HeyCorleone:


Leave the dude.

The part where he shocked me was when he said Jesus never had long hair. Jesus, the Nazarene, never had long hair?

alBHAGDADI, you're just an unfunny joke. Pseudo-intellect like you.

Nazarite and Nazareth are two different words.

Nazareth is a town in Israel which Jesus was from. That's why he's sometimes called Jesus of Nazareth.

Nazarite is someone who made a vow which involves him not doing certain things e.g cutting his hair, drinking wine, going close to bodies etc. Jesus did all of that and nowhere is it recorded that he took Nazarite vows like Samson. Stop mistaken the word Nazarite for Nazareth.

Can you see that you have no right to mock me?

Numbers 6:1-6 (KJV)
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When either man or woman shall separate themselves to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate themselves unto the LORD:
2 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
3 All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk.
4 All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head: until the days be fulfilled, in the which he separateth himself unto the LORD, he shall be holy, and shall let the locks of the hair of his head grow.
5 All the days that he separateth himself unto the
LORD he shall come at no dead body.

hollowpot15684:


Lol, i just wish you understand better but it is very obvious my wish cannot be granted.

Sleeping with my mother, sister and daughter may not be morally right to you because your cultural background don't permit such but it doesn't mean there are no culture out there who don't permit it. I want you to know that, there are even more bizarre practices around the world which you will see as 'wrong' if i mention them to you.

However, I'm not gonna waste my time on you cos it is very clear that you are a close minded person to even cite that as an example in the first place.

Talking about Grace, i want you to know that "i am the righteousness of God in Christ, therefore am above condemnation". All your robe condemnations are nothing but trash, and i do not believe anyone who knows the heart of God would come up with such.

Listen to the preachings of Joseph Prince, Sam Adeyemi or Myles Munroe, i believe your brains will open thereafter. Have a lovely Sunday and i will advise you change the church you attend.

Obrigado.

Ate you saved? Then it means you are a son of God and he won't condemn you. Does that mean he won't punish you here on Earth for breaking his rules?

Hebrews 12:6-11 King James Version (KJV)
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

hollowpot15684:


Lol, i just wish you understand better but it is very obvious my wish cannot be granted.

Sleeping with my mother, sister and daughter may not be morally right to you because your cultural background don't permit such but it doesn't mean there are no culture out there who don't permit it. I want you to know that, there are even more bizarre practices around the world which you will see as 'wrong' if i mention them to you.

However, I'm not gonna waste my time on you cos it is very clear that you are a close minded person to even cite that as an example in the first place.

Talking about Grace, i want you to know that "i am the righteousness of God in Christ, therefore am above condemnation". All your robe condemnations are nothing but trash, and i do not believe anyone who knows the heart of God would come up with such.

Listen to the preachings of Joseph Prince, Sam Adeyemi or Myles Munroe, i believe your brains will open thereafter. Have a lovely Sunday and i will advise you change the church you attend.

Obrigado.

Will you just shut up

Which foolish culture permits sleeping with your mother and sister? Such existed before and still does. But a Christian is to dump such cultures the moment he accepts Jesus Christ.

Any person still doing such is going against the law of God who respects no man's culture.

Just shut up already and stop making Grace seem like a license to commit abomination.

Karence:
Op,read the whole chapter of Deuteronomy 22 and stop confusing yourself with selected verses of the chapter. Men were asked to avoid women's clothing cos of the recharge from the body of a women,remember it was a taboo for a woman who is mensurating to touch or be in a congregation of others and she had to be cleansed after her period. You need to study the scriptures for yourself biko.

D
So, why were women told to stay away from men's clothing?

Because of MENstruation

hollowpot15684:


We are not in the times of corrections anymore, Grace covers as long as you talk and walk with your father in heaven everytime your shortcomings appears.

I am personally not guided by laws of rights and wrong anymore, but by pure Principle which are naturally subjective.

