ireneidiva:

When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
John 8:10 KJV
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
John 8:11 KJV.
If it were not possible to abstain from sin, would Jesus have told her to go and sin no more?

If it were possible for mankind to abstain totally from sin, would they have been any need for Jesus to come?

akinade28:
No, he was still an apostle, a minister of the gospel and his Job was tent making.

Apostle is different from a pastor. While an Apostle can be a pastor e.g Peter, a Pastor can't be called an Apostle.

Paul was an Apostle but didn't pastor a church. It is the church that supplies the needs of a pastor. Since Paul didn't pastor any Church, he had to sort out his own needs. Even at that, he still had the power to be catered for by believers, but he chose not to.

chigbo25:


I think you are the one to calm down and learn. U are the one with pride if u check well. Pride that u are forever saved and have nothing to contribute to ur salvation.

We do nothing to earn salvation because it is a gift from God. Or do you pay when someone gives you a GIFT?

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Harshirama:


Lol, Judas wasn't born again, none of the apostles were till after Jesus died

Don't waste your time on that guy. He's an agent here to tarnish this thread and cast doubt in people's mind there making them reject this message.

Imagine him saying Judas was saved. Same Judas Jesus called a devil.

John 6:70-71 (KJV)
70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.


The guy lacks understanding of the scriptures, yet he believes he knows

Harshirama:
Maybe if you read the Bible more carefully, you'll see the many places eternal salvation was mentioned.

“I tell you the solemn truth, the one who hears my message and believes the one who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, but has crossed over from death to life.
John 5:24
Note how he said "has crossed over" not "will cross over"
Now for christians who walk in sin, they'll be judged in the flesh but their spirit will be saved. The only sin that'll lead to eternal destruction is the sin of unbelief in the finished works of Christ.

The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
John 3:18

What you typed up there is the good news which Satan and his agents are trying to blind people from coming across

akinade28:
Paul you quote said this when he leaving a particular church to move to another location.
Acts 20:33-35 New International Version (NIV)

33 I have not coveted anyone’s silver or gold or clothing. 34 You yourselves know that these hands of mine have supplied my own needs and the needs of my companions. 35 In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’ ”

Paul was never a pastor of any church. He was an evangelist who moved about.

Magnoliaa:
alBHAGDADI, what about Hebrews 10:26-27 and 6:4-6?

And is it possible for one who've committed the unpardonable sin against the Holy Spirit (what does this mean exactly?) as an unbeliever (e.g an atheist, in ignorance) to turn back and discover Christ?

Can a Christian (a saved one) commit such?

Hebrews 10:26-27 (KJV)
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

As seen above, nowhere does it say if we sin willfully after BEING SAVED. It says after receiving the knowledge of the truth i.e after being preached the gospel of salvation and you fully understood it but rejected it. Such person becomes a reprobate and doomed for life because he rejected what he fully understood.

The passage is not talking about a saved person. Because a saved person can seek forgiveness from God and be forgiven. He has an advocate in Jesus

1 John 2:1 (KJV)
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


Now, the second passage you cited is saying the same thing as the first. Let's see.


Hebrews 6:4-6 King James Version (KJV)
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

It is talking about those who have fully grasp the good news but reject it. That's why the passage used the word taste. Taste doesn't mean received. They only tasted the gift, saw how good it is but rejected it.

akinade28:
brother you also didn't mention verse 15 of the scripture you quoted.
1 Corinthians 9:13-16 King James Version (KJV)

13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.
Paul said he didn't use any of his right nor did he make demands that they should be done.
Let's learn to say the whole truth

Don't add your own input. Paul never said he didn't write for such to be done. He only said he didn't wrote for them to be done unto him. In other words, he did t condemn it being done to others. It was his choice not to accept such.

Nigeriahomebiz:


For the part bolded read it again. So in this case the pastor can slaughter or sell his church members to make money? Does this example make sense

Did you go to school at all?


Your mumu never do

Angelfrost:


Thanks for your mature response sir...

At the bold part of your comment, if it truly came down to choice, then why would some individuals insist on full-time ministry even in the face of or midst of a congregation facing individual and collective hardships... This is the bone of contention.

If a pastor decides on full-time ministry, then he has to manage whatever is offered by his church members through tithe and offering, no matter how small the congregation is.

