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You're really lost. To compare the words of a claimed supreme being to Newton''s words and say it's a kind of analogy is the most ignorant thing to do. When you make an analogy, the premises must be equal. Was Newton a supreme being?
Did Newton lived on earth? Did people see Newton? Do we have his picture? Newton checks all the boxes,but does your supreme being check all the boxes?

How is that nonsense an analogy?

If your father in heaven cannot work through logic, then he is bullshit. This world is a logical world, and your father in heaven can't operate in it.

What makes all other gods different from yours? Lol very funny.

elated177:
Delusions? Ludicrous! Delusions do not know the road to the minds of the saints. The Spirit teaches the saints what they need to know.

Why?

Jer 33:3 Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.

Jer 6:16; Isa 30:21and many others.

Now about philosophy and logic explaining everything,according to you.

Please, use your philosophy or logic to explain this:

A man wakes up in the morning, looks at a tree about 100ft away and says in his heart he wants the branches of the tree to move. He raises his hand, sways to left and the branches of the tree sway to the left. He sways to the right and the branches did the same. He stops and brings down his hand and the tree branches stop swaying.

Mr logic and philosophy, explain.

This spirit you talk about, can you prove it's existence empirically? All these balderdash you're spilling everywhere won't get us anywhere. God has never told anyone the things they don't know. God cannot teach you mathematics for example. God cannot teach you economics or anything for that matter.

Just prove the existence of God or the spirit of the saint you're talking about.


Please can you demonstrate where someone was waving his hands and the branches were moving? Or are you trying to say that useless trick is what the power of God can do?

TruthinAction:
You don't get it. He didn't create hell for you. He created it for the devil. And Adam sold his right to rule to Satan so man became automatically under the dominion of Satan. Satan has no redemption and he has the legal right to take all under his dominion to hell. But Jesus came and rescued us. Only those who refuse to accept the pardon will remain doomed. They have chosen to remain under the dominion of Satan. It is actually demons that torment lost souls in hell. And once you are there, you are condemned for eternity. So, the choice is yours. Accept Jesus and free yourself from Satan's dominion. And he will not have power over your soul.

Bullshit, throw it out the window.

Originakalokalo:
*smiles

Nobody is leaving his Bible for your "logic"

It won't work.

*smiles

Then hold on to it and remain blind. Goodbye

Akin1212:
Check this out with your brain only!!!

Jesus was born in the first century and died in the first century. 4 BC - 30 AD. The purpose of his birth and death was to bring salvation to human beings. And through him only would you see or know God because he is your saviour. So if you die without knowing him, you're going to hell.

Now, in the first century, the means of transportation was basically horses and donkeys and posting messages would take days by crows. To send messages through a 20 mile distance might take days.

Jesus lived for 33yrs, started disclosing his identity as God or God's son when he was 30yrs. He was a carpenter until 30yrs. According to a particular source, Jesus went to India but that's not important.

What's important is this, when Jesus was doing exploits in Israel, there were other humans scattered around the world who didn't even have a clue that anyone called Jesus exists. Places like Ethiopia, Egypt, the region of India, the region of America etc.
Jesus didn't have the luxury to broadcast himself through TV adverts or radio adverts, no social media and so 90% of the world didn't even know he was in Israel at all. How come? Lol

Between the claimed ascension of Jesus and the time the missionaries started distributing the message many people lived and died and didn't hear that someone paid a salvation sacrifice for their lives. For example, missionaries didnt reach Nigeria until the 18th century. Those people who died between the second century and 17th century, where are they now? Heaven or Hell? Or does God have preferences for them?

It takes stupidity to have a religion.

Please who is answering this, where are they? Or does God have preferences for them?

Originakalokalo:
You see the trick?
Most times the logic they talk about eludes them.

Someone who asks you to leave your Bible out of a discussion is trying to take away your faith...

Its all tricks from the hottest part of a burning hell...

This guy is not the enemy here...

The unseen enemy works through him....

That's the devil.

You're a stark illiterate. I thought you said bye, why are you still quoting me?

aadoiza:
You're right.
But take for example: how do I prove to a Christian prophet Muhammad SAW wasn't a charlatan, using the holy Quran? If you understood my question you'd see what I'm driving at.

