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Rashduct4luv:
They are just hypothesizing right? Since you are a biochemist why not start a research from the hypothesis till you get a proven theory?

O sorry, i forgot you are not really out to find the truth! You are just out to debunk the Qur'an! But until research goes more in that direction you have no say in this regards.

You obviously think all hypothesis lead to theories, no they don't.

Most hypothesis such as this useless one die at this point, when the lies are detected.

I cannot continue the research because the hypothesis is not true and unreasonable. They claimed that clay hydrogels were responsible for holding the cell membrane together. Lol.

Like I said, the cell membrane has been extensively studied and it does not contain clay hydrogels. The cell membrane is a fluid of phospholipids. We understand how they work. That hypothesis is a lie. I can't waste money on a lie project. Do you ever wonder why the research was discontinued?

Trust me, I have found the truth but it's not in the Qur'an. I know how much you wish the Qur'an is a truth book, but it is not.

Rashduct4luv:
If you don't mind you can read this Journal here

We believe everything in the Qur'an and authentic hadith to be true! Science is never the measurement for our religion as science keeps advancing as the day goes by! There was a time when there were wrong views about the shape of the earth!

I think the biochemist should understand this better!

A Professor from Cornell University Department of Biological and Environmental Engineering, NY had a study that was published in the journal Scientific Reports.

According to new research reported in the journal Scientific Reports (full paper source given above), infertile clay in oceans of the early Earth may have been the birthplace of life.

“We propose that in early geological history clay hydrogel provided a confinement function for biomolecules and biochemical reactions,” explained senior author Prof Dan Luo from the Cornell University’s Kavli Institute.

In simulated ancient seawater, clay forms a hydrogel – a mass of microscopic spaces capable of soaking up liquids like a sponge.

Over billions of years, chemicals confined in those spaces could have carried out the complex reactions that formed proteins, DNA and eventually all the machinery that makes a living cell work.

Clay hydrogels could have confined and protected those chemical processes until the membrane that surrounds living cells developed.

To further test the idea, Prof Luo’s team has demonstrated protein synthesis in a clay hydrogel.

The researchers previously used synthetic hydrogels as a cell-free medium for protein production.

“Fill the spongy material with DNA, amino acids, the right enzymes and a few bits of cellular machinery and you can make the proteins for which the DNA encodes, just as you might in a vat of cells.”

Scientists previously suggested that tiny balloons of fat or polymers might have served as precursors of cell membranes. Clay is a promising possibility because biomolecules tend to attach to its surface, and theorists have shown that cytoplasm – the interior environment of a cell – behaves much like a hydrogel.

“And a clay hydrogel better protects its contents from damaging enzymes that might dismantle DNA and other biomolecules,” Prof Luo said.

As further evidence, geological history shows that clay first appeared – as silicates leached from rocks – just at the time biomolecules began to form into protocells – cell-like structures, but incomplete – and eventually membrane-enclosed cells. The geological events matched nicely with biological events.


Source

Did you read this with an open mind? Because I just did . And I have bolded some point which I'll be addressing.

- Clay in oceans in early earth may have been the birthplace of life on earth, this is just hypothesis.it has not been established. And they are talking of all life forms not just man. From unicellular organisms to multicellular organisms. You must understand that.

- Throughout the hypothesis, words like could have might have were used,which means they are just hypothesizing. These are not facts.

-However, the cell which is the basic functioning unit of life has been thoroughly studied and clay wasn't found in it. So that makes their claims invalid.

So there's no point there.

sino:
Lol, and man uses the oxygen in water for respiration abi?!

And Merriam-Webster are full of illiterates to have defined it so?!

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/respiration

Biochemist?! And what is the source of the oxygen for man on earth?! Oxygen tanks?! I'll rather be in the arts than learn from a biochemist like you!

Oxygen can be collected and attached to the inlets. Oxygen is what we need whether there is air or not.
You cannot deny that. Air is not needed, I believe you understand the meaning of NEED.

