1Sharon:

So your god didn't create them?

He did. But they are not obeying him.

1Sharon:
Bill Gates no dey pay tithes

Dangote doesn't pay tithes

They are not children of God, so it's not expected of them. They will pay what's bigger than tithes in time to come

OkCornel:


Everyone, beware of this dubious fornicator that goes around patronising prostitutes. He’s scared of getting exposed, that’s why he has no guts to quote my moniker.


Please open the scriptures and show us specifically where God demanded for money as tithes!

Show us where God made it mandatory for non-Jews to tithe before He blesses them.

Let’s see who the dubious liar is here.

To expose you for the fraud that you are,


A) Abraham gave a tithe of warspoils, NOT ALL THE POSSESSIONS HE HAD! Warspoils only.


Hebrews 7 v1-4;

1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.


B) Abraham gave tithe after he was blessed and was prosperous. He didn’t tithe for financial breakthrough like you tithe mongers dubiously preached!

C) Abraham never tithed to avoid any filthy devourer.






Please open the scriptures and SHOW US WHERE GOD DEMANDED FOR MONEY AS TITHES!


I’M ALSO WAITING FOR SCRIPTURAL EXAMPLES OF NON-JEWS (ESPECIALLY CHRISTIANS) THAT TITHED!

A Satanist will always do the bidding of his father who is the father of lies.

Curse be you and your children born or unborn if I patronized prostitutes as you claim. Amen. For Everytime you falsely accused me, the curse doubles.


Abraham was only recorded to have paid tithe once, that's because the Bible can't be all about the amount of times Abraham paid tithe. There were other stories most especially about him that needed to be told. Mind you, God himself stated that Abraham kept his command and his laws. As we all know, tithing is God's law.

Genesis 26:5
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

As seen above, Abraham didn't just obey the commandment of tithing just once, he KEPT it as stated by God, which means he kept doing it. Expecting to see where else Abraham paid tithe asides that he did with the spoils of war is your own foolish cup of tea. God has spoken and he said Abraham kept on obeying the tithe commandment. So, no one cares what Satan's child thinks.

A Satan's child wants to see where God specifically commanded tithing for the gentiles. Are you daft? Haven't I shown you in my previous post? I see, you are applying that tactics of yours that sees you repeating already trashed questions of yours.

Perhaps, you didn't see it because you were fixated on falsely accusing me of patronizing prostitutes, something you can't defend with your life because you know it is just a falsehood you use in trying to deflect people away from my messages.

But when I call you a Satanist, I can defend it. I am not even the only one on this forum who call you a confirmed child of Satan sent here to deceive many. Moreover, I've given you several chances to deny you are a Satanist. But you always run away from taking up the challenge because you know the consequence. Now go back to my previous post because I don't have time to waste scriptures on satan's dog

Expect no response from henceforth. If you need any response, go through my thread or dig into my posts of years ago like you always foolishly do. I think I'm some kind of celebrity to you going by how you always scrutinize my over 5000 comments on this forum.

The satanic liar above claims tithing was never money. He also quoted a Bible verse to show that tithing was only agricultural produce. That's a lie because the first time tithing was mentioned in the Bible, it didn't even mention it to be agricultural produce but something which is paid from ALL things one possesses.

Genesis 14:20
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all

As seen above, nowhere in the first time tithe was mentioned in the Bible is it stated that it is only agricultural produce. It's says "tithes of all". All means all, and all is all what all means. This means that money could have been part of what Abraham paid as "tithes of all" as much as agricultural produce could have been.

Luke 18:12
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

The man in the parable above by Jesus Christ gave a tithe of all he possessed, which definitely must include money. Jesus Christ never scolded him for that. That was a good opportunity for Jesus to point out that tithe doesn't include money, but he didn't because it would contradict the tithe Abraham paid in the verse far above. Abraham's pattern of paying "tithes of all" is exactly what the man in the parable followed. If Jesus had scolded him, then it means Jesus had contradicted the prophets of old.