So you're saying truth is what individuals accept it to be?

That's not true.

elated177:
Trash?

What is trash? What part, exactly, of what I wrote is trash?

Just say that you found it difficult to understand the message you have read above.

I should jus say what you assume? Lol that's hilarious.

elated177:
It appears you have forgotten how, why and when Newton and physics factored into this discussion? If so, I suggest you go a back and check.

Why wouldn't he? It has been made clear that humans are vessels. Free will.

On the contrary, you seem to have forgotten that you're trying to compare a spiritual being that has never been seen to Isaac Newton a man who lived on this earth.

It has been made clear by who, by what experiment that humans are vessels? Give me papers or peer reviews that validate this. And the experiment must be practicable. We should be able to redemonstrate it here in Nigeria.

Book of lies? Smh...

elated177:
There you go again! Who taught you the practicals? The physicists like Newton, Faraday, themselves? In person? Were the "founders" of those laws and principles you tried to prove in the laboratory there with you physically? What about the practical manual? Did Isaac Newton or Michael Faraday or even Albert Einstein dictate to you the steps you too while conducting the practicals? I guess it was in ink and paper...printed?

Do you actually think you're using logic by comparing the founders or discoverer of physical laws with a claimed supernatural being? This is an apology. Can't you see that the examples are out of place. The logic you should be using should involve other claimed gods like Nimrod, Horus, Zeus etc not Isaac Newton.

Isaac Newton demonstrated with empirical evidence his laws and people have demonstrated it over and over again. I demonstrated it too in the lab. These are not claims these are facts. The claim that a supernatural being created the world is a claim. You cannot demonstrate it. Just think a little deeper please.

elated177:
Logic? Philosophy and logic? Smh! Do you actually think or believe philosophy or logic can explain everything?
Yes or no?

Yes, perfectly yes. Except when it comes to delusions like the one you have.

Originakalokalo:
You see the trick?
Most times the logic they talk about eludes them.

Someone who asks you to leave your Bible out of a discussion is trying to take away your faith...

Its all tricks from the hottest part of a burning hell...

This guy is not the enemy here...

The unseen enemy works through him....

That's the devil.

If I don't ask you to put away your blindness how would you see?

Don't you have a single iota of common sense?

You want see with your eyes blind? How?

Can you explain?

If your belief is strong it shouldn't shake when you face reality.

elated177:
The other physicist still would have used the same method to transmit his knowledge to the next generation --- ink and paper.

Or are you saying that everything you know about physics, you heard it directly from the mouth of the physicists themselves?

The Creator of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them, uses his creatures - the human beings - as vessels to disseminate his message.

Take for example, he can send help through one of his servants to another of his servant who is in need of that particular help. He does not have to do so literarily ... that is throw the help down from heaven.

Salvation is from the Jews. That is the Father's wish. No one can question him in that regard. From the Jews the message spread to all parts of the world.

Why do you think our ancestors worshipped all sorts of things, including mountain ---though some people still do? It is because it is not in man to lead himself spiritually. The soul of man yearns for its maker. Even the evil spirits know this. This yearning can be satisfied correctly and wrongly. When the spirit which Creator has placed in man satisfies that yearning by instructing the soul, the soul loves, accepts and obeys the word of its Maker. Remember, the spirit in man is quickened by the Spirit of the Creator. The Spirit of the Father in heaven depends on the Word of the Father the action.

So, our ancestors worshiped created things such as wood, stone, sun, moon, etc, because they were "disconnected" from the their Maker spiritually ---they were spiritually dead. However, they knew there was someone or something outside themselves --- a higher power or being - that required worship or glory for the life they had and the crops the planted and harvested. But they didn't know what to offer or how to reach that being. Satan and the demons were too pleased to oblige them and misled them into idolatry and satanism. Their souls were controlled by evil spirits. Let me leave it at this point for now. Check Act 17:22-31.

Read:

Deut 5:22.

Luke 16:27-31.

The Father in heaven - the Creator of the ends of the earth - wrote the Ten Commandments on two stone tablets with his own finger and gave them to Moses.

