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Christianity EtcRe: You Will Become An Atheist, When You Understand The Bible by akintom(op): 7:39pm On Mar 13, 2017
Sapiosexuality:
Atheism is not a position of superior knowledge either. Like I've been asking your fellow atheists, 'How is Atheism Logical?
You're an evidence of how morbidly and intellectually dishonest, christards are.

It's obvious that you don't understand a word in logic. If not you wouldn't be asking atheists, how god idea is both primitive and idiotic.
Christianity EtcRe: You Will Become An Atheist, When You Understand The Bible by akintom(op): 7:34pm On Mar 13, 2017
Pidgin2:
OP, the devil is tormenting you, move on with your life and continue with your atheism if it pleases you. Open your eyes, you are wasting your time engaging in pointless debates, go and live free, you are in bondage without Christ, He is the only one that can set you free before you know it you will be old, a word should be enough for you
Of course, the very devil that gave you forbidden fruit to eat in the garden of eden, still possesses you.

If not, you and your fellow christards wouldn't be fighting him, all the time that you gather in those fools' house.
Christianity EtcRe: You Will Become An Atheist, When You Understand The Bible by akintom(op): 2:34pm On Mar 13, 2017
tempem:
Lol.. It's not true..
Applying the Bible's practical advice will make you believe more in it's author..
Yes, as long as you remain intellectually dishonest.
Christianity EtcYou Will Become An Atheist, When You Understand The Bible by akintom(op):
UNDERSTANDING

Understanding is a psychological process related to an abstract or physical object, such as a person , situation, or
message whereby one is able to think about it and use
concepts to deal adequately with that object.

Understanding is a relation between the knower and an object of understanding. Understanding implies abilities and dispositions with respect to an object of knowledge sufficient to support intelligent behavior.

-Wikipedia

Understanding is a precursor to intelligent behavior. Paul the apostle was a lawyer (according to Bible), this made him presumably an intelligent man.

But when he attempted to understand the bible (the whole documented stories, of religious evolution of Jews), so that he could make intelligent proposition, Paul got quagmired in the verses below:



Romans 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Romans 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Romans 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

Romans 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?



What Paul resorted to was conclusions, devoid of intelligence, since it was impossible for him to understand the inconsistencies in the character of the Jewish god (Yahweh).

If anyone is intellectually honest, the day he/she understands the Bible, it's that day he will realize that bible informed behavior, is diametrically opposed to intelligent behavior.

Christianity EtcRe: Collection Of Thought Patterns That Created God(s) Idea by akintom(op): 11:52pm On Mar 11, 2017
GodsMopol:
I got a like revelation like this a long time when I was praying and I think I would like to join your team if you mind, but, I think you should take measures that would allow for constant scrutiny of activities, its a big dream bro, but I think you should be looking at the big picture, connecting Christians, I really don't mind telling you what I heard, in Christianity, its not about the money, it's about the Kingdom.

Lemme add, the vision is bigger than you and whoever you intend to work with, just pray the more, because what you are listing up there is not good enough. There is nothing bad in starting off and over time as you stay with God, yea, a little piece of advise God gave me back then, He said I should use report buttons, if any suspicious personality is identified, a number of report should lead to the automatic deactivation of their account, I can't even remember where I wrote those things, probably you should pray more and ask God for directions, its a big project and I believe in it, yea, age restrictions pls, anyone below a particular age can't reg, so pls, spend more time praying and hearing God on this.

P.S. many Christians are too spiritual, always try not to give much attention to their comments, thanks
enshy:
An online dating site and we call it christian?
Please I see no correlation btw an online dating platform and xtianity.
We shouldnt put Christs name in disrepute!
Who controls the dating and courtship in this age where people cant control their sexual urge?
If you want an online dating site, you can go ahead, anyone who wishes to join would join..Pls dont call it by Christian name. Pls be careful when we claim to do things in Gods name.
God cant be mocked 'evil communication corrupts good manners'
Thank You.
* the same holy spirit in two Christians.
* the same two Christians saying different things.
Christianity EtcRe: Pray For Me If You Believe In Miracle by akintom(m): 9:05pm On Mar 11, 2017
Babs80:
According to them the left side is not function.. and I said every dry bone shall rise again. IJN
You're either trolling here, or you met medic that works in mysterious ways eg felixomor.