Mathew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

The clown is also asking for scriptural reference to where God mandated tithing for gentiles. Is God a racist that he gives different standards to the Israelites and the gentiles? No. All we have is God, his people (Jew or gentile) and the wicked.

As long as you belong to God's people, you are held by one standard which is what he's been using from day one.

Malachi 3:6 (KJV)
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.


God doesn't change. What he gave as standard to the children of Israel is the same given to the gentiles who believe in his son and have now become his children too.

Dear friends, Satan's agents and children who have mastered the art of using the Bible to lie are currently on the prowl. They have deceived many against paying tithe by twisting scriptures knowing fully well that people don't read the Bible.

Beware of them.

Why are the Imams dressed like that when they knew they were going to the crusade to get converted?

It feels of stage-managed conversion to fool the gullible.

Moreover, it's an abomination for a woman to speak in a congregation of God's people. Look at the way she's even dressed, wearing what pertains to a man - trouser. She's even rocking jewelries in a loud manner. I see nothing modest about her because she's going contrary to what Apostle Paul advised Christian women to do.

The above is why I don't believe any conversion took place. The Holy Spirit is not in that woman, or how else can anyone explain her blatant disobedience to the word of God against women preachers?

Eviana:



You implied it sir.

You know what you are doing with this thread.
Your whole message basically is telling women that they are "cursed" for not submitting to their husbands.
Then you put the "lord" scripture last...
You are quite intelligent.
You didn't properly give the entire submission/respect/obedience relationship between husband and wife.
You also used "feminism" in a twisted sort of way.
It's okay though.
You have a right to your "own" perspective

Nowhere did I nor the verse I quoted state that wives must call their husband Lord. The verse is simply admonishing wives to treat their husband as Lord. That is required of them if they are to be called daughters of Sarah.

GoodBadandUgly:


You haven't read your bible and it's very clear.

it also says :
We should throw babies at rocks for the blessing of God.
We shouldn't wear two fabrics.
Stone girls if you find out they're not virgins.
Not to eat pork or shellfish.
If someone rapes your daughter, they should pay you some money to marry her.
cutting the hair on the side of your head.
Manufacturing anointing oil.
Working on the sabbath.
Being in a town that believes in another God is forbidden.
Your parents can kill you if you're disobedient.

ARE YOU ALSO WILLING TO ACCEPT THESE AS ADVICE? OR ARE YOU READY TO BE A HYPOCRITE BY PICKING AND CHOOSING?

You have foolishly concentrated on the twisted Bible verses which you have been deceived with, instead of begging for knowledge to understand them. You sound like someone who digs his nose into the Bible looking for reasons not to believe in it. Guess what? You will find because you have worn googles to help you see wrongly.

LilMissFavvy:
This is a great input. Submission is good, but when this people keep sounding like a woman should be turned into a slave without a say, it sounds awful, the description is pure slavery.

Where in the entire OP is it stated that women should be turned into slaves? Your disobedience to the word of God is making you see things wrongly. That's why you think submit means slavery. This is caused by the fact that you don't want to obey God's command for the woman to submit to her husband in the union of marriage which he first instituted.

jesusjnr:
Genesis 3:16 (KJV)

16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

The curse of sin has been broken by Jesus. So any man who after knowing this, yet tries to subject the woman to the bondage and curse of sin that Jesus already delivered her from would reap what he sows.

God bless.

Mr heretic, go and ask your mother if she didn't feel birth pains when she had you.

Daejoyoung:

The bible also says submit to one another, so submit here may not hold the special meaning you think it holds. Humility is required of everyone, but then you must learn to read the bible properly.

Wives submit to your husband is a teaching, and it comes from that time and day, marriage today is not what it used to be then, because then women were of a lower class.

The guys who wrote the bible, though inspired, also revealed their humanity in these books, and Holyspirit allowed it, probably because he doesn't want us to worship these books.

The submit to one another which the Bible spoke of is about Christians in the church. It is not about married couples. The command the Bible gives on regard married couples is that the wife should submit to her husband, not the husband submitting to the wife.

