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Najib632

All your claims here are lies and fallacies.

The word doctor is not an Arabic word.

Evolution is a scientific theory, being a scientific theory doesn't mean it's not a fact or it's not accepted. You are really backwards when it comes to knowledge.

You are very mistaken but let me clear you.

A scientific law is the description of a phenomenon. It doesn't explain phenomenon.

A scientific theory is the explanation of a scientific law. In other words, a scientific theory is the explanation of a described phenomenon, a theory explains a law or laws.

Your misconception that theories are not widely accepted is a pity.

najib632:
I humbly ask you to teach me sir, but sir this is a chimpanzee with a disease, I have seen the guy on tv one certain time.

The disease is called alopecia and it affects humans too. But that's not the issue and the disease shouldn't block your senses from perceiving the purpose of showing you the picture. The purpose is for you to see the structural resemblance of chimpanzees with humans. Look at the structure of the body parts and tell me they don't look close to human's. You need to be able to see beyond what you want to see, you need to be able to see what you can see. The genetic similarity which stands at 98% between chimps and humans is responsible for the resemblance. Does quran or can the quran explain that in plausible hypothetical ways? I guess not. Read on while I lecture you on evolution though.

Meet Louie dude. This is a hairless chimpanzee. Read more on evolution or humbly ask me to help teach you. I will help you.

najib632:
: read more

Read what more? A secondary school student cannot even say what you said. I'm so disappointed.

I won't be surprised sef if you're a secondary school student.

You don't know a pin about evolution. Just don't talk about what you don't know.

najib632:
@tintingz You don't have a sound knowledge of what you're saying your just coming here to attack Islam because of how illogical you think soil contains only silica, no H4SiO4, no Na2CO3, NH4NO3, no H2O? Look man you can never discredit that man was made out of clay, because it contains elements that are present in us or can transform into another element under special conditions, and there's nothing like evolution only metamorphosis and adaptation. Drawin was wrong since billions of dollars have been spent to prove this theory but it failed. So don't come here start acting like you know all about science, because your ignorance will not make you open minded.

You say what? In 2018 you are this ignorant?

What is adaptation and metamorphosis, are they genetic?

Ignorance is bliss...

MuttleyLaff:
Relax Akin1212
because it is providence that made our path cross.
This is a public discourse and it is a beautiful thing that anyone, can latch on to it, even without invite.

No qualms.

MuttleyLaff:
As the whole world is a painting on a canvas literally,
and hung up, just as like you'll do an oil painting, what more evidence of an Artist than this, about the existence of this God, do you want?

Only that in this inadequate analogy of yours, the painter can be investigated and found to exist literally.

However, for the sake of this dialogue, I'll agree that the world can be likened to a painting on a canvas, not forgetting that they are both material objects that can be perceived and interacted with physically by all our physical senses. The analogy is thus insufficient because it does not stipulate a physical creator for the universe as it does for the painting. Simple enough

Probably you'll look for a more apt analogy. I'll be waiting.

MuttleyLaff:
This is a jejune opinion

Yet you did not drop a mature or interesting one!

MuttleyLaff:
Since I disconcur with your cherised Encarta dictionary's simplest definition that a fool is unintelligent person
why not you, in your own words, give an exhaustive definition of a fool and possibly with example(s).

I wouldn't stress myself to define in depth what you would still disconcur with. Let's just go with the simplest definition, "an unintelligent person."

Obviously a fool it its simplest form cannot be intelligent.

MuttleyLaff:
I am sorry to be the one telling you this, but they're exact references to go to for the definition of a fool.

I am also sorry. The Bible is not a language book, it is not a dictionary either. Since it is a subjective book, it can say a fool is someone who does not cherish it's most treasured character. That doesn't make it correct.

MuttleyLaff:
"Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age?
Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?"
- 1 Corinthians 1:20

"For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom,
and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength."
- 1 Corinthians 1:25

"The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God.
For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."
- 1 Corinthians 2:14

I am sure the people who wrote down these verses had a testable and empirical proof of that which they called God, or were they also operating on faith - the ability to believe that anything you don't know or can't see exists?

Quoting words that suit your narrative from a book written to promote your narrative is a sign of weakness. Why don't we just use logic? If God exists at all, logic and critical reasoning will pick it up somehow.