Of course angina do break bones.
Suleiman hasn't been able to replicate Elijah's myth yet,despite he's bald like Elijah.
The spirit of Samson has possessed Suleiman.
Christianity EtcRe: Pray For Me If You Believe In Miracle by akintom(m): 5:56pm On Mar 11, 2017
Babs80:
Hello everyone... please put me in your prayers doctors report said I have heart disease.... and not thing they can do.. But I believe with GOD all things are possible.. (Felix)
may it be unto you, according to your belief. But remember that faith alone is death. Rational thinking and action gives life in good abundance.
Christianity EtcRe: Apostle Suleman's 3-Day Program 'Minister Without Blemish' Starts (Photo) by akintom(m): 4:46pm On Mar 11, 2017
McKayConcept:
I believe u have also asked why Jesus didn't call down fire to consume those that came to arrest and crucify him.

my dear, get this clear, spiritual matters cannot be evaluated by carnally minded people, spiritual things are foolishness to carnal people
This doesn't apply to Suleiman, he boasts of power as of old (Elijah's type). Let him show his fictitious power now.

If it's telling fake stories of how he killed 100 witches, just by looking at them in the face, he will be able to.

Perhaps Suleiman is now Jesus. Haven't you heard Suleiman say that it's only Jesus that had vicarious assignment?
Suleiman claimed he has assignment of killing by fire...... Now is the set time to kill by fire.

He's was just foolishly boasting though.
Christianity EtcRe: Stat's show Nigeria's Religious Future is probably Islamic by akintom(m): 4:26pm On Mar 11, 2017
DoctorAlien:
Well, the statistics lied because major happenings in the world right now point to a one-world religion with the Beast of Revelation 13 at the head. All the religions of the world, including Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, apostate Christianity, name them, will unite themselves into one big world religion, with Sunday as their day of rest and worship. They will then get the governments of the world to enact a law that will make it illegal to practise any religion other than theirs. It will also be illegal, on pain of even death, to refuse to observe Sunday as a day of rest, or to observe any other day apart from Sunday. The Beast and his cohorts will claim that GOD is angry with the world, and that calamities and disasters and wars and famines are upon the earth because men do not observe Sunday as a day of rest.

Then there will be a small group of "dissidents" who will choose to obey GOD and keep the true Sabbath, rather than to obey man. They will be labelled as trouble makers, imprisoned and finally killed.
Apocalyptic pessimism.
The world order has consistently proved all these Biblical hogwash, to be pessimistic views, that are brewed from idiocy.
Christianity EtcRe: Apostle Suleman's 3-Day Program 'Minister Without Blemish' Starts (Photo) by akintom(m): 4:12pm On Mar 11, 2017
THE PARABLE OF OT'OBO AND SULEIMAN

How come this apostle Suleiman didn't add this obscene movie script, to the prophetic gibberish he released this year?

And if Suleiman is anything close to being "spiritually powerful" as he claimed, this press release is needless. All Suleiman needed to do is command ot'OBO to become deaf and dumb.

After the order of apostle Elijah, who is coincidentally bald headed like Suleiman.
Christianity EtcRe: Keyamo Plotting To Clone My Voice, Kill Stephanie Otobo – Apostle Suleman by akintom(m): 3:55pm On Mar 11, 2017
How come this apostle, didn't add this obscene movie script to the prophetic gibberish he released this year?

And if Suleiman is anything close to being "spiritually powerful" as he claimed, this press release is needless. All Suleiman needed to do is command ot'OBO to become deaf and dumb.

After the order of apostle Elijah, who is coincidentally bald headed like Suleiman.
Christianity EtcRe: 17 Kinds Of Atheism by akintom(op): 11:45am On Mar 11, 2017
4everGod:
Did anybody tie your tongue and stop you from boasting in atheism? Was my boast yours? Why do you want me to retract it so badly? WHY ARE YOU BEING THE COWARD ON MY BEHALF?

Your threads are devoid of content. Maybe you need to ask yourself why nobody pays you any mind here on NL. You open threads and you alone patronise it.

Buffoonery at its peak.
There's no way you will not boast foolishly, especially when you now type with your tongue.

Your position among the apologists, whose organ for reasoning suffers perforation, is now raised to power 7. Enjoy your elevation into emptiness.
Christianity EtcRe: 17 Kinds Of Atheism by akintom(op): 11:13am On Mar 11, 2017
4everGod:
I guess you do not know that a boast is never cowardly.

Cretinous Jesters masquerading as atheists. You belong on comedy central.

Your post is to help your Jester lot because all of them are confused when it comes to what atheism is. Hit the slow motion botton and read your OP again and see how s much confusion is running riot in it. lmao
You keep presenting an example of how dumb the apologists are, especially the NL herd. No other new word better describes the depth of the dysfunctional state of the minds, as far as intelligence is concerned, than being called christards.

An illusionary boast, that you can't come out to defend, when you were called out, is not foolishness and cowardice?

You see, among all the coward apologists on NL, you deserve highest position.