Ephesians 5:21-25 King James Version (KJV)
21Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

If you say verse 21 is a command for husbands to also submit to their wife, then it would mean that the Jesus Christ should also submit to whatever the church wants which is contrary to verse 23.

The people who wrote the Bible never inputted their humanity into it. The Bible is solely the inspired word of God. The Holy Spirit never allowed anything as claimed by you, and also he wants us to worship the word of God in the Bible.

Mind you, women of those days were not of lower class. Stop saying junk and sounding authoritative at the same time.

Eviana:
Hmmmm...kinda interesting topic.
Not sure I agree with the title.
Looks like you did a "play-on-words" sort of thing here.
This caught my eye because I actually had made reference (on another thread) to a few women in the Bible calling their husbands "lord".
I think I need to clarify that a little better.

However, let me address the word "feminisim" in a Godly marriage.
I'm not sure that the term fits or is being used properly.
I know Nigerians are obsessed with the use of the word and use it so frequently and broadly to label any woman--regardless of religion or not--and who (has a personality/voice) of her own-- as one.
That is quite unfortunate.
The secular use of the word feminism should not be used in a non-secular situation. Op you are directly doing that, although you say you are not.
I can also understand women wanting to be treated fairly...(although that is a topic for another time and section).
The scripture the OP was referring to was the following:

1 Peter 3:6 (KJV)
6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

The OP, I believe, was saying that Christian women in marriages should be obeying their husbands.
He went a step further and said that by NOT calling their husbands "lord" , they are basically placing a curse on themselves.
I disagree.
I think that we, sometimes, take scripture out of context to justify certain behaviors, rather than praying for true understanding and wisdom.
We should look at the use of the term, "lord" in the broader scope.
I initially thought that women were calling their husbands "lord" regularly. (Ex. "Lord Abraham" or "Lord David" etc.,)
I do not, now, believe that is what was meant by what Sarah did. I don't think she did that.
I think she was honoring her husband's head-ship over the household. Respecting and honoring him as the spiritual leader over their family...of course as he was led by the Creator...Christ.

Ephesians 5:22-25 (KJV)

22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it

As the scriptures state, their is a mutual "submission" /respect to each other. Both genders need to do something in order to make for a peaceful, Godly family. A whole lot of love, respect, humility, forgiveness and self-control, need to take place.
However, no spouse should oppress the other by not allowing him/her the dignity to have a "voice".

Christianity is not an oppressive religion.

I know some couples who actually use the terms, "beloved", "bride", "groom", "husband", "wife" to refer to their spouse. I love that too.
I do not think that Christ would have a spouse referring to another as "lord". That could cause a very "sticky" situation.
That title (in my humble opinion) belongs to Jesus and God.

Nowhere in the OP did I say "by NOT calling their husbands "lord" , they are basically placing a curse on themselves".

That is your own injection.

lalasticlala good morning

When speaking of feminism, I'm talking about the one in the confines of marriage, not the one which claims to be about equality in education and occupation.

Now, according to the title of this article, what is the curse from God which feminists exhibit? You see, when Eve got decieved by the serpent and Adam joined in, it led to the fall of mankind. This made God place a curse on the parties involved - Eve, Adam and the serpent.

What was the curse on Adam? He was to sweat before he eats bread and will always come across difficulties and obstacles to whatever he wants to do. This is a universal thing for all males. We always sweat before we eat i.e we engage in hardwork to provide our daily bread which is the way out as required by God. The males who don't follow God's way in the face of the curse are those who don't do hardwork. They are the Yahoo boys, fraudsters, robbers etc all of which are easy route, which is why they are the ones in jail.

Now, what was the curse on the woman? Read the Bible verse below.

Genesis 3:16 (KJV)
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

As seen above, God placed two curses on the woman for sinning. Both curses are universal. The first is that the woman will always experience pain during child birth, which is universal because all women face this.