Do you obey the Ten Commandments? Do you even believe they are his commandments. You don't even believe he exists.

It wouldn't have made any difference to you, if he had written everything with his own fingers and thrown them down in front of you.

You see, it is like a message he gave me recently about the control of a person's soul. I will post it after this reply.

This is complete trash.

Why are you even comparing Newton and physicists to your creator or whatever you call it?

Why will God send anyone at all? He didn't know people would doubt others?

Stop quoting that book of lies you call the bible here please. Use real logic.

Everything I learnt in physics was demonstrated in the laboratory not from books.

frank317:
Lol...

Na so

Check this out with your brain only!!!

Jesus was born in the first century and died in the first century. 4 BC - 30 AD. The purpose of his birth and death was to bring salvation to human beings. And through him only would you see or know God because he is your saviour. So if you die without knowing him, you're going to hell.

Now, in the first century, the means of transportation was basically horses and donkeys and posting messages would take days by crows. To send messages through a 20 mile distance might take days.

Jesus lived for 33yrs, started disclosing his identity as God or God's son when he was 30yrs. He was a carpenter until 30yrs. According to a particular source, Jesus went to India but that's not important.

What's important is this, when Jesus was doing exploits in Israel, there were other humans scattered around the world who didn't even have a clue that anyone called Jesus exists. Places like Ethiopia, Egypt, the region of India, the region of America etc.
Jesus didn't have the luxury to broadcast himself through TV adverts or radio adverts, no social media and so 90% of the world didn't even know he was in Israel at all. How come? Lol

Between the claimed ascension of Jesus and the time the missionaries started distributing the message many people lived and died and didn't hear that someone paid a salvation sacrifice for their lives. For example, missionaries didnt reach Nigeria until the 18th century. Those people who died between the second century and 17th century, where are they now? Heaven or Hell? Or does God have preferences for them?

It takes stupidity to have a religion.

aadoiza:
You're stooping so low giving invectives. Another disappointment from a supposedly well-enlightened atheist.

Some things are indemonstrable and non-descript; and can not be qualified or quantified.(Axiom: a self-evident truth.)

You lot can enjoy your illusory mental freedom, for now, till realities come crashing and bring you down to earth. After all experience, they say, is the best teacher.

Have a nice weekend, reed.

Lol, the use of grammar doesn't validate that you speak the truth. Reality is demonstrable always. That is why it is called REALITY.
However, if you have your own subjective perception of that which is real, mention it here let's see.

Originakalokalo:
OK. I think we have reached a conclusion.

He sent me, you said he should come himself.

You now see that we are done here?

Peace.

He only sent you because he does not exist. Lol

So you're just trying to push your belief to me which I don't want pushed. I need it proved instead.

Originakalokalo:
You call it running.....after I have preached salvation to you?

What I am I supposed to be doing with exactly?

After I have preached to you and you have rejected it...

Should I stay and be insulting you or fighting you?

Well...

If you call it running,

It is running.

Why are you preaching salvation to me?

Why don't you instead demonstrate to me that God or his son Jesus exist. I need empirical proof of their existence not their salvation.

Let Jesus or his father bring the salvation themselves, I don't want them to send it through you.

Originakalokalo:
Ignorant questions.

Answer them intelligently please.

God does not want evil, however, he created the evil.


God who created evil is now struggling to get rid of the evil, so that only good will remain.

However, again, it's only the presence of this evil that will show that God is almighty.

The question is does God want to remain almighty or not.


The idea is warped up in your head and you don't even realize how silly it is. Keep your folly up bro.

You're really intelligent brother

Originakalokalo:
I believe all your questions have been answered.

Peace.

You haven't answered anything. It's cool to want to run from reality. Keep running.

Originakalokalo:
Before he reveal himself to you in his glory, strength and power,

You must go to him in faith first.
.and accept his sacrifice for you on the cross..

And let him direct your life in holiness and purity...

If you don't want to do this,

Then leave my Jesus alone for me and others...

No be by force.
#smile

What's the purpose of his power and strength if he can't change my mind without me first begging him to.