I can wear a robe if that is what i feel like wearing, it is not Gods business what i wear.

Sir/Ma, i will advise you upgrade your teachings and ideas to the new covenant which is active till Jesus Christ second coming.

Also remember, all your righteousness are nothing but filthy rags, so irrespective of what you wear, you are nothing but an unrighteous person.

Upgrade your teachings sir, you are way behind of the truth.

Since Grace covers you, then make sure you sleep with your mother, sister and daughter tonight. Make sure you get them pregnant.

Leviticus 18:6 King James Version (KJV)
None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the
LORD.

Youngzedd:


LOL, the worst Bible translation is KJV.

Now, are we still under the law?
If NO

There are 613 laws in Torah, how many are you keeping?


If a woman lie about her virginity, the men are to stone her to death.

Deuteronomy 22:20-21
20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.

Do you know that you're unclean for laying your hand or touching (even hand shake) a woman who's on her period? Read Leviticus 15:19-21

Are you aware that you're forbidden to wear cloth made of more than one material? Are you aware that you're forbidden to plant more than one kind of seed in a field? Read Leviticus 19 vs 19
Are you aware that you're not suppose to eat fat? Read Leviticus 3:17

Do you know that your stubborn and rebellious son should be stone to death? Read Deuteronomy 21:18-21

Use your head and think for a minute. Ask yourself, If I am to practice the laws, why am I not been taught about so many others and made to practice them?

If I decide to pull the laws, you will stop believing so many things. You will have a serious rethink about your belief. God saw that humans are under a bondage of the law, He sent Yehoshua to save us and made the law obsolete as written in the book of Hebrew 8 vs 13. Why do you still go back to the same bondage you were lifted from? � �

Galatians 5 vs 1
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

The slavery been talked about here is the LAW. Christianity is FREEDOM from the curse of the law. Now you know ☺.

Here, this single verse said it all about the law.

Galatians 5 vs 14
For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

Many of you that claim to be Christians are under a curse without knowing it.

Lets read Galatians 3 vs 10

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

If you're to practice a single law, you MUST practice everything there. The scripture said EVERYTHING not some things that suits you.
Is it that you don't read the bible or you lack understanding? � �

Is it not hypocrisy and devilish for someone to choose a single law in the old testament and force the people to practice it? �

If we are to practice the laws in the old testament, we are to practice ALL without leaving any UNTOUCH. Ranging from burning of animals, killing your first born son and animals as first fruits. Not eating pork etc.

Why should a so called Christian go to the old testament which is now obsolete and pick up a single law and force it down to the congregation because of their selfish interest. To make it worst, the congregations don't have the mind of their own. They have been brainwashed and conditioned on how to think. They fear their leaders, they are now slaves without knowing it.

They will tell you don't do this, do that without you asking questions, are you a zombie? � �

Christianity is a lifestyle, you're not suppose to practice the laws in the old testament. You're forbidden to practice them. You're a Christian not a Jew (Judaism).

About 99% of the laws in the old testament, you don't keep. Why do you allow them to brainwash you to practice about 1% or less?

If we aren't suppose to practice the law, why was it given in the first place?

Galatians 3 vs 19 - 20
Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator,however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

I am closing with Galatians 3:13-14

13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brothers and sisters. Amen. - Galatians 6 vs 18

Some of the Old Testament laws have been changed in the New Testament. Examples are diverse washings, circumcision, shaving of hair etc. Paul wrote about them. Does that now mean that all the law has been changed? If so, why not break the law below but sleeping with your mother, sister and daughter?

Leviticus 18:6 (KJV)
None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the
LORD.

Look, when the Bible said the law has been done away with, it's not saying we can now break the law. It simply means the law is not the means to salvation. You can't get saved by keeping the law because Jesus is the one that saves. If you reject Jesus and decided to get saved by keeping the law, it means you are cursed. What is the curse?