Merriam Webster is not a scientific or biological dictionary or textbook. We are talking about a scientific process and respiration is not breathing. The picture below should help you.

sino:
My logic is beyond your grasp, while you have agreed that air and earth would be in the same column, creation (which I believe you deny) and respiration are processes and would be in the same column, of course you lack the knowledge of creation (of Adam), hence, you wouldn't know what was used and how it was used, but since you know that oxygen, out of all other gases, is used in respiration, should inform you that specificity or significance with regards to what can be used in biological processes, isn't based on abundance....FYI, nitrogen happens to be the most abundant gas in air....

Imagine, "oxygen and part of earth in the same column" very laughable!

Are you finding simple things so hard to comprehend?

I think you need to read and understand and then sit to comprehend what was written.

I did not agree that air and earth are in the same column as regards your analogy in this argument. Your analogy is totally and completely wrong. I am faulting you placing air and earth in the same column based on what was stated in the Qur'an and science.
You may need glasses and an extra brain to read what I write. Your struggle make this analogy work is hilarious. You cannot change facts.

We dont need air to respirate, humans use air but we don't need it. We need oxygen. How is that hard to fathom? Lwkmd

Respiration is a process that has testifiable evidence. Creation of a man from Earth is a myth. It's ignorance putting these two things side by side. I am just amused you see yourself as an intelligent animal/human and still can't realize these little things.

There is no KNOWLEDGE on the creation of Adam, there are however myths and lies written on that
There is no book that has ever described the process of the creation of Adam.

Not only oxygen is used in respiration. Sulfur and Nitrogen too can be used in respiration. But humans only use Oxygen and respiration is not only seen in humans. However respiration is the same process and gives the same product in all life forms. So, respiration is respiration.

That is why your analogy is silly.

I am not arguing that what can be used is based on abundance, I am saying the Qur'an said that earth was used. Wholly.

You saying a part was used and the others were not is trying to justify your narrative. It's not written as such in the Qur'an.

sino:
At bold, where do humans get oxygen for respiration naturally?!

Lol, I think we are getting somewhere, while you are making inferences from my arguments (which are wrong by the way), and that is okay, I on the other hand cannot do so from the Qur'an?! Earth is earth, it comprises of different components! The fact still remains, can we find what we are made up of in the earth?! and the answer is YES! So we are made from earth! And when we die, we return to the earth!

I am thinking bro, life is way too complex to make assumptions of what ought to have been or what should be, and that much can be understood by studying life processes, even evolution, but what do I know sef...

Don't even make where humans get oxygen for respiration an argument. The logic has failed already. Since humans can respire in the absence of air, it's done. Can man be created in the absence of earth? No I guess. Because there is no such process as creation of man from Earth.

The only place we are getting to is where you'll realize that man was not created from Earth. And I would be willing to school you on the process of abiogenesis.

When we die, we don't return to earth. It's time you grow up from that nonsense.

Life is too complex, I agree. And that was why the Qur'an and the Bible failed woefully at their attempt to explain what life was made of and how life came to be. Such simple books cannot explain life.

I have studied biochemistry, which is the study of life at the molecular level. You have not, there's no biochemistry in the Qur'an , just some wrong guesses from an illiterate.

You are correct bro, you know nothing when life is concerned.

sino:
Oga logic, is oxygen not part of air?! Earth is not made up of silicon alone, so what are you on about?!In general term, respiration is defined as breathing! I do not know your background, but when it comes to respiration, especially cellular respiration, i can write epistles, nay, i have written epistles!

Without air, human respiration cannot occur, oya argue!

LMAO, I can imagine what the lack of basic science knowledge can do to a man. Oxygen is not always only in air, For example, we have oxygen in water. Human respiration only needs oxygen and not air. In the absence of air and the presence of oxygen, human respiration and cellular respiration will take place 100%.

Secondly, in general term respiration is not defined as breathing, only the illiterate's define it as such.

Take science classes. And by the way, I am a biochemist.

sino:
Of course, breathing in air (containing potpourri of gases) leads to the process of respiration where only oxygen is used! That all of what air contains enters into our lungs doesn't mean humans must make use of it! That is the logic!

I guess you will never understand how this does not correlate even though I took time to explain.

Let me try again,
Of course, oxygen is part of air, no one says it's not.
And also there are also other constituents of earth, carbon etc.