Are you saying Jesus cannot prove that he exists beyond reasonable doubts? Lol I never knew there were things he couldn't do. Lol

Originakalokalo:
Ignorance.

If God did not create evil.... and he created only good...

How is he then the Almighty?

How will he claim to have all the power and might as in ALMIGHTY If a power operates outside him?

I say again. ..ignorance.

It seems you don't know the meaning of ignorance.

Let's break it down for your sake.

Did or does God want evil to be in this world now and before?

If the answer to the above is No, then why did he create evil that he does not want to exist? It seems your God is confused and you are very ignorant of that.

If God didn't create evil, evil would not have existed in the first place because everything that exist was claimed to be created by this God.

If I don't want something to exist, I won't create it.

Why is God now trying to destroy evil?

You see, from your first comment I read here,I was able to detect the level of your ignorance. How you could summon the courage to say another person is ignorant is very amusing.

Originakalokalo:
It is obvious he is not for you....

Accept him if he is for you....

Leave me alone with him if you don't want...

Na by force?

Yes I agree, he is for only you that's why he gave only you the experience and left others out.

Why do I need to accept someone you are pushing to me. If Jesus want me to accept him, he should come na.

elated177:
He, the Creator, gave his words to men and they wrote them down.

How else do you suppose he should have done it?

Isaac Newton was a man quite alright. If his laws were not written down, how else would we have known then?

He the creator? What do you mean by this. Do you have any testable evidence that he the creator gave his words to men or you were told that was what happened? Do you even have any evidence that he is the creator at all or you were also told that?

This is how else I suppose he should have done. If he the creator according to your claims wants everyone to know about him, he should approach everyone and tell them individually the same thing.

But he the creator went to asia and told the men in Asia to go and tell everyone. Wtf, didn't he the creator know that he had scattered people into races and one race will not believe or understand the other?

I guess he the creator is a cofused creator tbh.

On Newton, he was a man and the way men pass information is to write it down or tell others. Perhaps the information written down about he the creator was also formed by man. And if Newton had not proposed the laws or write them down. Another person would have.

OkaiCorne:
Doing great bro! Thanks for checking.

How time flies...

You're welcome bro, is your ideology of the eternal creator still strong or have you realized the beauty of the universe over the course of the year?

elated177:
To every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Newton's third law of motion. Printed in ink in various physics textbooks and sold at various prices.

Newton was a man not a god. So I'd expect his words to be printed boldly in ink in physics textbooks. The same physics that has been helping man.

But when you talk of a spirit having words to speak and the words being printed in ink, lol that's fuckingg hilarious mhen.

You have to think again bro and leave newton out of it.

Originakalokalo:
Don't worry yourself about the scriptures.

A bible scholar who has been privileged to dissect God's word will know its worth.

I read, study, meditate and apply it daily in my life.

The secret of God written in plain words....and the devil has kept many away from it.
.
food is to a natural man as the word of God is to a child of God.

About seeing Jesus, its a personal issue...


Let's leave it at that.
.thanks.

Why won't I worry myself about the scriptures? Is it not your weapon? I was just surprised that the words of a spirit was printed magically in ink.

You mean a bible scholar who has read the Bible, I agree totally.

The Bible is the secret of God in plain words? Hell no, the bible seem more like the atrocities of God in plain words though. You know, when you consider the killings only God has commanded and did on his own alone.
Especially in Isaiah 45 vs 7 when he boldly declared that he was the one who created light and darkness, good and evil. God is really bold. Damn it!

I knew you were going to say seeing Jesus is personal, it's all good. It usually happens on a personal level anyways. Since it is not testable.

It seems Jesus is for you alone and not for everybody though.

sino:
This is the most pathetic attempt for an argument, I never claimed air is used for respiration, and my analogy is based on the fact that what we are made up of, can be found in earth! Just as what what is used for respiration can be found in air! How this is nebulous for someone claiming to be a biochemist is scandalous!

But I will entertain your folly a little further, please answer the following question

How does man get the oxygen for respiration?! Is it by oxygen tanks?! Do we all carry oxygen tanks about?!

Does air not contain oxygen?! And does air not contain other gases?!

When we breath, what do we take in?! Only oxygen?!