You are cursed because you will never keep the entire law. You will always fail. If you pass all but failed in one, you will be guilty of even the one you passed - That is the curse and the reason why those who keep the law as a means of salvation always end up in hell.

God knew we won't be able to keep the law 100%, that's why he gave us Jesus.

Now, the reason why obey the law today is because it gives us blessings and also protection. If you steal, you will go to jail if caught. If you don't, you are protected.

So basically, the Old Testament laws which God wants us to continue with, he stated in the New Testament e.g don't be homosexual, don't commit incest etc.

The ones he doesn't want us to continue with, he stated in the New Testament e.g circumcision, diverse washings etc

The ones he didn't say anything g about in the New Testament, those ones are to be obeyed. Why? Because no man has the right to stop what God has not stopped.

I hope you understand now

Sylvaxxl1:
This goes to show that the OP lacks in-depth understand of the English let alone the Bible. I ain’t gonna sit here and argue with you but you need to do a research and know the kind of dresses they wore in those days, it’s there in Mr google. Do you even know that one of the cultures of a Nazareth is to have long hair?
You really need to be school. And for those of you who condemn so kind of dressing just remember that culture differs.
One more thing, if you don’t know the meaning of culture, GOOGLE IT

Stop being proudly foolish.

People of Nazareth have no such culture as men wearing long hair. You have wrongly taken Nazarene to mean Nazareth.

Jesus was from Nazareth, a town in the middle East. This is different from the word Nazarene which Samson was. A Nazarene is someone bound by a vow which prevents him from doing certain things. Examples are drinking wine and coming close to dead bodies. Jesus drank wine and even resurrected dead bodies, all of which are against vows of Nazarene. Therefore, he wasn't a Nazarene and never had long hair like one.

Next time, before you boastfully sound foolish, study well.

thundafire:
in those days trousers wasn't popular ok,even soldiers wore skirt like armour cloth to waror on duty,he doesn't need to back it up,it's a well known fact

can a man fight or run conveniently on skirt?

Psoul:


My dear thanks for your post. Permit me to make some arguments.
So many acclaimed children of God has for long clutch to this topic, blowing it out of proportion. Making it seem as a sin so dangerous and as a head over every other sin.

Can we go back to the Biblical age when this commandment was made to the children of God.
During this period, the common dress of the Jews are gown-like kind of attire.
Our Lord Jesus, according to history and diagrams. also wore this same gown-like robe.
You are bn economical with the truth if u say that Christ never wore robe.

Back to what I was saying, there was not very elaborate distinction between the robes worn those days.
There was nothing like trousers and skirts. No shirt or blouse.
Then why this commandment?

During those period, the children of men were always going into one war or the other. Also, the men going for war are mostly commanded to avoid contact with women. This contact will "defile" them and make them to lose the war.
If a woman gets in contact(or wears) with the garment of any men that was supposed to go to war, and the man wears it again, he is already "defiled" and may eventually die in that war.
For this, God gave a commandment that men shall not wear women's garment nor women doing same cos this will bring destruction to the children of God.

If actually God want this distinction in dressing, I beliv He would've designed trousers and shirt for Adam and Gown for Even when He sent them out of Eden.

Now coming down to our generation. Every tribe has their local mode of dressing which most of us have dropped and embraced the Western mode of dressing. In their mode of dressing from time, they have a female type of trouser and a female kind of shirt. Now, our over zealous Christian brethren kept condemning those Western women when they wear what their tradition recommended as a female dress. They see the white women wearing female trousers and still go ahead to tell them they will go to hell fire.

Some of those that condemn women wearing trousers, will still go to bed with a night wear that has trousers to avoid mosquito bite. Some will go to farm with shirt and trouser (Tying wrapper over it) to avoid body scratch in the farm.
My dear if u beliv that God hates women wearing trousers, there should not be any condition that u think will make it right to wear it. Sin is sin and no condition makes it right.