MuttleyLaff:
I understand, and I am quite sure it was an irresistible strong urge
Your answers are feeble, lacked depth & aplomb though

Says someone who quoted a primitive and medieval book to back up his claims. Like I said, simplicity is the best. I don't need to go to the depth when the questions are shallow.

MuttleyLaff:
This is the tip of the iceberg, we havent started yet, we havent even scratched any surface yet.
Put some oomph Akin1212 in your next post, so we can blast this wide open and apart

I will like to believe so,

elated177:
Tell Satan your father that he failed big time. He cannot use you to steer my reasoning towards the blasphemous things he reels out trough the mouth of his servant Budaatum.

I had to give you that advice a second time. And for the second time, you have rejected it. You have thrown it away because you do not see yourself worthy. Well, my job is to share the Word. The Father in heaven draws to himself those he wants and hardens the hearts of those he wants to harden.

John 6:65 He went on to say, 'This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.

I wash my hands.

It is not an easy task to rescue a drowning man who has a death wish from drowning.

I won't be discussing with you again, akin1212, anymore on this issue.


However be sure of this; at the end of the age, every individual will appear before the judgment seat of Yahushua the Messiah where they will give account of what they did while still on this mortal body.


Sayonara.

Is it your mother that gave birth to me for Satan?

I know you are very stupid and that was why I said goodbye earlier.

When you get sense, come back here to prove that Satan, God and Jesus exist. Until then, shove every other nonsense you have up your asshol.e

Is it your God that does not exist that will judge everyone? Lol

For us to know that he is capable of judgment, tell him to appear first.

HardMirror:
the day you meet felix, perhaps that day you would regret ever exchanging two sentences with him here. He could be a homeless hobo from all indications

Lol it seems everyone seems to know him for what he is. A slowpoke.

It's a shame the dude has such a reputation here on Nairaland.

Annoyingly, he still continues to fuel his stupidity by bringing up statements that contradict himself.

That fellow is very stupid I swear.

Some persons don't even know the meaning of atheism. They think it means doubting God when you are weak.

elated177:
Isaiah 5:20-21 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight.

You are gravely mistaken if you, for a microsecond, think that hammering on intelligence will ever have any bearing on the intelligence of this servant of the Most High, YaHVeH Elohim Almighty.

Job 28:28 And he said to the human race, 'The fear of YHVH - that is wisdom, and to shun evil is understanding.'

Psalm 111:10 The fear of YHVH is wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding. To him belongs eternal praise.

Jeremiah 9:23-24 This is what YHVH declares: let not the wise boast of their wisdom or the strong boast of their strength or the rich boast of their riches, but let the one who boasts boast about this: that they have the understanding to know me, that I am YHVH, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in this I delight,' declares YHVH.

You see, my Father in heaven, YaHVeH Almighty, has made me, elated 177, a billion times more intelligent than you and anyone in your lineage. In fact, in the next 500 years, your entire lineage will never have anyone with half the intelligence YaHVeH Almighty has bestowed on me, elated177.

Like I said earlier, you don't have much to stand on, the reason you resort to insult.

Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, 'There is no Elohim.' They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.

Romans 3:13-18 Their throats are open graves; their tongues practise deceit. The poison of vipers is on their lips. Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways, and the way of peace they do not know. There is no fear of Elohim before their eyes.

Romans 1:19-23 since WHAT may be KNOWN about YHVH is PLAIN to them, because YHVH MADE it plain to them. For since the CREATION of the world, YHVH's invisible qualities - HIS ETERNAL POWER and DIVINE NATURE - have been clearly SEEN, being UNDERSTOOD from WHAT HAS BEEN MADE, so that people are without EXCUSE. For although they knew YHVH, they neither glorified him as Elohim nor gave thanks to him, but their THINKING became FUTILE and their FOOLISH HEARTS were DARKENED. Although they CLAIMED to be WISE, they became FOOLS and exchanged the glory of the immortal Elohim for images made to look like mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

Let me reiterate; homosexual agenda is at the root of atheism. Atheism is just one of the forms of satanism. Atheism is just one of the illusions/delusions Satan sells to those who believe they are too exposed, too educated, too enlightened and too learned to worship him directly and consciously...satanism. So, atheism is just one of the numerous ways Satan draws people away from the Truth.


