes we need to hold hand in other to move Nigeria forward, we've been doing that for the past 40 something years and it has resulted in this mess called Nigeria because we keep dragging each other backward because "our hands are together". Every section of the country has had it's own contribution to the state of Nigeria, but some regions much more than the other.
The southern girls who you claim are into prostitution in the north would not have been there if Gowon has had the intelligence to put Nigeria on the part to greatness with our new oil wealth of the 70's.
Shagari, Babangida and Abacha institutionalized corruption in Nigeria, to such an extent that the corrupt thieves are the ones rewarded with political appointments and chieftancy titles; while the hard-working educated geek is the man nobody wants as an in-law , what do you think that has done to the mindset of young Nigerians? Answer: Corruption pays!!!, since a lot can't get jobs despite education because of 'Quota system', they either travel out or become yahoo boys as you claim. By the way internet scam is common in the south while northerners carry out more juicy, less risky LPO contract scams in Abuja, becoming overnight millionaires with Honda cars as favourites.
Why are Niger Delta youths on rampage,? they live in abject poverty while oil money is used to build Abuja and other parts of the country.
The way forward is that we do not have to "hold hands together tightly"; let's revert to true federalism with regional government and regional resource control. We can still remain one Nigeria and get the benefit of our large population but let the different regions determine their destiny. So if Belloti and co want Yerima or Babangida to be the Premier of the Northern Nigeria--all well and good, best of luck. Those of us in the South-west who want Fayose or Tafa Balogun to lead us will compete with those of us who will not allow them; While Babyosisi and co will determine whether Orji Kalu or Alamieseigha can lead the South East. You see different regions will be able to determine how they want to move on rather than draw each other back. What I am drawing out is that Africa from inception has largely been administered on tribal grounds before 'oyinbo' came with democracy, we now need to fashion that democracy to suit our idiosyncracies in Nigeria. Forcefully coexisting without addressing that issue honestly will kepp us backwards which is what the 'oyinbos' want. We have near-homogenous regional geo-political zones thatcan be the seats of regional government and we can then establish inter-regional economic, social etc cooperation as necessary. In short, let's have a weak centre and strongs regions, it will drive corruption out.

Quote from Orikinla: If nodding to them would appease them, let me nod and let us move on

@Orikinla,
God bless you; this is my "word" for today, brother!!. Thank you

Belloti, Belloti, Belloti, my dear friend and brother;
Jokes apart, I am respecting you more and more everytime I read your post on this Yerima issue. Respecting you because I am beginning to understand how "faithful and honest" you will be to anybody as an aide, even to the point of dogma; but nevertheless still strongly opposed to your choice of Yerima. Seriously!!
Now to the issues you raised:

Quote from Belloti; Havila, this is what happenned in zamfara. When Yarima started campaigning in 1998, the biggest heavy weight in zamfara politics were in PDP, but he chooses to go for a little unknow ANPP. PDP loaded with money were certain to clinch the seat with a landslide victory when yarima changed his slogan to introduce religious cliche that has always prove to be a soft spot in northern nigeria. He promised to rule the state with the devine laws if elected, he basically transformed himself from a yuppish suave run of the mill guy to a very religious minded polician. He swept the votes against the likes of Gen. Gusau, 3 ex ministers and several ex- ambassadors. When he got to power, the voters sprang up asking him to fulfill his pledge. He was careful enough to constitute a committe headed by the most famous legal luminary from zamfara, Alhaji Usman Dangoggo Bungudu to go round the state and come up with the real mood of the masses. They submitted their report with strong recommendation for a sharia law in a state with 99% muslim population. He passed on the report to to the state Assembly where they voted 100% in support of the Law. If you were Yarima, i don't know what you could have done next.

Response: Regarding your position above: From your informative write-up above, I believe that even you can attest to the fact that Yerima delibrately, smartly but wickedly played 'politics' with the collective intellect of the Zamfara citizens or rather zamfara 'ummahs' with the promise and introduction of Sharia for one reason only; SIMPLY TO WIN!! and not becase he was or is 'a religious minded politician'. "Religion is the opium of the massess" is a common saying. We now know better that he is neither pious or honest, with the EFCC indictment; squandering of millions of naira on construction of "islamic hotel"(an over-infalted contract); in fact you Belloti even stated that "he has not done well, he did what the other state governors too did" (paraphrased). If so, why the bloody hell did he introduce a law that's supposed to promote righteouness in governing and living? In so doing selfishly, almost destabilising the whole nation that he wants to rule now!(God forbid).

(2) Quote from Belloti: As Nigerians, we seem to be expecting too much from the sinners like us who we elected or got themselves in power. those guys are not saints or angels. we don't have them in nigeria now. we can only hope that probably at some stage in our lifetime we begin to apply a winning formular that may have some semblance of success. If you think Duke its better i assure you guys that soon after taking over we shall see a lot of outcry from some of us that thought he was a messiah. Yarima is not the best candidate but he is a good candidate. That was my point from onset.

Response: Now Belloti, this is a statement from somebody who has given up on hope and 'change'. Have you given up on Nigeria,?so that we should stop bothering ourselves on who becomes the leader, even if such person has the mentality of a goat? God forbid, the only constant thing in life is CHANGE. Change only comes when people believe in it and work toward it by refusing to do or keep "things as usual for now", which is what you are suggesting. If we can't expect too much from our supposed leaders, what is the purpose of them leading us?, we can as well hand over the affair of our nation back to the British because wecant find leaders. Belloti, develop hope in Nigeria and work with that hope toward making a change by honestly looking at people pr politicians. A people with no hope should not be alive. Our hope is in a change for Nigeria, but we will not just "hope for success" but work with that hope by making right and truthful decisions. We don't want just 'good candidate', we want the cnadidate that will move the nation forward, definitely that cannot be a 'good' candidate (sounds like settling for a mediocre) but the bravest and the best. I don't know what "overwhelming academic credentials" Yerima has (is it more that the MSc in Economics?) and so what?
Belloti, I have three degrees; one from Nigeria and two from a topmost university in Europe, does that qualify for overwhelming academic credentials?, does it make me a good leader? Definitely NOT!!!, it is what I am able to do with my academic credentials to the benefit of people, that will make me a good leader. So far, Yerima has failed his state and Nigeria with his pseudo-pious religious demure; and his "overwhelming academic credentials" has been utterly useless when tested in the school of leadership. Just like a lot of his co-State "thief-executives".
Over to you, my friend.