I read the above quote from u and was just laughing.
Pls, if you don't know the Bible or have a good spirit to interpret it, pls stay out from doing so.

So to you, what you quoted is supporting what Deuteronomy says about men wearing women's dress and the other way round?
My dear, u lack simple analysis of literal statement.
When Christ said that they should beware of the Scribes that wear long robe. He was not talking about their dress nor condemning the style of their dress. He was talking about their hypocrisy. They wear beautiful and well designed clothe while they are full of evil.

If one says, forget about all these politicians driving around with expensive cars and with thousands of escorts, can u tell me that the person is condemning the expensive cars and the escorts or condemning the character of the Politician that is using the car and the escort?

Finally, I will bluntly not like men who will go out of their way to make themselves look like women by wearing purely women clothe, piercing of nose, ear and all that. The same to the women.

How are you to know a scribe full of evil? Is it not by the long robe? If Jesus shows up wearing long robe, he would be a hypocrite condemning others for doing same. You think Jesus didn't know what he was talking about when he specifically mentioned long robes? If he was just talking about their evil, he won't have had any need to include their dress code. But he knows their dress also plays a role in part of why they are evil.

You see politicians with security and pastor with security. How do you know which isn't evil? The security shows they are evil. That's why the Bible never mentioned Jesus putting on robe by himself, because he had to be different from the scribes.

hollowpot15684:


I don't know why, but i just dislike correctional preachings. I prefer principle based messages.

Your stubborn nature is why you hate correction.

omoyemoses:


This doesn't mean that he's against wearing robes. The subject and/or object of that verse are the Scribes themselves and not the robe wearing

The scribes were teachers who wore long robes. He said we should beware of them. Jesus said we should beware of teachers who wear long robe.

Jesus was a teacher himself. According to you, we are to beware of him because you insinuate he wore long robe too.

jaxxy:



Jesus wore a robe probably not a long one like the scribes who did it to appear holier than thou and not because it was bad.

To understand what hosen meant in Daniels time u wud need to study Babylonian historyand culture and not assume it was a trouser, it cud have been a skirt.

On hair issue, Samson has long hair because his hair was his strength and he never shaved it since birth. Jesus I believe had averagely long hair as a Nazarene.

Hosen means trousers.

Jesus never had long hair. Samson had long hair because he was a Nazarene and it was part of their vows to keep long hair.

Jesus was never a Nazarene. Don't mistake Nazareth for Nazarene. Jesus was from Nazareth, that's why he's called Jesus of Nazareth.

Jesus couldn't have been a Nazarene because he did things that are against the vows of a Nazarene. Examples are drinking wine, coming near dead body etc.

Lovine:
Deut.22:5, what about other verses? Why do you overlook them, do we still practise them today? Grow up my friend, God is a Spirit not a human.

You mean you also don't practice the law below? This must mean you sleep with your mum and sister.

Leviticus 18:16
None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the LORD.

AlphaStyles:
If Jesus didn't wear Robe then what did he wear? What did early humans wear?

The wore clothes that bore no similarity with the opposite gender.

healthserve:



I don't want to argue. There's an important scripture about his attire you skipped. Go back to the Bible and search it out brother

The onus is on you to do so, not place it on me.

healthserve:
My dear Jesus wore long robe albeit not a feminine looking love

Despite the verses in the OP, you still make this claim which you can't back up?

Fashion today is beginning to be designed in such a way that men can now wear what women wear. These days, men wear dress which is pertaining to females. They call it fashion, whereas it is an abomination to God. People who wear such are hated by God.

Deuteronomy 22:5 (KJV)
5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.

The sad part is that when men who wear Women's dress are criticized today, they are quick to claim the Bible supports the lifestyle. The worst part is that they claim Jesus also dressed in similar manner i.e he wore robe. This is a big fat like because Jesus never wore robe, a fashion similar to women's dress.

Why would Jesus wear robe when he specifically spoke against it in the Bible. He gave a doctrine against wearing robes as seen below.