Dude, only YHVH can take away the pain and bitterness in your heart. It is only in him you can find fulfilment. As far you are concerned, this path you are traversing now is only a dead-end. It does not lead to anywhere meaningful for you. There is still time. Turn back, turn to Yahushua the Messiah, obey him, study the Scriptures for yourself and you will be free.

Praise YaHVeH Elohim Almighty.

Throw this shit out the window once again.

Unintelligent people usually regurgitate lies and quote nonsense as facts. Attend Budaatum logic school and come back to debate.

finalboss:
lols, one said he dosent have tele-kinetic power like the vast population. Wtf does that mean.

Means he's drunk and confused

Preetiex:
merry Christmas, I can't spew my personals on Nl

Because there's nothing to spew. I get it.

TruthinAction:
It's not an idea. It's an experience. It makes you supernatural. It's lift you up to a new realm of glory. It's something you can relate with on a daily basis. Just accept Jesus into your heart first and you will regret why you haven't done so before now. Just let him in. He is knocking at the door of your heart.

Will you keep quiet?

Preetiex:
am not, believe me God loves us all black,white, brown fair, and no matter your religion,my dear we are all loved by the Most High

So no one is going to hell, after all we are all loved. Abi?

And where is this most high sef?

sonmvayina:
Yes, that is the personal name we igbos has chosen for it.... Other tribes have their own names... Same divine consciousness different nomenclature..

You're speaking on behalf of all igbos? Lwkmd

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Why is it alright not to believe in God or the existence of God?
2/ Why doesnt believing in God or the existence of God not make one a fool?
3/ What in the context of Psalm 14:1 and Psalm 53:1 is a fool?

Although you didn't ask me, but you didnt need to ask me before I could answer.

1. Because up till date no single evidence has been provided for the existence of this God. All we have are just claims. Claims asking us to believe and have faith. If there's evidence, there's no need for faith or belief.

2. A fool is not someone who is curious, critical and ask questions. A fool is someone who just accepts whatever he is told without investigation. The simplest definition from the Encarta dictionary is - an unintelligent person.

3. Those verses are not accurate references to go to for the definition of a fool.

Thanks, I just had the urge to answer these questions. Pardon my interference.

TruthinAction:
1st Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. King James Version.

Look at the rendering in other versions.

For the natural man is not able to take in the things of the Spirit of God: for they seem foolish to him, and he is not able to have knowledge of them, because such knowledge comes only through the Spirit. Bible in Basic English.

If God’s Spirit is not living inside people, they cannot receive anything from God. They cannot understand what God wants to teach them. They think that it is crazy. They think that it is worth nothing. Easy English Translation.

This is the reason you don't understand God's word.

If that is the case then God is not meant for the natural man. So let God hold unto the unnatural men and leave the natural men the Bleep alone.

It's very simple if you look at it from a logical and reality aspect.

If God wants a natural man to worship him, then let him with all his power send his spirit into him. If God does cannot do this, then it only means one thing. He simply does not exist. That's what it all points to.

If God exists, you won't need to be typing all these epistles here. It will come naturally, but you have to stress yourself and do much work to make me believe.

Drop the God idea, it's all a lie.

JeromeBlack:
Dodging. Please defend your lies

Leave this mumu and move on bro. His failures are there for everyone to see.

Just let him continue in his misery.

brodalokie:
Empirical related to empire. The Bible is everywhere read. Even the devil is forcing people to serve God. History will tell you how many witches were killed in Rome, Spain and France along by the catholic church until Martin Luther broke out. Even though they did it for the gospel it was still wrong but it was a prophecy. The horseman at work...

How is empirical evidence related to empire? Chai

Let's end this here. I'm disappointed already OK?

finalboss:
you dy vex o

Make she tell us na. We want to compare and contrast.

brodalokie:
Did Joshua not stop the sun for two days? Did moses see a burning bush that didn't burn? Recently some one tried to win me into king worship by telling me that they are now able to resurrect dead people 3 days old, maybe he meant 3 years of suffering person I don't know but I have seen science in action and if science is is all that matters then the people who have done more than the ones here may hold more secrets about life than them here and they gave us the Bible. I am a soldier of the cross

No, Joshua did not stop the sun for even one second.
No, Moses never saw a burning bush that didn't burn.