Why haven't you been coming here with the moniker (damogul), with which you committed that infantile ranting?

Until you withdraw that foolish boast, you have no honest and intelligent justification to participate in discussions that requires the participation of sane minds.
Christianity EtcRe: Collection Of Thought Patterns That Created God(s) Idea by akintom(op): 10:22am On Mar 11, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
Let me reiterate. With my limited knowledge and my physical senses I have the evidence of God's existence as I have said earlier. When I look at a building, how do I know that there was a builder? I couldn't want a better evidence that there was a builder than to have the building in front of me. I don't even need faith to know that there was a builder. All I need are eyes that can see and a brain that can think.

The same principle applies to the existence of God. When I look at creation, how can I know that there was a Creator? Creation reveals to me that there is a Creator. I couldn't want a better evidence that there is a Creator than to have the creation in front of me. I don't need faith to believe in a Creator, all I need are eyes that can see and a brain that can think.

"For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse" (Romans 1:20).

But if I want the builder to do something for me, then I need to have faith in the builder. Likewise God, for

"Without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him" (Hebrews 11:6).

If you need to know more about the Creator you need faith based on His Word and World. cool
Christianity EtcRe: Absence Of Evidence Is Evidence Of Absence by akintom(op): 9:17am On Mar 11, 2017
Wilgrea7:
.. it was nice having a discission with you.. thanks for your patience and time... it was really nice...
Same here brother.
Christianity EtcRe: Maybe The 'men Of God' Are Men Of Preek Afterall by akintom(m): 9:12am On Mar 11, 2017
geoworldedu:
The highest rate of sex scandal isn't mentioned from Hinduism or from the traditional worships. They are mentioned from the Christendom. They are called pastors. Their mission is to use their weapon 'preek' to pierce anything in skirt. They are so many from Reverend King to Apostle apari(Elisha) Suleiman. We have countless number of them, involving in one sex scandal to the other. They don't give rest to their manhood. They jump from one woman to another. Maybe they're following their leader(Christ) in that aspect. We know how Jesus and Mary did it together (the book of Otemanuduno can attest to this).

My conclusion is that the pastors are showing their true colours when they womanize. grin cheesy

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The Christian and Islamic religion have the most pungently odious sexual misdemeanors:

*prophet sexually abusing as young as below 10 yrs old girl

* David creeping on another man's wife, killed the husband and possessed the woman. Yet Yahweh didn't punish David, but rather went after innocent folks.

* blooded men and women, in the name of celibacy, will in self delusion, claim to denying the body, of its normal physiological activity of sex. But it's known that they not only indulge in sexual act, but are involved in other psychopathic sexual acts.

* the god of the Abrahamic religion, is extremely jobless and creepy, to the point of peeping on two consenting adults during sexual act.
Christianity EtcRe: 17 Kinds Of Atheism by akintom(op): 8:51am On Mar 11, 2017
4everGod:
Just like we have a Brood of Vipers or a Herd of Cows, Your topic should read THE CONFUSION OF ATHEISM!

Or THE CACOPHONY OF ATHEISM.

Court Jesters you all are!
grin grin grin
This piece was posted here, to help the chronic lack of broader knowledge acquiring capacity, of the religious folks, especially the christards.

A hydramoniker(damogul/naijadeyhia/4everGod1/4everGod /damagepbuh) like your type, who unabashedly and cowardly boasted here on NL, that his coward and desert dwelling Idol, can grow amputated limb back, should be hiding in oblivion.
Christianity Etc17 Kinds Of Atheism by akintom(op): 7:26am On Mar 11, 2017
‘Atheism’ is a much simpler concept than ‘Christianity’ or ‘Hinduism’, but the word atheism is still used in a wide variety of ways.

This can cause confusion. Someone may announce that she is an atheist, and her listeners may assume she is one type of atheist, when really she is a different type of atheist.

So to clear things up, here are 17 kinds of atheism, organized into 7 sets. Some kinds of atheism can be combined in a person, and some cannot. For example, it is perfectly consistent to be an agnostic, narrow, friendly atheist. But one cannot simultaneously be both a passive atheist and a militant atheist.

This list is not definitive. There are many ways to organize and label different kinds of atheism.

For brevity’s sake, I have substituted “gods” for the usual phrase “God or gods.”


1. Difference in Knowledge

A gnostic atheist not only believes there are no gods, he also claims to know there are no gods.

An agnostic atheist doesn’t believe in gods, but doesn’t claim to know there are no gods.

2. Difference in Affirmation

A negative atheist merely lacks a belief in gods. He is also called a weak atheist or an implicit atheist.

A positive atheist not only lacks a belief in gods, but also affirms that no gods exist. He is also called a strong atheist or an explicit atheist.