Now after answering the questions, tell me where in my analogy that I claimed air is used for respiration?

Now read carefully: Man respire using oxygen "from" air! Is this statement wrong?!

From your own source we read:
“Aerobic respiration

Glucose and oxygen react together in cells to produce carbon dioxide and water and releases energy. The reaction is called aerobic respiration because oxygen from the AIR is needed for it to work.”

The Qur'an states, Adam (AS) was created "from" earth

You do not need to be told that oxygen is PART of air, likewise, you need not be asking silly questions or make silly statements that the Qur'an should have stated part of earth and not from earth...

These are simple comprehension issues, you do not need to have studies the whole of principles of biochemistry before you can understand!

To all other vituperations above, they do not worth any form of response!

I seriously love to see you fail at every attempt to make this analogy valid.

I am done with showing you that your apology of an analogy is wrong.

For educational purposes. Air does not contain oxygen, air is only a term for many gases present in a place at a time. It is different from quantities and compounds such as water, salt etc.
Air does not have a quantity, it is not a compound. I have realized this need to be hammered into your head. The mixture of gases in the atmosphere that we call air are not bound together chemically. You really need to be taught chemistry.

When we breathe in air, we breathe oxygen. To avoid this kind of misinterpretation was why sometimes in biology and life sciences instead of saying we breathe in air and breathe our air, they'll rather say we breathe in oxygen and breathe out carbondioxide. For clarity purposes.

While I'm done with respiration,

We needed to be told that oxygen is one of the mixture of gases in the atmosphere, we needed to be taught and it was stated before we were taught respiration. It was stated clearly.

But since the Qur'an has decided to confuse the lots of you by not giving explicit definition and explanations, it is subject to misinterpretation's from self acclaimed intelligent beings like you who attempt to explain it to suit their narrative.

While I like schooling you on certain things, I am so done with this back and forth.

These are simple comprehension issues and your own comprehension seems to be the best, right?

Goodluck with deceiving gullible people with it.

But don't forget that the Qur'an is a trash book that is insufficient at all levels in explaining the existence of man.

You want to discuss a very important issue like the existence of man , you just don't say man was created from Earth and end it there. You have to go further to explain the process and the constituents used. A biochemistry text book would have done that. But behold, the Qur'an is the best book the world has ever seen.

Be advised, get a good grasp of the term 'analogy'. So you might present a good logic next time and not this apology.

Originakalokalo:
I have seen Christ and had experiences.

I am also regurgitating the content of the bible...

His word in the bible and practical experiences form the basis of my faith.

Wow, where did you see Jesus? Did he appear as a man, that's what I expect tho since you said it's practical. And the bible printed in ink and sold for an amount is Jesus''s words?

Plus I'm sure you're the only one who has seen Jesus in real life in Nigeria, am I correct?

Originakalokalo:
You plead for Christ's sake?

Okay.

Stay in your believe.

I stay in mine.
.Good enough for me.

Have you ever seen Jesus for once in your life?

Or as thought, you are only regurgitating the content of the Bible?

Julivas:
No bro, is not a waste. God us making out another Apostle Paul in you very soon. Come back to the light bro. Jesus still loves you.

If Jesus loves him or her, let him tell him or her himself. Why send you?

Rashduct4luv:
For your above claim to be valid, you need to answer the following questions:

what's your field of Specialistion?

At what degree go you operate? (1st, 2nd,...)

How many papers have you submitted?

In what Journal were your best research(es) published?

And was it accepted nationally and internationally?

If you pass the above test then you may certainly be scholastic enough to thrash "a Professor's years of research" otherwise you're just a jape!

Are these the requirements for being a scholar?

Rashduct4luv:
See biochemist thrashing the years of research of a Professor. Since you were against the Qur'an i was thinking you would believe your science scholars. Never knew you were not even scholastic sef!

Alright! I end my discussion with you!

What do you mean here? You're so prejudiced.

So because a professor made a wrong hypothesis, I cannot trash it? You think there's seniority when it comes to scientific findings? Lol

Since I was against the Qur'an? So I'm supposed to accept the words in the Qur'an which are lies and are against reality?

You expect me to believe science scholars?