Science is the only thing that is saving the world from most if not all of the problems it offered humanity. So think again.

You're a soldier of the cross doesn't make all your claims true. What part of testable and verifiable proof is hard for you people to understand? Just demonstrate that your God exist, demonstrate it empirically. Without this empirical world, your God cannot exist, so prove it to us empirically that he does. Simple.

elated177:
Just say that your logic has failed in that regard. Nothing in your atheist dictionary prepared you for such. No one will oblige you with the idea of proof you chase.

Mtcheww...the path in which you are and the one that I am traversing are like two parallel lines that will never meet. Enjoy your journey... arrivederci.

By the way: the Creator whom I worship is YaHVeH and his Son's name is Yahushua the Messiah. He exists because he exists and there is nothing you or anyone can do about it.

I don't fight for him; he fights for me. I stand my ground, always, to defend me believe and faith in him, with his Scriptures in me and his sword of judgment by my side. Don't misconstrue that as me fighting for him.

Turn away from this path of atheistism, turn to YaHVeH, accept his plan of salvation and be saved. You still have time. The path on which you are now can only lead to pain and regret at the end of the age.

Each of us must stand before the judgment seat of Yahushua the Messiah where everyone will give account of what they did while in this body.

No single individual is free from the influence of one spirit or the other ...good spirit bad spirit. By their fruits you will recognise them.

Again, turn away from this wrong path. Turn to the Author of life. Study the Scriptures for yourself. You will find the answers you seek.

I have done my part.

I dust my feet.

You are not intelligent at all.

You just made a claim that someone was controlling the movement of branches with his hands and you want ME to explain it. Was I there? How do I know you didn't just imagine it? Can you post a video evidence of your claim? Can you come and practise it in my presence?

How do you exactly want me to explain a claim that never happened ? I expected more from you. This is very disappointing. And all you have to say is that logic has failed in that regards. Lol

You have an erroneous understanding of what logic is and how it works. To apply logic, there must be observation. Have I observed what you claimed happened? NO.
How can my logic now fail in that regards?

Please, I don't have time to waste on less intelligent folks like you. Go and increase your IQ, then we will have an intelligent discussion.

You're the same person who thought homosexuality has everything to do with atheism. I am so done with discussing with you. You have proven to have a very low IQ.

You can continue worshipping whosoever father you want and his son, it's not my business. You worship them doesn't bring them to existence. You're the one deceiving yourself.

It's a good thing that you dusted your feet, please don't bring those feet here again.

How many minutes does it take you to think deeply? You're not thinking sir.

TruthinAction:
It's not logical. God's word is beyond logic. How can you explain how Jesus walked on water? It's not logical. You don't follow God's word with logic. Lot's of things in the Bible don't make sense but they are true. You have to receive them with your spirit. The mind sometimes does not have the capacity to receive God's word. And that is the problem that you are having. You first step is to receive Jesus as your Lord and personal Saviour. Then, you will begin to understand many things written in God's Word.

Nothing is beyond logic except idealism or make-believe. If God is real, he cannot be beyond logic. Reality can never be beyond logic.

Jesus never walked on water. Because the bible said it doesn't mean it happened. You're regurgitating it as if you saw Jesus walked on water with your eyes. It's all make-believe and lies. If you don't follow God's word with logic, then it is not real. It is a logical world my friend. There is nothing in the bible that is testable, they are tales.

Nobody has a spirit, there is nothing like that. If there is, take a picture of your spirit and send it to me. Remember your belief is that your spirit is an entity capable of self existing.

Are you saying the only way to understand God's word is to first beg Jesus? If God and Jesus are not powerful enough to make me understand their existence without me helping them, they should forget it. I'm not helping them.

Originakalokalo:
Peace.

Lol as usual. Just stop quoting me guy. Be advised.

sonmvayina:
The divine consciousness.. Goes by different names, we igbos call it CHUKWU... yorubas calls it ELEDUMARE....

Eledumare is not a divine consciousness. You seem to be mistaken.