The second curse is that their desire shall be to their husband and he shall rule over them. Looking at this curse, one would think it is talking about sexual desire. No, it isn't because that desire had been there before they sinned. That is the essence of why God said they should be fruitful and multiply. Desire comes before becoming fruitful.

So, what is the desire that made God say their husband will have to rule over them? Definitely, sexual desire doesn't make a man rule over his wife. No, it makes them engage in something consentual.

Now, the desire God spoke of involves a woman wanting to take over her husband's rightful position of authority. This is why the husband will have no choice but to be forced to rule over his wife.

"and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee".

That desire is what feminists exhibit in their marriage which leads to chaos. They want equal right in decision making in the family. When Adam agreed to Eve's decision of eating the forbidden fruit instead of standing against it because it is wrong, he fell into sin.

Feminists also want to make their own decisions without their husband's consent. That was what Eve did when she didn't seek Adam's consent before eating the fruit. Guess the dilemma her action left Adam in? He was left with kicking her out for sinning or joining in the sin. Adam chose to sin as well. Did you see how a woman's independent decision led to her fall and that of her husband? She desired to do things on her own and also act as the decision maker in the family. That's desiring the husband's place. This is why husband's are firm in ensuring their authority is not undermined.

God that has placed such a curse on woman as a result of her sin, also provided a way to manage it. And the way to manage it is by being submissive to their husband.

Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

If you submit to your husband, you will realize that the desire for his position will reduce. And this will certainly bring a wife peace because it will make her husband love her more. No one loves a troublesome wife who questions one's authority. The above verse even says wives should submit unto their husbands as unto the Lord.

Any woman who doesn't obey this commandment of God in respect to submission will exhibit the curse God placed on the Woman as the consequence of her sin. That curse is to desire to usurp her husband. That is what Feminists are exhibiting today in their fight for equal rights in marriage when God placed the husband as the head of the family.

Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church:

As seen above, a church which doesn't obey the words of Jesus Christ which is its head, such church will start fighting against Christ with false doctrines and practices.

A wife who doesn't respect her husband's authority as head will look for a way to cut off that head.

So clearly, God gave Eve a command which she disobeyed and did what she desired. This led to curses on her. Here, God has commanded wives to submit to their husband as head. Feminists disobey that command, which is why they are fighting for equal rights in marriage. This is chaos, because there has to be a head in every affair in life e.g at work, in a country, community, family etc.

Ladies, what this sermon basically teaches is that if you fail to submit to your husband, it means you desire to be authoritative like him in the family. This means your husband will be forced to rule over you which you might not like. If you go ahead to undermine that rule, then comes lack of interest in you from your husband and many more before divorce.

So, make sure you obey your husband...


1 Peter 3:6
Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

ednut1:




Fake account

Thank you very much.

lalasticlala seen mynd44

Take note. The OP is fake. The thread was created by someone with the aim of discrediting Christianity. Of you glance through the thread, you will see who the person is.

OkCornel:


Hope you’ve taken your medications today.

Continue in ‘grace’ so you can keep patronising ladies of easy virtue and some weed;
https://www.nairaland.com/5340899/daddy-freeze-reacts-estate-where#80951557


Take your hypocrisy outta face mehn!

Are you done?

You went as far as digging into my post as far back as 2016 when I wasn't saved. You dug it out to do what exactly? To tarnish my image? No

You dug it up to discredit everything I preach on this forum. You want people to be like "oh, look at who is preaching". That is so satanic about you. Every child of God on this forum knows you are a confirmed Satanist who would go any length to please his father the devil.

What is it you even think you have against me? You pulled one line from a comment I made out of sarcasm and all of a sudden I'ma bad guy.

What baffles me is how you found time to dig as far back as 2016 just to look for dirt on me. I must really be giving your father sleepless nights on this forum for you to do that. Guess what fool, I wasn't saved then, a thing you ought to have been smart enough to figure out from my posts of those days. But you don't care. All you want is looking for anything you can use to prevent people from listening to the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ which I preach. Isn't that satanic? Why try to discredit someone trying to set people on the right part but morally and spiritually? That's because he's freeing people from your master's grip. You don't like that.