3. Difference in Scope

A broad atheist denies the existence of all gods: Zeus, Thor, Yahweh, Shiva, and so on.

A narrow atheist denies the existence of the traditional Western omni-God who is all-good, all-knowing, and all-powerful.

4. Difference in the Assessed Rationality of Theism

An unfriendly atheist believes no one is justified in believing that gods exist.

An indifferent atheist doesn’t have a belief on whether or not others are justified in believing that gods exist.

A friendly atheist believes that some theists are justified in believing that gods exist.

5. Difference in Openness

A closet atheist has not yet revealed his disbelief to most people.

An open atheist has revealed his disbelief to most people.

6. Difference in Action

A passive atheist doesn’t believe in god but doesn’t try to influence the world in favor of atheism.

An evangelical atheist tries to persuade others to give up theistic belief.

An active atheist labors on behalf of causes that specifically benefit atheists (but not necessarily just atheists). For example, he strives against discrimination toward atheists, or he strives in favor of separation of church and state.

A militant atheist uses violence to promote atheism or destroy religion. (Often, the term “militant atheist” is misapplied to non-violent evangelical atheists like Richard Dawkins. But to preserve the parallel with the “militant Christian” who bombs abortion clinics or the “militant Muslim” suicide bomber, I prefer the definition of “militant atheist” that assumes acts of violence.)

7. Difference in Religiosity

A religious atheist practices religion but does not believe in gods.

A non-religious atheist does not practice religion.

Of course, there are many more “kinds” of atheism than this, for one may be a Republican atheist or a Democratic atheist, a short atheist or a tall atheist, a Caucasian atheist or an Hispanic atheist, a foundationalist atheist or a coherentist atheist, an enchanted atheist or a disenchanted atheist.


http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=6487
Christianity EtcRe: Absence Of Evidence Is Evidence Of Absence by akintom(op): 10:32pm On Mar 10, 2017
Wilgrea7:
you're looking at this issue from your side... and I from mine... so lets face the fact... we won't get anywhere with this... lucid dreaming was just one of the examples i gave... i gave it based on my experience with it... i also gave revelations as an example... also, some messages coming from the spirit plane.. OBEs and astral projections are examples.. all these i gave are proofs of our spiritual nature.. but if you've not experienced nor known anyone who experienced it, there will be no amount of evidence that would be substantial enough for you d
this will be my last response on this point. I have approached this your "proof" of spiritual plane, from rational, honest and intelligent angles.

Whatever you called "proofs" remain empty, as long as they can't be subjected to scientific probe or that science has provided explanations for.





Wilgrea7:
ok... science hasn't reached the capacity to explain it.. i agree... so i should discard it because science can't explain it?? if science explains it properly, as well as many other things termed supernatural, then I'd openly swallow my non-existent pride and accept the truth(not claim) of science
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I never said "science hasn't reached the CAPACITY to explain it....". Do well not to quote me falsely.

You are at liberty to hold on to what has no scientific explanation, but you can't push that to me as real or fact. They remain your personal experience, that can't qualify for reference.



Wilgrea7:
not completely... u can look it up ononw google... science hasn't comprehended dreams 100%.. there is still much they don't know and agree they don't know.. its even there in the link i posted earlier
d
l never said completely. It will be okay for you to slowly read my response and understand my argument before responding.

I never said science knows all there's about dream 100%. I said what science knows now, is sufficient for them to conclude that dream is a neurophysiological activity, and not supernatural.


Wilgrea7:
I'll say it again... dreams have not been fully understood by science
d
i never told you that science "fully"understood dream yet. But that which is known about dream now, doesn't suggest it's supernatural phenomenon.

Wilgrea7:
the universe clearly shows it had a beginning.. so it was not uncaused.. i don't have time to start explaining the flaws of the big bang... i don't know how else to simplify it for you... the universe is clear evidence that it didn't come by mistake.d
Am not about to debate any of the proposed theories, of the possible origin of life with you.

What i asked you is simple. If you claimed that the universe was created, my question to you is - how did you know that?

And if you can't explain the how, by using scientific approach, don't border. As am very familiar with all the circularity dance.


Wilgrea7:
God and the holy spirit are not doctrinal ideas... its their attributes and properties that are doctrinal ideas
d
So far, religious folks have related with mere attributes of god idea. A claim of a personal god is an empty one. Perhaps another name for god created by indoctrination, will be a mythological god.