Originakalokalo:
He thinks he knows....

But unfortunately for him, he doesn't know that there are answers to the questions he mentioned.

These answers are in PLAIN WORDS in the Bible.


OP appears to know and he has concluded.

Why teach him?

Ask nicely and the children of God on this forum will teach you...

State an unfortunate comment to condemn and remain in ignorance...

Your choice.

Everything from the Bible are claims. You can't teach me from the Bible. I'd rather do that.

If there are logical answers and nothing contradicts them from the Bible then why won't I accept them? But first we have to establish where the bible came from first. If it's from man, we have to establish that it is not divine and hence it can't supply answers. If it's from a supreme being, then we have to established the existence of the Supreme being first.

It's very simple my brother, Mr fanatic.

JJOF:
I don't like arguing with non-christian, cuz i knw dat it'll neva yield any result (pls dnt tink i'm trying 2 run away 4rm ur questions, i actually ve answers to all of dem). Have a wondaful day.

It's not argument if you tender facts. I can't argue with facts. However the texts from the Bible are not facts, they are claims.

You actually do not have the answers to the questions, because if you do you'll answer them.

Have a nice day too

CAPSLOCKED:
JESSSUS CHRIST!!
YOU SAY "AD" MEANS WHAT? EHH??

YOU ENDED YOUR TRASHY STATEMENT BY URGING HIM TO KNOW SOMETHING BEFORE TALKING WHEN YOU'RE THE ONE THAT DOESN'T KNOW SHĮT...

FELIXMØRON FOR A REASON!

Lol do you mind that old fool? I have ignored him to perish in foolishness. If God really existed, he would be so disappointed in him.

He doesn't know shitt, and so it would have been a waste of time going back and forth with him.

You don't learn anything from his type. And instead of him to sit and learn, his ignorance won't allow him. Lwkmd.

sonmvayina:
Most people who claim to believe in God don't even know the God described in their holy books.. The God written about in the old testament is the personification of divine consciousness.. Not a man or human being or genie that grants wishes..

While the new testament is is just a theological fiction by some devilish roman who just wants to deceive people and turn them against God the creator of all..

So which one is God the creator of all?

JJOF:
I'm sure god has a contigency plan 4 dat.

Did you just say you're sure? I think you mean to say you think.

If God has a contingency plan for that, why is it not documented in the bible?

If such information was omitted from the Bible, can we say the bible is incomplete?

JJOF:
Definitely, not all of them will go to hell, cuz it wasn't their fault dat dey didn't hear a single word abt god, or jesus. One thing u shld knw is dat deir are persons who lived b4 d creation of d old laws who re currently in heaven.

That is if hell exist at all.

When Jesus was saying he is the way, the truth and the life. That no one makes it to the father except through him, was he mistaken? He was very clear on that.
And if you're a Christian, then there's no other way to make heaven except through Christ. But if you're saying people can make it without knowing Jesus, then I don't need to point out the contradiction to you, do I?

JJOF:
Based on my current understanding of scripture, they will b judge based on their conscience. At least, their are some basic actions dat we do not need an angel to tell us dat dey re evil. I think Romans 2 vs 14 to 16 throws more light to dat. MERRY CHRISTMAS.

If this is true, then accepting or believing in Jesus is not a must since we can be judged by our conscience.

According to the bible, Jesus was sent to Israel, that's why he didn't travel all around the world to announce himself. It took over 700 years before we heard about Jesus in Nigeria, if he was sent to us, would it have taken up to that time to receive the message? Jesus was a made up folklore.

If God is real and he wants us to know, his message would not need to be spread by man, it will be automatic.

elated177:
Akin1212,

You haven't used you logic to explain this:


A man wakes up in the morning, looks at a tree about 100ft away and says in his heart he wants the branches of the tree to move. He raises his hand, sways to left and the branches of the tree sway to the left. He sways to the right and the branches do the same. He stops and brings down his hand and the tree branches stop swaying.

Dude, you are really funny.

You want me to use logic to describe something that didn't happen?

Is that how you think logic works?

Preetiex:
What is happening,we don't need argument or insults to give testimonies about God wonderous works in our lives.

What exactly are his wondrous works in your lives? Can you mention a few?