If he feels the amount is too small, then he can go do some side hustles. But nothing must hinder the work of God. If the side hustle is hindering God's work, he is to abandon it. God who feeds the birds with ensure the meagre money he gets from church is enough.

pressplay411:


This is a timely post. Thanks for sharing.
I will like your insight on these verses, particularly the last verse.

Galatians 5:16-22
I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Do you know why you have a problem? You skipped the previous verses above and jumped to the last verse. If you had paid attention to the first verses, you would have gotten your answer.

What Spirit did Paul say we should walk in? It is the spirit of God given to God's children - the Holy Spirit. Paul is saying we should let the spirit guide us and show us how to live. And the Holy Spirit will simply do that. But unsaved people who don't have the spirit are always walking in the flesh. We have the flesh and the spirit. Both are working against each other. Paul says we should walk on the spirit and not the flesh. We can do so because we have the spirit, which is why we are not condemned.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Also, it is God who put the spirit inside of you to enable you live right. It is not your own ability.

Philippians 2:13 (KJV)
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

luvtoyota:


Once saved , always saved . How can an eternal God give man a temporary salvation ?

I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me, for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else. No one can snatch them from the Father’s hand. Once again the people picked up stones to kill him.
John 10:28‭-‬29‭, ‬31 NLT


Salvation is of the Lord . Salvation of God is forever, without repentance . Once saved always saved OSAS

HEBREWS 7:23-25

SIN CAN NEVER TAKE A MAN TO HELL ,. WHAT TAKES A MAN TO HELL IS REJECTION OF THE FINISHED WORKS OF CHRIST .

SHALL WE CONTINUE IN SIN SO THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND? GOD FORBID . WE ARE DEAD TO SIN ALREADY.

God bless you

Infomaz:
Matthew 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Philippians 2:12

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

There's nothing like "Once saved always saved" I know of some friends hiding under this satanic teaching and wallowing in sin, while deceiving themselves that they're under grace...whereas, they're under disgrace.

This is how Satan uses scriptures to deceived the unsaved. Look at how you quoted those verses out of context to kick against Once Saved Always Saved doctrine.

The passages in Mathew 24 and Mark 13 are not speaking about the same subject and it is the end times tribulations.

Ask yourself: What is it that people are to endure before they will be saved? They key is in verse 9


Matthew 24:9 (KJV)
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

The Bible went on to state that unless the days during which the killings and persecutions are shortened, no flesh will be saved.

Matthew 24:22 (KJV)
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Did you take note of the word flesh above? That's what needs to endure to be saved. The flesh needs to endure the persecutions till Jesus Christ will come in the end time and save the recipient through rapture. But you have mistaken it to mean if we don't endure (what exactly?) we won't be saved.

Angelfrost:


Was the revered apostle referring strictly and solely to pastors??! Why then do we have designations like "Full time Pastors" and "Part-time Pastors", what scriptural backing brings about such??!... What about other ministers of the Gospel like instrumentalists, who remunerates them??!

People can chose to be part-time or full-time pastors. No scripture warns against such.

Instrumentalists are shepherds, hence the reason they are not entitled to the same status as Pastors.

xpool:

Point of order! Living of the things of the temple is different from feeding from the temple.
You talk about Peter as if you knew him. Did Peter marry?
Who was his wife if yes?
How many children did peter have?
Stop formulating what you don't know, if you so love Peter, why not follow his foot steps and stick to the only one Church he helped form?
The problem with pastors is inadequate education in theology.

That aside, life Before and after the BC, and before and after the AD and now are not same.
Our ways of life have changed.
The time you waste preaching about tithe should be used to preach against social vices like LGTB,,and indiscriminate proliferation of Churches.
Tithe is a dead end, it is going to die a natural death, because it was for the Levite's and the needy, not pastors.
Preach against sins, stop wasting time on irrelevant essays about Greedy pastors.

Peter had a wife as confirmed by Apostle Paul.


1 Corinthians 9:5
Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

Moreover, part of the requirement of being a Bishop is to be married with one wife. Peter wouldn't have been a Bishop if he wasn't married.

1 Timothy 3:2(KJV)
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;


You go about saying pastors lack adequate theology, yet you ask of Peter had a wife?