Wilgrea7:
and if i may ask how did you arrive at this conclusion... you're running back to the whole “science can explain"...yet you claim its still evolving.... giving you instances won't prove anything cuz they are just instances... there are people with experiences that science can't explain.. the highest they can call them are delusions.. and that's for people who are too proud to admit they don't know... honest science says “i don't know" to things they don't understand
Of course, claiming that one hears and sees, what can't be established with the use of sense, is grand delusion.
Christianity EtcRe: Absence Of Evidence Is Evidence Of Absence by akintom(op): 8:06pm On Mar 10, 2017
Wilgrea7:
you still don't understand my point.. we are just turning in circles... you need substantial/physical evidence for something spiritual.... it won't work... i gave you examples of revelations and message but i can't give you the physical or scientific evidence... i already told you the best way to get evidence is through experience.. i understand the science part of dreams... n
Dream, vision (eg revelation), trance are all natural neurophysiological activities. They have been induced and studied in labs.

These activities are natural, they can't be evidence of "spiritual plane".

I can as well tell you that the ability of mosquitoes to suck blood, is an evidence of blood sucking demons.

Endeavor to understand the word "substantial evidence".

Wilgrea7:
but even science cannot and has not fully comprehended dreams... its still one of the top 10 things science can't fully explain
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You obviously don't understand what science is. Science is a dynamically evolving field of knowledge.

You're wrong to have said "... That science CAN'T explain...". Science says "on this subject, we don't yet have FULL explanation". This doesn't mean the same thing as "can't".

What science can't explain, is anything that can't be probed. Dream has been probed, and it's been understood to a conclusive level.

Science reaches conclusion, based on the extent to which research has delved.

Based on the level of research on dream, it's accepted as an established fact, that dream is an electrochemical phenomenon of the brain. There's nothing supernatural about it.

Whatever on going research may be looking at, are other factors that might explain the mechanism of dream, in a more easy to understand ways.


Wilgrea7:
if you mean physical/scientific evidence then no... except God tho... the universe is evidence of a creator
n
How did you know that the universe was created?

In case you want to reply this, kindly Google the operative meaning of "substantial evidence".




Wilgrea7:
apart from God and holy spirit, the rest are doctrines... and yes... their basis is faith.. but i never claimed to have an experience with adam and eve or original sin... those are doctrines formed based on belief.. they are not the foundation or basis of belief per say..
n
god and Holy Spirit are doctrinal ideas.

That's the reason for variance in what they (god and holy Spirit) mean, to different religious groups (even within the Christian religion).


Wilgrea7:
no... cuz I'm not in control of them..
Then those claimed "miracle" can be Scientifically explained, if the events are subjected to investigation. At best, they are coincidence.
Christianity EtcRe: Absence Of Evidence Is Evidence Of Absence by akintom(op): 5:20pm On Mar 10, 2017
Wilgrea7:
your opinion.... now contrary to what you said earlier, you seem to be the one wanting to disprove the experience..
It appears you don't have the operative understanding, of the words "proof, prove, existence and experience".

What you claimed to be the "proof" of spiritual plane is lucid dream. And what i did to your claim is to call it "empty", because there's nothing to "disprove". You know why?

A proof must have substance, for it to qualify as proof.

Dream is a substantial proof of one of the many electrochemical activities of the brain. This has been Scientifically been established in the lab.



Wilgrea7:
no... people can have experiences without faith.. faith is a part of religious beliefs cuz they have no other way to believe what they believe than through faith... blind faith is when you accept regardless of evidence whatsoever and follow it blindly.. there are people that have seen reasons beyond blind faith to continue in their beliefs
This is nauseatingly incoherent. Religious faith is a precursor of religious experience, period!

Do you have substantial evidence for the following:

*God?
*Adam and eve?
*original sin?
*holy spirit?

All the experiences attributed to the above concept are based on faith, nothing more.



Wilgrea7:
many... being shot without a scratch, being pronounced clinically dead and coming back to life, instantaneous healing.. not the “i had headache and it was gone" type.. I'm talking of critical illnesses vanishing within a second.. not placebo... i mean permanent healing.. religions refer to it as divine healing.... and lots more
can you repeat the above claims? Under observation?



Wilgrea7:
my only authority on it is the experience I've had.. I've gotten revelations... I've had dreams concerning many things.. I've felt spirit entities... so my only authority on that is the little experience i had..
Go learn the operative meaning of citing authority.
Christianity EtcRe: Absence Of Evidence Is Evidence Of Absence by akintom(op): 11:09am On Mar 10, 2017
Wilgrea7:
again on the evidence which has to be physical to prove something spiritual... anyways, the best evidence someone can truly have is experience... not actually faith .
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Experience = Anecdotes, and Anecdotes are mere subliminal phenomenon, that don't establish anything, other electrochemical activities of the brain.

There's nothing called religious beliefs outside faith (blind acceptance of claims without and against reasons).