You think I'm you who believe without honestly scrutinizing what you believe? So being scholastic is by believeing anything scholars present to you? Lwkmd

Goodbye , your level of prejudice is so mighty.

sino:
Lol, you trying to be smart by half, but I do understand your plight, by the way, I never claimed Merriam Webster is a scientific or biological dictionary, while I was clear on the use of general terms in my definition of respiration, but you know, since you are a biochemist, English seems to be very difficult for you to understand, the pathways seems to be inhibiting the level of your comprehension!

The laughable thing about you is that all these stories had already been captured in my simple analogy; I am only asking you for the source of oxygen for man’s respiration, and not what is needed and what is not! Do we breathe in air?! Is air the source of the oxygen for respiration?! Are there other gases in air?! Why it is that only oxygen is needed while we take in all the available gases?!

By the way, like the source of Adam (AS), the earth was used “WHOLLY”, so also man uses air “WHOLLY”….But what is NEEDED for creation, is what can be found in present day man, just as only oxygen is NEEDED for respiration!

Oya argue, mr biochemist!

PS: This is from the site you posted the above definition:

“Aerobic respiration

Glucose and oxygen react together in cells to produce carbon dioxide and water and releases energy. The reaction is called aerobic respiration because oxygen from the AIR is needed for it to work.”

There is no general term for respiration, that's a wrong definition from the dictionary. Respiration is what it is.

Lmao. So can man respire in the absence of air and the presence of only oxygen? I believe you will answer this.

I have answered many times that man uses oxygen from the atmosphere. Air is a mixture of gases, just a mixture. If one or two of the constituents disappear today and it remains oxygen and carbondioxide alone, it will cease to be air and respiration will continue.

Do you need me to break all these explanations down for you? Lol.

If oxygen only is available and air is not, we will still respire and live normally. This is not secondary school science. Learn.

Oxygen is the needed source of electron for respiration and science has claimed that.

But the claim of the Qur'an is that earth not part of earth was used for creation of man. In light of this, your analogy is a wreck.

I agree that you tried bringing an analogy, but you're only close. The analogy is wrong.

Air contains oxygen used for respiration, it was stated.
Oxygen is what we use for respiration, it was stated.

Earth was used to create man. It was stated
Part of the constituents of earth was used to create man. No it wasn't stated.

Is this not simple enough that the analogy can't work? Mr intelligent and ahead of the likes of us, I am terribly disappointed!

sino:
I apologize for misrepresenting your post, it was a honest mistake; I thought you were already thinking right, but alas!

I am certain I explicitly pointed out the correlation between earth and air, and what my arguments were. That you want to fault my analogy based on your own interpretation of 'facts' is absolutely ridiculous...

First and foremost, I never said we use air for respiration, when I proposed my analogy; I was specific about the use of oxygen and for what purpose!

Lol, you keep trying hard to defend this apology, it is a poor example. I wonder who's not thinking between me and you.

sino:
Secondly, my analogy is based on the source of what is being used, hence, earth and air should be in the same category, for both comprises of mixtures of different materials! Science acknowledges this facts!

Your analogy is based on what is being used and leaves out what is being quoted by the the Qur'an and science. I seriously think you deserve a Nobel Prize for this analogy for it's nebulousness.

I maintain that science has never claimed that air is used for respiration.
But the Qur'an has always claimed that Earth was used to make man.

sino:
Thirdly, Earth is used, so also air is used, and what is needed is embedded in these two sources!

Yes, earth is used to make man according to the Qur'an, but air is not used for respiration. At least science does not claim that.

This is my position and it is what makes your silly analogy faulty.

You have really tried to sway that into helping and promoting your narrative. Well done.

sino:
Lol, what else can you say except denials, but I am not here to tell you to believe in creation, I know you guys better than that, but you are here arguing about process of creation you know nothing about, but want to pontificate?!

You should first get a good grasp of what analogy is and how it is applied accordingly, that you do not believe in creation or it is a myth is absolutely insignificant to the discussion at hand. My analogy brings to fore what is known to you, to explain the possible similarities to what you clearly are ignorant of!