Mftivi:

Surely I engaged in a wayward life and did I suffer ? I fucking did. But it was only for him to call me back to him, I didn't understand this I didn't understand his salvation and love was afraid to call him father but one evening he said to my hearing are you going to keep struggling or will you let me. I went into my room in tears took my Bible and he took me to Isaiah where he told me he had missed me and was looking out for me. Says he wants me back and wants to bless me and that word of God brought me back. I got the strength to go back to serving God! He never condemned me, all he ministered to me was his love. I still am not perfect but now I recognize his love and sacrifice and I aim to live a life that will appreciate such sacrifice.
I continued to study the work of salvation and the holyspirit taught me with the Thief on the cross who went to heaven not by confessing his sin but by simply believing on Jesus as the son of God and his ability to save him. That was when John 3:16 was truly revealed to me! I began to see Salvation passages in my dream like literally dreaming the Bible happening like an event. I once dreamt about a criminal that was to be sentenced and I was on the side hoping there was hope for him suddenly a man appeared and said I will be his advocate and he went there and set him free and I woke up. Now I have always been charged to share this Good news to others the way God have taught me.

God bless you

oldtruth:


Jesus was given money by the sheep? Are you in your right senses?

Luke 8:3
And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.


Mark 15:41
(Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.

izzou:


You're defending your hungry pastor

The pastor in my zonal quarters works. He pays his tithes, offerings and any contribution for the propagation of the gospel. He takes care of his family also. And he makes enough time for his duties in church

He leads by example.Tell your pastor to learn from mine.

Stop being lazy and work. You won't die if you don't live off people's proceeds

Your pastor works?

No wonder you lack the knowledge of the Bible. The time he's supposed to dedicate to studying so as to feed you the word of God, he's using it to hustle.

izzou:


Of course

And is there any part where Jesus said the pastor, or Peter should live off it?

Paul survived with making tents. Why was he shortchanged then? Or maybe Paul wasnt aware of this part of the gospel

Just keep shut.

Paul was aware that he had the right to do what other disciples were doing which is to live of the gospel. He only chose not to, not that it was bad. As a matter of fact, he endorsed it. He said he also had the power not to do any work like the other apostles.


1 Corinthians 9 (KJV)
1 Am I am not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.
3 Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,
Have we not power to eat and to drink?
4 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
5 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?

izzou:


Why not read from verse 1, you lying coward?

Jesus was with his disciples, but they ministered unto HIM out of their substance. What part says they ministered to the twelve? The women were healed and showed appreciation to Jesus... Just Jesus

I know you're a pastor, who sleeps at home and wait for offerings on Sunday. Your judgement will be worse than that of Judas

Repent, work, and help the poor ones in your congregation

I just showed you were Paul stated that the disciples can live of the gospel.

You also saw where Jesus was given money by the sheep. So what's your stupid point?

I'm not a pastor. I only defend the word of God.

mamatwiny:


The disciples had a purse that was managed by Judas. How did they get money in the purse? I believe ppl supported the gospel financially

Yes, people did support the gospel financially.


Luke 8:3
And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.


Mark 15:41
(Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.

1StopRudeness:


albhagdadi.....please can u tell what u hope to accomplish by this “once saved ever saved doctrine”....
I believe that every line of exhortation has an aim u want the hearer of the word to get...I don’t really get urs...thank God u are now adding that it isn’t a license to sin.

because when people counter u with so many scriptures like: Matt 7v21-23“ get away from me u workers of iniquity, not every one that call me lord will enter Gods kingdom..U somehow counter every scripture....
Even revelations 3v15-16 clearly said by Jesus “ I will spill u out of me for being lukewarm” meaning it is possible to be in Christ and no later not be....
So, again my question is, when u started it...what was ur original aim for we ur readers or hearers on nairaland...

Firstly, when Jesus said he would "spew you out", he wasn't talking to an individual which is why the verse is not applicable to an individual. He was talking to a church which was one of the 7 churches in Asia. He said he would spew the church out for being lukewarm. Nowhere does that equate to sending the church to hell fire neither was it directed at an individual. So this can't be used to court term Once Saved Always Saved doctrine.

Now, my main aim of this thread is to correct people who have the notion that Once Saved Always Saved doctrine encourages sin. It doesn't because if you check out the punishment God visits disobedient children with, any sane person would know to avoid sin.

izzou:


Aaron was a Levite, and like I said, the people as at that time, worshipped in the temple,so there were Levites then.