You have been creating different new Monikas just to tackle me. Sadly for you, I keep seeing your handwork in them. You create the Monika that created this thread just so you can tell the world that the Gospel of Jesus makes people live in sin. You did so because you haven't had rest since my thread last Sunday freedamy people from your satanic grip. It's been sleepless nights for you and so shall it ever be.

You are a reprobate and doomed to hell fire. Guess what? This your latest moves will make God inflict you with deadly diseases because you are working against him. You will become an example of what no one, not even a mad man, would want to be.

Now, get thee behind me thou accuser of the brethren.

Revelation 12:10 King James Version (KJV)
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

OkCornel:

Get well soon eh...gateman and minister of hellfire
Every new moniker on Nairaland might just be me.

As usual, always sidestepping the issue being discussed with false accusations.

Your escapades in the sexuality section is still there for all to see.

Get thee behind me Satan

jesusjnr:
Lol!

The Albhagdadi and Solite3 grace to continue in sin crew.

Not surprised for this is the reason why i'm going to fight such an erroneous teaching with every atom of strength i've got in me, so help me God.

You guys are pure satanists who will go any length to ensure people end up in hell fire like you. Look at how you guys created the OP's new Monika two days ago to create this topic just to cast aspersions on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. You want to to hold people in bondage.

You created the Monika to make it seem like Once Saved Always Saved is a doctrine that encourages sin.

Curses be on you all for this blatant falsehood. Hell fire is your abode, bloody Satanists.

content208:




If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.

1John 1:6.

The real believer is not he who just confesses, but he who confessed and does God's will.

You stop believing in your heart the moment you dabble in willful sin

Do you even know what the will of God truly is? Perhaps you think it's dos and don'ts. .

Look, the will of God is to believe in Jesus. Nothing more, nothing less.


John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

content208:


Oga, you lose eternal life if you take God's salvation for granted. You can't be in sin and expect that you will make heaven, especially if you are commiting wilful sin.

Confessing Christ as Lord with mouth is not enough; you must also do his will.

If one could lose the eternal life God gave him, then was it ever eternal at all? Or don't you know the meaning of eternal life?

Eternal life is life that never ends. God's says we have it which we got due to believe in Jesus. If we could lose it, meaning it ended, then God lied when he said he gave us eternal life. That's the falsehood you are propagating.

Your lack of the Holy Spirit has made you even reason like an illiterate in that you couldn't understand what eternal life means.

Bnimz:


So from your first statement, a Christian will definitely commit sin. Fine

But a Christian will not be condemned for his sins.. Also fine.

Seems very straightforward..

Why then are you unable to categorically assert that our suicidal person will go to heaven?

Cos if that is the case, then no Christian has any reason to remain on this troublesome Earth any longer... Christians should all just fast forward to the end, die and go to heaven, afterall that is the ultimate goal, so whats the delay? Why battle trials and temptations, why wrestle against flesh and blood, why endure torture and martyrdom?

Why not just end it all the coward's way, and take the express train to heaven?

Could it be that some sins are too big for your faith in the impossibility of losing salvation?

Could it be that you cannot picture a Christian who fell into temptation, committed adultery and died of a heart attack in the middle of the act going to heaven?

Or are you going to say that someone who committed adultery was not a Christian in the first place, in which case I would like to know exactly what sins a Christian can commit and still be a Christian according to your theology.

Cos hey, you agree that it is not possible to live a life devoid of sin afterall.

@bold

I can't give you an answer to something that can't possibly happen.


How many times do I have to tell you that a Christian can't commit suicide? How many times do I have to ask you to give me an Instance from the bible of a Christian. committing suicide?

A Christian can't commit suicide same way a Christian can't be possessed with demons. Demons can't possess a Christian because the Holy Spirit lives inside of him. Or do you want to tell me that demons can live inside a human whom the Holy Spirit has already possessed? They can't.