It's this mentality, that create whatever experiences that religious folks fool around with.

Meaning, god idea and religion, exist only within the sphere of BLIND FAITH .



Wilgrea7:
no ... i don't do that “prove its not real" something... the burden of proof is on me... the only way someone can prove the spiritual is either by personal experience (this is the best) or by effects of the spiritual on the physical, defying science(miracles).. when i say miracles i don't mean the hoo haa of i prayed and got the job etc.. that's why i emphasized on defying science..
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Can you please mention just one "miracle" that defies scientific explanation?



Wilgrea7:
dreams are normal... yes... some dreams can be caused by what we focus our minds on, or what we watch/see or on the other hand, on spiritual factors.. humans sometimes have revelations.. dreams deeper than just everyday thinking.. someone with the experience will attest to it.. someone without experience would probably deny it.. that's why i said experience is the best evidence someone can get of the spiritual
You don't still get it. How could you be claiming that some dreams are based on "spiritual factors"?

What's your authority on this claim?
Christianity EtcRe: The Shameful Display Of Hypocrisy By NL Theists by akintom(m): 10:22am On Mar 10, 2017
They are all bunch of dishonest and unintelligent cowards.

Christianity EtcRe: Absence Of Evidence Is Evidence Of Absence by akintom(op): 9:29am On Mar 10, 2017
By Frank Fernandez

This is your first problem. Atheist don't say that there's no god. Atheists say that they don't believe the claim that God exists. These are two very different things. One is the rejection of a positive claim. The other is a positive claim. Someone who says they don't believe in a God has no need to disprove the God claim. The burden of proof lies on the person making the claim. If you claim that a god does exist then it's YOUR job to prove it. It's not the other person's job to prove it false. If someone says the there is no God, they are now making a claim that does carry a burden of proof. But we atheists don't claim that God, in fact, does not exist. We simply reject the claims that one does. So you can toss all the word salads you want. But you're not gonna pin the burden of proof on us. You claim that God is real, then it's your job to prove it. Plain and simple.
Christianity EtcRe: Absence Of Evidence Is Evidence Of Absence by akintom(op): 9:27am On Mar 10, 2017
By Cody Reisdorf

The word "proof" in English means "a convincing argument". And scientifically speaking, yes, we've proved the gods and goddesses that humans have dreamed up over the ages.

We are faced with two hypotheses. In the older one the universe was made for us by a supernatural agent, who gave rules about how to behave, a story about where we and everything else came from, and so on. In the newer hypothesis the universe is the result of natural laws.

We have not just a dearth of evidence for the former hypothesis, we have enormous evidence for the latter. Worse, the latter hypothesis doesn't just explain the universe and the evidence for it, it also gives us a good idea about the origins of the first hypothesis itself.

For example, humans wrote the holy books at a time when no one had any idea how anything worked. But evolution had shaped them (and all animals) to keep their eyes peeled for agents, and it biased them towards making type I errors (false positives) and against making type II errors (false negatives). This happened because mistaking the breeze for a lion has a relatively low cost, mistaking a lion for the breeze will cost you your life.

So early humans were naturally fashioned to look for agency, and when natural phenomena occurred, they misattributed it to a supernatural agent, and they gave these super natural agents very human attributes. Humans can be jealous, and demand worship, and seek revenge. So naturally they assumed that when lighting struck tall objects it must mean the god(s) were angry at you for something. (Now we know it's due to the electrical potential of the atmosphere.) When a volcano erupted, or the earth quaked, or a tsunami wiped out a costal region, or a famine or flood came, it was all interpreted as the wrath of some unimaginably powerful agent. Now we know about plate tectonics and weather, and we know those are entirely natural phenomena now.

Consciousness and death have always been mysterious, but after decades of case studies of brain injuries, brain diseases, and brain surgeries, it is clear that the brain is the origin of consciousness, and that when the brain ceases to function, we cease to exist and individuals. Scientifically speaking, we've proven there are no gods or goddesses as imagined by humans, we've proven there is no afterlife, we've proven that humans are one branch of the primate tree and that we are all related to all other known life.

People argue with me all the time, using various solipsistic type arguments to suggest we can't know anything besides our own existence, or things like that. I'll admit philosophically that stuff is true, but practically speaking it's worse than useless. And like I said, scientifically speaking this stuff is proven, firmly established. As well as any other scientific conclusion, like the Earth being approximately spherical, or matter being made of atoms.
Christianity EtcRe: Absence Of Evidence Is Evidence Of Absence by akintom(op): 9:09am On Mar 10, 2017
Russell's teapot
Analogy coined by Bertrand Russell
Russell's teapot, sometimes called the celestial teapot or cosmic teapot, is an analogy, coined by the philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872–1970), to illustrate that the philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making scientifically unfalsifiable claims, rather than shifting the burden of disproof to others. Russell specifically applied his analogy in the context of religion.[1] He wrote that if he were to assert, without offering proof, that a teapot orbits the Sun somewhere in space between the Earth and Mars, he could not expect anyone to believe him solely because his assertion could not be proven wrong. Russell's teapot is still invoked in discussions concerning the existence of God, and in various other contexts.