Again you dodged my question. When Jesus was alive, how were the disciples able to feed, since they were not working? These men had families, so how were they caring for them? Remember, they were not working in the temple

You don't know anything. You will quote Corinthians again and type Aaron. There is nowhere Jesus encourage shepherds to live on the proceeds of their members.

Jesus and his disciples took money from the sheep following them. They lived of the gospel as Paul stated in Corinthians which you hate to admit. Read below to see how some women helped Jesus with their substance.

Luke 8:3
And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

Mark 15:41
(Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.


How are the above verses different from what Paul said Pastors are ordained to do? Jesus did it and he ordained his pastors to do the same as seen below.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

tojahh:



Hahaha. I'm sorry sir but you're a joke! So pastors shouldn't work and earn a living?

Okay..
Okay...
Okay...
Who now pays the choir since they are in Gods vineyard? Hahahaha. So pastors are in for the benefits that comes from the church instead of shepherding the whole flock under their care?

Aaron was ordained by God, as a levite to man the temple and teach the word of God to the congregation and take from the offering because he is a LEVITE like Miriam and Ezekiel and their descendants. Abeg are today's pastors LEVITES? why are they keen on chopping our money?

Maybe all of us should be Pastors then.

Your mumu never do

Choirs are not ordained as shepherd, that's why they don't get the same kind of treatment pastors get. I'm glad you recognize that pastors are shepherds, but words are synonyms.

A shepherd spends his time caring for the sheep, feeding them and ensuring they are safe. What does he get on return to feed himself? Grass? No, it's the same sheep that feed him. He can sell some for money and slaughter some for his meat.

Pastors teach, pray and guide the sheep in the church. What do they get in return? Material things from the sheep which includes money.

1 Corinthians 9:11 (KJV)
If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?


Are you foolish? What is Aaron doing in the temple as a Levites that Pastors are not doing in the Church as non-levites? The below verse sees Paul saying both are entitled to the same treatment. Jesus Christ himself ordained pastors to do the same as Aaron the Levite

1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

jesusjnr:
Lol!

That's what happens when someone has lost the plot to sell a lie.

#Tantrums!

If you can't deduce the Truth of those two lines from the text I quoted of Jesus sayings, your Truth-blindness is to blame not me.

I don't need to deduce any truth because they are not founded in the Bible. The Bible doesn't support your points that's why you can't find verses to back them up with. So definitely, they are lies.

izzou:



It's funny that a whole you, who is against prosperity gospel, is encouraging someone to sleep and wake up at home, hoping people who earn less than $100 come and pay him to eat, in the name of "shepherd". You're pathetic

So, if Peter and the other disciples were not working, how were they taking care of their family? There was no gathering then, people were still worshipping in the temple so how were they feeding from the church? Or was Christ paying them salaries?

There are pastors, choir leaders, and so many workers in the church. It takes more than a pastor to get a church service ready. So who pays the others?

Every pastor should work, or have a source of income. If you want to preach about hardworking, you should be practicing it.

You don't have the spirit to understand. You never have, and you never will

Are you a blind bat? I'm I the one encouraging what I said or it is Paul and Apostle of Jesus Christ that said so? Paul said pastors are to live of the gospel. You are here saying otherwise.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.


How did Aaron take care of his family? He did with what he got from what was offered in the temple. That's exactly how Peter and the Apostles were able to care for their family.

Mind you, there was a gathering called Church because the first time Peter preached, they were about a hundred. After he finished preaching, 3000 souls got added to the fold.

I think I have to stop entertaining your arrogant ignorance.

jesusjnr:
Any one who continues in iniquity cannot be saved!

No person who is saved continues in iniquity!

There is just one Savior not two, and this is according to His teachings which I already showed in my comments you quoted.

So any suggestion of a saved who continues in his iniquity and doesn't repent of it is from the hell and only leads people there.

Here it is again just in case you missed it the first time.

Matthew 13:41-42 (KJV)

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

So if all things which offend and work iniquity are uprooted and cast into the lake of fire, how could they yet be saved?

Except the saved can still be cast into the lake of fire then you may have a point.

Just shut up and stop repeating point already trashed points.

You first and second lines, can you show us scriptures to back them up? No you can't. All you are doing is coughing out your own ideas.

Go and sleep.

SirToothBrush:
Hi, alBHA.GDADI, what was Christ's profession?

He was a carpenter, and that same carpenter ordained his followers to live of the gospel.