So, it will be stupid for me to give you an answer if you ask to know what will happen if a Christian is possessed with demons. I can't give you any answer because it is not possible for a Christian to be possessed with demons in the first place. So, why then are you expecting me to tell you what will happen when Christian commits suicide, a thing which can't happen?

A Christian can't commit suicide because whatever bothers people to the point of taking their own lives will be revealed to him by the Holy Spirit whom Jesus said will guide us into all truth.

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

What makes people commit suicide? Several trials and afflictions. However, God promised Christians that he won't expose them to the kind of temptation that they cannot bear, meaning he won't lead them to the point that they will take their life because the temptation is too much.

1 Corinthians 10:13
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].


Christians don't cower in the face of tribulations and afflictions. Instead we glory in it.

Romans 5:3-4
And not only [so], but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Psalms 34:19 -
Many [are] the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.


So, what is it that can make a Christian commit suicide when God is there to deliver him from it all? Nothing.

Job went through horrible things, yet he didn't take his own life. God can't allow it because it would be a shame. Won't you feel ashamed to hear that your son killed himself. It means you failed as a father. Yet, you are here saying God will allow that happen to his children. Perhaps, you are trying to make God a shameful being. Shame on you.

The reason why you think a Christian should just kill himself immediately he gets saved is because you haven't experienced salvation. Once you know you are eternally secured, you won't live in fear. You currently live in fear of dying a sinner, that's why you hold the idea of just killing yourself immediately you get saved.

Once you experience the true salvation. you won't live in fear again. You will see that you have a whole lot to live for. You have been giving the gift of eternal life, isn't it good to bring others to this wonderful thing? If the disciples had killed themselves immediately they were saved, would you even be reading about the Gospel?

I told you in the other post that the fruit of the spirit is joy, peace, long-suffering etc. All these things won't make you even take your life. Is it not someone who is not at peace that kills himself? The Holy Spirit gives you peace, so a Christian can't kill himself.


I've entertained you enough. Goodbye

on4a:


Not even the power of sin, that was why God commended His love to us even while we were sinners. But to still think ot teach a believer can be held by the power of sin is contradictory to the gospel.

Thank you.

They think sin is powerful than the blood of Jesus. If it were so, then they are saying God messed up by shedding a weak blood on the cross. God forbid. Such can only come from the mind of unbelievers.

Bnimz:

So, if I understand you properly, what you are saying now is that a Christian cannot sin?

Because this is one of the issues I have with you Calvinists. You are quick to point out that returning to a life of sin cannot result in a loss of salvation.....

You also acknowledge that a Christian might sin, but you stress that this does not affect his salvation....

At the same time when we start bringing out some really massive sins, you instantly start denying the possibility of a Christian commiting those sins in the first place...

Free will is not a switch that you can turn on and off when you so choose..

Someone who can lie can steal, someone who can steal can commit murder, someone who can commit murder can commit suicide..

So its either you outline the types of sins that it is possible for a Christian to commit but that cannot result in a loss of salvation, or you outright say that a Christian cannot commit any sin at all.. You can't have it both ways.

Why is it difficult for you to point out one Christian in the Bible that committed suicide? You know you can't cos it never happened. Yet, you expect me to start giving reality answers on assumptions. It's the same as saying what if God is satan. God is and can never be satan, so it will be stupid for me to start giving answers to your "what if".

Where are you even told that suicide, Fornication, murder etc are what actually sends people to hell fire? Look dude, what sends people to hell fire is the son of unbelief in Jesus. Those that believe in Jesus have their sins paid for by him. Those that don't believe in him get to pay for their own sins in hell fire.


John 3:18 (KJV)
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


According to the above verse, whether you live a life devoid of sin, which is impossible according to the Bible, you will still be condemned for your lack of believe in Jesus.

The verse also says that believe in Jesus frees you from any form of condemnation that comes with sin.

1StopRudeness:


Albhagdadi..that’s how u refuse to answer this my question since morning....Haba!!!