Mark 12:38
And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,

In case you are wondering what long clothing is, it means long robe as seen below.

Luke 20:46
Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;

But you say, "what about all those pictures depicting Jesus wearing robes?". Those were painted by people who never existed during his time and culture. Those are paintings by Michael Angelo and other sodomites who even made Jesus wear long hair.

1 Corinthians 11:14
14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

Jesus never had long hair because he's the express image of God while men are the image of God. Wouldn't it be ridiculous if we as the image of God are not allowed to wear long hair, but Jesus whom we are in his image wears long hair?

Jesus never wore robe because that would make him a hypocrite. He spoke against long robes and told people to beware of those who do such thing. Won't it be absurd to now see him wear long robe? Wouldn't that mean he's saying people should beware of him too? It would also mean he's an hypocrite who preaches against something but does it anyway. I'm glad we know he was sinless, therefore he couldn't have gone against his word.

So, what did Jesus and the culture back then wear? I don't know because I didn't exist back then. But what I do know is that he never wore robe nor any dress-looking garment. But trousers existed long before he came to earth. The book of Daniel spoke of men wearing trousers otherwise known as Hosen.

Daniel 3:21(KJV)
21 Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.

Some people can be quick to quote Mathew 9:22 to prove that Jesus wore a robe or cloak, but that's a lie inspired by false Bible translations.

New International Version
She said to herself, "If I only touch his cloak, I will be healed."

New Living Translation
for she thought, “If I can just touch his robe, I will be healed.”


The NIV and the NLT both state that Jesus wore a robe or cloak, but it's a lie. That's why I wrote a thread exposing false Bible translations and advised people to stick to the King James Version only.

Look at how they rendered Jesus to be a hypocrite. They called Jesus a man who goes against his own words by putting on robe which he gave a doctrine against. Read link below to see more of the likes of these modern Bible translations which are really designed by Satan himself to confuse believers.

READ: https://www.nairaland.com/4957299/bible-sword-butter-knife-why

Now, see how the King James Version rightly puts the verse.

Mathew 9:21 KJV
For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole.

The only time Jesus wore a robe was when they placed a purple robe on him and a crown of thorns. They did it to mock him. It wasn't something he decided to wear on his own. Or will you say he also decided to wear a crown of thorns?

John 19:5 KJV
Then came Jesus forth, wearing the crown of thorns, and the purple robe. And Pilate saith unto them, Behold the man!

So, guys don't be sucked into modern fashion that sees men wearing women's clothing e.g dress, Jalabya, makeup, earrings ankle chains etc. Doing such makes you an abomination before God.

Feminism has swallowed this one. She's ready to side with evil against what's right.

ImaIma1:


Hope you won't pay your child's school fees to a teacher in need instead of to the school. It makes sense...at least you helped someone in need.

Don't mind him. By the time the school sends his kid packing, that's when he'll have sense.

Preffered:


Malachi 2:1 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.

For your information, Malachi is actually addressing priest that Default in taking their tithe to store house.

Malachi 2:8
But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

[13]And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth it with good will at your hand.

What started in chapter 2 continue in chapter of Malachi.

How did you know chapter 3 is a continuation of chapter 2? How comes it's not a continuation of chapter 1?

Preffered:


It is either you are trying to be mischievous or you lack fundamental knowledge about this topic. Before I proceed, let me call your attention to these words in the Old testament: "Temple "," Terbanacle" and "Store-House". 1. Both Temple and Terbanacle are use interchangeably to refer to a place of worship in the testament.
2. The head or leader of the Temple or Terbanacle is the chief priest . Infact they dwell in the temple doing the work of God.

There is no record in the old testament of anyone taking his or her tithe to the temple or tarbacle.

The Temple or Terbanacle represents today's church and Pastor and priest are the equivalent of the chief priest.