1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

tojahh:


Oga.. With this plenty epistles you successfully wrote a bastardized nonsense! Where did Paul asked Pastors to feed from the church sir?

Day go break una go carry English and shallow logic dey sabotage Christianity. If a pastor asked to be paid monthly stipend yes I would pay after all candidates must have avail themselves for interview like it is done on a secular front.

Oh this is why I love Jehovah's Witnesses. Wetin concern them and offering or tithes or seed sowing?

You guys are so dumb, stupid and arrogant at it. Look at the silly question you are asking. Yet, one would think you are versed in the Bible before you made the above statement.

You want to know where Paul stated that Pastors are to feed of the church? Look below and cure your ignorance.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.


Aaron the High Priest was ordained by God to take his portion from every tithe and offering offered to the temple of God. Paul said above that same thing has been ordained by Jesus for such to be done in his Church.

Mind you, the Jehovah's False Witnesses don't follow the commandments of God, that's why wetin concern them with tithe and offering.

izzou:


Can you show me where the Bible talked about Peter's life, and him feeding from the church?

You type so well and lengthy, yet you're either making little sense or you're misleading people.
How can you say a pastor is supposed to feed from the Church

In Acts, the people brought as they had and the items were distributed to the poor, and the Bible mentioned that "THEY LACKED NOTHING".

Every pastor should work and lead by example. He should be a servant to his congregation, and not the other way round. Stop encouraging laziness in the church

You are of the kind I spoke of - always rushing to slam pastors without having full knowledge of the Bible.

I showed you were Jesus was angry at Peter for going back to his profession of fishing, yet you ask this question about Peter? Peter was a Bishop of a Church and had every right to feed of the Church as stated by Paul who revealed that such was also the case in the temple.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Just shut up and quit acting like you know. Who is encouraging laziness in the Church if not you? Your kind are the type that want to see the house of God crumble with no shepherd. You want the pastor to be somewhere else hustling while the sheep starve of the word of God.

God ordained his priests in the Old Testament to feed of the temple. Apostle Paul also confirmed that same thing applies today in the church. But you are here puffed up with your own understanding.

Now, to answer your question about Peter. Nowhere is it written that he engaged in any job after Jesus stopped him from his fishing activities. Or can you point out one job Peter did since then? No you can't. But it is written that Peter preached the gospel and pastored a church. So, clearly, Peter didn't do any job asides being a pastor, or a Fisher of men which Jesus called him to do.

Opiosko:



*If you don't want to go to Church, don't!*
*If you don't want to tithe, don't!*
*If you don't want to seek counsel, don't!*
*If you don't believe in MIRACLES, fine* one thing is certain, if you don't work with or for God you will surely work with or for Satan..

Nice

Today, many fools run their mouth at pastors and act as if they know the Bible in and out. Whereas, their rudeness is only inspired by an anti-church article they read online.

Imagine people saying pastors ought to go get a job and stop depending on Church money. They foolishly use Apostle Paul as an example, saying he made his income from tent making.

Was Paul a pastor? Did he pastor any Church? No, he didn't because he was an evangelist moving about preaching the gospel. Peter, James, John etc were pastors of churches. Can anyone show me where they worked? You can't find such.

Have you ever wondered why Peter was silent after Jesus saw him fishing after his resurrection in John 21? He knew he had messed up. When Peter the fisherman was called by Jesus, what did Jesus say? He said he was going make him a Fisher of men. Peter dropped his net and followed Jesus. So, Jesus was disappointed to see him return to fishing again. "Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these?"

A pastor is to feed from the Church, a thing apostle Paul also approved. If a pastor gets a 9-5 job, he won't be able to have time to study the word of God which he will use to feed his flock. If the church has a serious programme coming up, he might miss it if his company decide to send him on an assignment to another city. Imagine his church is on the mainland and he works at Lekki, think of the traffic he would be facing before he gets to church for a midweek service.

Dtruthspeaker:
Like the family taken up by God, that is House Israel, God saved them repeatedly but yet again, they turned away from Him and always return to their sinful ways.

What happened to them shall surely and verily happen to us all when we are saved and yet we return again to our sins.

Those children of Israel believed God but were always going back to their sins. That's why God use to punish them e.g kill them, send them into captivity etc. But where is it recorded that God sent them to hell fire?


Nowhere.