Your question is incoherent.

chigbo25:




none of those things which precede justification—whether faith or works—merit the grace itself of justification.” This means that no man can work himself into a state of justification. The New Covenant is not a system of works righteousness whereby a person can please God and earn heaven by doing a number of good deeds. This is what Paul is driving at in Ephesians 2. He is not saying that sin cannot separate us from Christ.

When he gave a litany of created things that can not separate us from the love of God in Romans 8:39, notice that he did not say, “neither fornication nor adultery nor drunkenness nor murder will separate us from the love of God.” He was well aware that if we choose sin, we renounce Christ. In 1 Corinthians 15:1–2, Paul says, “Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand, by which you are saved, if you hold it fast—unless you believed in vain.” So, you could believe, but fail to hold fast to the gospel, and not be saved (cf. 2 Pet. 2:20).

This is why Paul spoke in the book of Romans about the “obedience of faith” (Rom. 1:5, 16:26). It is not enough that one call Jesus Lord, for, as he said, “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven” (Matt. 7:21; cf. Matt. 10:33, 18:35). If we are disobedient, God will “take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city” (Rev 22:19).

Just because you may choose to no longer hold fast to what was freely given to you does not mean that you were ever capable of earning what was given to you in the first place. The same is true of earthly sonship—it cannot be earned. But if you were adopted, you would be free to run away as a prodigal son and lose your inheritance.

Can you please just keep quite? Paul said nothing can separate is from the love of Christ and this includes sin. Do you know that sin has power? The fact that you say sin has the power to separate is from the love of Christ shows that you agree it has power. Unfortunately for you, Paul stated that no power can separate us from the love of Christ. No thing present or to come can separate us from the love of Christ.



Romans 8:35-39 King James Version (KJV)
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or unclothedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.



The rest of what you typed are just junked muddled up.

Bnimz:


This is not an answer to my question bro..

A Christian who has the Holy Spirit is still a human being with free will.

Assuming a number of things happen and this individual does in fact commit suicide, where is the person's eternal destination?

If you are so sure it is impossible to lose salvation regardless of what you do, you should be able to confidently say that the Christian is going to heaven even if he commits suicide....


So, what is your answer, heaven or hell?

MuttleyLaff:
In the definitive? Only God knows.



What does it take to answer that Bnimz easy, simple, direct and straightforward question, hmm?

The question was, if a Christian who is saved and truly believes falls upon hard times, becomes depressed and commits suicide, where is the person going? Heaven or Hell?

We do know that God takes away his Holy Spirit and also that God's spirit does leave or departs from people, so alBHAG.DADI talking about a Christian who has the Holy Spirit in him/her is irrelevant to giving an outright answer to the Bnimz question. Smh.

What's wrong with you both?

I already told you that a Christian can't descend low to the level of committing suicide, same way a Christian can't be possessed with demons. This is because he has the Holy Spirit in him. So, there's no point even making assumptions of "what if".

There's no "what if" because God won't allow his children descend low to that level. Mention one child of God that committed suicide in the Bible. You won't find any. But we have Judas who was a devil. He killed himself. He sold Jesus while Peter denied Jesus. Both men committed horrible sins against Jesus. How come Peter didn't kill himself like Judas did? Peter didn't do so because God was protecting him

Luke 22:31-32 (KJV)
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.


Until you show me an instance of a child of God in the Bible who killed himself, this your assumption of "what if" is just an assumption that can never happen and not worth even threading upon. You have no biblical instance to back up a notion that a Christian or child of God can commit suicide. So why do you expect me to start arguing on what the Bible doesn't support or show to be likely?

Before you start citing instances wrongly, let me explain certain things to you. Saul committed suicide because the Holy Spirit left him. Back then the Holy Spirit just use to descend on God's anointed e.g prophets, kings. God had to promise that he will pour his spirit on all flesh later on which Peter confirmed.


Joel 2:28-32 King James Version (KJV)
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:


Acts 2:15-21 King James Version (KJV)
For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:


Today, he dwells in us forever and has sealed us unto Jesus comes to redeem us.