Origins of the analogy
In an article titled "Is There a God?" commissioned, but never published, by Illustrated magazine in 1952, Russell wrote:

Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.[2]

In 1958, Russell elaborated on the analogy

I ought to call myself an agnostic; but, for all practical purposes, I am an atheist. I do not think the existence of the Christian God any more probable than the existence of the Gods of Olympus or Valhalla. To take another illustration: nobody can prove that there is not between the Earth and Mars a china teapot revolving in an elliptical orbit, but nobody thinks this sufficiently likely to be taken into account in practice. I think the Christian God just as unlikely.[3]

Similar analogies
Other thinkers have posited similar analogies.[improper synthesis?] For example, J. B. Bury notes the following in his 1913 book, History of Freedom of Thought:

Some people speak as if we were not justified in rejecting a theological doctrine unless we can prove it false. But the burden of proof does not lie upon the rejecter.... If you were told that in a certain planet revolving around Sirius there is a race of donkeys who speak the English language and spend their time in discussing eugenics, you could not disprove the statement, but would it, on that account, have any claim to be believed? Some minds would be prepared to accept it, if it were reiterated often enough, through the potent force of suggestion.[4]

Analysis
Chemist Peter Atkins said that the point of Russell's teapot is that there is no burden on anyone to disprove assertions. Occam's razor suggests that the simpler theory with fewer assertions (e.g. a universe with no supernatural beings) should be the starting point in the discussion rather than the more complex theory.[5] Atkins states that this argument does not appeal to religious people because, unlike scientific evidence, religious evidence is said to be experienced through personal revelation that cannot be conveyed or objectively verified.

In his books A Devil's Chaplain (2003) and The God Delusion (2006), ethologist Richard Dawkins used the teapot as an analogy of an argument against what he termed "agnostic conciliation", a policy of intellectual appeasement that allows for philosophical domains that concern exclusively religious matters.[6] Science has no way of establishing the existence or non-existence of a god. Therefore, according to the agnostic conciliator, because it is a matter of individual taste, belief and disbelief in a supreme being are deserving of equal respect and attention. Dawkins presents the teapot as a reductio ad absurdum of this position: if agnosticism demands giving equal respect to the belief and disbelief in a supreme being, then it must also give equal respect to belief in an orbiting teapot, since the existence of an orbiting teapot is just as plausible scientifically as the existence of a supreme being.[7]


In 2014, philosopher Alvin Plantinga was quoted in The New York Times as challenging the validity of the Russell's Teapot argument:

Clearly we have a great deal of evidence against teapotism. For example, as far as we know, the only way a teapot could have gotten into orbit around the sun would be if some country with sufficiently developed space-shot capabilities had shot this pot into orbit. No country with such capabilities is sufficiently frivolous to waste its resources by trying to send a teapot into orbit. Furthermore, if some country had done so, it would have been all over the news; we would certainly have heard about it. But we haven’t. And so on. There is plenty of evidence against teapotism.[8]

Parody
The concept of Russell's teapot has been extrapolated into more explicitly religion-parodying forms such as the Invisible Pink Unicorn[7] and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.[9] 1960s musician and psychedelic poet Daevid Allen created his Planet Gong Universe and the Flying Teapot Trilogy around the idea of a Flying Teapot and refers to Russell's Teapot in his book Gong Dreaming.
Christianity EtcRe: Absence Of Evidence Is Evidence Of Absence by akintom(op): 8:53am On Mar 10, 2017
Wilgrea7:
I'm a Christian... although liberal... i believe we all have a spiritual nature and we just have to figure out how to use it... things like lucid dreamings are evidence for our spiritual nature... personally i think selfless love has a role to play in our natural intuition into the spiritual plane..
Two things here;

* you just believe. That's OK, because believe in the Christian religion concept, don't require substantial evidence offering.

*but now that you presented "substantial evidence" of lucid dream, you're delving into the irritating acts of most apologists here, who in one instance says it's by faith (no physical and substantial evidence is required) and in the same instance go ahead to argue that such claims by faith must be proved to be false, by atheists.