The Store-house is different from the Temple or Terbanacle . The Store-house is also not an arm or extension of Temple or Terbanacle The Store-house
is a place or a provision established to take care of the weak, needy, orphans widows or anyone who cannot provide for His or herself .


It is an error for you to conclude the tithe Should be taking to the church instead of it original purpose which is charity.

The store house is an arm of God's house and it is to provide for the house of God. That is what God said below. But you are saying the store house is just a store house that has nothing to do with the house of God.

Malachi 3:10 King James Version (KJV)
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

shadeyinka:

alBHAGDADI,
I do respect you for your insights on NL. Let's say here we differ.

Pastors as far as I am concerned are just one group of people called by God amongst

Apostles
Prophets
Teachers
Evangelists
Pastor

The calling of a Pastor needn't be full-time. A pastor is a person specially gifted by the Holy Spirit to care, tend and heal members of the body of Christ.

A pastor could be a Teacher in a secondary school but because of his gift, he is used of God in doing the work of Pastor to students. It is not compulsory that a Christian called by God oversee a ministry or physical church.

If Pastors are the Aarons, what are the Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists and Teachers.

Most of those laymen who teach in your Bible studies and Sunday school in church have the gift/calling of a Teacher. How about laymen who are evangelists in your church (are they not called and entitled to the tithes?)

Eph 4:11-13:
"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:"
.

First understand the difference between the different offices, or else you will lump them as one.

Apostles are usually those whom were chosen by Jesus. Apostle Paul was also chosen by Jesus. However, not a the apostles became pastors. Paul was never a pastor but we can say he was a prophet which is another word for preacher. He was also a teacher. His main duty was evangelism.

Now, Peter, James, John etc were pastors or Bishops. They pastored churches, which Paul didn't because he was an evangelist. That's why he didn't take tithe.

The Pastors were shepherds over actual churches and we're ordained. But you are mistaking the role of a teacher to mean a pastor. A Sunday school teacher is not a pastor but under a pastor. Just cos he teaches people doesn't make him a pastor. Same thing with a prophet who can't be called a pastor cos he's just a preacher. But a pastor can call himself a prophet cos he's a preacher. He can call himself an evangelist because he evangelizes.

The pastor oversees a congregation like the priest of old, but others only do to a subset of it. That's why it is not anyhow person that can cause himself a pastor. Some call me a pastor here but I stop them because I'm not

sshyne:


Its sure you have being sleeping with your mom because you keep making the same statement. You are the most confused idiot I have ever seen and everyone can see that. You are just contradicting yourself and it shows how stupid you are. I'm sure you are married with kids, it's people like you that your wife seek real men to sleep with. I'm sure you definitely don't know that. You think you can run a family with this your dumbness?

I will say this again, you are a thief and that curse will definitely be on your children. The gospel of Christ is not profitable that's why you all follow the law. Even the jews don't pay tithe anymore.

IT'S OBVIOUS YOUR GOD IS YOUR BELLY

Go and work make hunger no finish your family.
THIEF , BARAWO

This one couldn't counter my points, so he resorted to tantrums?

Onyxqueen:


You can infer from that instance that

1. Jesus had NEED for money
2. Jesus did not direct his disciples/followers to give to him without directing them on where to get from
3. Jesus did not direct his disciples/followers to take money off other people by telling them they are thieves if they don't give to God their tithe

I want to ask my friend, our pastors and followers of Christ, when they are in NEED of funds, do these inferences apply to them? Bless you!

People gave to Jesus, not only that fish.

Luke 8:3
And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

Jesus called people who don't pay tithe thieves. Or who do you think was talking in Malachai 3?

shadeyinka:
Why is it that tithes proponents don't teach
Deut 12:21:
"If the place which the LORD thy God hath chosen to put his name there be too far from thee, then thou shalt kill of thy herd and of thy flock, which the LORD hath given thee, as I have commanded thee, and thou shalt eat in thy gates whatsoever thy soul lusteth after."