Ephesians 4:30
“And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”



Saul was rejected by God because he was disobedient. The Holy Spirit left him because his duty was not to seal him like we are sealed. Same thing with Samson.

1 Samuel 16:14
But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.


Judges 16:20
And she said, The Philistines be upon thee, Samson. And he awoke out of his sleep, and said, I will go out as at other times before, and shake myself. And he wist not that the LORD was departed from him.

Bnimz:
if a Christian who is saved and truly believes falls upon hard times, becomes depressed and commits Suicide, where is the person going?

Heaven or Hell?

A Christian who has the Holy Spirit in him can't commit suicide nor become depressed. That's because the Holy Spirit which God has given us is not a spirit of fear but of sound mind.

2 Timothy 1:7 (KJV)
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.


Take a look at the fruit of the spirit which will be displayed in the life of a Christian which can never make him depressed nor commit suicide.


Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

smartkester:
I pray the word of God doesn't stand against you on Judgement day because everything you wrote here are just fables and can never be in line with the true Gospel, you just misinterpreted the entire passages you mentioned here.

If you're truly saved you won't wallow in abject iniquities again, don't be deceived a dot on your garment on the day of judgement can make you perish. I wished I could type

But I pray God opens your understanding to learn his word properly.

@bold

What is the true gospel?

justt:


Is this another gospel or the same gospel of the Lord Jesus? I guess people should be very careful of your message!

Of what use is salvation and invariably, the death of Christ if we continue willfully in sins because no matter what we will make heaven?

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? Rom 6:1&2

And what moral justification will God have to condemn sinners when even the so called 'saints' are sinners? Jesus himself told the Jew who believed in him that they must abide in his word. Not just believing alone. John 8:31: Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.

Obviously, part of abiding in him is obedience to his word. I guess your error is the your inability to differentiate between slipping and choosing willfully to remain in sin. The Bible totally condemns willful sin.

And what do you say to the messages in Hebrew concerning willful sins?

Heb 6:4-6: For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put [Him] to an open shame. 

Heb 10:26-31: For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

 27  but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

 28  Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on [the testimony of] two or three witnesses. 

 29  Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 

 30  For we know Him who said, [ "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,"] says the Lord. And again, [ "The LORD will judge His people."] 

 31  It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. 

Heb 12:14 specifically says, without holiness no one will see the Lord.

Are you lowering this standard?

Do not be deceived, no sinner in whatever guise has eternal life.

Eph 5:3-6
But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints;

 4  neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.

 5  For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

 6  Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.

Please repent of this view of yours which has no basis in the Holy Bible and stop leading ignorant people to hell!

Shalom

All these your misconstrued verses have been trashed. scroll up

ireneidiva:

Answer my own question first? Why did he ask her to go and sin no more?

Was he supposed to tell her to go and continue sinning?

one4christ:


Mr, I hope youve read your bible to where it says that "the soul that sinneth it shall die"

Why are those that didn't sin also dying?

content208:


If it were not easy to stop sinning, would Jesus have told the woman to go and sin no more? You seek a brand of Christianity different from what Jesus preached right? So that you can always continue to commit sin without any consequences? You want to be eating your cake and having it? No matter how much lies and deceptions you have been fed with, the soul that sinneth it shall die.

Were you expecting Jesus to tell her to go and continue sinning?

What is not written in the verse is Jesus saying go and sin no more "or else you will end up in hell". You are the one insinuating such.

Moreover, didn't you see on the OP where I quoted the word of God who listed punishment for those who disobey his commandments. We see those things and they make us tremble before God, which is why we avoid sin despite knowing heaven is sure for us. Now, where in the list in Deutoronomy 28 does it include hell fire as part of the punishment for the children of God who sin?

akinade28:
where is all these in the bible. Brother, you need to study your bible very well oo. You are just lumping things together.

Paul did tweet the criteria to become a Bishop because he chose to. He never married, which means he was never a Bishop whom he himself said must be the husband of one wife

1 Timothy 3:2 (KJV)
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;