Thanks for not telling me to believe creation, it's very unbelievable so I'm not yielding. Why would we even need to believe truths and facts? You only believe something that is not a fact. I salute you for believing in creation. You're really intelligent sir


Just point to where the Qur'an said we use some of the constituents of earth to create man, just as your analogy points to one of the constituents of air being used for respiration. Only then will the analogy stand. Simple enough

sino:
Intelligence is not only about regurgitating things already explained by others but the ability to synthesize peculiar thoughts from what is known to understand the complex and the unknown…I deal with “thinking about thinking”, I am way ahead of the likes of you!

I know that part of intelligence is to believe things without facts, part of being intelligent is to assume or believe that a being which is a spirit exists and created man from Earth. Lol.

I also know that part of being intelligent is to provide a poor analogy and try to escape scrutiny and criticism of such analogy. I don't know the peculiar thoughts you have synthesized in this argument, I see how you think about thinking by repeating that as air is used for respiration, so was earth used for the creation of man is a valid representation of logic.

You sir, are one hell of an intelligent human being.

You are ahead of the likes of us, that's true only when your ignorance is considered.

sino:
Of course, respiration is respiration, even though there are different types, the fact that different organism can respire anaerobically; gives credence to my position and analogy. It is part of complexity of life, humans use oxygen out of the myriad of other possibilities available in air, likewise, plants for example, make use of carbon dioxide rather than oxygen...But again, we are talking about humans here![

Let me just laugh off your ignorance, you just proved that air is not what we use for respiration here. This approves my faulting of your analogy that you cannot place air in the same category with earth in an analogy when this argument is concerned.

But since you're a thinker of thinking, you know it all. Lmao.

sino:
Lol, does the earth not contain what we are made up of? Does air not contain oxygen for respiration? Does human respiration need other gases in air? Why do we have to breathe in the air wholly?

By the way, I never said a part of earth was used; perhaps you should take your own advice as you've posted above!

Let me quickly nullify your explanation which supports your narrative again.
The Qur'an said, man was created from Earth. Specifically and nothing more. No further explanation like we took part of earth to create man.

But science was explicit too and said, man need oxygen for respiration. But the only place man get the oxygen from is from the lungs and the lungs hat the oxygen from the atmosphere. The purpose of air to man is not specifically to produce oxygen, air has many purposes.

sino:
It is your logic that is failing you, the reason you can’t answer a simple question oga biochemist! Where do humans get oxygen for respiration from?!

You are terribly mistaken and ignorant of chemistry and biochemistry. Man gets oxygen from the atmosphere. Do you understand that?

Oxygen exists as molecules even in air, oxygen is not bound to anything. Maybe because they call it air and a mixture actually confuses you which I am surprised because you said you are ahead of the likes of us. Tell me now , do you think we need to separate oxygen from all other gases before we respire, you know like breaking some chemical bonds?

Air is not even a necessity for respiration. It has been demonstrated many times. Divers, swimmers etc.

Air is not a molecule or a compound, air does not have a quantity, it's just like mixing things together and the constituents are existing independently.

sino:
This is hilarious, school me on abiogenesis?! What is even your area of specialty in the field of biochemistry?!

Yes, absolutely. I will and can school you on abiogenesis if you don't mind.

sino:
And here it, that pride which is only expressed as a result of small, tiny knowledge you think you have...You have studied biochemistry to what level if I may ask? You don't know me, nor do you know my background, but can write that I haven't studied biochemistry?! As the saying goes, “na empty korodom dey make noise pass...”

Lol, what an irony. You speaking of pride is really an irony. Mr better than the likes of us, how dare you?

Whatever you have studied is your problem, if you had studied biochemistry even for a year, you wouldnt have made most of the statements you've made here.

sino:
The Qur'an is not Harpers or Lehniger, you may read my response to tr.ue2god in my previous post...

Me I no sabi anything o. But you wey sabi, what do you even know about life?! Can you bring the dead back to life?!

On this I concur. The Qur'an can never be Lehninger or any biochemistry textbook. They are not in the same category when it comes to truths and facts. The facts in lehninger are testable and verifiable. Well, how can we verify the claims in the Qur'an? By you explaining what you think? I guess not.