But where your logic fail is what is and what is not.

Science specifically points out that Oxygen is used for respiration, it didn't say air.

But the quran says that man is made of earth, not its part or some of its elements.

The logic fails because you're putting air and earth on the same column and oxygen and other parts of earth on the same column as regarding this argument and your analogy.

If science had said we respire with air, your logic would have been correct. Take logic classes too brother. Don't bring illogical analogies to this table.

sino:
How you missed the point to putting words in my mouth is amazing, I never made mention of what science says or what not, but thank you for the unsolicited science lessons....




Na wa o, I never said silicon was omitted, this is you misconstruing my arguments, and yet, you want me to believe you have the mental capacity to think?!

If you need me to explain my position, say so politely. Regardless, my argument is that since we can find all what we (and not Adam (AS), except you do have a sample from him) are made up of in the earth, then, saying Adam (AS) was created from earth is correct, regardless of the abundance of silicon in the earth!

You are all here arguing about silicon when oxygen happens to be more abundant, and can be said to be life itself! But what do I know sef....Have a lovely day!

I didn't miss the point, I actually understood your illogical analogy, but it doesn't apply because we are concerned about the info from the Quran. Hence we have to be concerned about what science states explicity too. And you were wrong. You cannot connect breathing air to respiration because we can achieve respiration without air. All we need is oxygen.

You dont have to believe anything on my mental capacity, you only need to make good use of yours, and you're still failing to do just that woefully.

Your argument that other parts of earth must have been used to create Adam is categorically omitting the use of silicon, isn't it? Since you agree that life is not based on silicon, it's another way of saying the other parts of earth found in man was used and silicon was not. And that argument was not stated in your Quran, you are only making that inference to strengthen the narrative of the Quran.
It's not too hard to fathom bro. Just THINK,that's all you need to do.

To make it simple for you and show how illogical your analogy is. Read below. @sino

Science specifically stated that oxygen is used for respiration, not air.
Quran specifically stated that earth, mud and clay was used for creating man, not part of it.

But man is not earth nor mud nor clay, while oxygen is used for respiration as claimed by science.

The analogy would have been logically correct if we use air for respiration.

Man cannot be created in the absence of earth, mud, clay, and water following the quran. And that's exactly what you stand for.

Respiration takes place in the absence of air. Or you don't know?

sino:
Oga logic, we breath in air, means we make use of all the gases in air for respiration?! When plants take nutrients from the earth, it is making use of all that is in the earth right?! LOGIC no go kee you!

So this is a logical argument to the use of earth and use of part of earth in your opinion? It's nice that you are trying to make your narrative valid, but sorry it is what it is. Breathing is different from Respiration. you really need science lessons. We don't use air for respiration, we use oxygen. It was stated clearly in the Quran that earth was used to create your imaginary Adam, not part of earth.

Science does not mislead like your Quran. In science, it is stated clearly and explicitly that we use oxygen for respiration, science didn't say we use air for respiration. Don't come here and drop illogical arguments, think before you type.

sino:
It amazes me how people lose their ability to think simply because they do not want to accept the truth! By the way, I haven't twisted anything to suit any narrative, the fact still remains that what we are composed of can be found in what was used in creating Adam (AS), you may keep arguing with your keyboard!

Lol, keep arguing with the keyboard is an intelligent argument from someone like you who hasn't lost his ability to think. Lmao

Here is how you twisted the facts. Again, explicitly the Quran said earth, mud, clay and water was used to create man. It didn't say silicon was omitted and the rest was used. Now, you are the one who is telling us that silicon was omitted because we have been able to prove that there is no silicon based life. If we said there is a silicon based life, your narrative would be different. I hope your intelligence would be useful in understanding now. Have a nice day.

These people are hilarious, the quran didn't say Adam was created with parts of earth or parts of mud or parts of clay or parts of water. It said he was created with earth, clay, mud and water.

This logically means earth and all it contained was used. Trying to say the other parts were used because life is not silicon based is trying to twist things to suit your own narrative. If the quran was a book of truth, there's no need in hiding the truths until it is discovered. A book that does such is never a book of truth. Never!

tintingz:
But you will see them(Muslim) given ridiculous excuses when it's very obvious on the material Allah used.