Choir members should be partakers of tithes but tell me one church that take care of choir members from tithe money!


Usually, I don't argue on this kind of doctrinal issue and the only thing that brought me in was someone equating Pastors to Levites. That is completely wrong.

Secondly, tithes were the inheritance of Levites because they were not given any other inheritance among the children of Israel. The other category of the beneficiaries of tithes are the widow's, orphans etc. Checking at the way all our churches spend the tithes (my denomination inclusive), tithes isn't used exclusively for this purpose. I think the primary beneficiaries (the pastors) should totally enforce the use.

Third, there are three kinds of laws in the old testament
1. The moral laws
2. The ceremonial/religious laws
3. The cleanliness laws

The moral laws lead to sin, iniquity or transgression when broken whether then or now. The other two kind of laws may be excused ONLY in the new testament because we are not under the law.

Under what class does the tithe law fall in.

My Final Stance:
It is very valid for a Christian to pay tithes religiously as an act of worship and appreciation to God
BUT
He who doesn't has not committed a sin and it isn't a requirement for salvation nor being right with God.

The more weightier matters of the Faith include
1. Love for God and fellow human being
2. Building up the Believers with our spiritual gifts and talents.
3. Winning souls for God in Evangelism.
And of the Law:
1.Fairness in Judgement
2. Mercy and Forgiveness to our offender
3. Faith to God and His word

But who cares about these as long as money is coming into the treasury!

I don't go about asking how churches spend tithe money, so I can't mention any church that pays choirsters.

No one is equating pastors with Levites. Pastors are greater than Levites. Pastors are in the same league with Aaron the Priest who was ordained by God to eat from the tithe.

And don't feed me that crap of "we are priesthood". How many of those so-called priesthood are full-time priests? How many of them work in the house of God? How many of them go soulwinning? They do nothing but fold their arms and open their dirty mouth to claim priesthood.

Stop acting like the tithe was solely for the Levites. Before the Levi the grandfather of the Levites was born, the tithe was for the priest Melchizedec. Levites came along and a portion was given to them.

Onyxqueen:


A classic example was when Jesus asked his disciples to go fishing and guess what, they found money inside the mouth of the fish that they caught!

Now, let me play the game you anti-tithers love to play. The Bible gave that record only once. Where does it say that was how Jesus was always getting his money?

sshyne:


You see how dumb you sound? Read what you wrote and tell me if you make any sense. Even my baby sister thinks better than this.

You are contradicting yourself, since you know the law as being discarded then why are you still paying and collecting tithe or is tithing not of law? Read my post again. If you don't observe all the law you are cursed. But you thieves decided to pick the one that suites your evil and worldly desire and leave the other ones.

You are all bunch of thieves

Stop being a blind bat.

The law is not to be depended on for salvation. What we are depending on now is Jesus because we couldn't keep the whole law perfectly. If you decided to keep the law towards salvation, then ensure you keep the whole law. Ensure you never break a single one of it. If you pass all but break one, you will be guilty of even the ones you passed. That's why Paul said such a person is cursed for depending on the law for his salvation. So he days we should depend on Jesus for salvation. Does that mean I can now go about killing people and even becoming homosexual against the law? No, because if I do God will punish me. That's shows that the law is still effective in that regard but not towards salvation. Depending on it for salvation places you under curse because you will always fail.

Do you now understand? But yo you, you thought Paul meant the law has been discarded. If so, kindly break the below law by having g hot sex with your mother tonight and see if the society and God won't punish you


Leviticus 18:6
None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the LORD.

nwanyionitsha:
How com the present day Jews and Israelites don't pay tithe?
How come Jesus and the apostles never paid tithe?

Do the present Jews follow God or Jesus? No.

How come Jesus and the apostles didn't brush their teeth?

sykeng:

Some of his disciples had jobs, some were fisher men, tent makers, even Judas parents were rich and there is a part in the bible Jesus sent out the apostles to preach and He instructed to take any gift given to them that is a sign of acceptance. it was never as tithe but as gifts if Jesus and His disciples collected tithe it would have been on record.