A Google search on the neurophysiology basis of dream, will show you that it has nothing to do with "spiritual plane".
Christianity EtcRe: In The Waiting - While I'm Waiting by akintom(m): 7:36am On Mar 10, 2017
Ranchhoddas:
The kids are being guilted into thinking they have hurt Jesus by 'darting' his image. This guilt causes them to want to make amends and as such, they are roped further and further into religion. Very simple but effective tactic I must say.
What else can i say. And just because it's natural to humans to forever continue to "dart Jesus", the entanglement gets increasingly fettered.

This is the process that culminate in Christians, calling themselves "wretched criminals".

This is after they have exhausted the hope, of ever attaining that illusionary state of "sinlessness".
Christianity EtcRe: Absence Of Evidence Is Evidence Of Absence by akintom(op): 9:27pm On Mar 09, 2017
Wilgrea7:
you didn't ask spiritual method... u asked for what spiritual is... anyways... the spiritual method unlike the physical method that deals with processes.... all you have to do is get a connection to the spiritual plane.. to be conscious there... different religions have different ways they claim to connect to the spiritual
Using the religion that you belong, how do you connect to the spiritual plane?

What nature is the consciousness in the spiritual plane?
Christianity EtcRe: Absence Of Evidence Is Evidence Of Absence by akintom(op): 6:55pm On Mar 09, 2017
Wilgrea7:
a spirit is a supernatural being.. it may or may not have a physical form..

spiritual means something above the physical
I couldn't possibly be asking you for the dictionary meaning. Google will do it perfectly.

I had asked you, based on your earlier proposition, that the existence of god can be evidenced by "spiritual" method.

It's in relation to this, that i asked you, what this "spiritual" method is.
Christianity EtcRe: In The Waiting - While I'm Waiting by akintom(m): 5:38pm On Mar 09, 2017
bennyann:
The Dart Test

A young lady named Sally relates an experience she had in a seminary class given by her teacher, Dr. Smith. She says that Dr. Smith was known for his elaborate object lessons.
One particular day, Sally walked into the seminary and knew they were in for a fun day.

On the wall was a big target, and on a nearby table were many darts. Dr. Smith told the students to draw a picture of someone that they disliked or someone who had made them angry, and he would allow them to throw darts at the person's picture.

Sally's friend drew a picture of a girl who had stolen her boyfriend. Another friend drew a picture of his little brother. Sally drew a picture of a former friend, putting a great deal of detail into her drawing, even drawing pimples on the face. Sally was pleased with the overall effect she had achieved.

The class lined up and began throwing darts. Some of the students threw their darts with such force that their targets were ripping apart. Sally looked forward to her turn, and was filled with disappointment when Dr. Smith, because of time limits, asked the students to return to their seats. As Sally sat thinking about how angry she was because she didn't have a chance to throw any darts at her target. Dr. Smith began removing the target from the wall.

Underneath the target was a picture of Jesus. A hush fell over the room as each student viewed the mangled picture of Jesus; holes and jagged marks covered His face, and His eyes were pierced.

Dr. Smith said only these words, "In as much as ye have done it unto the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto Me." Matthew 25:40

No other words were necessary; the tears filled eyes of the students focused only on the picture of Christ.
http://varietyreading.carlsguides.com/christian-stories/hate.php
Just the story type in childhood, that captured our innocent and pliable minds, into the illusion of Christian religion sphere.

Man shall not make sense of his maturity, just by mind numbing doses of flushes alone, but by every rational thought.
Christianity EtcRe: Absence Of Evidence Is Evidence Of Absence by akintom(op): 5:18pm On Mar 09, 2017
Wilgrea7:
Absence of Evidence is not evidence of absence... a couple centuries ago, there was no evidence for other planets... but since we advanced, we were able to find out that other planets exist... so what sayest thou? that those planets existed not? .. my point is, for the fact you've not been able to prove or falsify something doesn't make it non existent... it just means that you are the one who needs to prove it... there are 2 reasons i believe science cannot be used to prove the existence of a figure-like God

1.. science deals with only naturalistic and physical things and theists believe God to be spiritual so saying that because a natural process could not prove a supernatural thing then the supernatural thing doesn't exist is like saying since walking can't make you fly then flying is impossible..

2. Science deals with physical laws and theists and deists through logical reasoning agree that for an all supreme creator to create all these laws, then it is not bound by the laws.. so using the laws to prove/disprove the existence of God is like using the codes used to write a computer to determine the exact writer of the codes... the codes on a computer are evidence that they were written by someone so also the laws of the universe are evidence that they were put there


my point is, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence and science(which the OP claims to be the means of all verification) is inadequate when it comes to proving the existence of God
The article is simple enough to understand the drift. My question to you is -

*. What is spirit or spiritual?

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