Well said, I've always said it that the Quran is not special, just some copy copy of early discoveries and myths of other cultures.

Most of these religious people especially Muslims are illiterates. Illiteracy is not when you can't read or write anymore. Illiteracy is when you can't learn, unlearn and relearn. They hold on to the lies they've been told and read a book as archaic as the quran to guide them in the 21st century, can you imagine?

Wow, so it's been a year long. OkaiCorner, how do you do?

Firstly, which material is specifically 'earth?' Is clay or mud or water not part of earth? Why would the Quran list all these materials along with earth if it's aim is not confusion.

Secondly science or its prologue was available from men such as Aristotle, Hippocrates, Charaka, Galen etc who published books on early scientific theories. It should be noted that these men lived before prophet Mohammed.

So the Quran is not a special book because it contains similar contents on reproduction and other processes from the books written by these men. Most of their works today are being rejected because they were not true and were the first attempt to explain those things.

The Quran does not explain reproduction as we know it. It does not at all.

BlackHummer:
I observed that you are a very bitter person even from your previous posts on other threads. I can swear with my life that you are living in frustration. Lmao

Lmao, another simpleton here for me to destroy. Your myopic observation is likely to be a reflection of your life. I can imagine what living a life believing God looks like. The only thing than can frustrate me is that there are a lot of idio.ts on Nairaland. No matter how much you try to help them, they still want to be idio.ts. lol

luvmijeje:
Then this thread is not meant for you. You can excuse yourself.

yada yada yada Tomato. God can't speak to me

DanXplore:
I do not agree.

A lot of things could motivate one to challenge a paradigm, one of those is what you mentioned. Another could be to promote a cause. But the motivation to create this thread was born out of amazement as to why people, especially atheists, do not believe in the spiritual realm. Certainly not because I cannot contain their disbelieve. The way to the proof they seek is provided already. I care nothing for what they do after seeing what I saw. It sounds to me like lack of adequate exposure and narrow-mindedness for one to be ignorant about the existence of the spiritual realm. Only in rare cases is such ignorance justifiable.

NONSENSE

How exactly do you theists think? Do you even think at all? Read carefully, I won't repeat myself...

But the motivation to create this thread was born out of amazement as to why people, especially atheists, do not believe in the spiritual realm.- If you are motivated at all to create a thread asking atheists to listen to something and still does not see that as having interest in what atheists believe or not, then you are not intelligent at all...

The way to the proof they seek is provided already. - All we care for as atheists is a proof or practicable evidence to your claims that the spiritual exists. The spiritual realm which means that a god exists and hence show that the god truly exists. and that is not already provided anywhere, it would take knowledge and facts, not faith.

I care nothing for what they do after seeing what I saw. - Here we go again, personal experience. Your personal experience is not a proof of anything whatsoever. Why can't everyone see what you saw?

It sounds to me like lack of adequate exposure and narrow-mindedness for one to be ignorant about the existence of the spiritual realm. - LMAO, narrow-mindedness for what is yet to be proven? Narrow-mindedness for what cannot be proven? If your God truly exist, we won't need faith to believe or know him, we would need facts. You are the narrow-minded one here, you are the one who is close-minded and ready to accept just one single dogmatic lie, that God exists. What if he does not exist, have you ever wondered? Speaking of narrow-mindedness and prejudiced thinking, I rest my case!

DanXplore:
There are ways to easily communicate your views without resorting to insults but your approach clearly shows the state of your mind. It is not about being wrong or right. It is about presentation. It is ok that you find the conclusion of an argument incorrect based on whatever set of premises you observe to be flawed, but then, there is a systematic way of presenting your stance without sounding like a giant panda. Atleast, learn to argue intelligently like your mentor, late Stephen Hawking.

Free advice: Try to conduct yourself properly in public. You could start by practicing here on nairaland. Resist the urge to sound the way you did in your previous posts and maybe you could be the next president of Nigeria. Do not doubt it. With your very high IQ, it is possible. It is an art that could be easily learnt especially by a man of your brilliance and stature.