Only Paul was a tentmaker. The rest abandoned fishing to become fishers of men. Paul depended on tent making to feed himself because he never pastored any church. He wasn't a pastor but an evangelist. Same Paul stated that pastors or Bishops have the right to eat your carnal things just as the priests in the temple of old eat out of the things offered in the temple.

Are you saying because the Bible doesn't state that the apostles brushed their teeth, it means they didn't? Since that's your belief, make sure you don't brush your teeth henceforth.

ebukason3:

Does it mean that strong drink is no longer a sin ? as contain in the scriptures you quoted.


But let me ask.
Are we still under the law?
Is it only the temple that the lord recommend us to bring the tithe?
How sure are we the churches we have today are God's temple?
Which order of priesthood (levitical/Melchizedek) did the Lord recommend to receive tithe?

The strong drink is not for your own consumption. It is for a drink offering onto God.

Numbers 28:7-8
'Then the drink offering with it shall be a fourth of a hin for each lamb, in the holy place you shall pour out a drink offering of strong drink to the LORD. 'The other lamb you shall offer at twilight; as the grain offering of the morning and as its drink offering, you shall offer it, an offering by fire, a soothing aroma to the LORD.


We are still under the law but not in terms of salvation. If you say we are no more under the law, doesn't that mean can have sex with our mother and daughter as against the law below?

Leviticus 18:6
None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the LORD.

The temple is the only place to take your tithe to.

Ceoking6:
Matthew 23:23

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted "the weightier matters of the law, judgement, mercy, and faith" these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

So the only time Christ talked about tithe wasn't in awe as you put it, he expressed disgust on how the Pharisees hypocrites are cherry picking the law that suits them while ignoring "the weightier matters of the law, judgement, mercy, and faith" that was more important.


Doesn't this even sound like him talking to our modern day pastors that cherry pick laws that suit them while leaving vital holiness issues?

Mind you Christ didn't dispute tithing for the Jews which he meet but he didn't fail to point the hypocrisy in it.

He was sent to change these Mosaic laws so he simply had to die first to render them mere Jewish ceremonies not binding ordinances.

He expressed disgust at it and didn't say don't do it only because the solution hadn't been delivered yet to the Jews themselves.



In all these no talk of gentiles tithing was even mentioned not when Christ critised it let alone when he became the new testament

Did Jesus condemn tithing? No. He had every opportunity to state that tithing would no longer be practiced, but he didn't. Instead he upheld it.

But you are here saying he was only talking to the Jews under the law, and that the moment he died and ressurected, the law became abolished or stopped. According to you, can sleep with your mother since the below law has been abolished.

Leviticus 18:6
None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the LORD.


Next time, don't say jargons.

Ceoking6:
Their is no relevant documentary of Jesus life that wasnt recorded in the bible.

It was for a reason, from the event in his birth, to going to temple to study as a child, to baptism, to paying tax, to praying, to going to the synagogue to read the Torah as the fulfiller of scriptures etc.

He did everything and they were majorly recorded just to show God becoming man and fulfilling the relevant order of life and spirit

Christ didn't question the tither then because it was ideally the thither obligation to God as a Jew not for "gentile" and he hadn't not died to reconcile the sacrificial law and priestly intersession

Please be guarded that it is an everlasting covenant only for Jews to the levite even after new testament.

The only difference for Jews today is the sacrificial burnt offering is now a mere ceremonial stuff for them cos of Christ.

Their salvation doesn't come from it, so not a do or die issue for Jews again


But Gentiles have no need for it prior to Christ coming or even now

You said every relevant thing about Jesus are what were documented. That means if it was no longer for tithe to be paid, it would have been documented showing him kicking against it. But since tithe was to be continued, Mathew 23:23 shows him approving it.