Lmao, I gave it to you just like you wanted, now you are preaching to me on how to comport myself in public? Well, I know you are confused, it's obvious even though you may not see it. Those words were not insults, they are descriptions of what you are. You are a simpleton for putting up a challenge to a group of people and coming back to say you don't care about what they think or believe. You are really dumb and I am glad to be the one telling you right now, I know you must have heard it from someone before. Your sarcasm is also wack, I didn't expect much from you though, after all, your brain is not fully developed. If the insults(descriptions) hit you hard, take heart.

DanXplore:
There are ways to easily communicate your views without resorting to insults but your approach clearly shows the state of your mind. It is not about being wrong or right. It is about presentation. It is ok that you find the conclusion of an argument incorrect based on whatever set of premises you observe to be flawed, but then, there is a systematic way of presenting your stance without sounding like a giant panda. Atleast, learn to argue intelligently like your mentor, late Stephen Hawking.

Free advice: Try to conduct yourself properly in public. You could start by practicing here on nairaland. Resist the urge to sound the way you did in your previous posts and maybe you could be the next president of Nigeria. Do not doubt it. With your very high IQ, it is possible. It is an art that could be easily learnt especially by a man of your brilliance and stature.

Lmao, I gave it to you just like you wanted, now you are preaching to me on how to comport myself in public? Well, I know you are confused, it's obvious even though you may not see it. Those words were not insults, they are descriptions of what you are. You are a simpleton for putting up a challenge to a group of people and coming back to say you don't care about what they think or believe. You are really dumb and I am glad to be the one telling you right now, I know you must have heard it from someone before. Your sarcasm is also wack, I didn't expect much from you though, after all, your brain is not fully developed. If the insults(descriptions) hit you hard, take heart.

DanXplore:
By your logic, ‘challenging an ideology’ translates to ‘care’. For example, if I challenge liberals who are pro-same-sex-marriage, it automatically means I care about them.

Mr. Athiest, you are very brilliant and wise.

It's very obvious that you are a simpleton. I cannot keep up with your slow pace. It's a waste of time , and don't even go far with it, you can't measure up with me on the IQ scale, don't dream of it at all.

What do you mean by care? Do you need definitions? If you're not concerned about what atheists believe, what's the purpose of the challenge? You don't care means you shut the Bleep up and keep listening to your apostle alone. How dumber can you get?

Souless0:
Loved. If not for the fact that this woman may have a problem that she probably knows about but never revealed to me, there wouldn't be a problem between us. If she had come in clean to tell me what she wanted, all of this wouldn't have happened.
See how I suffered ignorantly for two good months. It is well

Oga you didn't suffer, all that you passed through might have started with the letter S but it surely wasn't suffering.

You were Slow, Simple and Stup.id

NobodyKnows:

Nor be only me go see this one .E don pass me.
Let me call on the Elders
Akin1212 , come and see something o

Lmao, you see how dumb the guy is? If I were him ehn, I would bang sense into the lady in question. I really wish she would just approach me and attempt to make me her victim,

luvmijeje:
Don't you have a mind? You have a live experiment in your hand.

My mind is a live experiment of what? And FYI, I don't have a mind.

DanXplore:
What you fail to realise is that I don’t really care what you believe. It is your life. It is your prerogative to choose what to believe. Believe what makes sense to you. I personally will never accept what does not make sense to me even if it does to the majority.

Then you are a slowpoke for setting up this challenge thread if you really don't care what I as an atheist thinks or believe. You are suffering from religious confusion, I guess.

Souless0:
I've read the comments on here and I've also researched the shared delusion word. The things I read seems extremely closely related to my case to be honest... the normal me never believed the things I believe right now. To think that this woman told me to go my way and not contact her again or go back to her ridiculous teachings goes to show she really knows she is a schezophrenia patient and she was really doing me good by asking me to go my own way and not try to get back to her stupid ridiculous teachings. Honestly I've seen things in this life i swear... two good months wasted just like that? Woman, devil go punish you I swear.
Anyway, thank you everyone. Hardmirror, Seun, NobodyKnows, etc... I no go ever forget this experience ever. Thats part of the lessons I've learnt in life...do you think am gonna make this mistake again? Hell nah. Thank God it happened now, if not who knows what would befall me in the future?

Luvmijeje... honestly I advice you to keep your teachings to yourself. I wonder why you felt it necessary to spread your teachings to pple who weren't even interested to listen. Imagine being depressed for not believing you are God? Chai! Life

I swear if I get over this, I will forever be grateful to God and to certain pple on this forum. No worry luvyoujeje, you go soon meet your karma

I am her Karma, please go back to her teachings and persuade her to recruit me too. I bet the only way it will end is giving her nice fucckss frequently until we both agree to end the world �

But to be sincere, the beginning of your problem is that you believe in God in the first place. I dare that woman to try to bring me into God's army.
If you believe in God and they told you he is recruiting soldiers, you have no choice than to believe and that's the highest form of stupid.ity

The depression you suffered was self induced. Your mind is still messed up, and if you still keep hanging on to your imaginary friend. Then you're still vulnerable.

I am an atheist, I have listened to Selman''s sermons, I still remain an atheist. He is only a noise maker, you all are.

It is very simple, just prove that God exists. Stop telling us about what it told you or sent you. Just prove it exists.

luvmijeje:
I've post it.

I didn't say post it, I said prove that men can hear from God. Or you don't have proofs?

Souless0:
Whats your solution then?

You need psychological help, you need to come to the realization that nothing was and is wrong with you in the first place. You need to realize that your mind is just messed up by your thoughts. You need to realize that those things you think are there are not even there at all.

And I can't help you here because it's a public place. you either chat me up or we do it elsewhere.

Souless0:
And this fear started overcoming me when she came in? Anyway you don't have a solution to my problem. Hope you don't mind stepping aside

Stepping aside in a public forum? Are you high on dope?

I have the only solution you need to your problems, believe me it's not Jesus Christ, not at all.

luvmijeje:
There is a lie out there that state for you to hear from God, you must be this and that. I say crap to that.

We are built with an internal mechanism right from birth to hear from God. But we have been taught that for we to have access to God, we must be this, we must be that. Again I say crap.

God's name have been use by men to control their fellow men. They have been told that there's only one way to God. Crap! If there is, why created us so different? Why is our purpose and thinking different? Why are there varieties of culture, people and tongues? What will make anyone think God will create only one way to access him? Absolutely bullshit!

There are billions of ways to access God. And my next thread will unveiled those ways.

Prove it.

Souless0:
Hurting myself? Plz can you explain what you mean by that?

Just grow up, that's all.

Nothing happened to you, you just allowed your fears to overcome you. You may need a psychologist though, if you can't let go of your messed up mind.

Souless0:
Take responsibility for what plz?
I don't aim to bring you down. Bringing you down would add nothing to my life.
Just tell this pple how you made me miserable. How since we met, my life never remained the same. How come? How did that happen?
I will remove your name from my post simply because you made special request that I should not call you by your full name on nairaland and I respect your request. I will keep to it regardless of the rubbish you have done

We have copied the name already.

I must admit that I am bewildered with your level of stu.pidity sir. So the Jesus you want to give your life to or that you want to pray to did not know when you wanted to meet this woman and warn you. The Jesus did not know that you are a stu.pid masturbator?


Have you not even realized how stu.pid you are?

These stu.pid words are not even insults, you arr messed up pretty bad.

luvmijeje:
You tell the world how I did it? Through magic. Through witchcraft. I don't even know your full name so how I can I do enchantment on your name. I've never seen your pics so how can I destroy your life?

You are irresponsible. That's why you're blaming me for your woe.

He said you guys talked on social media other than Nairaland, he said he called you on phone severally, how come you don't know his name all through these happenings?

Souless0:
Am asking you to mail me so you can undo whatever you did to me. Trust me, I have no business with you...I had no plan of exposing you but since you wanted to expose yourself, let the exposure begin. Create your thread and post screenshots of our discussion. God will defend me. When you do create the thread, just mention me.

Did you mention her when you created your own thread? Did you post any screenshot? Which of the gods will defend you?

Nobody did anything to you bro, you're the one hurting yourself and nothing is wrong with you. Grow some balls, please.